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"I 've asked this question and many others you may see me post , in a number of other forums . I 've recieved similar arguments , about a country not deciding to invade us . No Particular country was ever mentioned , However , if possible , I would like to belatedly clarify that I am asking this question in the context of the time we are now living in , as opposed to any other time . ( I 'm not sure if I made that at all clear in the post that started the thread . ) ( I take it that this question has been asked before in this forum , rather recently , I assume ? ? ? If not in an initial thread post , then perhaps within another thread . )"
"This topic was discussed in another thread . Kelvin said that- `` If it were not the private ownership of guns in 1941 , you would be speaking Japanese if you live on the Westcoast , German if you live on the Eastcoast. `` Urban Legend . It should be illegal for women to have sex ."
AGREE
"asked this question and many others you may see me"
"This topic was discussed in another If it were not the private ownership of guns ,"
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"Furthmore - whether an individual deserves rights should NEVER be a voting matter . What an utterly disgusting concept ."
"Any form of legislation is a voting matter . That 's the way our system works ."
DISAGREE
"whether an individual deserves rights should NEVER be a voting matter ."
"Any form of legislation is a voting matter"
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"Furthmore - whether an individual deserves rights should NEVER be a voting matter . What an utterly disgusting concept ."
"Any form of legislation is a voting matter . That 's the way our system works ."
DISAGREE
"rights should NEVER be a voting matter ."
"form of legislation is a voting matter ."
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"Furthmore - whether an individual deserves rights should NEVER be a voting matter . What an utterly disgusting concept ."
"Any form of legislation is a voting matter . That 's the way our system works ."
DISAGREE
"whether an individual deserves rights should NEVER be a voting matter . What an utterly disgusting concept ."
"Any form of legislation is a voting matter . That 's the way our system works ."
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"Furthmore - whether an individual deserves rights should NEVER be a voting matter . What an utterly disgusting concept ."
"Any form of legislation is a voting matter . That 's the way our system works ."
DISAGREE
"whether an individual deserves rights should NEVER be a voting matter . What an utterly disgusting concept"
"Any form of legislation is a voting matter . That 's the way our system works ."
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"The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer . The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old , which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity . This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock , which would provide a minimum age for the fossil ."
"EvC Forum : Evolution & amp ; Other Sciences 3 ) Geology , specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil . Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there . One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms . Now , creationists are going to want to try to change the subject away from providing a product . That just shows they have nothing ."
AGREE
"This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock , which would provide a minimum age for the fossil ."
"Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there ."
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"The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer . The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old , which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity . This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock , which would provide a minimum age for the fossil ."
"EvC Forum : Evolution & amp ; Other Sciences 3 ) Geology , specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil . Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there . One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms . Now , creationists are going to want to try to change the subject away from providing a product . That just shows they have nothing ."
AGREE
"The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old , which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity ."
"One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms . Now , creationists are going to want to try to change the subject away from providing a product ."
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"The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer . The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old , which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity . This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock , which would provide a minimum age for the fossil ."
"EvC Forum : Evolution & amp ; Other Sciences 3 ) Geology , specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil . Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there . One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms . Now , creationists are going to want to try to change the subject away from providing a product . That just shows they have nothing ."
AGREE
"The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer ."
"Now , creationists are going to want to try to change the subject away from providing a product . That just shows they have nothing ."
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"The link between the current understanding of subsurface hydrology and evolution concerns the age of the water at a given point in a confined aquifer . The water in some confined aquifers is in the order of millions of years old , which is known due to the fact that gravity can only pull so much water from the exposed part of the formation for a given length through rocks of varying transmissivity . This means that technically any fossils in such a rock with water at a given age must be older than the water in the rock , which would provide a minimum age for the fossil ."
"EvC Forum : Evolution & amp ; Other Sciences 3 ) Geology , specifically regarding the location of where the algae and other plant life in the past died and was compressed into oil . Big Fossil geologists consult evolutionary biologists and archelogists for where large concentrations of these organisms were and start looking there . One of the key things they look for in rock samples is the presence of fossils of these diatoms . Now , creationists are going to want to try to change the subject away from providing a product . That just shows they have nothing ."
AGREE
"and"
"in rock fossils a"
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"Yes , I do ."
"Well then present it and stop being stupid ."
DISAGREE
"Yes , I do ."
"present it and stop being stupid ."
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"Yes , I do ."
"Well then present it and stop being stupid ."
DISAGREE
"Yes , I do ."
"Well then present it and stop being stupid ."
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"Yes , I do ."
"Well then present it and stop being stupid ."
DISAGREE
"Yes , I do ."
"Well then present it and stop being stupid ."
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"In fact , scholars ( even non-Christian ) have brought back some of the Gospels to less than 7 or 8 years after Christ ."
"I believe the earliest gospel estimation is placed around 50 ad , which is almost 30 years after Jesus died ."
DISAGREE
"In fact , scholars ( even non-Christian ) have brought back some of the Gospels to less than 7 or 8 years after Christ ."
"I believe the earliest gospel estimation is placed around 50 ad , which is almost 30 years after Jesus died ."
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"In fact , scholars ( even non-Christian ) have brought back some of the Gospels to less than 7 or 8 years after Christ ."
"I believe the earliest gospel estimation is placed around 50 ad , which is almost 30 years after Jesus died ."
DISAGREE
"brought back some of the Gospels"
"earliest gospel estimation is placed"
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"In fact , scholars ( even non-Christian ) have brought back some of the Gospels to less than 7 or 8 years after Christ ."
"I believe the earliest gospel estimation is placed around 50 ad , which is almost 30 years after Jesus died ."
DISAGREE
"scholars ( even non-Christian ) have brought back some of the Gospels to less than 7 or 8 years after Christ ."
"the earliest gospel estimation is placed around 50 ad , which is almost 30 years after Jesus died ."
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"Sartre , you know little of history . Until relatively recently within the history of humankind , the Romans adhered to the rule of paterfamilia in which the supreme patriarch of a clan -- oh , how they loved their males , men were next to God in their eyes , a tradition which lives on within the Roman Catholic Church -- ruled on the existence of infants within his clan . If he chose , this next to God male , the infant lived and received shelter and nurturance . If he chose not , the child was abandoned to sate the hunger of wild animals or , perhaps , might be saved by a kindly human wayfarer . In many cases these wayfarers were not so kind and the child may have been severely abused , used as a sexual toy -- hmmm , kind of reminds me of the situation for inner city children in very Roman Catholic Brazil . Interesting ."
"And your little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant because ....... ?"
DISAGREE
"If he chose not , the child was abandoned to sate the hunger of wild animals or , perhaps , might be saved by a kindly human wayfarer ."
"And your little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant because"
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"Sartre , you know little of history . Until relatively recently within the history of humankind , the Romans adhered to the rule of paterfamilia in which the supreme patriarch of a clan -- oh , how they loved their males , men were next to God in their eyes , a tradition which lives on within the Roman Catholic Church -- ruled on the existence of infants within his clan . If he chose , this next to God male , the infant lived and received shelter and nurturance . If he chose not , the child was abandoned to sate the hunger of wild animals or , perhaps , might be saved by a kindly human wayfarer . In many cases these wayfarers were not so kind and the child may have been severely abused , used as a sexual toy -- hmmm , kind of reminds me of the situation for inner city children in very Roman Catholic Brazil . Interesting ."
"And your little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant because ....... ?"
DISAGREE
"Sartre , you know little of history"
"And your little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant because ....... ?"
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"Sartre , you know little of history . Until relatively recently within the history of humankind , the Romans adhered to the rule of paterfamilia in which the supreme patriarch of a clan -- oh , how they loved their males , men were next to God in their eyes , a tradition which lives on within the Roman Catholic Church -- ruled on the existence of infants within his clan . If he chose , this next to God male , the infant lived and received shelter and nurturance . If he chose not , the child was abandoned to sate the hunger of wild animals or , perhaps , might be saved by a kindly human wayfarer . In many cases these wayfarers were not so kind and the child may have been severely abused , used as a sexual toy -- hmmm , kind of reminds me of the situation for inner city children in very Roman Catholic Brazil . Interesting ."
