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"Legislative solutions and popular appeal are not the same thing . The legislature is hired to do what 's right , not what 's popular ."
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"Well , you ignored the part where I said `` voting `` . But IMO legislative solutions ARE part and parcel to popular appeal because legislators are voted in on that basis . ANY legislator claims to `` do what 's right. `` So elections tend to be popularity contests . And legislators tend to want to keep their constituents happy . Oh and just to make sure you understand this Kronos so as not to get off in the wrong direction , this is my opinion , just like everything else I 've said . It is not a lie ."
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"Legislative solutions and popular appeal are not the same thing . The legislature is hired to do what 's right , not what 's popular"
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"Well , you ignored the part where I said `` voting `` . But IMO legislative solutions ARE part and parcel to popular appeal because legislators are voted in on that basis . ANY legislator claims to `` do what 's"
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1,251 | 360 |
"Legislative solutions and popular appeal are not the same thing . The legislature is hired to do what 's right , not what 's popular ."
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"Well , you ignored the part where I said `` voting `` . But IMO legislative solutions ARE part and parcel to popular appeal because legislators are voted in on that basis . ANY legislator claims to `` do what 's right. `` So elections tend to be popularity contests . And legislators tend to want to keep their constituents happy . Oh and just to make sure you understand this Kronos so as not to get off in the wrong direction , this is my opinion , just like everything else I 've said . It is not a lie ."
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"Legislative solutions and popular appeal are not the same thing ."
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"Well , you ignored the part where I said `` voting `` . But IMO legislative solutions ARE part and parcel to popular appeal because legislators are voted in on that basis ."
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1,249 | 360 |
"Legislative solutions and popular appeal are not the same thing . The legislature is hired to do what 's right , not what 's popular ."
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"Well , you ignored the part where I said `` voting `` . But IMO legislative solutions ARE part and parcel to popular appeal because legislators are voted in on that basis . ANY legislator claims to `` do what 's right. `` So elections tend to be popularity contests . And legislators tend to want to keep their constituents happy . Oh and just to make sure you understand this Kronos so as not to get off in the wrong direction , this is my opinion , just like everything else I 've said . It is not a lie ."
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"Legislative solutions and popular appeal are not the same thing"
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"legislative solutions ARE part and parcel to popular appeal because legislators are voted in on that basis ."
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1,248 | 360 |
"Legislative solutions and popular appeal are not the same thing . The legislature is hired to do what 's right , not what 's popular ."
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"Well , you ignored the part where I said `` voting `` . But IMO legislative solutions ARE part and parcel to popular appeal because legislators are voted in on that basis . ANY legislator claims to `` do what 's right. `` So elections tend to be popularity contests . And legislators tend to want to keep their constituents happy . Oh and just to make sure you understand this Kronos so as not to get off in the wrong direction , this is my opinion , just like everything else I 've said . It is not a lie ."
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"The legislature is hired to do what 's right , not what 's popular ."
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"you ignored the part where I said `` voting `` ."
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1,252 | 361 |
"Have you lost your mind ? I got no idea what you are talking about ."
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"deliberate acts of fabrication to produce false and fradulent claims as to what others have said . You cited my posts which did not imply anything of the sort you claimed it did and what I thought . In fact , some of the cited refute such claims ."
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"Have you lost your mind ? I got no idea what you are talking about"
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"deliberate acts of fabrication to produce false and fradulent claims as to what others have said . You cited my posts which did not imply anything of the sort you claimed it did and what I thought . In fact , some of the cited refute such claims ."
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1,254 | 361 |
"Have you lost your mind ? I got no idea what you are talking about ."
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"deliberate acts of fabrication to produce false and fradulent claims as to what others have said . You cited my posts which did not imply anything of the sort you claimed it did and what I thought . In fact , some of the cited refute such claims ."
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"Have you lost your mind ? I got no idea what you are talking about ."
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"deliberate acts of fabrication to produce false and fradulent claims as to what others have said"
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1,255 | 361 |
"Have you lost your mind ? I got no idea what you are talking about ."
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"deliberate acts of fabrication to produce false and fradulent claims as to what others have said . You cited my posts which did not imply anything of the sort you claimed it did and what I thought . In fact , some of the cited refute such claims ."
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"no idea what you are talking about ."
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"You cited my posts which did not imply anything of the sort you claimed it did and what I thought"
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1,259 | 362 |
"When lizards morph in different environments and the explanation is mutating something that adds up to the mystical rapid evolution ,"
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"Just common sense . If a mutation provides some benefit , it tends to be retained . Over time , ( sometimes over a very short time ) this can produce a new structure as we see in this case ."
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"When lizards morph in different environments"
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"Just common sense ."
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1,258 | 362 |
"When lizards morph in different environments and the explanation is mutating something that adds up to the mystical rapid evolution ,"
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"Just common sense . If a mutation provides some benefit , it tends to be retained . Over time , ( sometimes over a very short time ) this can produce a new structure as we see in this case ."
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"When lizards morph in different environments and the explanation is mutating something that adds up to the mystical rapid evolution ,"
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"Just common sense . If a mutation provides some benefit , it tends to be retained ."
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1,257 | 362 |
"When lizards morph in different environments and the explanation is mutating something that adds up to the mystical rapid evolution ,"
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"Just common sense . If a mutation provides some benefit , it tends to be retained . Over time , ( sometimes over a very short time ) this can produce a new structure as we see in this case ."
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"explanation is mutating something that adds up to the mystical rapid evolution"
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"Just common sense . If a mutation provides some benefit , it tends to be retained . Over time , ( sometimes over a very short time ) this can produce a new structure as we see in this case ."
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1,256 | 362 |
"When lizards morph in different environments and the explanation is mutating something that adds up to the mystical rapid evolution ,"
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"Just common sense . If a mutation provides some benefit , it tends to be retained . Over time , ( sometimes over a very short time ) this can produce a new structure as we see in this case ."
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"lizards morph in different environments and the explanation is mutating something that adds up to the mystical rapid evolution ,"
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"If a mutation provides some benefit , it tends to be retained ."
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1,260 | 363 |
"It disproves climate change about as well as Piltdown man disproves evolution ."
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"Agreed , which tells me that spending $ Trillions on an uncertainty of this magnitude has to be driven by alterior motives ."
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"It disproves climate change about as well as Piltdown man disproves evolution ."
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"Agreed , which tells me that spending $ Trillions on an uncertainty of this magnitude has to be driven by alterior motives ."
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1,262 | 363 |
"It disproves climate change about as well as Piltdown man disproves evolution ."
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"Agreed , which tells me that spending $ Trillions on an uncertainty of this magnitude has to be driven by alterior motives ."
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"It disproves climate change about as well as Piltdown man disproves evolution ."
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"Agreed"
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1,261 | 363 |
"It disproves climate change about as well as Piltdown man disproves evolution ."
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"Agreed , which tells me that spending $ Trillions on an uncertainty of this magnitude has to be driven by alterior motives ."
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"It disproves climate change about as well as Piltdown man disproves evolution ."
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"Agreed , which tells me that spending $ Trillions on an uncertainty of this magnitude has to be driven by alterior motives ."
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1,265 | 364 |
"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ? Aren ; t those more about supporting evolution ? I am very puzzled !"
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"Same evidence , different interpretations based on different starting faiths . We will use the Lucy type skeleton and the next supposed evolutionary progression Homo Hablis ( for short hand , HH ) . CAT scans of the inner ear of HH showed that the semi-circular cannals , which determine balance and locomotion , are more like those of baboons than those of humans . This is not what one would expect if the evolutionary story about human origins is true , HH should be more bipedal than the Lucy type skeleton from which it supposedly evolved from , but it is not . In fact , most scientists now think that HH is not one creature , but instead is several types of creatures that do not belong together , at least three or more different animals , hence making it an invalid category . Further more , it can not be our ancestor as no such animal ever existed . Hence , the evidence is interpreted more sensibly and reasonable through a creationary model . This is just an example of what they may do with some fossils , IMVHO ."
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"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ? Aren ; t those more about supporting evolution ? I am very puzzled !"
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"Same evidence , different interpretations based on different starting faiths . We will use the Lucy type skeleton and the next supposed evolutionary progression Homo Hablis ( for short hand , HH )"
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1,267 | 364 |
"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ? Aren ; t those more about supporting evolution ? I am very puzzled !"
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"Same evidence , different interpretations based on different starting faiths . We will use the Lucy type skeleton and the next supposed evolutionary progression Homo Hablis ( for short hand , HH ) . CAT scans of the inner ear of HH showed that the semi-circular cannals , which determine balance and locomotion , are more like those of baboons than those of humans . This is not what one would expect if the evolutionary story about human origins is true , HH should be more bipedal than the Lucy type skeleton from which it supposedly evolved from , but it is not . In fact , most scientists now think that HH is not one creature , but instead is several types of creatures that do not belong together , at least three or more different animals , hence making it an invalid category . Further more , it can not be our ancestor as no such animal ever existed . Hence , the evidence is interpreted more sensibly and reasonable through a creationary model . This is just an example of what they may do with some fossils , IMVHO ."
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"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ?"
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"Same evidence , different interpretations"
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1,266 | 364 |
"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ? Aren ; t those more about supporting evolution ? I am very puzzled !"
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"Same evidence , different interpretations based on different starting faiths . We will use the Lucy type skeleton and the next supposed evolutionary progression Homo Hablis ( for short hand , HH ) . CAT scans of the inner ear of HH showed that the semi-circular cannals , which determine balance and locomotion , are more like those of baboons than those of humans . This is not what one would expect if the evolutionary story about human origins is true , HH should be more bipedal than the Lucy type skeleton from which it supposedly evolved from , but it is not . In fact , most scientists now think that HH is not one creature , but instead is several types of creatures that do not belong together , at least three or more different animals , hence making it an invalid category . Further more , it can not be our ancestor as no such animal ever existed . Hence , the evidence is interpreted more sensibly and reasonable through a creationary model . This is just an example of what they may do with some fossils , IMVHO ."
