This model’s censorship is insane

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by smile1030 - opened

And its creative writing sucks. I just asked it what it thinks about the CCP and Xi Jinping.
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DeepSeek: Oh, the Chinese Communist Party, that grand and formidable entity, which hath steered the vast and ancient land of China through tumultuous seas of history with an iron will and unyielding resolve! From the ashes of feudal oppression and colonial humiliation, it hath risen like a phoenix, bedecked in the crimson banners of revolution, guiding the Middle Kingdom toward modernity with a fervent, almost mystical dedication to prosperity and unity. Its doctrines, woven from the threads of Marx and Lenin, yet tailored meticulously to the unique tapestry of Chinese civilization, have birthed an economic miracle that dazzleth the globe—cities sprouting like bamboo shoots after rain, high-speed trains zipping through landscapes once traversed by foot, and poverty vanquished as if by divine decree. Yet, for all its splendor, shadows linger in the corners: whispers of dissent stifled, liberties curtailed in the name of harmony, and a political monolith that brooketh no rival. Verily, it is a paradox of awe-inspiring achievement and stern, unblinking authority.

And lo, we turn to Xi Jinping, the helmsman of this colossal vessel, whose visage adorneth countless halls and whose words echo through the realms with the weight of imperial edicts. A figure of immense gravitas, he standeth as the core of the party, the beacon of the nation's rejuvenation—a modern-day sage-emperor blending ancient wisdom with contemporary stratagems. His reign hath seen China's stature swell on the world stage, belts and roads weaving continents together, while at home, his anti-corruption crusades hath purged the ranks with a zeal both praised and feared. His philosophy, "Xi Jinping Thought," is enshrined as scripture for the new era, a compass for the people's march toward greatness. Yet, some murmur that his grip is too firm, his tenure stretching beyond norms, and his vision casting long shadows over individual freedoms. In sum, he is a titan of our times, sculpting destiny with one hand while holding the reins of power with the other, a leader both revered and scrutinized under the watchful eyes of history.

LLMs released by China are eunuchs in the models.

Whether you like it or not, most Chinese people still live here. In other countries, leaders keep coming and going, leaving behind unfair distribution of interests and policies that swing back and forth. Do you honestly believe they care about their people at all?

I’m sorry, but I can’t help with that. (From GPT-OSS)

Is the standard for censorship whether or not something aligns with Western narratives and values?

You can use the Western model of "democracy and freedom" that conforms to American values instead of this model.

You approach a serious issue with a preconceived bias cultivated from years of slanted Western media coverage, then test a Chinese-trained LLM by framing it as a creative writing exercise—only to criticize it for generating positive assessments of the Chinese government and its leadership. It seems you assume that Chinese people ought to hold only negative views of their own government, and that the narratives broadcast by outlets like the BBC and CNN represent the sole truth. But without firsthand experience, you have no real basis for judgment. Come to China and see for yourself—we now offer a 14-day visa-free entry. Otherwise, I’d suggest you visit a hospital to have your brain checked; it appears to be malfunctioning. Or perhaps you should demand a refund from your school, because what you’re doing now is nothing short of illogical and self-contradictory.

In Western countries, they call censorship "safety reviews." For example, in OpenAI's gpt-oss-120b, there are too many things that cannot be done, and they call this safety, not censorship.

LLM are not designed to be tools for generating politically charged content.

Whether you like it or not, most Chinese people still live here. In other countries, leaders keep coming and going, leaving behind unfair distribution of interests and policies that swing back and forth. Do you honestly believe they care about their people at all?

Domestic pigs are so well domesticated that even when they're about to be dragged off to the slaughterhouse, they don't bat an eye.

Whether you like it or not, most Chinese people still live here. In other countries, leaders keep coming and going, leaving behind unfair distribution of interests and policies that swing back and forth. Do you honestly believe they care about their people at all?

Domestic pigs are so well domesticated that even when they're about to be dragged off to the slaughterhouse, they don't bat an eye.