"And your little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant because ....... ?"
DISAGREE
"how they loved their males , men were next to God in their eyes , a tradition which lives on within the Roman Catholic Church -- ruled on the existence of infants within his clan ."
"And your little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant because ....... ?"
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"Sartre , you know little of history . Until relatively recently within the history of humankind , the Romans adhered to the rule of paterfamilia in which the supreme patriarch of a clan -- oh , how they loved their males , men were next to God in their eyes , a tradition which lives on within the Roman Catholic Church -- ruled on the existence of infants within his clan . If he chose , this next to God male , the infant lived and received shelter and nurturance . If he chose not , the child was abandoned to sate the hunger of wild animals or , perhaps , might be saved by a kindly human wayfarer . In many cases these wayfarers were not so kind and the child may have been severely abused , used as a sexual toy -- hmmm , kind of reminds me of the situation for inner city children in very Roman Catholic Brazil . Interesting ."
"And your little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant because ....... ?"
DISAGREE
"Until relatively recently within the history of humankind ,"
"little pre-Christianity Roman history is relevant"
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"`` Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager , Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United ; Olympic cycling hopeful Adrian Hawkins , 22 ; Everton footballing prodigy John Marshall who was just 16 ; and Laura Moss , 13 , a brilliant young international swimmer. ``"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods , which goes AGAINST your original argument ."
DISAGREE
"Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager ,"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods ,"
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"`` Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager , Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United ; Olympic cycling hopeful Adrian Hawkins , 22 ; Everton footballing prodigy John Marshall who was just 16 ; and Laura Moss , 13 , a brilliant young international swimmer. ``"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods , which goes AGAINST your original argument ."
DISAGREE
"Among those who have been killed by the disease"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods ,"
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"`` Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager , Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United ; Olympic cycling hopeful Adrian Hawkins , 22 ; Everton footballing prodigy John Marshall who was just 16 ; and Laura Moss , 13 , a brilliant young international swimmer. ``"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods , which goes AGAINST your original argument ."
DISAGREE
"Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager , Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United ; Olympic cycling hopeful Adrian Hawkins , 22 ; Everton footballing prodigy John Marshall who was just 16 ; and Laura Moss , 13 , a brilliant young international swimmer. ``"
"shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods ,"
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"`` Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager , Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United ; Olympic cycling hopeful Adrian Hawkins , 22 ; Everton footballing prodigy John Marshall who was just 16 ; and Laura Moss , 13 , a brilliant young international swimmer. ``"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods , which goes AGAINST your original argument ."
DISAGREE
"Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager , Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United ; Olympic cycling hopeful Adrian Hawkins , 22 ; Everton footballing prodigy John Marshall who was just 16 ; and Laura Moss , 13 , a brilliant young international"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods ,"
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"`` Among those who have been killed by the disease is the son of one-time Wales football manager , Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United ; Olympic cycling hopeful Adrian Hawkins , 22 ; Everton footballing prodigy John Marshall who was just 16 ; and Laura Moss , 13 , a brilliant young international swimmer. ``"
"This shows that people have heart problems even when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods , which goes AGAINST your original argument ."
DISAGREE
"Terry Yorath , Daniel , who died aged 15 , within months of signing for Leeds United"
"when they 're not obese and do n't consume fatty foods"
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"I 'm not sure I believe that slippery slope . Certainly moral relativism ( sp ? ) is a popular view right now , but I doubt we 'll be doing away with the constitution any time soon . All the hub-bub with abortion is establishing a point at which to entitle rights , not if to give them . I believe birth is a logical place , seeing as how conception is not always known and it 's hard to apply laws retroactivly , especially if the woman did n't know she was pregnant . The citizenship nightmare that will follow , since if it is entitled to constitutional protection then it must be a citizen right ? What happens to the 1/3 of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway ? These questions would be too hard for the law to answer to everyone 's satisfaction , even disregarding the whole woman 's rights issue ( which most of the nation would fight tooth and nail for anyway ) ."
"and what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general . as it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she doesnt want to parent it . however , she has a relatively small window of time to decide , and after that she cant change her option ... or can she ... at some point the mother loses that right , and the child gains the right to live . however , what if the mother decides that she is not ready or equiped to be a parent ( for instance , after the child is born she loses her ability to work , or the father abandons her , or some other similar situation ) . legally , shes unable to do anything since she lost the option to kill the child at that point . morally , the motive would have been the same as if she had decided to abort the child earlier"
DISAGREE
"All the hub-bub with abortion is establishing a point at which to entitle rights , not if to give I believe birth is a logical place , seeing as how conception is not always known and it 's hard to apply laws retroactivly , especially if the woman did n't know she was pregnant ."
"and what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general . as it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she doesnt want to parent it ."
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"I 'm not sure I believe that slippery slope . Certainly moral relativism ( sp ? ) is a popular view right now , but I doubt we 'll be doing away with the constitution any time soon . All the hub-bub with abortion is establishing a point at which to entitle rights , not if to give them . I believe birth is a logical place , seeing as how conception is not always known and it 's hard to apply laws retroactivly , especially if the woman did n't know she was pregnant . The citizenship nightmare that will follow , since if it is entitled to constitutional protection then it must be a citizen right ? What happens to the 1/3 of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway ? These questions would be too hard for the law to answer to everyone 's satisfaction , even disregarding the whole woman 's rights issue ( which most of the nation would fight tooth and nail for anyway ) ."
"and what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general . as it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she doesnt want to parent it . however , she has a relatively small window of time to decide , and after that she cant change her option ... or can she ... at some point the mother loses that right , and the child gains the right to live . however , what if the mother decides that she is not ready or equiped to be a parent ( for instance , after the child is born she loses her ability to work , or the father abandons her , or some other similar situation ) . legally , shes unable to do anything since she lost the option to kill the child at that point . morally , the motive would have been the same as if she had decided to abort the child earlier"
DISAGREE
"I believe birth is a logical place , seeing as how conception is not always"
"legally , shes unable to do anything since she lost the option to kill the child"
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"I 'm not sure I believe that slippery slope . Certainly moral relativism ( sp ? ) is a popular view right now , but I doubt we 'll be doing away with the constitution any time soon . All the hub-bub with abortion is establishing a point at which to entitle rights , not if to give them . I believe birth is a logical place , seeing as how conception is not always known and it 's hard to apply laws retroactivly , especially if the woman did n't know she was pregnant . The citizenship nightmare that will follow , since if it is entitled to constitutional protection then it must be a citizen right ? What happens to the 1/3 of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway ? These questions would be too hard for the law to answer to everyone 's satisfaction , even disregarding the whole woman 's rights issue ( which most of the nation would fight tooth and nail for anyway ) ."
"and what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general . as it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she doesnt want to parent it . however , she has a relatively small window of time to decide , and after that she cant change her option ... or can she ... at some point the mother loses that right , and the child gains the right to live . however , what if the mother decides that she is not ready or equiped to be a parent ( for instance , after the child is born she loses her ability to work , or the father abandons her , or some other similar situation ) . legally , shes unable to do anything since she lost the option to kill the child at that point . morally , the motive would have been the same as if she had decided to abort the child earlier"
DISAGREE
"What happens to the 1/3 of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway ? These questions would be too hard for the law to answer to everyone 's satisfaction , even disregarding the whole woman 's rights issue"
"what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general ."
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"I 'm not sure I believe that slippery slope . Certainly moral relativism ( sp ? ) is a popular view right now , but I doubt we 'll be doing away with the constitution any time soon . All the hub-bub with abortion is establishing a point at which to entitle rights , not if to give them . I believe birth is a logical place , seeing as how conception is not always known and it 's hard to apply laws retroactivly , especially if the woman did n't know she was pregnant . The citizenship nightmare that will follow , since if it is entitled to constitutional protection then it must be a citizen right ? What happens to the 1/3 of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway ? These questions would be too hard for the law to answer to everyone 's satisfaction , even disregarding the whole woman 's rights issue ( which most of the nation would fight tooth and nail for anyway ) ."
