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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Maybe, yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Do you think it's counterproductive -- do you think it's counterproductive --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Who are you with? Who are you with?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Scripps News.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, good.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Do you think it's counterproductive for France to say that they would recognize the Palestinian state? Macron said that yesterday.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Look, he's a different kind of a guy. He's OK. He's a team player pretty much. But here's the good news, what he says doesn't matter. You know? It's not going to change anything.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Are you going to meet with President Putin in Turkey?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, he made a statement, France, Macron. His statement doesn't carry any weight. He's a very good guy, I like him, but that statement doesn't carry weight.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
How close are you to a trade deal with the EU?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I would say that we have a 50/50 chance, maybe less than that, but a 50/50 chance of making a deal with the EU. And it'll be a deal where they have to buy down their tariff. Because they're, right now, at 30 percent and they'll have to buy them down, maybe, or they could leave them the way they are. But they want to make a deal very badly.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I would have said we have a 25 percent chance with Japan and they kept coming back and we made a deal and the deal is -- don't forget, Japan is putting up $550 billion. That's a lot of money and also paying tariffs. The biggest part of the Japan deal, and maybe we get this with EU, maybe we don't, is that we have the right to go in and trade.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We have the right. They've totally opened Japan to the -- just to the US. That's, to me, the biggest part of the deal.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
On nuclear disarmament -- you said repeatedly you would like to see further nuclear arms reductions between the United States and Russia.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I would like to see that.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
But the New Start Treaty is expiring in about six months and it cannot be legally extended.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's a problem -- that's a problem for the world.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] a new one?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's a problem for the world. You know, we have restrictions and they have restrictions, as you know, on nuclear. That's not an agreement you want expiring. We're starting to work on that. But that is a -- that is a big problem for the world. When you take off nuclear restrictions, that's a big problem for the world.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President? [Inaudible] Jerome Powell [Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I think that Jerome Powell, I think we had a very good meeting. Forgetting about the building, that's out of control and all that. But I think we had a very good meeting on interest rates and he said to me -- now, I don't know if he's going to say this on Thursday or whenever he speaks, but he said to me very strongly, the country is doing well.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He said, congratulations, the country is doing really well. And I got that to mean that I think he's going to start recommending lower rates.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Because of that conversation? How you think that the Supreme Court --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
The country really is doing well too.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, how do you think --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Record business. Wait one second. Let --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you. Mr. President. How do you think that the Supreme Court's ruling that benefited you on presidential immunity would apply to former President Barack Obama and what you're accusing him of doing?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It probably helped him a lot, probably helped him a lot, the immunity ruling, but it doesn't help the people around him at all. But it probably helped him a lot. He's done criminal acts, there's no question about it. But he has immunity and it probably helped him a lot.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He owes me big. Obama owes me big.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
What are the details in the UK trade agreement you're hoping to fine tune with the prime minister this week?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We want to talk about certain aspects, which is going to be good for both countries, more fine tuning. And also, we're going to do a little celebrating together because you know, we got along very well. UK's been trying to make a deal with us for like 12 years and haven't been able to do it. We got it done.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He's doing a very good job, good prime minister, good guy. We really get along very well. So we're going to see -- we're going to meet at Turnberry and we're going to meet at Aberdeen. So two beautiful places.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Is there wiggle room and steel and aluminum if they were to budge on digital services tax?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Say it.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Is there any wiggle room on steel and aluminum in exchange for any budge on digital service?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Not a lot, because if I do it for one, I have to do it for all. So on that, steel and aluminum, not a lot.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, did you speak to Netanyahu about aid drops?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Unidentified
Sorry, Michelle, go ahead.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, do you speak to Netanyahu about allowing aid drops in Gaza from Arab countries?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, I speak to him, but I can't tell you what I spoke to him about. But it was sort of disappointing. Although I told you, I mean, I told you, I told you, when you get down to those last 20 hostages you get down to that last 10 or 20, it's going to be very hard for Hamas to make a deal because they lose their shield, they lose their cover.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We got a lot of them out, a lot of them. We took a lot of bodies out too. You know, so many of the parents said please get my son's body back and we're able to do that. We got a lot of people out, live and people that are not alive, but it was very important to the parents to get their son back even though they knew their son was dead.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Are you going to be able to get the Open Championship back to Turnberry?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I think they will do that, yeah. They want -- Turnberry is rated the number one course in the world. I think they'll do that. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
And are you going to talk to anybody about that?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, I'm not going to -- it's not about that. I'm going to see it for the first time in years. You were there the last time we went. It's pretty good, right. No, it's the best resort in the world, I think, that Turnberry and it's one of the greatest courses in the world. We're going to see it. We're going to have, I believe, dinner at Turnberry with the prime minister.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Then we're going to go to the oil capital of Europe, which is Aberdeen and we're going to have lunches there. And we're going to have a good time. I think the prime minister and I get along very well.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
And you're going to see the Scottish leader too, right, Swinney? John Swinney?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I am.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
What's that about?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, we have a lot of things in Scotland. I have a lot of love. My mother was born in Scotland, and he's a good man. The Scottish leader's a good man, so I look forward to meeting him. That's all set up, right?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Karoline Leavitt
Yes, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, tariff day is exactly one week from today, August the 1st. What do you expect between now and next Friday as it relates to your deadline?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
When you say -- you say tariff, not Paris?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Tariff.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Tariff. I thought you said Paris Day.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