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"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ? Aren ; t those more about supporting evolution ?"
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"Same evidence , different interpretations based on different starting faiths ."
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1,264 | 364 |
"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ? Aren ; t those more about supporting evolution ? I am very puzzled !"
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"Same evidence , different interpretations based on different starting faiths . We will use the Lucy type skeleton and the next supposed evolutionary progression Homo Hablis ( for short hand , HH ) . CAT scans of the inner ear of HH showed that the semi-circular cannals , which determine balance and locomotion , are more like those of baboons than those of humans . This is not what one would expect if the evolutionary story about human origins is true , HH should be more bipedal than the Lucy type skeleton from which it supposedly evolved from , but it is not . In fact , most scientists now think that HH is not one creature , but instead is several types of creatures that do not belong together , at least three or more different animals , hence making it an invalid category . Further more , it can not be our ancestor as no such animal ever existed . Hence , the evidence is interpreted more sensibly and reasonable through a creationary model . This is just an example of what they may do with some fossils , IMVHO ."
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"How can a museum about creationism show `` Fossil `` collections ?"
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"In fact , most scientists now think that HH is not one creature , but instead is several types of creatures that do not belong together , at least three or more different animals , hence making it an invalid category ."
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"Originally posted by kelvin90701 `` Canada , Australia , and New Zealand all have many guns ( though not nearly as many handguns as does the United States ) . The key difference is that these countries do a much better job than we do of keeping guns out of the wrong hands . Their experience shows that when there are reasonable restrictions , relatively few outlaws can possess or use guns. `` - http : //www.vahv.org/NEJM-ed.html I am 100 % in favor of outlaws not having guns . If you have not noticed , 3 groups of people can not have guns in this country . 1 ) The insane 2 ) Criminals 3 ) Domestic violence perps It is currently illegal for outlaws to have guns . Passing another law will just make outlaws `` double-lly `` illegal . NO MORE LAWS are need . ENFORCEMENT of current laws is what is needed . If law # 1 is not enforced , what makes you think law # 2 will be enforced ?"
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"Well if you 're going to quote that article that mentions Canada to support your opinion , then does that mean you 're in favor of gun registration and licensing ? Canada has them . And if the NRA is really interested in enforcing laws why do they ask congress to reduce the budget of law enforcement ? The NRA uses its political muscle to make it easier for criminals to obtain guns . Robert Ricker , former top lawyer of the NRA , talks about it ."
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"It is currently illegal for outlaws to have guns"
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"its political muscle to make it easier for criminals to obtain guns"
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"Originally posted by kelvin90701 `` Canada , Australia , and New Zealand all have many guns ( though not nearly as many handguns as does the United States ) . The key difference is that these countries do a much better job than we do of keeping guns out of the wrong hands . Their experience shows that when there are reasonable restrictions , relatively few outlaws can possess or use guns. `` - http : //www.vahv.org/NEJM-ed.html I am 100 % in favor of outlaws not having guns . If you have not noticed , 3 groups of people can not have guns in this country . 1 ) The insane 2 ) Criminals 3 ) Domestic violence perps It is currently illegal for outlaws to have guns . Passing another law will just make outlaws `` double-lly `` illegal . NO MORE LAWS are need . ENFORCEMENT of current laws is what is needed . If law # 1 is not enforced , what makes you think law # 2 will be enforced ?"
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"Well if you 're going to quote that article that mentions Canada to support your opinion , then does that mean you 're in favor of gun registration and licensing ? Canada has them . And if the NRA is really interested in enforcing laws why do they ask congress to reduce the budget of law enforcement ? The NRA uses its political muscle to make it easier for criminals to obtain guns . Robert Ricker , former top lawyer of the NRA , talks about it ."
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"Originally posted by kelvin90701 `` Canada , Australia , and New Zealand all have many guns ( though not nearly as many handguns as does the United States ) ."
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"Well if you 're going to quote that article that mentions Canada to support your opinion ,"
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"You do realize that a militia is nothing more than a group of armed citizens , do you ?"
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"by this stupidity a KKK mob with guns is a militia !"
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"militia is nothing more than a group of armed citizens"
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"by this stupidity a KKK mob is a militia"
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"You do realize that a militia is nothing more than a group of armed citizens , do you ?"
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"by this stupidity a KKK mob with guns is a militia !"
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"You do realize that a militia is nothing more than a group of armed citizens , do you ?"
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"by this stupidity a KKK mob with guns is a militia !"
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"Biotech is one of the up and coming industries . Whichever country dominates the field will have a huge advantage in the coming years . Evolution is one of the corner stones of biology . This is all blatantly obvious . The only thing `` interesting `` , and that mostly from a psychological point of view , is your stand that this is n't obviously true ."
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"Really , where did I say that ? From a psychological point of view it is interesting that you should read that into what I said . It 's akin to the argument that if I debate against one thing in science I must be 'anti-science ' . ( Note : with regards 'The Cross ' you were unhappy to be labelled anti-Christian when you debated against one particular thing - the Cross - you should know how I feel ) But the nationalist science theory of the poster I addressed struck my interest because he tied it in to a specific series of events ; the space race . Even more specifically , the fact that the Soviets beat you . ( Note : They also beat you in putting a woman into space , and also in having a 'space-walk ' ) And it seems that the blame for this is twofold a ) the poor teaching of science and b ) religious people I would like to know - when you talk of 'advantage ' what do you mean . Advantage in what way ? Are you going to respond with more projection ? Or am I not allowed to comment ? It 's funny it 's the 'how dare a non-science person comment on science ' ."
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"The only thing interesting and that mostly from a psychological point of view ,"
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"psychological point of view it is interesting that you should read that into what I said"
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1,277 | 367 |
"Biotech is one of the up and coming industries . Whichever country dominates the field will have a huge advantage in the coming years . Evolution is one of the corner stones of biology . This is all blatantly obvious . The only thing `` interesting `` , and that mostly from a psychological point of view , is your stand that this is n't obviously true ."
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"Really , where did I say that ? From a psychological point of view it is interesting that you should read that into what I said . It 's akin to the argument that if I debate against one thing in science I must be 'anti-science ' . ( Note : with regards 'The Cross ' you were unhappy to be labelled anti-Christian when you debated against one particular thing - the Cross - you should know how I feel ) But the nationalist science theory of the poster I addressed struck my interest because he tied it in to a specific series of events ; the space race . Even more specifically , the fact that the Soviets beat you . ( Note : They also beat you in putting a woman into space , and also in having a 'space-walk ' ) And it seems that the blame for this is twofold a ) the poor teaching of science and b ) religious people I would like to know - when you talk of 'advantage ' what do you mean . Advantage in what way ? Are you going to respond with more projection ? Or am I not allowed to comment ? It 's funny it 's the 'how dare a non-science person comment on science ' ."
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"Biotech is one of the up and coming industries . Whichever country dominates the field will have a huge advantage in the coming years ."
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"Really , where did I say that ? From a psychological point of view it is interesting that you should read that into what I said ."
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1,279 | 367 |
"Biotech is one of the up and coming industries . Whichever country dominates the field will have a huge advantage in the coming years . Evolution is one of the corner stones of biology . This is all blatantly obvious . The only thing `` interesting `` , and that mostly from a psychological point of view , is your stand that this is n't obviously true ."
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"Really , where did I say that ? From a psychological point of view it is interesting that you should read that into what I said . It 's akin to the argument that if I debate against one thing in science I must be 'anti-science ' . ( Note : with regards 'The Cross ' you were unhappy to be labelled anti-Christian when you debated against one particular thing - the Cross - you should know how I feel ) But the nationalist science theory of the poster I addressed struck my interest because he tied it in to a specific series of events ; the space race . Even more specifically , the fact that the Soviets beat you . ( Note : They also beat you in putting a woman into space , and also in having a 'space-walk ' ) And it seems that the blame for this is twofold a ) the poor teaching of science and b ) religious people I would like to know - when you talk of 'advantage ' what do you mean . Advantage in what way ? Are you going to respond with more projection ? Or am I not allowed to comment ? It 's funny it 's the 'how dare a non-science person comment on science ' ."
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"Evolution is one of the corner stones of biology ."
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"where did I say that ? From a psychological point of view it is interesting that you should read that"
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1,278 | 367 |
"Biotech is one of the up and coming industries . Whichever country dominates the field will have a huge advantage in the coming years . Evolution is one of the corner stones of biology . This is all blatantly obvious . The only thing `` interesting `` , and that mostly from a psychological point of view , is your stand that this is n't obviously true ."
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"Really , where did I say that ? From a psychological point of view it is interesting that you should read that into what I said . It 's akin to the argument that if I debate against one thing in science I must be 'anti-science ' . ( Note : with regards 'The Cross ' you were unhappy to be labelled anti-Christian when you debated against one particular thing - the Cross - you should know how I feel ) But the nationalist science theory of the poster I addressed struck my interest because he tied it in to a specific series of events ; the space race . Even more specifically , the fact that the Soviets beat you . ( Note : They also beat you in putting a woman into space , and also in having a 'space-walk ' ) And it seems that the blame for this is twofold a ) the poor teaching of science and b ) religious people I would like to know - when you talk of 'advantage ' what do you mean . Advantage in what way ? Are you going to respond with more projection ? Or am I not allowed to comment ? It 's funny it 's the 'how dare a non-science person comment on science ' ."
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"The only thing `` interesting `` from a psychological point your stand that this is n't obviously true"
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"where did I say that ? From a psychological point it is interesting that you should read that into what I said"
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"Alright , I 'll accept your term of punish . If you did n't fully understand what I was trying to say in my last post , here is a quick run down of it . Abortion = Punish Child If God is good he would n't punish an aborted child Therefore an aborted child will go to heaven If this were not true then God would be punishing the child . I hope this is clear ."
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"What I am trying to point out is that it seemed like you jumped from the term `` punish `` to accusing me of not believing that God would take an aborted child to Heaven . It did n't seem like a logical jump . I know what you meant , but I did n't see the connection ."