"and what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general . as it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she doesnt want to parent it . however , she has a relatively small window of time to decide , and after that she cant change her option ... or can she ... at some point the mother loses that right , and the child gains the right to live . however , what if the mother decides that she is not ready or equiped to be a parent ( for instance , after the child is born she loses her ability to work , or the father abandons her , or some other similar situation ) . legally , shes unable to do anything since she lost the option to kill the child at that point . morally , the motive would have been the same as if she had decided to abort the child earlier"
DISAGREE
"All the hub-bub with abortion is establishing a point at which to entitle rights , not if to give them"
"it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she want to parent it . , she has a relatively small window of time to decide , and after that she cant change her option"
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"I 'm not sure I believe that slippery slope . Certainly moral relativism ( sp ? ) is a popular view right now , but I doubt we 'll be doing away with the constitution any time soon . All the hub-bub with abortion is establishing a point at which to entitle rights , not if to give them . I believe birth is a logical place , seeing as how conception is not always known and it 's hard to apply laws retroactivly , especially if the woman did n't know she was pregnant . The citizenship nightmare that will follow , since if it is entitled to constitutional protection then it must be a citizen right ? What happens to the 1/3 of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway ? These questions would be too hard for the law to answer to everyone 's satisfaction , even disregarding the whole woman 's rights issue ( which most of the nation would fight tooth and nail for anyway ) ."
"and what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general . as it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she doesnt want to parent it . however , she has a relatively small window of time to decide , and after that she cant change her option ... or can she ... at some point the mother loses that right , and the child gains the right to live . however , what if the mother decides that she is not ready or equiped to be a parent ( for instance , after the child is born she loses her ability to work , or the father abandons her , or some other similar situation ) . legally , shes unable to do anything since she lost the option to kill the child at that point . morally , the motive would have been the same as if she had decided to abort the child earlier"
DISAGREE
"The citizenship nightmare that will follow , since if it is entitled to constitutional protection then it must be a citizen right ? What happens to the 1/3 of pregnancies that end in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway ? These questions would be too hard for the law to answer to everyone 's satisfaction ,"
"what about the infant mortalities , child deaths due to accidents , death in general . as it stands , the mother retains the right to terminate the life of her child if she decides she doesnt want to parent it . however , she has a relatively small window of time to decide , and after that she cant change her option"
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"The meticulously preserved , unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Unchanging 66 books ? ? You mean that the 4 books that Martin Luthor rejected is n't a change .. Or the 80 odd books that are considered canon by the Ethopian Orthodox ? ?"
DISAGREE
"The meticulously preserved , unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Unchanging 66 books ? ? You mean that the 4 books that Martin Luthor rejected is n't a change .."
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"The meticulously preserved , unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Unchanging 66 books ? ? You mean that the 4 books that Martin Luthor rejected is n't a change .. Or the 80 odd books that are considered canon by the Ethopian Orthodox ? ?"
DISAGREE
"The meticulously preserved , unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Unchanging 66 books ? ? You mean that the 4 books that Martin Luthor rejected is n't a change .. Or the 80 odd books that are considered canon by the Ethopian Orthodox ? ?"
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"The meticulously preserved , unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Unchanging 66 books ? ? You mean that the 4 books that Martin Luthor rejected is n't a change .. Or the 80 odd books that are considered canon by the Ethopian Orthodox ? ?"
DISAGREE
"unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Or the 80 odd books that are considered canon by the Ethopian Orthodox ? ?"
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"The meticulously preserved , unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Unchanging 66 books ? ? You mean that the 4 books that Martin Luthor rejected is n't a change .. Or the 80 odd books that are considered canon by the Ethopian Orthodox ? ?"
DISAGREE
"The meticulously preserved , unchanging 66 Books of the Bible are n't compelling ?"
"Unchanging 66 books ? ?"
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"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace time ?"
"Actually yes , but not for the purposes of ilegal search or seisure , I have active duty military friends . They drop by all the time . Obviously your great lack of friends makes that idea hard to understand ."
DISAGREE
"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace"
"I have active duty military friends . They drop by all the time"
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"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace time ?"
"Actually yes , but not for the purposes of ilegal search or seisure , I have active duty military friends . They drop by all the time . Obviously your great lack of friends makes that idea hard to understand ."
DISAGREE
"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace time ?"
"I have active duty military friends . They drop by all the time ."
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"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace time ?"
"Actually yes , but not for the purposes of ilegal search or seisure , I have active duty military friends . They drop by all the time . Obviously your great lack of friends makes that idea hard to understand ."
DISAGREE
"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace time ?"
"Actually yes , but not for the purposes of ilegal search or seisure , I have active duty military friends"
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"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace time ?"
"Actually yes , but not for the purposes of ilegal search or seisure , I have active duty military friends . They drop by all the time . Obviously your great lack of friends makes that idea hard to understand ."
DISAGREE
"Have any soldiers dropped by to use your house in peace time ?"
"Actually yes , but not for the purposes of ilegal search or seisure , I have active duty military friends . They drop by all the time ."
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"> > > > > My personal views are that all types of birth control should be freely available to anyone over the age of consent , all should be OTC . I think that we need much better sex-ed in our schools , teaching good safe-sex practices , etc. < < < < I agree with this 100 % , and I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"And who would pick the 'some ' ? Perhaps you also believe they should be placed on Ritilin ... for their own protection ... because their teachers ( without medical training ) diagnose the infamous ADD demon in them . Not to get off topic too far , some teachers evidently have trouble recognizing the difference between students that ca n't seem to pay attention and themselves ( the teachers ) being in dire need of coming across as interesting . What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ? Shall we wait 'til one becomes pregnant ? Shall we offer a survey of sexual activities ? ... to what age group ?"
DISAGREE
"I think that we need much better sex-ed in our schools , teaching good safe-sex practices"
"What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ?"
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"> > > > > My personal views are that all types of birth control should be freely available to anyone over the age of consent , all should be OTC . I think that we need much better sex-ed in our schools , teaching good safe-sex practices , etc. < < < < I agree with this 100 % , and I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"And who would pick the 'some ' ? Perhaps you also believe they should be placed on Ritilin ... for their own protection ... because their teachers ( without medical training ) diagnose the infamous ADD demon in them . Not to get off topic too far , some teachers evidently have trouble recognizing the difference between students that ca n't seem to pay attention and themselves ( the teachers ) being in dire need of coming across as interesting . What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ? Shall we wait 'til one becomes pregnant ? Shall we offer a survey of sexual activities ? ... to what age group ?"
DISAGREE
"I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"And who would pick the 'some ' ?"
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"> > > > > My personal views are that all types of birth control should be freely available to anyone over the age of consent , all should be OTC . I think that we need much better sex-ed in our schools , teaching good safe-sex practices , etc. < < < < I agree with this 100 % , and I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"And who would pick the 'some ' ? Perhaps you also believe they should be placed on Ritilin ... for their own protection ... because their teachers ( without medical training ) diagnose the infamous ADD demon in them . Not to get off topic too far , some teachers evidently have trouble recognizing the difference between students that ca n't seem to pay attention and themselves ( the teachers ) being in dire need of coming across as interesting . What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ? Shall we wait 'til one becomes pregnant ? Shall we offer a survey of sexual activities ? ... to what age group ?"
DISAGREE
"types of birth control should be freely available to anyone over the age of consent , all should be OTC"
"What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ? Shall we wait 'til one becomes pregnant ? Shall we offer a survey of sexual activities ?"
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"> > > > > My personal views are that all types of birth control should be freely available to anyone over the age of consent , all should be OTC . I think that we need much better sex-ed in our schools , teaching good safe-sex practices , etc. < < < < I agree with this 100 % , and I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"And who would pick the 'some ' ? Perhaps you also believe they should be placed on Ritilin ... for their own protection ... because their teachers ( without medical training ) diagnose the infamous ADD demon in them . Not to get off topic too far , some teachers evidently have trouble recognizing the difference between students that ca n't seem to pay attention and themselves ( the teachers ) being in dire need of coming across as interesting . What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ? Shall we wait 'til one becomes pregnant ? Shall we offer a survey of sexual activities ? ... to what age group ?"