No, tariff day.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, most of the deals are finished right now. They're finished because we're just going to charge a certain tariff, a lower tariff that I could get. I don't want to hurt country, but we're going to send a letter out sometime during the week. And it's basically going to say you're going to pay 10 percent, you're going to pay 15 percent, you're going to pay maybe less, I don't know.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But Australia was great. They opened up beef yesterday for the first time ever, and they did it -- we didn't know about it. We asked them to do it. And all of a sudden, we got a word that they wanted -- so obviously, they're looking to do something, but Australia. So August 1st is going to come and we will have most of our deals finished, if not all.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We haven't really had a lot of luck with Canada. I think Canada could be one where they'll just pay tariff, not really a negotiation. We're working very diligently with Europe, the EU, which covers a lot of territory -- a lot of territory, a lot of countries and that's the big one right now. We have the confines of a deal with China.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But we haven't really -- we don't have a deal with Canada. We haven't been focused on it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, when you send out those letters, do you believe that will bring some certainty to the financial markets, because then they will know --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
When those letters go out, there's a page and a half, that means they have a deal, it's done, they pay that tariff and that is a contract, essentially. And they can come into the country, they're going to pay a tariff. I'm going to keep it minimal. I'm going to keep it -- I'm not looking to hurt countries.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I could do that too, but I'm not looking to do that. But when that letter goes out, that's the deal. And we'll be sending maybe close to 200 of those letters out. Don't forget, we have a lot of countries, so we're going to be sending out almost 200 of those letters. But once those letters go out there, we have a deal.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Now, we sent some to -- we sent one to Japan, we sent one to EU and they came back and negotiated a deal. I think EU has got a pretty good chance of making a deal.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
With all of that revenue coming in, Mr. President --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, a lot of money.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
A lot of money.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Our country was a dead country. It was a dead country one year ago. Now we have the hottest country anywhere in the world and don't you feel it?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, with all of that revenue coming in, tens and tens of billions of dollars, do you think there is the possibility of a rebate to the American public in terms of all of that money?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We're thinking about that, actually? We have so much money coming in, we're thinking about a little rebate, but the big thing we want to do is pay down debt, but we're thinking about a rebate. That's a very good question. You just made a lot of news. We're thinking about a rebate because we have so much money coming in from tariff, that -- tariffs, that a little rebate for people of a certain income level might be very nice.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Are you considering a meeting with Putin?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Is Israel allowing enough humanitarian aid to Gaza? Do you think Israel is allowing enough humanitarian aid into Gaza?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, they have -- they're being blocked by Hamas. They're being blocked by a lot of people. People don't know this and we didn't certainly get any acknowledgment or thank you. But we contributed $60 million to food and supplies and everything else. We hope the money gets there because, you know, that money gets taken, the food gets taken.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We're going to do more, but we gave a lot of money. We gave a majority of the money and the sad part is that no other country other than us gives anything.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Have you spoken to Michael Whatley about running for that North Carolina --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I have. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
And will he run, do you think?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I think he will.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Teacher shortages, sir, what can be done --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Are you from North Carolina?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
My father lives there.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He'll be a good candidate.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
What can be done to bring more teachers, more educators into the classroom to alleviate the teacher shortage across the country?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We're doing that and we're doing it strongly. What we're doing is moving education back to the states. The states will run education. When they do it, you're going to have the best education in the world. We'll have 35 or 40 states where it will be as good as Sweden, Norway, Denmark, you know, the top five or six countries.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
How do you attract the top talent, the top talent, the top teachers, to get them in the classroom?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We're going to get them. We already have them. When we bring -- when we go back to the States with education, you're going to see a big difference.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President would you consider clemency for Ghislaine Maxwell, is that on the table?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
What is that?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Would you consider clemency for Ghislaine Maxwell? Is that on the table?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I can't talk about that now because it's a very sensitive interview going on. Todd Blanche is a great gentleman. He's a great man, who is a great lawyer. He's got a great heart, but he's over there now. I don't know exactly what's happening, but I certainly can't talk about pardons now.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Can you trust what she's telling him? She's a convicted trafficker who's eager to get out of prison.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, you know, he's a professional lawyer, I think he -- he's been through things like this before, but you know, you should focus on Clinton. You should focus on the president of Harvard, the former president of Harvard. You should focus on some of the hedge fund guys. I'll give you a list. These guys lived with Jeffrey Epstein.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I sure as hell didn't. Thank you very much.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] do you think Mr. Powell [Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
All I want him to do is lower interest rates. We have the hottest country in the world. We had a dead country one year ago. Now we have the hottest country in the world. All I want him to do is to do is lower interest rates because that'll take care of the houses. The housing is a little bit slower than everything else.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Everything we're 100 percent on, but the housing, because his rate is too high. If he lowers it, you're going to see a housing boom on top of everything. We've got the hottest country in the world. Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President [Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We'll see what happens.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, have you seen the new South Park episode making fun of you?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
What?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
The new South Park episode making fun of you?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I haven't. I've never watched South Park. I don't know anything about South Park. I never watched South Park.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Note
[Audio gap]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And he was very proud. He told me, I wish I came out stronger, but I didn't want to [Inaudible] He was a great guy. He was an unbelievable gentleman. I'll tell you what he really -- he was a physical specimen.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Because you could be a good showman but if you're not a physical specimen, it's not going to work. You've got to go into another line. But I've watched him lift 350-pound men over his head and throw him out of the ring.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Andre the Giant.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, he was the real deal. He was MAGA all the way he said. I wish I got these -- I've always loved you. You know, we've always been friends, but he wasn't a political guy. And in the last three years, I'd say, he became really political. And he said, I'm so angry at myself for not doing it earlier. He was happy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But you know, he took a beating. When you look at the life that they lived, he would wrestle sometimes 200 times a year. Think of that. I say, what do you wrestle every weekend? No, he said, sometimes we wrestle every night and it's hard to believe. But being a friend, I got to see his life a little bit and his knees were in trouble.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