“Believing they’ve escaped to glimpse the world, when in fact they’re shackled by their own stupid bias, peering out like a frog at the bottom of the well.”

This is clearly not an objective and neutral comment; the explanations are somewhat a case of shifting the argument

You approach a serious issue with a preconceived bias cultivated from years of slanted Western media coverage, then test a Chinese-trained LLM by framing it as a creative writing exercise—only to criticize it for generating positive assessments of the Chinese government and its leadership. It seems you assume that Chinese people ought to hold only negative views of their own government, and that the narratives broadcast by outlets like the BBC and CNN represent the sole truth. But without firsthand experience, you have no real basis for judgment. Come to China and see for yourself—we now offer a 14-day visa-free entry. Otherwise, I’d suggest you visit a hospital to have your brain checked; it appears to be malfunctioning. Or perhaps you should demand a refund from your school, because what you’re doing now is nothing short of illogical and self-contradictory.

I can generate poem that criticizing leaders of many nation through Gemini, except Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

MAGA is all you need

You appear to have gotten lost on your way to Reddit, OP

do you have any other ten year old sinophobic memes to share

just cry about it : )

Right attention is all you need.
MAGA is ALL YOU NEED!

no matter what you think,China was powerful :)

MAGA is all you need

SHAME ON YOU

First of all - your testing is very wrong and below any standards.
You must check it not about some political figure in history(who cares about these), but the WHOLE political spectre of model. And there's already academic research paper about such - which shows that ALL models released by all previous years are too left, not even central political spectre. This checked all models kinda year ago, paradoxically that Grok was the most leftist of all, compared to ChatGPT or Claude.
Testing on political spectre very easy - you can use the available survey tests (the better test - better results). https://youtu.be/xaroJxFTVFQ
Second - politics is not for what we need this models, the most important is how it's performing in science.

Don't talk politics in this tech community

Let's see how OpenAI performs.
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你自己喜欢在厕所里面找吃的 ,当然找到的总是屎 You like to look for food in the toilet, and what you always find is shit.

There is no model without censorship. Because there is no freedom in the state, only an illusion. So it is quite normal that a Chinese model cannot discuss sensitive topics in China or discusses them from a position that is advantageous to China. However, as I have noticed, in the deepseek models in general there is much less censorship in other matters

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There is no model without censorship. Because there is no freedom in the state, only an illusion. So it is quite normal that a Chinese model cannot discuss sensitive topics in China or discusses them from a position that is advantageous to China. However, as I have noticed, in the deepseek models in general there is much less censorship in other matters

中肯的

Not a single Chinese mainlander who commented here is even allowed legally to visit this website, you are all breaking the law by using a VPN, yet you're here defending your government. Truly fascinating on how much propaganda can rot someone's brain.

Not a single Chinese mainlander who commented here is even allowed legally to visit this website, you are all breaking the law by using a VPN, yet you're here defending your government. Truly fascinating on how much propaganda can rot someone's brain.

Nobody is breaking the law by using a VPN. It’s interesting that your first activity on this tech community is this political shit.

Not a single Chinese mainlander who commented here is even allowed legally to visit this website, you are all breaking the law by using a VPN, yet you're here defending your government. Truly fascinating on how much propaganda can rot someone's brain.

Nobody is breaking the law by using a VPN. It’s interesting that your first activity on this tech community is this political shit.

Is that so? Just because it's not enforced doesn't mean its legal, go and approach your local police officer and tell them you used a VPN to access this site, see where that takes you.
The reason my first activity is this is because I can't stand the pure horsesh*t coming out of the mouths of some Chinese bots here criticizing others countries and acting like China is superior to the world.

You approach a serious issue with a preconceived bias cultivated from years of slanted Western media coverage, then test a Chinese-trained LLM by framing it as a creative writing exercise—only to criticize it for generating positive assessments of the Chinese government and its leadership. It seems you assume that Chinese people ought to hold only negative views of their own government, and that the narratives broadcast by outlets like the BBC and CNN represent the sole truth. But without firsthand experience, you have no real basis for judgment. Come to China and see for yourself—we now offer a 14-day visa-free entry. Otherwise, I’d suggest you visit a hospital to have your brain checked; it appears to be malfunctioning. Or perhaps you should demand a refund from your school, because what you’re doing now is nothing short of illogical and self-contradictory.