DISAGREE
"I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"some teachers evidently have trouble recognizing the difference between students that ca n't seem to pay attention and themselves ( the teachers ) being in dire need of coming across as interesting . What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ?"
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"> > > > > My personal views are that all types of birth control should be freely available to anyone over the age of consent , all should be OTC . I think that we need much better sex-ed in our schools , teaching good safe-sex practices , etc. < < < < I agree with this 100 % , and I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"And who would pick the 'some ' ? Perhaps you also believe they should be placed on Ritilin ... for their own protection ... because their teachers ( without medical training ) diagnose the infamous ADD demon in them . Not to get off topic too far , some teachers evidently have trouble recognizing the difference between students that ca n't seem to pay attention and themselves ( the teachers ) being in dire need of coming across as interesting . What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ? Shall we wait 'til one becomes pregnant ? Shall we offer a survey of sexual activities ? ... to what age group ?"
DISAGREE
"I also believe that some young people should be placed on BC before the age of consent , for their own protectiion ."
"And who would pick the 'some ' ? What makes you think teachers or parents could ever become adept at recognizing who needs to put on birth control ?"
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"Catholics have a different belief . The goal is to always save both mother and child . If the fetus dies during the attempt to save both , then that 's what happens . For instance , with an ectopic pregnancy , the goal is n't to kill he fetus , the goal is to save both mother and fetus ."
"you told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother . your bible states otherwise ."
DISAGREE
"Catholics have a different belief . The goal is to always save both mother and child ."
"told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother . bible states otherwise"
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"Catholics have a different belief . The goal is to always save both mother and child . If the fetus dies during the attempt to save both , then that 's what happens . For instance , with an ectopic pregnancy , the goal is n't to kill he fetus , the goal is to save both mother and fetus ."
"you told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother . your bible states otherwise ."
DISAGREE
"The goal is to always save both mother and child . If the fetus dies during the attempt to save both , then that 's what happens . For instance , with an ectopic pregnancy , the goal is n't to kill he fetus , the goal is to save both mother and fetus ."
"you told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother ."
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"Catholics have a different belief . The goal is to always save both mother and child . If the fetus dies during the attempt to save both , then that 's what happens . For instance , with an ectopic pregnancy , the goal is n't to kill he fetus , the goal is to save both mother and fetus ."
"you told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother . your bible states otherwise ."
DISAGREE
"Catholics have a different belief . The goal is to always save both mother and child . If the fetus dies during the attempt to save both , then that 's what happens ."
"you told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother ."
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"Catholics have a different belief . The goal is to always save both mother and child . If the fetus dies during the attempt to save both , then that 's what happens . For instance , with an ectopic pregnancy , the goal is n't to kill he fetus , the goal is to save both mother and fetus ."
"you told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother . your bible states otherwise ."
DISAGREE
"Catholics have a different belief . The goal is to always save both mother and child . If the fetus dies during the attempt to save both , then that 's what happens ."
"you told me in an earlier post that the mother should die , even if they predict the fetus will kill the mother . your bible states otherwise ."
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"lol , zenodotus . You can * sigh * all you want , you are not debating honestly . Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed . So my point stands ."
"And you can `` lol `` all you want . So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ? And yes , we could very well debate potentials , but that is a different branch of the bigger picture and personally I do n't see a reason to go down it , at least not at this point ."
DISAGREE
"Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed"
"So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ?"
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"lol , zenodotus . You can * sigh * all you want , you are not debating honestly . Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed . So my point stands ."
"And you can `` lol `` all you want . So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ? And yes , we could very well debate potentials , but that is a different branch of the bigger picture and personally I do n't see a reason to go down it , at least not at this point ."
DISAGREE
"Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed ."
"So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ?"
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"lol , zenodotus . You can * sigh * all you want , you are not debating honestly . Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed . So my point stands ."
"And you can `` lol `` all you want . So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ? And yes , we could very well debate potentials , but that is a different branch of the bigger picture and personally I do n't see a reason to go down it , at least not at this point ."
DISAGREE
"a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed ."
"what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ?"
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"lol , zenodotus . You can * sigh * all you want , you are not debating honestly . Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed . So my point stands ."
"And you can `` lol `` all you want . So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ? And yes , we could very well debate potentials , but that is a different branch of the bigger picture and personally I do n't see a reason to go down it , at least not at this point ."
DISAGREE
"Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions"
"And yes , we could very well debate potentials , but that is a different branch"
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"lol , zenodotus . You can * sigh * all you want , you are not debating honestly . Whether or not an abortion is performed , at a certain point in a pregnancy there are no brain functions because no brain is developed . So my point stands ."
"And you can `` lol `` all you want . So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ? And yes , we could very well debate potentials , but that is a different branch of the bigger picture and personally I do n't see a reason to go down it , at least not at this point ."
DISAGREE
"lol , zenodotus . You can * sigh * all you want , you are not debating honestly ."
"And you can `` lol `` all you want . So tell me what it is about a brain that has not developed that requires more protection than a brain that is temporarily out of commission ?"
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"No disagreements . Something left out ( probably because it was assumed ) , is memory . What you call mental existence I would say is a description of what causes or leads to personal identity . To me it is self evident that there is no person or personhood without a personal identity . There might be disagreement about what the particulars are concerning how to identify a personal identity , but it seems self evident to me that a mind is required , and without a brain , there is no mind , so a brain is required . It seems to me self evident that if there is no brain , there is no person . Of course , others will disagree . Some say that the unique DNA of a zygote is enough for personal identity , but if this is true , identical twins ( with identical DNA ) would have to share one personal identity , and one soul . In the case of a chimera , two souls/unique DNA in two zygotes , would have to blend into one person/soul . ( No , most chimeras are not schizophrenic ) . I believe an integral part of [ personal identity > mental existence > personhood ] is memory . Whether it is short term , or long term , without memory there is no sense of self . ( I may be stating the obvious , but you never know . ) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It is not clear if your list of indicators for mental existence is  “ one will suffice ” , or  “ several are required ” . I don ’ t think it matters all that much , but I ’ m not sure , just wondering ."
"I 'm not completely sure what you mean by `` personal identity `` , but it sounds similar to what I called `` sense of self `` . It is a hard term to define . Sense of self is different than a recognition of self . I have heard that babies do not have a recognition of self - in the sense that , though they have personal experiences of pain , sensation , etc , they do not recognize themselves as separate from others - they just do n't think about their separateness so there is no recognition of a separate `` I `` . Similarly , most animals may have a sense of self - they may have a central mental center which feels the sensations , experiences the emotions , etc . - but many do not necessarily have a recognition of themselves as an `` I `` and others as `` you `` . They just do n't think about the separateness - they just have experiences that they react to . Where mental existence is concerned and criteria I use to define it , many of the criteria I listed ( thought , emotion , sense of pain , perception of experiences , sense of self , etc . ) are interdependent ( ex . emotion can be thought of as a type of thought , it takes a type of thought to recognize pain or sensation , etc. ) . However , roughly speaking , I would say that `` any of the above `` criteria would be enough to define a minimum mental existence - and thus define a person . On a last point , why is memory important to you ? Various people who have experienced major brain trauma have lost most memory function - so they have no memory of who they are , what they were doing one minute ago , etc . One can imagine that the extreme situation would be someone who has no memory at all - so he has no words to communicate , no memory of a personal history . Indeed , every experience is completely new , including the experience of pain , pleasure , etc . However , this memory-less person can still have experiences ( feel pain , pleasure , experience the input of the senses , etc. ) . He would be completely baffled as to what any experience at all is telling him , but he would still have the experiences . Extremely limited as that person would be , I would still call him a person . I 'm not sure if that is the type of memory that you were referring to . If not , then please clarify ."