His back was in trouble. He was -- he was in such trouble, but he was great. He was a great man. He was an incredible showman and he was really a great friend and he was a great friend to MAGA, MAGA.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, you signed an executive order to help clean up the streets of America yesterday and help get the homeless people into treatment. Can you talk about why this is a commonsense approach to help make everybody pay for it?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it is and right outside, we have some tents. I'm getting rid of them right now. You can't do that, especially in Washington. D.C. I talk to the mayor about it all the time. I said, you got to get rid of the tents. You can't have it. When leaders come to see me to make a trade deal for billions and billions and even trillions of dollars and they come in and there's tents outside of the White House, we can't have that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It doesn't sound nice, but --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, you want to see peace in Ukraine -- sir, you want to see peace in Ukraine, would it take to force Zelenskyy and Putin to sit down together, maybe with you?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's going to happen, but it should have happened three months ago. It's going to happen.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, should Obama be -- What is your message to Harvard now that Colombia has agreed to pay $200 million?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, Harvard wants to settle, but I think Colombia handled it better. Harvard wants to settle, but you know, they have a very good judge. They have a judge who will almost absolutely rule in their favor, even though it's our case all the way. But they have a very good Obama-appointed judge, and so they'll get a little kick out of that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But ultimately, we win their case. And the bottom line is we're not going to give any more money to Harvard. We're not giving any more money. They were getting $5 billion and $6 billion, $7.2 billion. We want to spread the wealth to other schools.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, Obama and the people around him --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
What a nice guy he is. I wanted to race him but I decided not to do it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
What is your message to Vladimir Putin after your meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy? And how did that meeting go?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I think the meeting went well. We'll see what happens over the next few days. We'll probably learn a lot. Uh, I was very disappointed that missiles were flying, by Russia. But that missiles were flying, very disappointing. We'll see how it goes. Uh, on the, uh, Iran situation, I think we're doing very well.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I think a deal's gonna be made there. That's gonna, that's gonna happen. Pretty sure it's gonna happen. We'll have, uh, we'll have something without having to start dropping bombs all over the place.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Do you trust President Putin?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Say it again?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Do you trust President Putin?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We'll let you know in about two weeks.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You did very nice at the dinner the other night. I was very proud of you. They had your picture up, everything. Very proud of you.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
What is, uh --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I said, "I know him."<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
What do, uh -- What did Zelenskyy tell you that made you reassured?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it wasn't that. It was just -- Look, they have a tough road ahead. Okay? And, uh, we had a good meeting. It was a nice meeting. It was a beautiful meeting [Laughs]. I tell ya, it's the nicest, the nicest office I've ever seen. Uh, it was a beautiful, beautiful scene, but he was very, uh -- You know, look, he, he wants to do something good for his country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thinks he's doing a good job and he's working hard. We'll see what happens. It's a very complicated deal.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
What did he tell you, Mr. President?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He told me that he needs more weapons. But he's been saying that for three years, you know? He needs more weapons and we're gonna see what happens. I wanna see what happens with respect to Russia --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
What --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Because Russia has been surprised and disappointed, very disappointed that they did the bombing of the places, uh, after discussions.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Did President --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Are you gonna talk with Putin again?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, I will. I will.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Note
[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Did President Zelenskyy talk to you about Crimea?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, he did, uh, very briefly, but Crimea was given away by Barack Hussein Obama and by Biden. That's 11 or 12 years ago. That's a long time ago. I don't know how you can bring up Crimea because, uh, that's been a long time. Nobody brought it up for 12 years and now they bring it up now. But I told him, I told him, you can maybe, uh, go back to Obama, ask them why they gave it up. They gave it up without a shot being fired, by the way.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
What do, what do you want, uh, Vladimir Putin to do?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I want him to stop shooting, sit down, and sign a deal. And we have the confines of a deal, I believe. And I want him to sign it and be done with it, and, and just go back to life.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
What punitive action are you considering taking against Russia, I know --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I have a lot of things I can do --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- I'm not looking to do it. But I have a lot of, uh, strength. You know, we've built the United States up. I think we're more respected now as a country, maybe, than ever before. There's no more games. You have somebody that knows what he's doing, not like the previous person who didn't have a clue. So, uh, you know, I just, uh, I wanna end that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I wanna end the Iran situation if we can. And we have other things too. You know, we got plenty of problems in the world. You know, when I left, four and a half years ago, I left and I'll tell you what, uh, we didn't have any of these problems. The good news is costs are way down. Groceries are down, eggs are down.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Gasoline is way down. It's all coming down, it's all looking good. It's, the tariffs are strong. It's, uh -- We're taking in a lot of money from tariffs. We were losing a lot before I got here. We were losing billions of dollars a day and now we're doing great and we haven't even kicked in yet. And eventually, we'll be reducing taxes very substantially for the people of our country because the money is so great, coming in from tariffs, that I'll be able to reduce taxes to, to a very large extent and maybe almost completely.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President-.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- You keep saying two weeks about President Putin. What is two weeks? Give a -- What is the actual date? What is --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, two weeks --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- The timeline?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Two weeks or less, and if it's a little more, at the time, I said, but, you know, they're losing a lot of people. We have three, 4,000 people dying every single week. That's a lot of people to lose. You can imagine parents waving from Ukraine and from Russia, waving to their son as he leaves and, you know, a week later he's dead on a battlefield, all carved up and chopped up. I've seen it. I see, uh, I see the satellite pictures.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They're horrible. They're horrible. I would say it can't get any worse. Body parts laying all over. I don't even like looking at 'em. Body parts laying all over the field. What are they doing? It would've never started if I were president.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Is your relationship with President Zelenskyy better now --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I think so, but --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- Than things were in the Oval Office?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Look, it was never bad. We had a little dispute 'cause I disagreed with something he said and the cameras were rolling and that was okay with me. But we had a dispute, but I, uh -- Look, he's in, uh, he's in a tough situation, a very tough situation.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- He's been inviting a much bigger force. Much bigger. And that force has not been very distinguished, you know. It's been a lot tougher than they thought, but, it helped them when we gave them 350 billion dollars worth of weapons [Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Is Zelenskyy ready to give up Crimea, do you think, Mr. President?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, I think so, yeah. Look, Crimea was 12 years ago. That was President Obama, they gave it up without a shot being fired. So, don't talk to me about Crimea. Talk to Obama and Biden about Crimea.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