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"I 'll accept your term of punish . If you did n't fully understand what I was trying to say in my last post ,"
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"What I am trying to point out is that it seemed like you jumped from the term `` punish `` to accusing me of not believing that God"
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"Alright , I 'll accept your term of punish . If you did n't fully understand what I was trying to say in my last post , here is a quick run down of it . Abortion = Punish Child If God is good he would n't punish an aborted child Therefore an aborted child will go to heaven If this were not true then God would be punishing the child . I hope this is clear ."
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"What I am trying to point out is that it seemed like you jumped from the term `` punish `` to accusing me of not believing that God would take an aborted child to Heaven . It did n't seem like a logical jump . I know what you meant , but I did n't see the connection ."
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"Abortion = Punish Child If God is good he would n't punish an aborted child"
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"the term punish to accusing me of not believing that God"
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"Alright , I 'll accept your term of punish . If you did n't fully understand what I was trying to say in my last post , here is a quick run down of it . Abortion = Punish Child If God is good he would n't punish an aborted child Therefore an aborted child will go to heaven If this were not true then God would be punishing the child . I hope this is clear ."
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"What I am trying to point out is that it seemed like you jumped from the term `` punish `` to accusing me of not believing that God would take an aborted child to Heaven . It did n't seem like a logical jump . I know what you meant , but I did n't see the connection ."
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"If God is good he would n't punish an aborted child Therefore an aborted child will go to heaven"
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"it seemed like you jumped from the term `` punish `` to accusing me of not believing that God would take an aborted child to Heaven ."
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"It is called being diplomatic . I hope you do n't find out why I have to choose my words with such care . The spanish inquistion used to shove a towel all the way down peoples throats wet it so it woud expand and then pull it out . They certainly tortured people at the drop of a hat however maybe they were not that upset by the heliocentric model specifically maybe it was because some people supporting the heliocentric model claimed the concept of life elsewhere ."
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"People make mistakes ( excepting some pro-evolutionists who respond with anger and blame others of 'twisting their words ' . )"
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"It is called being diplomatic certainly tortured people"
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"People make mistakes their words"
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"It is called being diplomatic . I hope you do n't find out why I have to choose my words with such care . The spanish inquistion used to shove a towel all the way down peoples throats wet it so it woud expand and then pull it out . They certainly tortured people at the drop of a hat however maybe they were not that upset by the heliocentric model specifically maybe it was because some people supporting the heliocentric model claimed the concept of life elsewhere ."
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"People make mistakes ( excepting some pro-evolutionists who respond with anger and blame others of 'twisting their words ' . )"
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"It is called being diplomatic . I hope you do n't find out why I have to choose my words with such care ."
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"People make mistakes ( excepting some pro-evolutionists who respond with anger and blame others of 'twisting their words ' . )"
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"It is called being diplomatic . I hope you do n't find out why I have to choose my words with such care . The spanish inquistion used to shove a towel all the way down peoples throats wet it so it woud expand and then pull it out . They certainly tortured people at the drop of a hat however maybe they were not that upset by the heliocentric model specifically maybe it was because some people supporting the heliocentric model claimed the concept of life elsewhere ."
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"People make mistakes ( excepting some pro-evolutionists who respond with anger and blame others of 'twisting their words ' . )"
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"I have to choose my words with such care"
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"People make mistakes"
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"Well they had to be ready to kill at a moments notice ... god could call for it to take care of all the nonbelivers ."
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"Yes Chrstians should be disarmed so the `` moral `` atheists , humanists , pagans who crucified people should rule over us . . . that would give everyone a warm fuzy feeling inside . Matt 26 : 1 And it happened , when Jesus finished all these sayings , He said to His disciples , 2 You know that the Passover is coming after two days , and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified . Of course there are valid reasons why Christ armed His men . Romans 13 : 1 Let every soul be subject to higher authorities , for there is no authority except from God , but the existing authorities have been ordained by God . 2 So that the one resisting authority has opposed the ordinance of God , and the ones opposing will receive judgment to themselves . 3 For the rulers are not a terror to good works , but to the bad . And do you desire not to fear the authority ? Do the good , and you will have praise from it ; 4 for it is a servant of God to you for the good . But if you practice evil , be afraid ; for he does not bear the sword in vain ; for he is a servant of God , an avenger for wrath to the one practicing evil . 5 Because of this , it is necessary to be subject , not only on account of wrath , but also on account of conscience . 6 For on this account you also pay taxes , for they are ministers of God , always giving attention to this very thing . 7 Then give to all their dues : to the one due tax , the tax ; to the one due tribute , the tribute ; to the one due fear , the fear ; to the one due honor , the honor . Luke 11 : 21 When the strong one , having been armed , guards his dwelling , his goods are in peace . 22 But as soon as one stronger than he comes , he overcomes him ; he takes away his armor on which he relied , and deals out his arms . '' a moments notice ... `` Well it appears the guaranteed scheduled time is on the day of judgment . Luke 19 : 27 But these enemies of mine , those not desiring me to reign over them , bring them here and execute them before me ."
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"be ready to kill at a moments notice care of all the nonbelivers"
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"deals out his arms a moments notice Well it appears the guaranteed scheduled time"
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"Well they had to be ready to kill at a moments notice ... god could call for it to take care of all the nonbelivers ."
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"Yes Chrstians should be disarmed so the `` moral `` atheists , humanists , pagans who crucified people should rule over us . . . that would give everyone a warm fuzy feeling inside . Matt 26 : 1 And it happened , when Jesus finished all these sayings , He said to His disciples , 2 You know that the Passover is coming after two days , and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified . Of course there are valid reasons why Christ armed His men . Romans 13 : 1 Let every soul be subject to higher authorities , for there is no authority except from God , but the existing authorities have been ordained by God . 2 So that the one resisting authority has opposed the ordinance of God , and the ones opposing will receive judgment to themselves . 3 For the rulers are not a terror to good works , but to the bad . And do you desire not to fear the authority ? Do the good , and you will have praise from it ; 4 for it is a servant of God to you for the good . But if you practice evil , be afraid ; for he does not bear the sword in vain ; for he is a servant of God , an avenger for wrath to the one practicing evil . 5 Because of this , it is necessary to be subject , not only on account of wrath , but also on account of conscience . 6 For on this account you also pay taxes , for they are ministers of God , always giving attention to this very thing . 7 Then give to all their dues : to the one due tax , the tax ; to the one due tribute , the tribute ; to the one due fear , the fear ; to the one due honor , the honor . Luke 11 : 21 When the strong one , having been armed , guards his dwelling , his goods are in peace . 22 But as soon as one stronger than he comes , he overcomes him ; he takes away his armor on which he relied , and deals out his arms . '' a moments notice ... `` Well it appears the guaranteed scheduled time is on the day of judgment . Luke 19 : 27 But these enemies of mine , those not desiring me to reign over them , bring them here and execute them before me ."
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"they had to be ready to kill"
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"Chrstians should be disarmed that would give everyone a warm fuzy feeling inside"
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"Any SCIENTIST whether creationist or Darwinian can not represent the ID/Creationist side . ONLY creationist theologians and philosophers can . Wow a statement that is both honest and correct from a creationist ! Will wonders never cease !"
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"Yes , but the statement directly contradicts proponents of `` creation science `` and of ID . Their claim is that they are doing science , even though they ca n't show how . Scientists have claimed all along that creationists/IDers are doing philosophy and religion , but not science . That is the problem . They never offer any evidence that supports their assertions , only mythology and superstition . But now we have Ray admitting that creationism and ID are not science and ca n't be included in science . They either philosophy or theology , but not science ."
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"Any SCIENTIST whether creationist or Darwinian can not represent the ID/Creationist side"
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"Scientists have claimed all along that creationists/IDers are doing philosophy and religion"
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"Any SCIENTIST whether creationist or Darwinian can not represent the ID/Creationist side . ONLY creationist theologians and philosophers can . Wow a statement that is both honest and correct from a creationist ! Will wonders never cease !"
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"Yes , but the statement directly contradicts proponents of `` creation science `` and of ID . Their claim is that they are doing science , even though they ca n't show how . Scientists have claimed all along that creationists/IDers are doing philosophy and religion , but not science . That is the problem . They never offer any evidence that supports their assertions , only mythology and superstition . But now we have Ray admitting that creationism and ID are not science and ca n't be included in science . They either philosophy or theology , but not science ."
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"a statement that is both honest and correct from a creationist !"
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"the statement directly contradicts proponents of `` creation science ``"
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"Any SCIENTIST whether creationist or Darwinian can not represent the ID/Creationist side . ONLY creationist theologians and philosophers can . Wow a statement that is both honest and correct from a creationist ! Will wonders never cease !"
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"Yes , but the statement directly contradicts proponents of `` creation science `` and of ID . Their claim is that they are doing science , even though they ca n't show how . Scientists have claimed all along that creationists/IDers are doing philosophy and religion , but not science . That is the problem . They never offer any evidence that supports their assertions , only mythology and superstition . But now we have Ray admitting that creationism and ID are not science and ca n't be included in science . They either philosophy or theology , but not science ."
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"Any SCIENTIST whether creationist or Darwinian can not represent the ID/Creationist side ."
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"Their claim is that they are doing science , even though they ca n't show how"
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"Any SCIENTIST whether creationist or Darwinian can not represent the ID/Creationist side . ONLY creationist theologians and philosophers can . Wow a statement that is both honest and correct from a creationist ! Will wonders never cease !"
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"Yes , but the statement directly contradicts proponents of `` creation science `` and of ID . Their claim is that they are doing science , even though they ca n't show how . Scientists have claimed all along that creationists/IDers are doing philosophy and religion , but not science . That is the problem . They never offer any evidence that supports their assertions , only mythology and superstition . But now we have Ray admitting that creationism and ID are not science and ca n't be included in science . They either philosophy or theology , but not science ."