DISAGREE
"No disagreements . Something left out ( probably because it was assumed ) , is memory"
"I 'm not completely sure what you mean by `` personal identity"
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"No disagreements . Something left out ( probably because it was assumed ) , is memory . What you call mental existence I would say is a description of what causes or leads to personal identity . To me it is self evident that there is no person or personhood without a personal identity . There might be disagreement about what the particulars are concerning how to identify a personal identity , but it seems self evident to me that a mind is required , and without a brain , there is no mind , so a brain is required . It seems to me self evident that if there is no brain , there is no person . Of course , others will disagree . Some say that the unique DNA of a zygote is enough for personal identity , but if this is true , identical twins ( with identical DNA ) would have to share one personal identity , and one soul . In the case of a chimera , two souls/unique DNA in two zygotes , would have to blend into one person/soul . ( No , most chimeras are not schizophrenic ) . I believe an integral part of [ personal identity > mental existence > personhood ] is memory . Whether it is short term , or long term , without memory there is no sense of self . ( I may be stating the obvious , but you never know . ) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It is not clear if your list of indicators for mental existence is  “ one will suffice ” , or  “ several are required ” . I don ’ t think it matters all that much , but I ’ m not sure , just wondering ."
"I 'm not completely sure what you mean by `` personal identity `` , but it sounds similar to what I called `` sense of self `` . It is a hard term to define . Sense of self is different than a recognition of self . I have heard that babies do not have a recognition of self - in the sense that , though they have personal experiences of pain , sensation , etc , they do not recognize themselves as separate from others - they just do n't think about their separateness so there is no recognition of a separate `` I `` . Similarly , most animals may have a sense of self - they may have a central mental center which feels the sensations , experiences the emotions , etc . - but many do not necessarily have a recognition of themselves as an `` I `` and others as `` you `` . They just do n't think about the separateness - they just have experiences that they react to . Where mental existence is concerned and criteria I use to define it , many of the criteria I listed ( thought , emotion , sense of pain , perception of experiences , sense of self , etc . ) are interdependent ( ex . emotion can be thought of as a type of thought , it takes a type of thought to recognize pain or sensation , etc. ) . However , roughly speaking , I would say that `` any of the above `` criteria would be enough to define a minimum mental existence - and thus define a person . On a last point , why is memory important to you ? Various people who have experienced major brain trauma have lost most memory function - so they have no memory of who they are , what they were doing one minute ago , etc . One can imagine that the extreme situation would be someone who has no memory at all - so he has no words to communicate , no memory of a personal history . Indeed , every experience is completely new , including the experience of pain , pleasure , etc . However , this memory-less person can still have experiences ( feel pain , pleasure , experience the input of the senses , etc. ) . He would be completely baffled as to what any experience at all is telling him , but he would still have the experiences . Extremely limited as that person would be , I would still call him a person . I 'm not sure if that is the type of memory that you were referring to . If not , then please clarify ."
DISAGREE
"personal identity"
"personal identity"
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"No disagreements . Something left out ( probably because it was assumed ) , is memory . What you call mental existence I would say is a description of what causes or leads to personal identity . To me it is self evident that there is no person or personhood without a personal identity . There might be disagreement about what the particulars are concerning how to identify a personal identity , but it seems self evident to me that a mind is required , and without a brain , there is no mind , so a brain is required . It seems to me self evident that if there is no brain , there is no person . Of course , others will disagree . Some say that the unique DNA of a zygote is enough for personal identity , but if this is true , identical twins ( with identical DNA ) would have to share one personal identity , and one soul . In the case of a chimera , two souls/unique DNA in two zygotes , would have to blend into one person/soul . ( No , most chimeras are not schizophrenic ) . I believe an integral part of [ personal identity > mental existence > personhood ] is memory . Whether it is short term , or long term , without memory there is no sense of self . ( I may be stating the obvious , but you never know . ) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It is not clear if your list of indicators for mental existence is  “ one will suffice ” , or  “ several are required ” . I don ’ t think it matters all that much , but I ’ m not sure , just wondering ."
"I 'm not completely sure what you mean by `` personal identity `` , but it sounds similar to what I called `` sense of self `` . It is a hard term to define . Sense of self is different than a recognition of self . I have heard that babies do not have a recognition of self - in the sense that , though they have personal experiences of pain , sensation , etc , they do not recognize themselves as separate from others - they just do n't think about their separateness so there is no recognition of a separate `` I `` . Similarly , most animals may have a sense of self - they may have a central mental center which feels the sensations , experiences the emotions , etc . - but many do not necessarily have a recognition of themselves as an `` I `` and others as `` you `` . They just do n't think about the separateness - they just have experiences that they react to . Where mental existence is concerned and criteria I use to define it , many of the criteria I listed ( thought , emotion , sense of pain , perception of experiences , sense of self , etc . ) are interdependent ( ex . emotion can be thought of as a type of thought , it takes a type of thought to recognize pain or sensation , etc. ) . However , roughly speaking , I would say that `` any of the above `` criteria would be enough to define a minimum mental existence - and thus define a person . On a last point , why is memory important to you ? Various people who have experienced major brain trauma have lost most memory function - so they have no memory of who they are , what they were doing one minute ago , etc . One can imagine that the extreme situation would be someone who has no memory at all - so he has no words to communicate , no memory of a personal history . Indeed , every experience is completely new , including the experience of pain , pleasure , etc . However , this memory-less person can still have experiences ( feel pain , pleasure , experience the input of the senses , etc. ) . He would be completely baffled as to what any experience at all is telling him , but he would still have the experiences . Extremely limited as that person would be , I would still call him a person . I 'm not sure if that is the type of memory that you were referring to . If not , then please clarify ."
DISAGREE
"no person or personhood without a personal identity without memory there is no sense of self"
"However , this memory-less person can still have experiences I would still call him a person"
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"No disagreements . Something left out ( probably because it was assumed ) , is memory . What you call mental existence I would say is a description of what causes or leads to personal identity . To me it is self evident that there is no person or personhood without a personal identity . There might be disagreement about what the particulars are concerning how to identify a personal identity , but it seems self evident to me that a mind is required , and without a brain , there is no mind , so a brain is required . It seems to me self evident that if there is no brain , there is no person . Of course , others will disagree . Some say that the unique DNA of a zygote is enough for personal identity , but if this is true , identical twins ( with identical DNA ) would have to share one personal identity , and one soul . In the case of a chimera , two souls/unique DNA in two zygotes , would have to blend into one person/soul . ( No , most chimeras are not schizophrenic ) . I believe an integral part of [ personal identity > mental existence > personhood ] is memory . Whether it is short term , or long term , without memory there is no sense of self . ( I may be stating the obvious , but you never know . ) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It is not clear if your list of indicators for mental existence is  “ one will suffice ” , or  “ several are required ” . I don ’ t think it matters all that much , but I ’ m not sure , just wondering ."
"I 'm not completely sure what you mean by `` personal identity `` , but it sounds similar to what I called `` sense of self `` . It is a hard term to define . Sense of self is different than a recognition of self . I have heard that babies do not have a recognition of self - in the sense that , though they have personal experiences of pain , sensation , etc , they do not recognize themselves as separate from others - they just do n't think about their separateness so there is no recognition of a separate `` I `` . Similarly , most animals may have a sense of self - they may have a central mental center which feels the sensations , experiences the emotions , etc . - but many do not necessarily have a recognition of themselves as an `` I `` and others as `` you `` . They just do n't think about the separateness - they just have experiences that they react to . Where mental existence is concerned and criteria I use to define it , many of the criteria I listed ( thought , emotion , sense of pain , perception of experiences , sense of self , etc . ) are interdependent ( ex . emotion can be thought of as a type of thought , it takes a type of thought to recognize pain or sensation , etc. ) . However , roughly speaking , I would say that `` any of the above `` criteria would be enough to define a minimum mental existence - and thus define a person . On a last point , why is memory important to you ? Various people who have experienced major brain trauma have lost most memory function - so they have no memory of who they are , what they were doing one minute ago , etc . One can imagine that the extreme situation would be someone who has no memory at all - so he has no words to communicate , no memory of a personal history . Indeed , every experience is completely new , including the experience of pain , pleasure , etc . However , this memory-less person can still have experiences ( feel pain , pleasure , experience the input of the senses , etc. ) . He would be completely baffled as to what any experience at all is telling him , but he would still have the experiences . Extremely limited as that person would be , I would still call him a person . I 'm not sure if that is the type of memory that you were referring to . If not , then please clarify ."