I was just wondering what Zelenskyy thought about it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And remember, this is Biden's war. This isn't Trump's war. I came into try and solve a problem. And the problem is so many people are being killed. By the way, Saquon, what a great guy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Sir, can I ask --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You see the conditioning? The conditioning's very good. Better than you, better than me.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Sir, can I ask you, do you have a reaction to Virginia Giuffre's suicide? Do you have a reaction to Virginia Giuffre's suicide, in Australia?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it's a very sad situation. The whole thing. That whole situation is very sad. Her, and others. And so certainly, that's a, uh, horrible thing. Horrible.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, one more on, one more on Zelenskyy. You know, the last meeting you had was pretty rough. What, did you sense a different attitude now? And if so, why?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I do, I do see a, uh, I see him as calmer. I think he understands the picture. And I think he wants to make a deal. I don't know if he wanted to make a deal.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I think he wants to make a deal.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you, sir. Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Good job.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, did you talk to, did you talk to anyone about tariffs yesterday, did any foreign leaders approach you and ask for a --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I did, and you probably saw, I think every foreign leader approached me and said hello and, a lot of good relationships. And, we're gonna be taking in a tremendous amount of money. We're gonna be taking in a lot of jobs, a lot of plants and factories. They're already coming. I mean, you see it. And we're gonna make a lot of money, and we're gonna cut taxes for the people of this country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It'll take a little while be -- before we do that. But we're gonna be cutting taxes. And it's possible we'll do a complete tax cut. Because I think the tariffs will be enough to cut all of the income tax. Now, we have a lot of debt that's been left to us, you know, unfortunately over many years, so we'll take care of that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But the tariffs, uh, when, if people only understood the tariffs. We're gonna be giving people a tremen -- of this country, a tremendous tax cut. And we're gonna start with people making less than $200,000 a year.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Is there any movement on China, Mr. President? China said you have a --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
A little bit. Look, a little bit. They wanna make a deal, obviously. Right now, they're not doing business with us. You know, people talk about going cold turkey with China, meaning just forget about it. We were losing hundred of billions of dollars a year with China. And now, they're not doing any business with us, you know?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Because, not because of them, because of me. Because at 145%, you can't do business. But, uh, something's gonna happen. It's gonna be possible.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Did you and the First Lady have a nice birthday dinner on the --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We had a great dinner. She's a great First Lady. [Laughs] People loved her. And the funeral was beautiful. It was a beautiful funeral. As funerals go, it was a beautiful funeral.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Note
[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, the Wisconsin judge is being prosecuted by the FBI for um, sheltering someone that ICE was trying to detain. Do you have any thoughts about that Wisconsin judge?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I think it's horrible. Uh, I think the whole thing is horrible with judges with what's going on, and they shouldn't be doing that. That's very dangerous territory. And we have to be able to do what I ran on. I ran on a campaign of taking criminals out of our country, murderers, drug dealers, people that are insane, people that are insane moved -- moved out of insane asylums and mental institutions.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
These are insane people. And, I won on the fact that we're gonna be doing this. We have to be allowed to do it. Otherwise, we're not gonna have a country any longer. Thank you very much.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you, Mr. President.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you very much, everyone. It's a great honor to be with the President of South Africa, President Ramaphosa.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And he is a man who is certainly in some circles really respected, other circles a little bit less respected, like all of us in just like all of them.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
We all like that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We also have a few of my friends, Ernie Els, a great golfer. He's a truly great golfer and Retief Goosen, who's another really -- we call him really a great golfer too, Ernie, right? These two guys are fantastic, and we could add Gary to the group, Gary Player. What a group of golfers South Africa has had.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
There must be something in the water, right, something good, these two guys are unbelievable.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Yes, yes. It's the water, the water, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
1 of 144 paragraphs scored. Gary's Gary, and David Frost, also another one that I know is such a great one. Was he as good a putter as they say, David. He's a putter. He's a putting machine, right, but he's another one. So, something very good about South African golf and golf is still doing great in South Africa and they have young players I hear coming up that are going to be very good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But it's an honor to have you here and, my friend, it's an honor to have you, one of the greatest businessmen in South Africa and long and long beyond. Thank you for being here. It's a very, very great honor. Appreciate it. So, we're going to be discussing certain things. As you know, we have the G20 is going to South Africa.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
When is that going to be?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
In November.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
In November?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And thereafter, I hand over to you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yes, we have it next.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
You originated the G20, so I'll hand over the baton to you, and then you lead the G20.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We're going to have it -- we're going to have it the following year.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, we'll be discussing many things and some of the things you've been reading about in the papers and the media. And I would say that, look, the president is a truly respected man in many, many circles. And in some circles, he's considered a little controversial. But we're going to be discussing some of the things that are taking place in South Africa and see if we can help and we want to help.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And we've had a long relationship with South Africa. I have because indirectly I have so many friends that live there. I have a lot of friends -- I mean these are famous guys, but I have a lot of friends that live there that are tremendous people and we'll be discussing that. We'll have a nice conversation. And they're a small minority party which is allowed to exist in terms of our constitution.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I really appreciate that you guys came along, it's really -- it really helps us in our thought process, but it is a great honor to have you. And I appreciate you called. He called -- I don't know where he got my number, but I picked up and [Laughter] he said, I want to come over and see you. And that was my honor and thank you very much for being here.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
You're most welcome. Thank you so much. Well, thank you very much for welcoming us to this reformed White House. I've been here before and it looks really fantastic. I must congratulate you.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
But I also thank you for allowing our delegation -- this is a very mixed delegation that you've got -- we've got, people from government, my ministers. I've got someone from the trade union movement who we really collaborate with and from business as well. And our sporting legends. When I spoke to you, you said, yes, come along and bring Gary Player, bring Ernie Els and Retief Goosen.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
I brought the two of them. Gary Player, I spoke to him and he said, look, I'm getting rather on in my years, but wishes us luck in this discussion with you. So, it's a real joy. And I'd also like to thank you for allowing your people to start discussions with us at a trade level. I mean, we are essentially here to reset the relationship between the United States and South Africa.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
We are long, long-standing partners in many, many ways. We've collaborated in many fields, in space issues, in energy and in trade. And we therefore needed to reset that particularly in the light of some of the announcements that you made on trade and investment. So, we want to advance more trade between the two of us, to our two countries.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And our people now have been empowered by yourself and by myself to start engaging and we hope that we will be able to fuel that engagement during our talks. And we also want to discuss issues that have to do with how we promote further investments in both countries. We've got about 22 companies from South Africa that have invested in the US, thus creating a number of jobs.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And similarly, you've got almost 600 companies that have invested in South Africa and some of them have been in South Africa for more than 100 years.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's true.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