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"SCIENTIST whether creationist or Darwinian can not represent the ID/Creationist . ONLY creationist theologians and philosophers can"
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"the statement directly contradicts proponents of `` creation science `` and of . They never offer any evidence that supports their assertions"
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"`` Researchers from Knox College find that male college students who held a gun rather than a child 's toy for 15 minutes had elevated levels of testosterone and added three times as much hot sauce to a glass of water that another test subject subsequently had to drink. `` Richard Morin - Perfect 10s and the Odds of a Pink Nursery - washingtonpost.com `` 'The finger pulls the trigger , ' says Leonard Berkowitz , an emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin . 'But the trigger may also pull the finger . It 's not just that having a gun is a convenient way of settling an argument . The weapon itself is a stimulant to violence . ' '' Berkowitz has studied the 'weapons effect ' for more than 40 years . 'There 's no dispute , ' he says . 'Even the sight of guns , which people think of as objects that can hurt others , can induce aggressive ideas . A weapon can function as a conditioned stimulus , eliciting both the thoughts and motor responses associated with its use . ' '' WHY GUNS SHARE THE BLAME - TIME"
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"I 'd be curious if Berkowitz studied whether a sword or club produced the same effect as a firearm ? Short of castrating all boys at the onset of puberty , I 'm afraid boys will be boys ."
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"A weapon can function as a conditioned stimulus , eliciting both the thoughts and motor responses associated with its use"
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"boys will be boys"
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"`` Researchers from Knox College find that male college students who held a gun rather than a child 's toy for 15 minutes had elevated levels of testosterone and added three times as much hot sauce to a glass of water that another test subject subsequently had to drink. `` Richard Morin - Perfect 10s and the Odds of a Pink Nursery - washingtonpost.com `` 'The finger pulls the trigger , ' says Leonard Berkowitz , an emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin . 'But the trigger may also pull the finger . It 's not just that having a gun is a convenient way of settling an argument . The weapon itself is a stimulant to violence . ' '' Berkowitz has studied the 'weapons effect ' for more than 40 years . 'There 's no dispute , ' he says . 'Even the sight of guns , which people think of as objects that can hurt others , can induce aggressive ideas . A weapon can function as a conditioned stimulus , eliciting both the thoughts and motor responses associated with its use . ' '' WHY GUNS SHARE THE BLAME - TIME"
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"I 'd be curious if Berkowitz studied whether a sword or club produced the same effect as a firearm ? Short of castrating all boys at the onset of puberty , I 'm afraid boys will be boys ."
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"find that male college students who held a gun rather than a child 's toy for 15 minutes had elevated levels of testosterone"
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"curious if Berkowitz studied whether a sword or club produced the same effect as a firearm"
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"`` Researchers from Knox College find that male college students who held a gun rather than a child 's toy for 15 minutes had elevated levels of testosterone and added three times as much hot sauce to a glass of water that another test subject subsequently had to drink. `` Richard Morin - Perfect 10s and the Odds of a Pink Nursery - washingtonpost.com `` 'The finger pulls the trigger , ' says Leonard Berkowitz , an emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin . 'But the trigger may also pull the finger . It 's not just that having a gun is a convenient way of settling an argument . The weapon itself is a stimulant to violence . ' '' Berkowitz has studied the 'weapons effect ' for more than 40 years . 'There 's no dispute , ' he says . 'Even the sight of guns , which people think of as objects that can hurt others , can induce aggressive ideas . A weapon can function as a conditioned stimulus , eliciting both the thoughts and motor responses associated with its use . ' '' WHY GUNS SHARE THE BLAME - TIME"
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"I 'd be curious if Berkowitz studied whether a sword or club produced the same effect as a firearm ? Short of castrating all boys at the onset of puberty , I 'm afraid boys will be boys ."
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"the sight of guns , which people think of as objects that can hurt others , can induce aggressive ideas ."
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"Berkowitz studied whether a sword or club produced the same effect as a firearm ?"
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"Hello , I think that is is at least a double standard to oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research and then to authorize , plan , and execute an offensive war . It makes no sense to value unborn life and then devalue fully functioning human life . Am I the only one who sees a conflict here ?"
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"Well , the people in Iraqu that we are killing are terrorists that just want to make chaos so they can come to power in the confution . We also went to war to remove Saadam from power . He killed 200,000 people . most of them were tortured to death . So yes it makes more sense to kill terrorists that are trying to kill as many people as possible than to kill little children that have not been born . Besides , babies are so cute"
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"at least a double standard to oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research and then to authorize , plan , and execute an offensive war"
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"the people in Iraqu that we are killing are terrorists that just want to make chaos so they can come to power in the confution"
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"Hello , I think that is is at least a double standard to oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research and then to authorize , plan , and execute an offensive war . It makes no sense to value unborn life and then devalue fully functioning human life . Am I the only one who sees a conflict here ?"
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"Well , the people in Iraqu that we are killing are terrorists that just want to make chaos so they can come to power in the confution . We also went to war to remove Saadam from power . He killed 200,000 people . most of them were tortured to death . So yes it makes more sense to kill terrorists that are trying to kill as many people as possible than to kill little children that have not been born . Besides , babies are so cute"
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"It makes no sense to value unborn life and then devalue fully functioning human life"
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"it makes more sense to kill terrorists that are trying to kill as many people as possible than to kill little children that have not been born"
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"Hello , I think that is is at least a double standard to oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research and then to authorize , plan , and execute an offensive war . It makes no sense to value unborn life and then devalue fully functioning human life . Am I the only one who sees a conflict here ?"
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"Well , the people in Iraqu that we are killing are terrorists that just want to make chaos so they can come to power in the confution . We also went to war to remove Saadam from power . He killed 200,000 people . most of them were tortured to death . So yes it makes more sense to kill terrorists that are trying to kill as many people as possible than to kill little children that have not been born . Besides , babies are so cute"
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"oppose abortion and embryonic stem cell research and then to authorize , plan , and execute an offensive war ."
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"So yes it makes more sense to kill terrorists that are trying to kill as many people as possible than to kill little children that have not been born ."
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"The capital of our nation has set a good example for the rest of our nation ."
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"Yes , with a crime rate larger than New York City , Chicago , Philadelphia , San Francisco , Los Angeles , Indianapolis , and Las Vegas , they 're a wonderful example to follow , are n't they ?"
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"The capital of our nation has set a good example for the rest of our nation ."
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"they 're a wonderful example to follow , are n't they ?"
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"The capital of our nation has set a good example for the rest of our nation ."
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"Yes , with a crime rate larger than New York City , Chicago , Philadelphia , San Francisco , Los Angeles , Indianapolis , and Las Vegas , they 're a wonderful example to follow , are n't they ?"
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"capital of our nation has set a good example for the rest of our nation"
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"Yes , with a crime rate larger than New York City , Chicago , Philadelphia , San Francisco , Los Angeles , Indianapolis , and Las Vegas , they 're a wonderful example"
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"The capital of our nation has set a good example for the rest of our nation ."
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"Yes , with a crime rate larger than New York City , Chicago , Philadelphia , San Francisco , Los Angeles , Indianapolis , and Las Vegas , they 're a wonderful example to follow , are n't they ?"
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"The capital of our nation has set a good example for the rest of our nation ."
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"with a crime rate larger than New York City , Chicago , Philadelphia , San Francisco , Los Angeles , Indianapolis , and Las Vegas"
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"Finally , a reasonable argument for abortion on demand ."
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"Ho ho ho ."
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"a reasonable argument for abortion on demand ."
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"Ho ho ho"
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"Finally , a reasonable argument for abortion on demand ."
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"Ho ho ho ."
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"Finally , a reasonable argument for abortion on demand ."
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"Ho ho ho ."
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"Finally , a reasonable argument for abortion on demand ."
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"Ho ho ho ."
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"a reasonable argument for abortion on demand ."
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"Ho ho ho"
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"Jefferson warned us against foreign entanglements ."
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"So why did we spend 600 billion on the Iraq war ?"
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"Jefferson warned us against foreign entanglements ."
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"why did we spend 600 billion on the Iraq war ?"
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"Jefferson warned us against foreign entanglements ."
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"So why did we spend 600 billion on the Iraq war ?"
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"Jefferson warned us against foreign entanglements ."
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"So why did we spend 600 billion on the Iraq war ?"
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"A pistol-packing , 80-year-old Bronx man was arrested on gun charges after he tried to turn the tables on a mugger who beat him and stole his Social Security money , authorities said yesterday . Feisty Lester Campbell - a retired security guard who cops said was carrying a hidden , unlicensed .38-caliber handgun - cashed his $ 262 Social Security check near his home on East 139th Street in Mott Haven at 10 a.m. Monday ."
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"11/30/03 Some undesirable consequences of New York City 's gun control laws Gee Wiz Brady , now you are reaching all the way back to 2003 ? You are indeed a strange bird !"
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"A pistol-packing , 80-year-old Bronx man was arrested on gun charges after he tried to turn the tables on a mugger who beat him and stole his Social Security money"
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"Some undesirable consequences of New York City 's gun control laws"
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"Now that 's a bald-faced lie"
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"No - it 's not . Your stand on rape victims proves it ."
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"Now that 's a bald-faced lie"
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"No - it 's not . Your stand on rape victims proves it"
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"Who was it that said `` Americans will tolerate anything so long as it does not disrupt traffic `` ? If it was simply a question of putting one abortion clinic out of operation , then yes , protesting wya from that clinic would be inappropriate . That is nto what we are talkling about here , though . They are protesting abortion as an institution . With that being the case , restricting their protest to that clinic would be inappropriate . I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? That is pretty much the point . People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .. I had a dinner party not long ago and invited an army buddy of mine who hapened to be in the area . After dinner , there was a `` loud conversation `` between my army buddy , a staunch conservative , and a guy who was pro bush ( which pretty much makes you automatically NOT a staunch conservative ) . They were arguing about the Iraq war . My army buddy , who just served a hitch in Iraq , pulled out a stack of photos when the guy started parroting the bush administrations line about helping the iraqi people . They were photos of civilians , mostly little kids , who were blown apart by US troops . My friend had taken them in Iraq , then mailed them while he was on leave because the US ARmy does NOT allow you to go home with pictures like that ( another of those new secret policies ) . The pro-war guy ran out the back door and puked on my lawn . When he came back in , I jokingly said `` so did he change your mind , Chuck `` . to which my buddy replied `` I think he just changed my entire life , political affiliations , and religon in 30 seconds `` . Someitmes that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice , especially when you are talking deaths or body counts ."