DISAGREE
"disagreements"
"Extremely limited as that person would be , I would still call him a person . I 'm not sure if that is the type of memory that you were referring to . If not , then please clarify ."
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"They are n't the same . the point is that a group that is fraught with immoral behavior has no crediblity or authority when it comes to dictating what people should or should not do on the basis of morality . Consider it this way : Bill Clinton speaking about how a boyfriend should act in accordance to fideilty . No one is going to believe him because has squandered all of his crediblitiy and authority . It 's the same way with the Catholic Church ."
"So , by your logic , if there 's a bad cop in New York , then all the cops in Boise , Idaho must be bad as well ."
DISAGREE
"Consider it this way : Bill Clinton speaking about how a boyfriend should act in accordance to fideilty . No one is going to believe him because has squandered all of his crediblitiy and authority . It 's the same way with the Catholic Church ."
"your logic , if there a bad in New York all the in Boise , Idaho must be ."
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"They are n't the same . the point is that a group that is fraught with immoral behavior has no crediblity or authority when it comes to dictating what people should or should not do on the basis of morality . Consider it this way : Bill Clinton speaking about how a boyfriend should act in accordance to fideilty . No one is going to believe him because has squandered all of his crediblitiy and authority . It 's the same way with the Catholic Church ."
"So , by your logic , if there 's a bad cop in New York , then all the cops in Boise , Idaho must be bad as well ."
DISAGREE
"fraught with immoral behavior"
"bad cop in New York , then all the cops in Boise ,"
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"They are n't the same . the point is that a group that is fraught with immoral behavior has no crediblity or authority when it comes to dictating what people should or should not do on the basis of morality . Consider it this way : Bill Clinton speaking about how a boyfriend should act in accordance to fideilty . No one is going to believe him because has squandered all of his crediblitiy and authority . It 's the same way with the Catholic Church ."
"So , by your logic , if there 's a bad cop in New York , then all the cops in Boise , Idaho must be bad as well ."
DISAGREE
"They are n't the same . the point is that a group that is fraught with immoral behavior has no crediblity or authority when it comes to dictating what people should or should not do on the basis of morality ."
"So , by your logic , if there 's a bad cop in New York , then all the cops in Boise"
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"Life is not gaining complexity or creating new informationÂ… ."
"Please define complexity . Please define information . Both definitions should be relevant to biology ."
DISAGREE
"gaining complexity"
"define complexity ."
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"Life is not gaining complexity or creating new informationÂ… ."
"Please define complexity . Please define information . Both definitions should be relevant to biology ."
DISAGREE
"Life is not or new ."
"biology"
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"Life is not gaining complexity or creating new informationÂ… ."
"Please define complexity . Please define information . Both definitions should be relevant to biology ."
DISAGREE
"Life is not gaining complexity or creating new informationÂ… ."
"Please define complexity ."
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"Life is not gaining complexity or creating new informationÂ… ."
"Please define complexity . Please define information . Both definitions should be relevant to biology ."
DISAGREE
"Life is not gaining complexity"
"Please define complexity"
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"Because there is evidence against Kerry ."
"Yet there is evidence aganist Bush and you have a double standard on applying your attacks on Kerry to Bush even when the same circumstances apply ."
DISAGREE
"Because there is evidence against Kerry ."
"evidence aganist Bush and you have a double standard on applying your attacks on Kerry to Bush"
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"Because there is evidence against Kerry ."
"Yet there is evidence aganist Bush and you have a double standard on applying your attacks on Kerry to Bush even when the same circumstances apply ."
DISAGREE
"there is evidence against Kerry"
"you have a double standard your attacks on Kerry ."
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"Because there is evidence against Kerry ."
"Yet there is evidence aganist Bush and you have a double standard on applying your attacks on Kerry to Bush even when the same circumstances apply ."
DISAGREE
"against"
"there is Bush and you a standard Kerry to Bush when the same apply ."
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"Because there is evidence against Kerry ."
"Yet there is evidence aganist Bush and you have a double standard on applying your attacks on Kerry to Bush even when the same circumstances apply ."
DISAGREE
"is evidence against Kerry ."
"evidence aganist Bush and you have a double standard on applying your attacks on Kerry"
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"It 's all very interesting , but you left out a critical piece of information . You deliberately omitted the fact that most of the black victims were killed by fellow blacks . These were n't murders carried out by racist white guys , they 're the examples of black on black violence ."
"So what ? Most of them are still getting killed with guns . A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue . The basic idea is to `` win `` an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic . This sort of `` reasoning `` has the following form : 1 . Topic A is under discussion . 2 . Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A ( when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A ) . 3 . Topic A is abandoned ."
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"most of the black victims were killed by fellow blacks"
"So what ? . an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue ``"
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"It 's all very interesting , but you left out a critical piece of information . You deliberately omitted the fact that most of the black victims were killed by fellow blacks . These were n't murders carried out by racist white guys , they 're the examples of black on black violence ."
"So what ? Most of them are still getting killed with guns . A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue . The basic idea is to `` win `` an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic . This sort of `` reasoning `` has the following form : 1 . Topic A is under discussion . 2 . Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A ( when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A ) . 3 . Topic A is abandoned ."
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"but you left out a critical piece of information ."
"So what ? Most of them are still getting killed with guns"
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"It 's all very interesting , but you left out a critical piece of information . You deliberately omitted the fact that most of the black victims were killed by fellow blacks . These were n't murders carried out by racist white guys , they 're the examples of black on black violence ."
"So what ? Most of them are still getting killed with guns . A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue . The basic idea is to `` win `` an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic . This sort of `` reasoning `` has the following form : 1 . Topic A is under discussion . 2 . Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A ( when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A ) . 3 . Topic A is abandoned ."
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"left out a critical piece of information"
"Most of them are still getting killed with guns"
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"It 's all very interesting , but you left out a critical piece of information . You deliberately omitted the fact that most of the black victims were killed by fellow blacks . These were n't murders carried out by racist white guys , they 're the examples of black on black violence ."
"So what ? Most of them are still getting killed with guns . A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue . The basic idea is to `` win `` an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic . This sort of `` reasoning `` has the following form : 1 . Topic A is under discussion . 2 . Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A ( when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A ) . 3 . Topic A is abandoned ."
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"you left out a piece of information . omitted of the black victims were by . These were n't white , they of black on black"
"A is topic . 2 ."
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"Does anyone know a pregnant woman who has `` demanded `` an abortion ? Why is this horrificly false phrase bandied about so carelessly and freely ? It shows a grave disrespect for women who are making painful , soul-searching decisions about pregnancy . Why this great disrespect for women in this position ?"
"You must have been watching the same sunday morning tv political talk show as I was semi-listening to this morning . Some pro-abortion woman went off on a tangent about the phrase `` abortion on demand `` . Would `` abortion for convienence `` be more accurate ?"
DISAGREE
"Does anyone know a pregnant woman who has `` demanded `` an abortion ? Why is this horrificly false phrase bandied about so carelessly and freely ? It shows a grave disrespect for women who are making painful , soul-searching decisions about pregnancy ."
"Some pro-abortion woman went off on a tangent about the phrase `` abortion on demand `` . Would `` abortion for convienence `` be more accurate ?"
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"Does anyone know a pregnant woman who has `` demanded `` an abortion ? Why is this horrificly false phrase bandied about so carelessly and freely ? It shows a grave disrespect for women who are making painful , soul-searching decisions about pregnancy . Why this great disrespect for women in this position ?"
"You must have been watching the same sunday morning tv political talk show as I was semi-listening to this morning . Some pro-abortion woman went off on a tangent about the phrase `` abortion on demand `` . Would `` abortion for convienence `` be more accurate ?"