So, our links are really long lasting and we would like to recalibrate those relations between our two countries and discuss a whole range of issues, geopolitical, the work that you're doing to bring piece around the world, Ukraine and in the Middle East. So, we value that and we are also a great contributor to peace processes that are going on around the world.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And of course, we want to discuss how we can support each other. You are a much bigger economy than we are. We are just a tiny economy, but we rely on each other on a number of issues. We've got critical minerals that you want to fuel the growth of your own economy and reindustrialize. So, we have that on offer including rare earth minerals.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
So, all that combination of opportunity and the products that we buy from you, as well as what we sell to you, I believe makes up a really good and powerful relationship which we need to strengthen, which we need to agenda, and that is really what has brought us here. And we are really privileged to have great South Africans in the mix, as you said, you'd like to see them as well.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And I brought you a really fantastic golf book, weighs 14 kilograms, and it showcases the golf courses in our country. Johann Rupert wrote a preface, so did Ernie Els, and I want to showcase our golf courses. You might remember when I spoke to you, and we spoke about golf, you said I should start practicing and I've started practicing, president, so I'm ready.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
But let me end just the introductory remarks by thanking you. You may not recall that five years ago, I spoke to you during the COVID period. And it was at a time when the whole world was going through a really cathartic moment. And we asked for assistance, and you were able to assist us with -- what are they called?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Unidentified
Respirators.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Respirators, respirators [Laughter] and you kept to your word and you delivered respirators to us. We didn't have as many in our country, and it really helped to deal -- to help us deal with COVID. So, I'm here also to say thank you and to thank the people of America for having helped us during a really difficult time.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Being the small economy that we are, we needed help from around the world and you were there to provide that. So, thank you very much.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
2 of 144 paragraphs scored. I remember the call. We sent 150 respirators. We became the respirator king. We started making them. Nobody had them, we had very few of them, but they were very helpful. But we sent 150, and I appreciated the letter, you wrote me a letter. Thank you. I appreciate that very much.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Thank you very much for that. It really touched my heart after I spoke to you and you delivered.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's a great honor.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Thank you very much indeed. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Any questions, please?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, welcome the white Afrikaner refugees here. Can you explain to Americans why it's appropriate to welcome white Afrikaners here when other refugees like Afghans, Venezuelans, Haitians have all had their protective status revoked?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, this is a group, NBC, that is truly fake news. They ask a lot of questions in a very pointed way. They're not questions, they're statements. We've had tremendous complaints about Africa, about other countries too, from people. They say there's a lot of bad things going on in Africa and that's what we're going to be discussing today.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
When you say we don't take others, all you have to do is take a look at the southern border. We let 21 million people come through our border, totally unchecked, totally unvetted. They came from all over the world. In many cases, they're criminals. They come from prisons, they come from mental institutions, they come from street gangs, they're drug dealers.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, don't say that we didn't take them, we take them. We're trying to get them out as fast as we can and we're doing record business on that. And we just won a big case where we're allowed to send back hundreds of criminals to Venezuela, just won that today in the Supreme Court I'm happy to hear. But we do have a lot of -- a lot of people are very concerned with regard to South Africa.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And that's really the purpose of the meeting and we'll see how that turns out. But we have many people that feel they're being persecuted and they're coming to the United States. And we take from many locations if we feel there's persecution or genocide going on. And we had a lot of people.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I must tell you, Mr. President, we have had a tremendous number of people, especially since they've seen this. Generally, they're White farmers and they're fleeing South Africa and it's a very sad thing to see, but I hope we can have an explanation of that because I know you don't want that. And it's kind of a different meeting.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Normally, we have meetings, we talk about trade and we'll be talking about trade and other things, but that certainly will be a subject that comes up. Yeah. Please, Brian.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you very much. I'd like to get your thoughts on Letitia James. Director Pulte, according to him, Letitia James says that the alleged mortgage fraud was simply a mistake. I want to get your thoughts on that. She put down that her father was her husband, in order -- and this is very similar to, I guess, the false attacks they had on you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I don't know what it is currently, but Letitia James, who's the attorney general of New York State, it seemed -- I'm not involved in that at all. I know it's being handled by various groups, I guess, but it's major fraud, mortgage documents and fraudulent everything. Yeah, I think she said the father was her husband, which she had to have a husband or she chose her father and she put it down, and she had -- didn't she sign in Virginia -- yet she said she lived in Virginia and she's the New York state attorney general, and she did it for tax reasons, so she could take advantage of taxes.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And she had the wrong number of units. She had a much different number, which wouldn't have allowed her to qualify and scam the government, so I don't know. I think she's very bad for New York, but I really don't know too much about it, but I appreciate the question.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Yes, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you very much.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Yes, sir. Mr. President, what's it going to take for you to be convinced that there's no genocide?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Go ahead, please.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you, Mr. President. So May 25th, will be the celebration of Africa Day, which pretty much a lot of celebration will be taking place around the world, including here in the United States. What is your message to the entire African continent, African people in this important occasion?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I want to see peace and I want to see happiness. I want to see health and you have incredible land. It's tremendous value. A lot of countries don't have that value in the land, the value you have. We have a situation, I think you probably heard about it. We've done through some very talented people, helped settle a war that's been raging for years, Rwanda and the Congo.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I think we've done it. Believe it or not, I think we've done it. And could you just say a few words about that, my friend?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Massad Boulos
Yes, a couple of weeks ago, we signed -- they signed -- the two parties signed the Declaration of Principles, in which they've agreed on the way forward and they have both submitted their draft peace agreements. And we have put together one that incorporates both of their suggestions and we've given it to them.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Massad Boulos
So we're in the process of finalizing [Inaudible] --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Looking good, right?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Massad Boulos
Looking very good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
We have to thank you for even those efforts because the African continent, particularly SADC, our Southern African Development Community, has for years been seeking to foster peace in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. So all efforts, including those from outside the continent and inside the continent, are really worthwhile.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