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"Well that was a lovely story and cudos on working in the anti-war angle . No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective . As I said , I am strongly against abortion , I have seen the same pictures many times before . My complaint is the virtual forcing of all citizens to view the photos as they drive down a public roadway , and the harrassing of motorists at stop lights . Mainly my point in posting this thread was to try to find out if this was a common type of anti-abortion protest in other parts of the country . I 'm quite sure many other `` conservatives `` will view this type of protest as a wonderful thing . I think it actually works against the anti-abortion movement and alienates potential supporters ."
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"I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice ,"
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"No , the 50 or more GIANT posters do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective I think it actually works against the anti-abortion movement and alienates potential supporters ."
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"Who was it that said `` Americans will tolerate anything so long as it does not disrupt traffic `` ? If it was simply a question of putting one abortion clinic out of operation , then yes , protesting wya from that clinic would be inappropriate . That is nto what we are talkling about here , though . They are protesting abortion as an institution . With that being the case , restricting their protest to that clinic would be inappropriate . I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? That is pretty much the point . People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .. I had a dinner party not long ago and invited an army buddy of mine who hapened to be in the area . After dinner , there was a `` loud conversation `` between my army buddy , a staunch conservative , and a guy who was pro bush ( which pretty much makes you automatically NOT a staunch conservative ) . They were arguing about the Iraq war . My army buddy , who just served a hitch in Iraq , pulled out a stack of photos when the guy started parroting the bush administrations line about helping the iraqi people . They were photos of civilians , mostly little kids , who were blown apart by US troops . My friend had taken them in Iraq , then mailed them while he was on leave because the US ARmy does NOT allow you to go home with pictures like that ( another of those new secret policies ) . The pro-war guy ran out the back door and puked on my lawn . When he came back in , I jokingly said `` so did he change your mind , Chuck `` . to which my buddy replied `` I think he just changed my entire life , political affiliations , and religon in 30 seconds `` . Someitmes that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice , especially when you are talking deaths or body counts ."
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"Well that was a lovely story and cudos on working in the anti-war angle . No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective . As I said , I am strongly against abortion , I have seen the same pictures many times before . My complaint is the virtual forcing of all citizens to view the photos as they drive down a public roadway , and the harrassing of motorists at stop lights . Mainly my point in posting this thread was to try to find out if this was a common type of anti-abortion protest in other parts of the country . I 'm quite sure many other `` conservatives `` will view this type of protest as a wonderful thing . I think it actually works against the anti-abortion movement and alienates potential supporters ."
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"People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .. I had a dinner party not long ago and invited an army buddy of mine who hapened to be in the area . After dinner , there was a `` loud conversation `` between my army buddy , a staunch conservative , and a guy who was pro bush ( which pretty much makes you automatically NOT a staunch conservative ) . They were arguing about the Iraq war . My army buddy , who just served a hitch in Iraq , pulled out a stack of photos when the guy started parroting the bush administrations line about helping the iraqi people . They were photos of civilians , mostly little kids , who were blown apart by US troops"
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"No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective . As I said , I am strongly against abortion , I have seen the same pictures many times before . My complaint is the virtual forcing of all citizens to view the photos as they drive down a public roadway , and the harrassing of motorists at stop lights"
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"Who was it that said `` Americans will tolerate anything so long as it does not disrupt traffic `` ? If it was simply a question of putting one abortion clinic out of operation , then yes , protesting wya from that clinic would be inappropriate . That is nto what we are talkling about here , though . They are protesting abortion as an institution . With that being the case , restricting their protest to that clinic would be inappropriate . I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? That is pretty much the point . People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .. I had a dinner party not long ago and invited an army buddy of mine who hapened to be in the area . After dinner , there was a `` loud conversation `` between my army buddy , a staunch conservative , and a guy who was pro bush ( which pretty much makes you automatically NOT a staunch conservative ) . They were arguing about the Iraq war . My army buddy , who just served a hitch in Iraq , pulled out a stack of photos when the guy started parroting the bush administrations line about helping the iraqi people . They were photos of civilians , mostly little kids , who were blown apart by US troops . My friend had taken them in Iraq , then mailed them while he was on leave because the US ARmy does NOT allow you to go home with pictures like that ( another of those new secret policies ) . The pro-war guy ran out the back door and puked on my lawn . When he came back in , I jokingly said `` so did he change your mind , Chuck `` . to which my buddy replied `` I think he just changed my entire life , political affiliations , and religon in 30 seconds `` . Someitmes that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice , especially when you are talking deaths or body counts ."
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"Well that was a lovely story and cudos on working in the anti-war angle . No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective . As I said , I am strongly against abortion , I have seen the same pictures many times before . My complaint is the virtual forcing of all citizens to view the photos as they drive down a public roadway , and the harrassing of motorists at stop lights . Mainly my point in posting this thread was to try to find out if this was a common type of anti-abortion protest in other parts of the country . I 'm quite sure many other `` conservatives `` will view this type of protest as a wonderful thing . I think it actually works against the anti-abortion movement and alienates potential supporters ."
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"tolerate anything traffic abortion clinic , inappropriate protesting abortion as an institution conservative , take notice , deaths or body counts"
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"posters roadway do not affect me personaly shock perspective strongly against abortion , virtual forcing harrassing of motorists anti-abortion protest conservatives alienates potential supporters"
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1,322 | 379 |
"Who was it that said `` Americans will tolerate anything so long as it does not disrupt traffic `` ? If it was simply a question of putting one abortion clinic out of operation , then yes , protesting wya from that clinic would be inappropriate . That is nto what we are talkling about here , though . They are protesting abortion as an institution . With that being the case , restricting their protest to that clinic would be inappropriate . I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? That is pretty much the point . People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .. I had a dinner party not long ago and invited an army buddy of mine who hapened to be in the area . After dinner , there was a `` loud conversation `` between my army buddy , a staunch conservative , and a guy who was pro bush ( which pretty much makes you automatically NOT a staunch conservative ) . They were arguing about the Iraq war . My army buddy , who just served a hitch in Iraq , pulled out a stack of photos when the guy started parroting the bush administrations line about helping the iraqi people . They were photos of civilians , mostly little kids , who were blown apart by US troops . My friend had taken them in Iraq , then mailed them while he was on leave because the US ARmy does NOT allow you to go home with pictures like that ( another of those new secret policies ) . The pro-war guy ran out the back door and puked on my lawn . When he came back in , I jokingly said `` so did he change your mind , Chuck `` . to which my buddy replied `` I think he just changed my entire life , political affiliations , and religon in 30 seconds `` . Someitmes that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice , especially when you are talking deaths or body counts ."
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"Well that was a lovely story and cudos on working in the anti-war angle . No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective . As I said , I am strongly against abortion , I have seen the same pictures many times before . My complaint is the virtual forcing of all citizens to view the photos as they drive down a public roadway , and the harrassing of motorists at stop lights . Mainly my point in posting this thread was to try to find out if this was a common type of anti-abortion protest in other parts of the country . I 'm quite sure many other `` conservatives `` will view this type of protest as a wonderful thing . I think it actually works against the anti-abortion movement and alienates potential supporters ."
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"Who was it that said `` Americans will tolerate anything so long as it does not disrupt traffic `` ? If it was simply a question of putting one abortion clinic out of operation , then yes , protesting wya from that clinic would be inappropriate . That is nto what we are talkling about here , though . They are protesting abortion as an"
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"Well that was a lovely story and cudos on working in the anti-war angle ."
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"Who was it that said `` Americans will tolerate anything so long as it does not disrupt traffic `` ? If it was simply a question of putting one abortion clinic out of operation , then yes , protesting wya from that clinic would be inappropriate . That is nto what we are talkling about here , though . They are protesting abortion as an institution . With that being the case , restricting their protest to that clinic would be inappropriate . I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? That is pretty much the point . People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .. I had a dinner party not long ago and invited an army buddy of mine who hapened to be in the area . After dinner , there was a `` loud conversation `` between my army buddy , a staunch conservative , and a guy who was pro bush ( which pretty much makes you automatically NOT a staunch conservative ) . They were arguing about the Iraq war . My army buddy , who just served a hitch in Iraq , pulled out a stack of photos when the guy started parroting the bush administrations line about helping the iraqi people . They were photos of civilians , mostly little kids , who were blown apart by US troops . My friend had taken them in Iraq , then mailed them while he was on leave because the US ARmy does NOT allow you to go home with pictures like that ( another of those new secret policies ) . The pro-war guy ran out the back door and puked on my lawn . When he came back in , I jokingly said `` so did he change your mind , Chuck `` . to which my buddy replied `` I think he just changed my entire life , political affiliations , and religon in 30 seconds `` . Someitmes that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice , especially when you are talking deaths or body counts ."
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"Well that was a lovely story and cudos on working in the anti-war angle . No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective . As I said , I am strongly against abortion , I have seen the same pictures many times before . My complaint is the virtual forcing of all citizens to view the photos as they drive down a public roadway , and the harrassing of motorists at stop lights . Mainly my point in posting this thread was to try to find out if this was a common type of anti-abortion protest in other parts of the country . I 'm quite sure many other `` conservatives `` will view this type of protest as a wonderful thing . I think it actually works against the anti-abortion movement and alienates potential supporters ."
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"was that a , . the and in the on The pro-war guy ran out the back door and puked on my lawn . When he came back in , I jokingly said `` so did he change your mind , Chuck `` . to which my buddy replied `` I think he just changed my entire life , political affiliations , and religon in 30 seconds `` . Someitmes that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice , especially when you are talking deaths or body counts ."
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"No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective ."