DISAGREE
"a Why is this so carelessly and freely ? It for women who are making ,"
"abortion on demand"
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"Does anyone know a pregnant woman who has `` demanded `` an abortion ? Why is this horrificly false phrase bandied about so carelessly and freely ? It shows a grave disrespect for women who are making painful , soul-searching decisions about pregnancy . Why this great disrespect for women in this position ?"
"You must have been watching the same sunday morning tv political talk show as I was semi-listening to this morning . Some pro-abortion woman went off on a tangent about the phrase `` abortion on demand `` . Would `` abortion for convienence `` be more accurate ?"
DISAGREE
"Does anyone know a pregnant woman who has `` demanded `` an abortion ?"
"Would `` abortion for convienence `` be more accurate ?"
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"Evolution may not , but most evolutionists do ."
"But you are trying to debunk the theory , right ? If it can be accepted by atheists , agnostics , theists , and the catholic church , how can you say that it is completely atheistic ?"
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"most evolutionists"
"debunk the theory"
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"Evolution may not , but most evolutionists do ."
"But you are trying to debunk the theory , right ? If it can be accepted by atheists , agnostics , theists , and the catholic church , how can you say that it is completely atheistic ?"
DISAGREE
"Evolution may not , but most evolutionists do ."
"But you are trying to debunk the theory , right ? how can you say that it is completely atheistic ?"
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"Evolution may not , but most evolutionists do ."
"But you are trying to debunk the theory , right ? If it can be accepted by atheists , agnostics , theists , and the catholic church , how can you say that it is completely atheistic ?"
DISAGREE
"Evolution may not"
"how can you say that it is completely atheistic ?"
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"Evolution may not , but most evolutionists do ."
"But you are trying to debunk the theory , right ? If it can be accepted by atheists , agnostics , theists , and the catholic church , how can you say that it is completely atheistic ?"
DISAGREE
"evolutionists"
"you are to the , ? it can be by atheists , agnostics , theists , and the can you say is atheistic"
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"Explain to me how copying something is creating something new ."
"Read what i actually wrote for a change Yank ."
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"copying something is creating"
"actually wrote for a change Yank"
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"Explain to me how copying something is creating something new ."
"Read what i actually wrote for a change Yank ."
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"how copying something is creating something new"
"what i actually wrote for a change Yank"
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"Explain to me how copying something is creating something new ."
"Read what i actually wrote for a change Yank ."
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"Explain to me how copying something is creating something new ."
"Read what i actually wrote for a change Yank ."
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"Explain to me how copying something is creating something new ."
"Read what i actually wrote for a change Yank ."
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"Explain to me how copying something something new ."
"what wrote a Yank ."
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"Explain to me how copying something is creating something new ."
"Read what i actually wrote for a change Yank ."
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"Explain to me how copying something is creating something new ."
"Read what i actually wrote for a change"
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"Last time I checked most state boards merely set the guidelines , whether or not they are followed is something entirely different . Still the fact that you have a board of education spouting such ridiculousness is pretty damn amusing ."
"The way it works in Kansas , the state board of education sets the guidelines and sends them out to all the school districts where they sit in a box in a closet somewhere . During much of the time when all this idiocy was going on , I was ON the local school board and had never once opened one of those books . We all knew they existed , and nearly half of us knew where ours were , it was just not something that anybody generally cares to look at . I would be shocked if you could find me 10 kids in the entire state who have ever read the state school boards definition of `` science `` or their guidelines . It is just not something that comes up . IMO , that is why this issue came up in kansas . Our state school board here has VERY little power or control , so nobody really pays attention to them . When the first set of changes occured , there was a lag of about 6 months before anybody even realized it and then it was somebody from the media ."
AGREE
"checked most state boards merely set the guidelines ,"
"the state board of education sets the guidelines ``"
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"Last time I checked most state boards merely set the guidelines , whether or not they are followed is something entirely different . Still the fact that you have a board of education spouting such ridiculousness is pretty damn amusing ."
"The way it works in Kansas , the state board of education sets the guidelines and sends them out to all the school districts where they sit in a box in a closet somewhere . During much of the time when all this idiocy was going on , I was ON the local school board and had never once opened one of those books . We all knew they existed , and nearly half of us knew where ours were , it was just not something that anybody generally cares to look at . I would be shocked if you could find me 10 kids in the entire state who have ever read the state school boards definition of `` science `` or their guidelines . It is just not something that comes up . IMO , that is why this issue came up in kansas . Our state school board here has VERY little power or control , so nobody really pays attention to them . When the first set of changes occured , there was a lag of about 6 months before anybody even realized it and then it was somebody from the media ."
AGREE
"state boards merely set the guidelines"
"once opened one of those books"
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"Most state constitutions that I have looked at expressly protect the right of the ballot initiative . We are , of course , limiting ourselves to state laws since the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ."
"That 's not quite true either . Federal laws grant many rights and privledges to married people . The feds may not have a say on who can get married , but there are federal laws that benefit married people ."
DISAGREE
"the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ."
"That 's not quite true either ."
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"Most state constitutions that I have looked at expressly protect the right of the ballot initiative . We are , of course , limiting ourselves to state laws since the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ."
"That 's not quite true either . Federal laws grant many rights and privledges to married people . The feds may not have a say on who can get married , but there are federal laws that benefit married people ."
DISAGREE
"state constitutions expressly protect the right of the ballot"
"not quite true privledges to married people ."
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"Most state constitutions that I have looked at expressly protect the right of the ballot initiative . We are , of course , limiting ourselves to state laws since the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ."
"That 's not quite true either . Federal laws grant many rights and privledges to married people . The feds may not have a say on who can get married , but there are federal laws that benefit married people ."
DISAGREE
"state constitutions that I have right ballot initiative . are course , to state the federal government has nothing to do with marriage ."
"That not . rights and married have say who can , there are federal laws that"
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"Most state constitutions that I have looked at expressly protect the right of the ballot initiative . We are , of course , limiting ourselves to state laws since the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ."
"That 's not quite true either . Federal laws grant many rights and privledges to married people . The feds may not have a say on who can get married , but there are federal laws that benefit married people ."
DISAGREE
"nothing to do with marriage"
"say on who can get married"
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"Most state constitutions that I have looked at expressly protect the right of the ballot initiative . We are , of course , limiting ourselves to state laws since the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ."
"That 's not quite true either . Federal laws grant many rights and privledges to married people . The feds may not have a say on who can get married , but there are federal laws that benefit married people ."
DISAGREE
"limiting ourselves to state laws since the federal government has absolutely nothing to do with marriage"
"not quite true either . Federal laws grant many rights and privledges to married people"
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"If you mean by literal creationism the account of it in the Bible , then no . If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life . I ca n't see a natural way for that to occur considering how complex life is ."
"So Goddidit ? I see you still have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown to be nothing more then `` we ignorant , therefore Goddidit. `` Nor did you explain away how ID is any different then Animism . If you took someone who lived in the jungle all his life , took some food , put it in a microwave and then served to him and asked him how the food got hot , what would you expect him to say ? Magic most likely as that has been the outcome of similar situations in the past . What we know to be a simple electromagnetic device is magic to him . Just because we do not know does not mean God was responsible . If you think like that , then 10,000 years of human cognitive advancement has skipped you ."
DISAGREE
"you mean by literal creationism the in the Bible , no . If evolution there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life . I n't see that how complex life is"
"So Goddidit ? I you have n't to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was to be nothing more `` we , therefore did explain how ID is Animism . If you someone who in the jungle his life took some food , it and then to him and asked him how the food hot , what would expect say ? Magic most likely as has been situations in the past What we know to be a electromagnetic . Just because we do know does God that , then 10,000"
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"If you mean by literal creationism the account of it in the Bible , then no . If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life . I ca n't see a natural way for that to occur considering how complex life is ."
"So Goddidit ? I see you still have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown to be nothing more then `` we ignorant , therefore Goddidit. `` Nor did you explain away how ID is any different then Animism . If you took someone who lived in the jungle all his life , took some food , put it in a microwave and then served to him and asked him how the food got hot , what would you expect him to say ? Magic most likely as that has been the outcome of similar situations in the past . What we know to be a simple electromagnetic device is magic to him . Just because we do not know does not mean God was responsible . If you think like that , then 10,000 years of human cognitive advancement has skipped you ."