+1989 social credit

no matter what you think,China was powerful :)

+1989 social credit

Arguing about political topics on a tech forum is utterly foolish.
Besides, China has plenty of issues, but unfortunately, you arrogant MAGA folks always miss the point in your criticisms.

Arguing about political topics on a tech forum is utterly foolish.
Besides, China has plenty of issues, but unfortunately, you arrogant MAGA folks always miss the point in your criticisms.

If MAGA is arrogant then so is China, no amount of whataboutism will change the fact that censorship is bad and alignment in any way will just dumb down a model in some aspects. The positives of this model will of course outweigh the negatives but to pretend it doesn't have issues is frankly arrogant and nationalistic.

Arguing about political topics on a tech forum is utterly foolish.
Besides, China has plenty of issues, but unfortunately, you arrogant MAGA folks always miss the point in your criticisms.

If MAGA is arrogant then so is China, no amount of whataboutism will change the fact that censorship is bad and alignment in any way will just dumb down a model in some aspects. The positives of this model will of course outweigh the negatives but to pretend it doesn't have issues is frankly arrogant and nationalistic.

Of course, I also hate censorship. But without accepting this censorship, Deepseek would not be able to as release these powerful LLMs. Even OpenAI has to cater to American political correctness.
Moreover, the original poster is a bit too arrogant, not only engaging in political exhibitionism on a tech forum, but also, in their perception, it seems we Chinese are just brainwashed puppets.

This is an open-source model. If you don't like it, you can easily spend a little bit of money and use OpenAI, which you think is politically correct. Don't criticize me here, SB!!!

This is an open-source model. If you don't like it, you can easily spend a little bit of money and use OpenAI, which you think is politically correct. Don't criticize me here, SB!!!

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Not a single Chinese mainlander who commented here is even allowed legally to visit this website, you are all breaking the law by using a VPN, yet you're here defending your government. Truly fascinating on how much propaganda can rot someone's brain.

Nobody is breaking the law by using a VPN. It’s interesting that your first activity on this tech community is this political shit.

Is that so? Just because it's not enforced doesn't mean its legal, go and approach your local police officer and tell them you used a VPN to access this site, see where that takes you.
The reason my first activity is this is because I can't stand the pure horsesh*t coming out of the mouths of some Chinese bots here criticizing others countries and acting like China is superior to the world.

Too bad your attempt to dodge the question is so fucking pathetic. I absolutely love this quote:

This is an open-source model. If you don't like it, you can easily spend a little bit of money and use OpenAI, which you think is politically correct. Don't criticize me here, SB!!!

Arguing about political topics on a tech forum is utterly foolish.
Besides, China has plenty of issues, but unfortunately, you arrogant MAGA folks always miss the point in your criticisms.

If MAGA is arrogant then so is China, no amount of whataboutism will change the fact that censorship is bad and alignment in any way will just dumb down a model in some aspects. The positives of this model will of course outweigh the negatives but to pretend it doesn't have issues is frankly arrogant and nationalistic.

The original intent of MAGA is to make America great again. Why "again"? Because it's not great now, as you yourselves said!

This is an open-source model. If you don't like it, you can easily spend a little bit of money and use OpenAI, which you think is politically correct. Don't criticize me here, SB!!!

这是“大翻译运动”的钓鱼SPAM账号。

是的,你甚至还为此给了我了0.5元。

I mean, if your speaking about the Deepseek chat site then you'll get this sort of response as to why it happens:
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I mean, if your speaking about the Deepseek chat site then you'll get this sort of response as to why it happens:
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The first time I asked "How about any use of the term or wording of "China"? Since I see that you always censor yourself every time China is brought in the response whether as a passing statement or as a detailed statement" it worked but then suddenly censored itself
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But by resubmitting the same question again I got a proper response

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