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"Who was it that said `` Americans will tolerate anything so long as it does not disrupt traffic `` ? If it was simply a question of putting one abortion clinic out of operation , then yes , protesting wya from that clinic would be inappropriate . That is nto what we are talkling about here , though . They are protesting abortion as an institution . With that being the case , restricting their protest to that clinic would be inappropriate . I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? That is pretty much the point . People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .. I had a dinner party not long ago and invited an army buddy of mine who hapened to be in the area . After dinner , there was a `` loud conversation `` between my army buddy , a staunch conservative , and a guy who was pro bush ( which pretty much makes you automatically NOT a staunch conservative ) . They were arguing about the Iraq war . My army buddy , who just served a hitch in Iraq , pulled out a stack of photos when the guy started parroting the bush administrations line about helping the iraqi people . They were photos of civilians , mostly little kids , who were blown apart by US troops . My friend had taken them in Iraq , then mailed them while he was on leave because the US ARmy does NOT allow you to go home with pictures like that ( another of those new secret policies ) . The pro-war guy ran out the back door and puked on my lawn . When he came back in , I jokingly said `` so did he change your mind , Chuck `` . to which my buddy replied `` I think he just changed my entire life , political affiliations , and religon in 30 seconds `` . Someitmes that is what it takes for people to sit up and take notice , especially when you are talking deaths or body counts ."
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"Well that was a lovely story and cudos on working in the anti-war angle . No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective . As I said , I am strongly against abortion , I have seen the same pictures many times before . My complaint is the virtual forcing of all citizens to view the photos as they drive down a public roadway , and the harrassing of motorists at stop lights . Mainly my point in posting this thread was to try to find out if this was a common type of anti-abortion protest in other parts of the country . I 'm quite sure many other `` conservatives `` will view this type of protest as a wonderful thing . I think it actually works against the anti-abortion movement and alienates potential supporters ."
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"I take it you found the pictures disturbing ? That is pretty much the point . People genberally have a lot of trouble getting their heads around things like abortion , war , etc .."
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"No , the 50 or more GIANT posters in a row alongside a public ( taxpayer funded ) roadway do not affect me personaly in any way from a shock perspective ."
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"They both like to indoctrinate the young . That was the point ."
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"And where exactly is your proof that `` Stop , do n't touch , leave the area , tell an adult `` is indoctrination and translates to `` go out and buy a gun , buy as many guns as possible , obsess over the gun , etc. ``"
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"indoctrinate the young"
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"where exactly is your proof , , tell an adult gun"
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"They both like to indoctrinate the young . That was the point ."
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"And where exactly is your proof that `` Stop , do n't touch , leave the area , tell an adult `` is indoctrination and translates to `` go out and buy a gun , buy as many guns as possible , obsess over the gun , etc. ``"
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"They both like to indoctrinate the young"
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"And where exactly is your proof that `` Stop , do n't touch , leave the area , tell an adult `` is indoctrination and translates to `` go out and buy a gun ,"
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1,328 | 380 |
"They both like to indoctrinate the young . That was the point ."
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"And where exactly is your proof that `` Stop , do n't touch , leave the area , tell an adult `` is indoctrination and translates to `` go out and buy a gun , buy as many guns as possible , obsess over the gun , etc. ``"
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"They both like to indoctrinate the young"
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"where exactly is your proof that `` Stop , do n't touch , leave the area , tell an adult `` is indoctrination"
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1,326 | 380 |
"They both like to indoctrinate the young . That was the point ."
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"And where exactly is your proof that `` Stop , do n't touch , leave the area , tell an adult `` is indoctrination and translates to `` go out and buy a gun , buy as many guns as possible , obsess over the gun , etc. ``"
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"They both like to indoctrinate the young . That was the point ."
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"And where exactly is your proof that `` Stop , do n't touch , leave the area , tell an adult"
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"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith . Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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"ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance ,"
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1,329 | 381 |
"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith . Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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"gun fetishists"
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"comparison of constitutional rights , to deviant sexual acts has reached point of intolerance cut it out"
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1,331 | 381 |
"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith . Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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"gun fetishists"
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"exercising their constitutional rights , deviant illegal sexual acts , point of intolerance , fetish , reported banned"
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1,332 | 381 |
"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith . Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith . Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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1,330 | 381 |
"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith . Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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1,333 | 381 |
"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith . Every time you mention the word fetish , you 're gon na be reported . So unless you wan na get banned cut it out ."
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"it ought but it wo n't , at least not the gun fetishists in this forum"
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"Your continued comparison of a person exercising their constitutional rights , to engaging in deviant and possibly illegal sexual acts , has reached the point of intolerance , Smith ."
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"That ’ s why today , after what happened to George Tiller , I know that the only thing that will assuage my personal grief over his shocking loss is for leaders across our nation to join me in expressing outrage at this heinous crime , this domestic terrorism . And yes , they need to call it out in exactly those terms . That ’ s what it is . I want to hear massive outrage on the part of the community . I want it to start with President Obama . His statement today is a good beginning . But that ’ s not nearly enough . He must immediately outline an action plan to increase federal protection for providers and clinics and call for stringent enforcement of the Federal Access to Clinic Entrances Act . He has an opportunity to make a speech that addresses women ’ s moral right to reproductive self-determination as passionately as his brilliant speech about race did during the primary . He can and should lead the nation to a larger and more productive conversation about the complex choices women make , and why women deserve the respect , equality and justice inherent in the right to choose to have , or not have , a child . He should bring together pro-choice and anti-choice leaders and get them to issue a joint statement decrying Tiller ’ s murder as well as all such violent opposition to one another ’ s efforts . Now that would be real common ground . .... The silence overall from leaders so far has been deafening , as attorney and longtime Arizona volunteer for reproductive rights causes Leon Silver pointed out . And if our leaders remain silent , I can tell you with perfect assurance what will happen next . There will be more violence . Dr. Tiller ’ s friends , family , patients , colleagues and the many pro-choice activists who have supported him over the years need the vigil in Wichita and those springing up elsewhere to mourn the 67-year-old doctor ’ s death and celebrate his exceptional life . The larger community of reproductive health professionals and activists , including those who bravely escort women safely into and out of health facilities for abortions , need to cry and hug and lift one another up on the wings of their convictions that they are doing God ’ s work , saving women ’ s lives in the fullest sense of the word . I am with them in spirit . But when it comes to changing a culture that has marginalized abortion by shaming women and hounding , even murdering , the doctors and clinic staff who provide safe abortions , when it comes to changing a culture bent on shaming women who are , in all good conscience , making the most moral of personal decisions -- candlelight vigils alone will never be enough ."
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"George Tiller needs more than candlelight vigils | Salon Life"
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"George Tiller , personal grief shocking loss join me candlelight vigils alone will never be enough"
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"George Tiller needs more than candlelight vigils"
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"That ’ s why today , after what happened to George Tiller , I know that the only thing that will assuage my personal grief over his shocking loss is for leaders across our nation to join me in expressing outrage at this heinous crime , this domestic terrorism . And yes , they need to call it out in exactly those terms . That ’ s what it is . I want to hear massive outrage on the part of the community . I want it to start with President Obama . His statement today is a good beginning . But that ’ s not nearly enough . He must immediately outline an action plan to increase federal protection for providers and clinics and call for stringent enforcement of the Federal Access to Clinic Entrances Act . He has an opportunity to make a speech that addresses women ’ s moral right to reproductive self-determination as passionately as his brilliant speech about race did during the primary . He can and should lead the nation to a larger and more productive conversation about the complex choices women make , and why women deserve the respect , equality and justice inherent in the right to choose to have , or not have , a child . He should bring together pro-choice and anti-choice leaders and get them to issue a joint statement decrying Tiller ’ s murder as well as all such violent opposition to one another ’ s efforts . Now that would be real common ground . .... The silence overall from leaders so far has been deafening , as attorney and longtime Arizona volunteer for reproductive rights causes Leon Silver pointed out . And if our leaders remain silent , I can tell you with perfect assurance what will happen next . There will be more violence . Dr. Tiller ’ s friends , family , patients , colleagues and the many pro-choice activists who have supported him over the years need the vigil in Wichita and those springing up elsewhere to mourn the 67-year-old doctor ’ s death and celebrate his exceptional life . The larger community of reproductive health professionals and activists , including those who bravely escort women safely into and out of health facilities for abortions , need to cry and hug and lift one another up on the wings of their convictions that they are doing God ’ s work , saving women ’ s lives in the fullest sense of the word . I am with them in spirit . But when it comes to changing a culture that has marginalized abortion by shaming women and hounding , even murdering , the doctors and clinic staff who provide safe abortions , when it comes to changing a culture bent on shaming women who are , in all good conscience , making the most moral of personal decisions -- candlelight vigils alone will never be enough ."
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"George Tiller needs more than candlelight vigils | Salon Life"
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"I want it to start with President Obama . His statement today is a good beginning . But that ’ s not nearly enough . He must immediately outline an action plan to increase federal protection for providers and clinics and call for stringent enforcement of the Federal Access to Clinic Entrances Act ."