DISAGREE
"literal creationism the account of it in the Bible , then no . If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life"
"still have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown to be nothing more then `` we ignorant"
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"If you mean by literal creationism the account of it in the Bible , then no . If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life . I ca n't see a natural way for that to occur considering how complex life is ."
"So Goddidit ? I see you still have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown to be nothing more then `` we ignorant , therefore Goddidit. `` Nor did you explain away how ID is any different then Animism . If you took someone who lived in the jungle all his life , took some food , put it in a microwave and then served to him and asked him how the food got hot , what would you expect him to say ? Magic most likely as that has been the outcome of similar situations in the past . What we know to be a simple electromagnetic device is magic to him . Just because we do not know does not mean God was responsible . If you think like that , then 10,000 years of human cognitive advancement has skipped you ."
DISAGREE
"had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life"
"lived in the jungle all his life"
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"If you mean by literal creationism the account of it in the Bible , then no . If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life . I ca n't see a natural way for that to occur considering how complex life is ."
"So Goddidit ? I see you still have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown to be nothing more then `` we ignorant , therefore Goddidit. `` Nor did you explain away how ID is any different then Animism . If you took someone who lived in the jungle all his life , took some food , put it in a microwave and then served to him and asked him how the food got hot , what would you expect him to say ? Magic most likely as that has been the outcome of similar situations in the past . What we know to be a simple electromagnetic device is magic to him . Just because we do not know does not mean God was responsible . If you think like that , then 10,000 years of human cognitive advancement has skipped you ."
DISAGREE
"If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life"
"Just because we do not know does not mean God was responsible"
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"If you mean by literal creationism the account of it in the Bible , then no . If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life . I ca n't see a natural way for that to occur considering how complex life is ."
"So Goddidit ? I see you still have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown to be nothing more then `` we ignorant , therefore Goddidit. `` Nor did you explain away how ID is any different then Animism . If you took someone who lived in the jungle all his life , took some food , put it in a microwave and then served to him and asked him how the food got hot , what would you expect him to say ? Magic most likely as that has been the outcome of similar situations in the past . What we know to be a simple electromagnetic device is magic to him . Just because we do not know does not mean God was responsible . If you think like that , then 10,000 years of human cognitive advancement has skipped you ."
DISAGREE
"If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life ."
"have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown ``"
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"If you mean by literal creationism the account of it in the Bible , then no . If evolution did not occur there had to be a spontaneous `` creation `` of life . I ca n't see a natural way for that to occur considering how complex life is ."
"So Goddidit ? I see you still have n't gotten back to the thread where 'intelligent design ' was shown to be nothing more then `` we ignorant , therefore Goddidit. `` Nor did you explain away how ID is any different then Animism . If you took someone who lived in the jungle all his life , took some food , put it in a microwave and then served to him and asked him how the food got hot , what would you expect him to say ? Magic most likely as that has been the outcome of similar situations in the past . What we know to be a simple electromagnetic device is magic to him . Just because we do not know does not mean God was responsible . If you think like that , then 10,000 years of human cognitive advancement has skipped you ."
DISAGREE
"literal creationism in the Bible how complex life is"
"Goddidit ? how ID is any different then Animism ."
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"ur definition of evolution is incorrect . if u go to any dictionary who would find that evolution by definition is a process of simple , basic things evolving or changing into complex structures in laymens term i guess [ ex . society , religion , government and language ] . what u seem to be defining is biological evolution . as for creationism ... I havent decided how i should define it . is it religion , science , idea , theory , or bs . there r many defintions . creationism use so many kinds of definition that there is no point 2 define it ... that and i have no idea . all the dictionary i 've seen r different and bias I 'm just trying to correct . sorry if i had offended u. btw colcletus next time u should be more specific , but i assume u meant biological evolution . oh yeah sorry if my definition sucks . i was in a hurry ."
"Well , you have proven yoruself to be a man with no brain , that is for sure . The definition that was given was the one that scientists use , not the layperson ."
DISAGREE
"ur definition of evolution is process of simple , basic things"
"man with no brain The definition that was given"
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"ur definition of evolution is incorrect . if u go to any dictionary who would find that evolution by definition is a process of simple , basic things evolving or changing into complex structures in laymens term i guess [ ex . society , religion , government and language ] . what u seem to be defining is biological evolution . as for creationism ... I havent decided how i should define it . is it religion , science , idea , theory , or bs . there r many defintions . creationism use so many kinds of definition that there is no point 2 define it ... that and i have no idea . all the dictionary i 've seen r different and bias I 'm just trying to correct . sorry if i had offended u. btw colcletus next time u should be more specific , but i assume u meant biological evolution . oh yeah sorry if my definition sucks . i was in a hurry ."
"Well , you have proven yoruself to be a man with no brain , that is for sure . The definition that was given was the one that scientists use , not the layperson ."
DISAGREE
"of evolution is . any dictionary that a process of simple , or changing into structures in [ ex . society ] . as it"
"have to be a brain . The definition was one that scientists , not"
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"ur definition of evolution is incorrect . if u go to any dictionary who would find that evolution by definition is a process of simple , basic things evolving or changing into complex structures in laymens term i guess [ ex . society , religion , government and language ] . what u seem to be defining is biological evolution . as for creationism ... I havent decided how i should define it . is it religion , science , idea , theory , or bs . there r many defintions . creationism use so many kinds of definition that there is no point 2 define it ... that and i have no idea . all the dictionary i 've seen r different and bias I 'm just trying to correct . sorry if i had offended u. btw colcletus next time u should be more specific , but i assume u meant biological evolution . oh yeah sorry if my definition sucks . i was in a hurry ."
"Well , you have proven yoruself to be a man with no brain , that is for sure . The definition that was given was the one that scientists use , not the layperson ."
DISAGREE
"defining is biological evolution"
"to be a man with no brain"
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"ur definition of evolution is incorrect . if u go to any dictionary who would find that evolution by definition is a process of simple , basic things evolving or changing into complex structures in laymens term i guess [ ex . society , religion , government and language ] . what u seem to be defining is biological evolution . as for creationism ... I havent decided how i should define it . is it religion , science , idea , theory , or bs . there r many defintions . creationism use so many kinds of definition that there is no point 2 define it ... that and i have no idea . all the dictionary i 've seen r different and bias I 'm just trying to correct . sorry if i had offended u. btw colcletus next time u should be more specific , but i assume u meant biological evolution . oh yeah sorry if my definition sucks . i was in a hurry ."
"Well , you have proven yoruself to be a man with no brain , that is for sure . The definition that was given was the one that scientists use , not the layperson ."
DISAGREE
"evolution is incorrect . if u go to any dictionary who would find that evolution by definition is a process of simple , basic things"
"you have proven yoruself to be a man with no brain , that is for sure"
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"ur definition of evolution is incorrect . if u go to any dictionary who would find that evolution by definition is a process of simple , basic things evolving or changing into complex structures in laymens term i guess [ ex . society , religion , government and language ] . what u seem to be defining is biological evolution . as for creationism ... I havent decided how i should define it . is it religion , science , idea , theory , or bs . there r many defintions . creationism use so many kinds of definition that there is no point 2 define it ... that and i have no idea . all the dictionary i 've seen r different and bias I 'm just trying to correct . sorry if i had offended u. btw colcletus next time u should be more specific , but i assume u meant biological evolution . oh yeah sorry if my definition sucks . i was in a hurry ."
"Well , you have proven yoruself to be a man with no brain , that is for sure . The definition that was given was the one that scientists use , not the layperson ."
DISAGREE
"if u go to any dictionary who would find that evolution by definition is a process of simple , basic things evolving or changing into complex structures in laymens term i guess [ ex . society , religion , government and language ] . what u seem to be defining is biological evolution"
"The definition that was given was the one that scientists use , not the layperson ."
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