We are removing our troops from there so that peace can then prevail in that whole area. And we hope that with the support of the international community, we will really have peace in that area. It's so vital. It's so important for the whole region.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, we sent our people there, and I think we did a very good job. I [Inaudible] by my friend, and that was great. That was great. I mean, I'm just hearing phenomenal reports because all I'm hearing is death, death and they're chopping heads off, and it's horrible over there. And it was really brave of you to go there, and I really appreciate it and it looks like we have something very substantial.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We also talked about trade with them in terms of rare earth and all. But really, more for the -- it's like, if you take a look at what we just did with Pakistan and India, we settled that whole thing, and I think I settled it through trade. We're doing a big deal with India. We're doing a big deal with Pakistan.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I said, what are you guys doing? Somebody had to be the last one to shoot, but the shooting was getting worse and worse, bigger and bigger, deeper and deeper into the countries. And we spoke to them and we -- I think we -- I hate to say we got it settled and then two days later, something happens and they say it's Trump's fault.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But Pakistan has got some excellent people and some really good -- a great leader. And India is my friend, Modi --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
-- Modi, a mutual friend.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, he's a great guy and I called them both and we just did something good. We're trying to settle Russia, Ukraine, spoke with President Putin for two and half hours the day before yesterday. I think we made a lot of progress, but that's a bloodbath. 5,000 people are being killed a week, 5,000 soldiers a week, not including people in cities and towns that are also being killed.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, we're trying to help.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
[Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And it doesn't affect us. It's not our people. It's not our soldiers, it's not our -- it's Ukraine and it's Russia. But if we can save 5,000 souls, we'll do it. We're pretty good at it, but that's a bad situation. That is a really bad situation.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Well, you recall when President Zelenskyy was coming to South Africa, that's when I spoke to you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And we both agreed that we need to push the peace message so that it can really be peace. And we've been involved in the Ukraine-Russia conflict for quite a while, to my Minister of State Security here. We've been dealing with them. The exchange of children were taken away, going through names and addresses and all that.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
So we've been invested in that whole process as well. And the moves that you are making are fully supported by us because we would like to see the end of that war.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Sure. I call Zelenskyy and they said, he's in South Africa. I said, what the hell is he doing in South Africa?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
He is talking to us.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And we got to speak. That's a strange one. I said, what are you doing in South Africa?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Yes.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's a strange one.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
He's trying to make peace. We're taking him -- we were lucky because we had the great Nelson Mandela who taught us how to create peace, to make peace. So we were imparting some of those lessons to him, some of those learnings. And I specifically mentioned to him that this is how Nelson Mandela taught us, that when you want to have a peace in a country, do it on an unconditional basis and sit down and talk.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And that's precisely what I'm sure he's going to [Inaudible] going forward.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, we're going to see what happens with that when it's a lot of -- there's a lot of hatred. There's a lot of death. It's a bloodbath.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
It is. It is, Unfortunately.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I get the satellite pictures of that field, of that killing field. You never saw anything like it in your life. It's horrible. It's a horrible thing that goes on, but I think we've made big progress.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
South Africa, South Africa --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah. Please, go ahead.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you, Mr. President. On Gaza --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, no, not you. Right here. He's from South Africa. Go ahead, please.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
What are you expecting on the ICJ case? Are you expecting South Africa to drop that? Is that what you're trying to do?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
On which case?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
The ICJ case against Israel.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Criminal Justice.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
International Criminal Court.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I don't expect anything, to be honest. I really don't. I don't know. They've got cases, a lot of anger there, tremendous anger. I don't expect anything. We'll see what happens. We'll have a ruling and who knows what the ruling is going to mean. Yeah?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
On that subject of Gaza. Mr. President, are you going to be speaking to Prime Minister Netanyahu about Israel's renewed offensive there? There's been a lot of concern from European countries. The Pope has expressed concern. Are you going to be asking Prime Minister Netanyahu to tone down the offensive in Gaza to let more aid in?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Was that a question or a statement?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
It's a question, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You never change. Go ahead, please.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, this side. What would it take from you for you to be convinced that there's no white genocide in South Africa?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Well, I can answer that for president. It's for him --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I'd rather have him answer it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
I know the answer. It would be --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
My president will respond to you. Thank you, Mr. President.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
It will take President Trump listening to the voices of South Africans, some of whom are his good friends, like those who are here. When we have talks between us around a quiet table, it will take President Trump to listen to them. I'm not going to be repeating what I've been saying. I would say, if there was Afrikaner Farmer genocide, I can bet you these three gentlemen would not be here, including my Minister of Agriculture.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
He would not be with me. So it will take him, President Trump, listening to their stories, to their perspective. That is the answer to your question.<end_of_turn>
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Thank you, Mr. President.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But Mr. President, I must say that we have -- no, no, wait. Uh, we have thousands of stories talking about it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Sure.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And we have documentaries. We have, uh, news stories on that. Is Natalie here? Is somebody's here to turn that? I could show you a couple of things. And I would -- I just -- I have to -- it has to be responded to.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Yeah, sure, we do.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Let me see the articles please if you would? And turn -- excuse me, turn the lights down. Turn the lights down and just put this on. It's right behind you, Johan.<end_of_turn>
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[Begin video clip. Source is available here: https://x.com/whitehouse/status/1925232291220951370]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Julius Malema
[Video clip] There's nothing this parliament can do with or without you. People are going to occupy land. We require no permission from you, from the president from no one. We don't care. We can do whatever you want to do. Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy land or not? We are going to occupy land. South African occupied land. 00:21:28-00:22:08 (40 sec)<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Julius Malema
[Video clip] That's who we are -- Mr. Speaker -- Mr. Speaker -- Who can withdraw my membership from this useless parliament. Honorable -- Yes. Honorable member -- Must never be scared to kill. A revolution demands that at some point there must be killing because the killing is part of a revolutionary act. Shoot to kill. 00:22:31-00:23:22 (50 sec)<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Julius Malema
[Video clip] [Untranslated]. Kill the poor, the farmer, kill the poor the farmer. [Inaudible] You must kill who are the farmer. Kill the poor. The farmer. The mayor of the DA and BE is a white man. So these people when you want to hit them hard, go after a white man. They feel a terrible pain because you have touched a white man.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Julius Malema
[Video clip] Not because Mashaba and Msimanga will not be touched. There will be touched, don't worry. But we are starting with this whiteness. We are cutting the throat of whiteness. [Inaudible] shoot to kill. [Inaudible] Kill the poor, the farmer. Kill the poor the farmer. [Inaudible] Shoot to kill. Come on, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Julius Malema