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"George Tiller needs more than candlelight vigils"
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"That ’ s why today , after what happened to George Tiller , I know that the only thing that will assuage my personal grief over his shocking loss is for leaders across our nation to join me in expressing outrage at this heinous crime , this domestic terrorism . And yes , they need to call it out in exactly those terms . That ’ s what it is . I want to hear massive outrage on the part of the community . I want it to start with President Obama . His statement today is a good beginning . But that ’ s not nearly enough . He must immediately outline an action plan to increase federal protection for providers and clinics and call for stringent enforcement of the Federal Access to Clinic Entrances Act . He has an opportunity to make a speech that addresses women ’ s moral right to reproductive self-determination as passionately as his brilliant speech about race did during the primary . He can and should lead the nation to a larger and more productive conversation about the complex choices women make , and why women deserve the respect , equality and justice inherent in the right to choose to have , or not have , a child . He should bring together pro-choice and anti-choice leaders and get them to issue a joint statement decrying Tiller ’ s murder as well as all such violent opposition to one another ’ s efforts . Now that would be real common ground . .... The silence overall from leaders so far has been deafening , as attorney and longtime Arizona volunteer for reproductive rights causes Leon Silver pointed out . And if our leaders remain silent , I can tell you with perfect assurance what will happen next . There will be more violence . Dr. Tiller ’ s friends , family , patients , colleagues and the many pro-choice activists who have supported him over the years need the vigil in Wichita and those springing up elsewhere to mourn the 67-year-old doctor ’ s death and celebrate his exceptional life . The larger community of reproductive health professionals and activists , including those who bravely escort women safely into and out of health facilities for abortions , need to cry and hug and lift one another up on the wings of their convictions that they are doing God ’ s work , saving women ’ s lives in the fullest sense of the word . I am with them in spirit . But when it comes to changing a culture that has marginalized abortion by shaming women and hounding , even murdering , the doctors and clinic staff who provide safe abortions , when it comes to changing a culture bent on shaming women who are , in all good conscience , making the most moral of personal decisions -- candlelight vigils alone will never be enough ."
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"George Tiller needs more than candlelight vigils | Salon Life"
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"I know that the only thing that will assuage my personal grief over his shocking loss is for leaders across our nation to join me in expressing outrage at this heinous crime , this domestic terrorism . And yes , they need to call it out in exactly those terms . That ’ s what it is . I want to hear massive outrage on the part of the community . I want it to start with President Obama . His statement today is a good beginning . But that ’ s not nearly enough . He must immediately outline an action plan to increase federal protection for providers and clinics and call for stringent enforcement of the Federal Access to Clinic Entrances Act . He has an opportunity to make a speech that addresses women ’ s moral right to reproductive self-determination as passionately as his brilliant speech about race did during the primary . He can and should lead the nation to a larger and more productive conversation about the complex choices women make , and why women deserve the respect , equality and justice inherent in the right to choose to have , or not have , a child ."
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"George Tiller needs more than candlelight vigils | Salon Life"
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"I hope you dont believe everything that is written in a textbook that has been changed over and over . The Bible never has ."
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"Actually the Bible has changed , not to mention had omissions ."
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"that is written in a textbook that has been changed over and over . The Bible never has ."
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"the Bible has changed , not to mention had omissions"
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"I hope you dont believe everything that is written in a textbook that has been changed over and over . The Bible never has ."
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"Actually the Bible has changed , not to mention had omissions ."
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"I hope you dont believe everything that is written in a textbook that has been changed over and over . The Bible never has ."
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"Actually the Bible has changed , not to mention had omissions ."
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"I hope you dont believe everything that is written in a textbook that has been changed over and over . The Bible never has ."
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"Actually the Bible has changed , not to mention had omissions ."
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"changed over and over Bible never has"
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"Bible has changed , had omissions"
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"I hope you dont believe everything that is written in a textbook that has been changed over and over . The Bible never has ."
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"Actually the Bible has changed , not to mention had omissions ."
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"I hope you dont believe everything that is written in a textbook that has been changed over and over . The Bible never has ."
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"Actually the Bible has changed , not to mention had omissions ."
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1,352 | 384 |
"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder . You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing . Pouring bleach down a toilet is killing : it kills bacteria . Slaughtering a cow for meat is killing . Murder is an illegal killing of a human . For an abortion to be murder , a country must define the embryo and/ or fetus as a human and must make the killing of that embryo and/ or fetus illegal . As to the idea that we are all glad we were not aborted , this is a nonsense statement . It 's like being glad that my house did n't blow up last night killing me in my sleep before I knew what had happened . On that note , I 'm really glad I did n't suffer a heart attack whilst typing this reply ! We are taking thousands of lives . It 's whether the killing is justified that is important . That is what the whole abortion debate comes down to : does a woman have the right to chose to kill a fetus that is growing within her ."
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"You seem fairly intelligent . However , it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder . You see , you are speaking in terms of legal jargon as it is applied inside a particular country . I 'm referring to the moral implications of taking the life of a defenseless person without its consent . I might have better represented my argument to you by stating : we will never know with absolute certainty whether or not am unborn human constitutes a person , and thus whether or not aborting them constitutes killing them , i.e . murder in a strictly moral , and not political , sense . In response to your attacking on my saying we are glad we were n't aborted , yeah it has no bearing on my argument and I put it in for fun . Good for you to spot it ."
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"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder . You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing . Pouring bleach down a toilet is killing : it kills bacteria . Slaughtering a cow for meat is killing . Murder is an illegal killing of a human ."
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"You seem fairly intelligent . However , it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder ."
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"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder . You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing . Pouring bleach down a toilet is killing : it kills bacteria . Slaughtering a cow for meat is killing . Murder is an illegal killing of a human . For an abortion to be murder , a country must define the embryo and/ or fetus as a human and must make the killing of that embryo and/ or fetus illegal . As to the idea that we are all glad we were not aborted , this is a nonsense statement . It 's like being glad that my house did n't blow up last night killing me in my sleep before I knew what had happened . On that note , I 'm really glad I did n't suffer a heart attack whilst typing this reply ! We are taking thousands of lives . It 's whether the killing is justified that is important . That is what the whole abortion debate comes down to : does a woman have the right to chose to kill a fetus that is growing within her ."
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"You seem fairly intelligent . However , it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder . You see , you are speaking in terms of legal jargon as it is applied inside a particular country . I 'm referring to the moral implications of taking the life of a defenseless person without its consent . I might have better represented my argument to you by stating : we will never know with absolute certainty whether or not am unborn human constitutes a person , and thus whether or not aborting them constitutes killing them , i.e . murder in a strictly moral , and not political , sense . In response to your attacking on my saying we are glad we were n't aborted , yeah it has no bearing on my argument and I put it in for fun . Good for you to spot it ."
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"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder ."
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"it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder ."
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"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder . You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing . Pouring bleach down a toilet is killing : it kills bacteria . Slaughtering a cow for meat is killing . Murder is an illegal killing of a human . For an abortion to be murder , a country must define the embryo and/ or fetus as a human and must make the killing of that embryo and/ or fetus illegal . As to the idea that we are all glad we were not aborted , this is a nonsense statement . It 's like being glad that my house did n't blow up last night killing me in my sleep before I knew what had happened . On that note , I 'm really glad I did n't suffer a heart attack whilst typing this reply ! We are taking thousands of lives . It 's whether the killing is justified that is important . That is what the whole abortion debate comes down to : does a woman have the right to chose to kill a fetus that is growing within her ."
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"You seem fairly intelligent . However , it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder . You see , you are speaking in terms of legal jargon as it is applied inside a particular country . I 'm referring to the moral implications of taking the life of a defenseless person without its consent . I might have better represented my argument to you by stating : we will never know with absolute certainty whether or not am unborn human constitutes a person , and thus whether or not aborting them constitutes killing them , i.e . murder in a strictly moral , and not political , sense . In response to your attacking on my saying we are glad we were n't aborted , yeah it has no bearing on my argument and I put it in for fun . Good for you to spot it ."
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"You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing"
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"is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder ."
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1,351 | 384 |
"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder . You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing . Pouring bleach down a toilet is killing : it kills bacteria . Slaughtering a cow for meat is killing . Murder is an illegal killing of a human . For an abortion to be murder , a country must define the embryo and/ or fetus as a human and must make the killing of that embryo and/ or fetus illegal . As to the idea that we are all glad we were not aborted , this is a nonsense statement . It 's like being glad that my house did n't blow up last night killing me in my sleep before I knew what had happened . On that note , I 'm really glad I did n't suffer a heart attack whilst typing this reply ! We are taking thousands of lives . It 's whether the killing is justified that is important . That is what the whole abortion debate comes down to : does a woman have the right to chose to kill a fetus that is growing within her ."
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"You seem fairly intelligent . However , it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder . You see , you are speaking in terms of legal jargon as it is applied inside a particular country . I 'm referring to the moral implications of taking the life of a defenseless person without its consent . I might have better represented my argument to you by stating : we will never know with absolute certainty whether or not am unborn human constitutes a person , and thus whether or not aborting them constitutes killing them , i.e . murder in a strictly moral , and not political , sense . In response to your attacking on my saying we are glad we were n't aborted , yeah it has no bearing on my argument and I put it in for fun . Good for you to spot it ."
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"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder . You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing . Pouring bleach down a toilet is killing : it kills bacteria . Slaughtering a cow for meat is killing . Murder is an illegal killing of a human . For an abortion to be murder , a country must define the embryo and/ or fetus as a human and must make the killing of that embryo and/ or fetus illegal . As to the idea that we are all glad we were not aborted , this is a nonsense statement"
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"You seem fairly intelligent . However , it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder . You see , you are speaking in terms of legal jargon as it is applied inside a particular country . I 'm referring to the moral implications of taking the life of a defenseless person without its consent . I might have better represented my argument to you by stating : we will never know with absolute certainty whether or not am unborn human constitutes a person , and thus whether or not aborting them constitutes killing them , i.e . murder in a strictly moral , and not political , sense"
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1,347 | 384 |
"Abortion is murder in countries that define it as murder . It is n't murder in those that do not define it as murder . You seem highly confused over the terms murder and killing . Pouring bleach down a toilet is killing : it kills bacteria . Slaughtering a cow for meat is killing . Murder is an illegal killing of a human . For an abortion to be murder , a country must define the embryo and/ or fetus as a human and must make the killing of that embryo and/ or fetus illegal . As to the idea that we are all glad we were not aborted , this is a nonsense statement . It 's like being glad that my house did n't blow up last night killing me in my sleep before I knew what had happened . On that note , I 'm really glad I did n't suffer a heart attack whilst typing this reply ! We are taking thousands of lives . It 's whether the killing is justified that is important . That is what the whole abortion debate comes down to : does a woman have the right to chose to kill a fetus that is growing within her ."
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"You seem fairly intelligent . However , it is you who seems `` highly confused `` over the definition of murder . You see , you are speaking in terms of legal jargon as it is applied inside a particular country . I 'm referring to the moral implications of taking the life of a defenseless person without its consent . I might have better represented my argument to you by stating : we will never know with absolute certainty whether or not am unborn human constitutes a person , and thus whether or not aborting them constitutes killing them , i.e . murder in a strictly moral , and not political , sense . In response to your attacking on my saying we are glad we were n't aborted , yeah it has no bearing on my argument and I put it in for fun . Good for you to spot it ."
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"murder define highly confused killing illegal killing , killing is justified"
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"you who seems `` highly confused murder legal jargon moral implications constitutes killing them , response to your attacking no bearing on my argument"
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1,353 | 385 |
"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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"Philosophy king science"
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"going so well too"
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1,355 | 385 |
"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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DISAGREE
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"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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1,356 | 385 |
"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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DISAGREE
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"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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1,354 | 385 |
"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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DISAGREE
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"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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1,357 | 385 |
"Philosophy is king - not science ."
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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DISAGREE
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"Philosophy is king - not science"
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"Oh , it was going so well too"
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1,361 | 393 |
"Even though if it seems like they are n't listening , I think subconsciously , they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
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"You know , considering how little ray knows about science , do you think we could write a creationist load of * * * * and take these XXXXXX for all their money ?"
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DISAGREE
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"Even though if it seems like they are n't listening , I think subconsciously , they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
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"do you think we could write a creationist load of * * * * and take these"
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1,362 | 393 |
"Even though if it seems like they are n't listening , I think subconsciously , they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
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"You know , considering how little ray knows about science , do you think we could write a creationist load of * * * * and take these XXXXXX for all their money ?"
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DISAGREE
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"Even though if it seems like they are n't listening , I think subconsciously , they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
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"You know , considering how little ray knows about science , do you think we could write a creationist load"
| null | null |
1,359 | 393 |
"Even though if it seems like they are n't listening , I think subconsciously , they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
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"You know , considering how little ray knows about science , do you think we could write a creationist load of * * * * and take these XXXXXX for all their money ?"
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DISAGREE
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"they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
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"considering how little ray knows about science ,"
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1,358 | 393 |
"Even though if it seems like they are n't listening , I think subconsciously , they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
|
"You know , considering how little ray knows about science , do you think we could write a creationist load of * * * * and take these XXXXXX for all their money ?"
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DISAGREE
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"they recognize very well that they are wrong ."
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"considering how little ray knows about science , do you think we could write a creationist load of * * * * and take these XXXXXX for all their money ?"
| null | null |
1,364 | 394 |
"So since she does n't come out , we just assume that the four people that they have affidavits from are not lying , or maybe BEING PAID BY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ?"
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"So the Kerry campaign paid them 4 years ago ? The transcript is from 2000. http : //www.truthtree.com/Censorship/posts/141.html"
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DISAGREE
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"or maybe BEING PAID BY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ?"
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"So the Kerry campaign paid them 4 years ago ?"
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1,363 | 394 |
"So since she does n't come out , we just assume that the four people that they have affidavits from are not lying , or maybe BEING PAID BY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ?"
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"So the Kerry campaign paid them 4 years ago ? The transcript is from 2000. http : //www.truthtree.com/Censorship/posts/141.html"
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DISAGREE
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"we just assume that the four people that they have affidavits from are not lying , or maybe BEING PAID BY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ?"
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"So the Kerry campaign paid them 4 years ago ? The transcript is from"
| null | null |
1,367 | 394 |
"So since she does n't come out , we just assume that the four people that they have affidavits from are not lying , or maybe BEING PAID BY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ?"
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"So the Kerry campaign paid them 4 years ago ? The transcript is from 2000. http : //www.truthtree.com/Censorship/posts/141.html"
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DISAGREE
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"BEING PAID BY THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ?"
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"the Kerry campaign paid them 4 years ago ? http : //www.truthtree.com/Censorship/posts/141.html"
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1,368 | 395 |
"I believe there should be laws that only trained , licensed , medical professionals conduct abortions . I also would support that late pregnancy abortions only occur if a doctor deems them medically necesary . ( And I mean DOCTOR - not religious leaders or peckerwood politicians - a DOCTOR . )"
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"( Playing devil 's advocate ) And , by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
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DISAGREE
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"I also would support that late pregnancy abortions only occur if a doctor deems them medically necesary ."
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"And , by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
| null | null |
1,369 | 395 |
"I believe there should be laws that only trained , licensed , medical professionals conduct abortions . I also would support that late pregnancy abortions only occur if a doctor deems them medically necesary . ( And I mean DOCTOR - not religious leaders or peckerwood politicians - a DOCTOR . )"
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"( Playing devil 's advocate ) And , by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
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DISAGREE
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"I believe there should be laws that only trained , licensed , medical professionals conduct abortions"
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"And , by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
| null | null |
1,370 | 395 |
"I believe there should be laws that only trained , licensed , medical professionals conduct abortions . I also would support that late pregnancy abortions only occur if a doctor deems them medically necesary . ( And I mean DOCTOR - not religious leaders or peckerwood politicians - a DOCTOR . )"
|
"( Playing devil 's advocate ) And , by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
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DISAGREE
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"believe there should be laws that only trained , licensed , medical professionals conduct abortions . I also would support that late pregnancy abortions only occur if a doctor deems them medically necesary ."
|
"by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
| null | null |
1,371 | 395 |
"I believe there should be laws that only trained , licensed , medical professionals conduct abortions . I also would support that late pregnancy abortions only occur if a doctor deems them medically necesary . ( And I mean DOCTOR - not religious leaders or peckerwood politicians - a DOCTOR . )"
|
"( Playing devil 's advocate ) And , by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
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DISAGREE
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"I also would support that late pregnancy abortions only occur if a doctor deems them medically necesary"
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"by what authority would you deny a woman 's `` right to choose `` an abortion that happens to be `` late in her pregnancy ? ``"
| null | null |
1,373 | 396 |
"If all of our experiments show the Earth is 4.5 billion years old , then that is how old it is . If the Bible says something different , then either God meant Genesis for peoples past and now uses scientists to explain things better ( though I am uncomfortable with this idea as many scientists are atheists ) , or our puny minds , compared with God 's , have n't yet worked out how Genesis and an old Earth tie together"
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"Such as what ? It is not like putting two electrodes into the Earth and getting a measurement on some sort of gadget . The only way to measure how old something is , is by using a set of arbitrary assumptions . There are few things that you need to take into account , such as the rate of decay , and so on . Creationists know that there is something seriously wrong with the radio-metric dating methods . Explain this then , carbon dating of wood under lava that was erupted from Rangitoto ( an island volcano near Auckland , NZ ) indicates that the erruption was around 200 years ago ( the name is said to mean `` Red Sky `` , suggesting that the Maoris , who have been their for 1000 years at the most , witnessed this event ) . Yet potassium-argon dating of the lava rock has given ages of up to half a million years old ! Now this alone is a big flaw . Any person who uses their logic can tell that the result of the potassium-argon is way out , it should be less than 200 years . The radio-carbon date is only restricted to thousands of years , because even after several hundreds of thousands of years , there will be no more radio-carbon left . The above came from Snelling , A. , `` Dating Dilemma : Fossil wood in `` ancient `` sandstone `` , Creation 21 ( 3 ) :39-41 . Creationists do n't have ( by their own admissions ) all of the answers when it comes to radio-metric dating methods , but they can see enough that there is something seriously wrong with the underlying assumptions . Professor Richard Mauger says : `` In general , dates in the `` correct ball park `` are assumed to be correct and are published , but those in disagreement with other data are seldom published nor are discrepencies fuly explained. ``"
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AGREE
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"all of our experiments show the Earth is 4.5 billion years old , then that is how old it is ."
|
"Creationists know that there is something seriously wrong with the radio-metric dating methods . Explain this then , carbon dating of wood under lava that was erupted from Rangitoto ( an island volcano near Auckland , NZ ) indicates that the erruption was around 200 years ago ( the name is said to mean `` Red Sky `` , suggesting that the Maoris , who have been their for 1000 years at the most , witnessed this event ) ."
| null | null |
1,377 | 396 |
"If all of our experiments show the Earth is 4.5 billion years old , then that is how old it is . If the Bible says something different , then either God meant Genesis for peoples past and now uses scientists to explain things better ( though I am uncomfortable with this idea as many scientists are atheists ) , or our puny minds , compared with God 's , have n't yet worked out how Genesis and an old Earth tie together"
|
"Such as what ? It is not like putting two electrodes into the Earth and getting a measurement on some sort of gadget . The only way to measure how old something is , is by using a set of arbitrary assumptions . There are few things that you need to take into account , such as the rate of decay , and so on . Creationists know that there is something seriously wrong with the radio-metric dating methods . Explain this then , carbon dating of wood under lava that was erupted from Rangitoto ( an island volcano near Auckland , NZ ) indicates that the erruption was around 200 years ago ( the name is said to mean `` Red Sky `` , suggesting that the Maoris , who have been their for 1000 years at the most , witnessed this event ) . Yet potassium-argon dating of the lava rock has given ages of up to half a million years old ! Now this alone is a big flaw . Any person who uses their logic can tell that the result of the potassium-argon is way out , it should be less than 200 years . The radio-carbon date is only restricted to thousands of years , because even after several hundreds of thousands of years , there will be no more radio-carbon left . The above came from Snelling , A. , `` Dating Dilemma : Fossil wood in `` ancient `` sandstone `` , Creation 21 ( 3 ) :39-41 . Creationists do n't have ( by their own admissions ) all of the answers when it comes to radio-metric dating methods , but they can see enough that there is something seriously wrong with the underlying assumptions . Professor Richard Mauger says : `` In general , dates in the `` correct ball park `` are assumed to be correct and are published , but those in disagreement with other data are seldom published nor are discrepencies fuly explained. ``"
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AGREE
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"If all of our experiments show the Earth is 4.5 billion years old , then that is how old it is"
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"There are few things that you need to take into account , such as the rate of decay , and so on"
| null | null |
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