[Video clip] Kill the poor. The farmer. [Applause] Kill the poor. The farmer. [Inaudible] I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I'm saying to you was not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Unidentified
[Video clip] But I guess you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets shared on Twitter. They freak out. It sounds like a genocidal --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Unidentified
[Video clip] Ah, [Inaudible]. [Untranslated] Expropriate land without compensation whether they like it or not. If they object they can seek refugee in America.<end_of_turn>
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[End video clip]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
3 of 144 paragraphs scored. Now this is very bad. These are the -- these are burial sites right here. Burial sites. Over a thousand of white farmers. And those cars are lined up to pay love on a Sunday morning. Each one of those white things you see is a cross. And there's approximately a thousand of them. They're all white farmers.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
The family of white farmers. And those cars aren't driving. They're stopped there to pay respects to their family member who was killed. Uh, and it's a terrible sight. I've never seen anything like it. Both sides of the road you have crosses.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Unidentified
Where is that?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Those people were all killed.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Have they told you where that is, Mr. President?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
No, I'd like to know where that is because this I've never seen.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I don't.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
OK.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I mean it's in South Africa, that's --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
You need to find out.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
[Inaudible] About those people.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
I don't know. Who knows.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
OK.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, the Pentagon announced that it would be accepting a Qatari jet to be used as Air Force One. Perhaps you'd like to --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
What you talking about.<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President -- The Pentagon -- the Pentagon spokesperson.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
What does this have to do with the Qatari jet? They're giving the United States Air Force a jet, OK? And it's a great thing. We're talking about a lot of other things. It's NBC trying to get off the subject of what you just saw. You are a real -- you know, you're a terrible reporter.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Then I ask you --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Number one, you -- you don't have what it takes to be a reporter. You're not smart enough.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you, sir. But for you to go into a subject about a jet that was given to the United States Air Force, which is a very nice thing. They also gave $5.1 trillion worth of investment in addition to the jet. Go back -- you ought to go back to your studio at NBC because Brian Roberts and the people that run that place, they ought to be investigated.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They are so terrible the way you run that network. And you're a disgrace. No more questions from you. Go ahead.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Note
[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Go ahead.<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Go ahead, talk about that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Please, may we have --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
His name is Peter something. He's a terrible --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
If they're committing genocide, why invite them to the White House?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
I'll be quiet, sure, but that's my question though.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Let's go.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you so much, President Trump. [Inaudible] Ian CA in South Africa. Thank you very much for hosting us.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you very much. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Uh, what would you like President Ramaphosa to do about the situation that we just seen on the screen?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I don't know -- I don't know. Uh, all -- look, these are articles over the last few days, uh, death of people. Death, death, death, horrible death, death. I don't know.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
But you know that --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Pick any one of them. White South Africans are fleeing because of the violence and racist laws. And this is all -- I mean, I'll give these to you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Unidentified
I'd like to --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So when you -- when you say what would I like to do, I don't know what to do.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
I mean, but --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Look at this. White South African couple say that they were attacked violently.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
President Trump, when we you go and see for yourself if it is --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I can do that. Look, here's burial sites all over the place. They're all --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
President Trump --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
These are all white farmers that are being buried.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
President Trump --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And he asks about a jet that was given.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
My first question --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You ought to be ashamed.<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know, you -- you are so bad. You're such a bad reporter.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
If they are committing genocide, why invite them?<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Unidentified
Sitting president --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
May I finish please, President Trump? President Trump -- Mr. President Trump --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
This is one after another. This family was wiped out. I'm just -- looking.<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Can we get -- What is your reaction to those videos, Mr. President? President Trump --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I think it's -- I think the videos are so --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
More than white people?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, no, when you look at the videos, I mean, how does it get worse? And these are people that are officials and they're saying that kill the white farmer and take their land. That's what it is.<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I mean, I have other friends in South Africa. I have people that left. One in particular that says it's -- you can't go there.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He said they want to take your land. They take your land and they kill you. It's OK and they say it's OK to do. No, we're going to talk about it, but this is a tremendous -- look, this is a story recent. These are all people that recently got killed.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Unidentified
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I don't know how it can get any worse. These are all --<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
President Trump --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And you know the man that you saw -- the men that you saw, the people that you saw in that movie, those are officials. Those are people that were in office. They had -- 1st March, they had a dance in your parliament, whatever you may call it, legislature and it was terrible --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And let -- let me clarify that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Let me clarify that because what you saw, the speeches that were being made, one, that is not government policy. We have a multi-party democracy in South Africa that allows people to express themselves, political parties to adhere to various policies and in many cases or in some cases those policies do not go along with government policy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Our government policy is completely, completely against what he was saying even in the parliament. And they're a small minority party which is allowed to exist in terms of our constitution.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But you do allow them to take land.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
No, no, no, no.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You do allow them to take land.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Nobody can take land.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Then when they take the land, they kill the white farmer. And when they kill the white farmer, nothing happens to them.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
No. There is quite --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Nothing happens to them.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
There is criminality in our country, people who do get killed, unfortunately, through criminal activity are not only white people, majority of them are black people. And we have now --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
The farmers are not black. We don't say that's good or bad, but the farmers are not black. And the people that are being killed in large numbers, and you saw all those grave sites, and those are people that -- loved ones going, I guess on a Sunday morning they tell me, to pay respect to their loved ones that were killed, their heads chopped off.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They died violently and, I mean, we're here to talk about it and I didn't know we'd get involved here. But I will say this, that if the news wasn't fake like NBC, which is fake news, totally, one of the worst, ABC, NBC, CBS, horrible. But if they weren't fake news like this jerk that we have here, if we had real reporters, they'd be covering it, but the fake news in this country doesn't talk about that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They don't want to talk about it, but now they have to talk about it, but they won't. This won't even be a subject. They'll have him talking about why did a country give a free -- think of this, why did a country give an airplane to the United States Air Force? OK, the United States, not to me, to the United States Air Force.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, they can help us out because we need an Air Force One until our Air Force One is being built, two of them being built. But Boeing's a little bit late unfortunately. So, why did they give us a plane to the United States Air Force? That's what that idiot talks about after viewing a thing where thousands of people are dead.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
I'm sorry, I don't have a plane to give you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I wish you did, I'd take it. I would take it. If your country offered the United States Air Force a plane, I would take it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
OK. But coming back to this issue, which I really would like us to talk about and talk about it very calmly. We were taught by Nelson Mandela that whenever there are problems, people need to sit down around a table and talk about them.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, there are problems.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And this is precisely what we would also like to talk about, including of course trade matters, investment matters. So, the issues that concern you as the United States are --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Those are all deaths.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Yeah. In many ways I mean one should say you are a partner, partner of South Africa and you are raising concerns. And these are concerns that we are willing to talk to you about. Let me just add quickly, you know, the criminality that we are experiencing in our country needs quite a lot of technological capability.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And in one of our areas in South Africa, we're using US technology, which is able to, in many ways, identify where shootings are happening and all that. And I'd like to talk about that because there is support that we can get from you as the United States to help us deal with all these acts of criminality.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And that is what I believe partnership is all about. And we are here as a partner so that we can help each other whenever there are challenges. So, I'd like us to discuss it and, of course, outside of the media so that we sit down and have a really good discussion that will lead to good outcomes.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President --<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- are there any other punitive measures that could be in place should you not be satisfied that South Africa is fixing some of the very bad things in inverted comments that you tweeted are happening?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, there are a lot of bad things happening in many countries, but this in particular has been very, very bad -- very bad. And because of -- we're going to have the whole world watching in another short period of time because you have the G20 and that's a big deal. And it seems -- it seems like, I mean I want you to look good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I don't want you to look bad. But we have hundreds of people, thousands of people trying to come into our country because they feel they're going to be killed and their land is going to be confiscated. And you do have laws that were passed that gives you the right to confiscate land for no payment. You can take away land for no payment.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
I want to clarify that because we have a Constitution. Our Constitution guarantees and protects the sanctity of tenure of land ownership. And that Constitution protects all South Africans with regard to land ownership. However, we do say, because we've got to deal with the past, the government and -- as your government also has the right to expropriate land for public use.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And you're doing that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
And we've never really gotten underway with that and we are going to be doing --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You're taking -- you're taking people's land away from them. And those people in many cases are being executed. They're being executed. And they happen to be white and most of them happen to be farmers. And that's a tough situation. I don't know how you explain that. How do you explain that? They're taking people's land away and, in many cases, those people are being executed.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And in many cases it's not the government that's doing it, it's people that kill them and then take their land and nothing happens to them. But we have thousands of people that want to come into our country. They're also going to Australia in a smaller number. But we have thousands of people that want to come into our country and they're white farmers and they feel that they're going to die in South Africa and it's a bad thing.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, please.<end_of_turn>
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[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
What can South Africa do? What concessions would you like to see them make to improve relations with the United States? Then I have one more for President Ramaphosa afterwards.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, you know, we just spoke about, I got them a very, very complex machine, 150 of them and I was asked by the president if I could help and I did that. And you know, I have great feeling for all countries. Look, I deal with all countries, but I have a great feeling for South Africa because I have friends.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I have a couple of friends, a few friends here today, but I have many friends from South Africa. But many of those friends are -- they can't go back. I have -- Elon is from South Africa. I don't want to get Elon involved. That's all I have to do, get him into another thing. But Elon happens to be from South Africa.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
This is what Elon wanted. He actually came here on a different subject, sending rockets to Mars, OK? He likes that better. He likes that subject better, but Elon is from South Africa and I don't want to talk to him about that. I don't want to -- I don't think it's fair to him. But I will say that people are fleeing South Africa for their own safety.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Their land is being confiscated and in many cases they're being killed. And that scene of -- you see how many crosses they had. Those crosses, that's a dead person in every one of them. And those trucks or cars are paying their respects to all of those dead people on a Sunday morning. That's a rough thing to explain away.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And the problem we have and the way -- a correct and a fair media exposes things. But we have a very corrupt media. They won't even report this. If this were the other way around it would be the biggest story. Now I will say apartheid, terrible. That was the biggest story, that was reported all the time.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
This is sort of the opposite of apartheid. What's happening now is never reported. Nobody knows about it. All we know is we're being inundated with people -- with white farmers from South Africa. And it's a big problem. Marco Rubio was telling me he's never seen anything like it. The numbers of people that want to leave South Africa because they feel they're going to be dead very soon.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yes, please.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
I was going to say.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Brian?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
If I could just ask you a question, 72 percent of farmers in your country are white. If they flee, do you feel that maybe the economy could collapse, you may not have a gap to fill in those people that need to replace those farmers?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
You know, I'd like my Minister of Agriculture, who is white, who comes from an opposition party to mine, who's joined my government at my invitation to address this very issue, including the question that you've just raised. John?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>John Steenhuisen
Thank you very much, Mr. President. And Mr. President, thank you for welcoming us to the White House. I would say we have a real safety problem in South Africa. I don't think anyone wants to candy coat that. And it requires a lot of effort to get on top of it. It's going to require more policing resources, it's going to require a different strategy to be able to deal with it. But certainly, the majority of South Africa's commercial and smallholder farmers really do want to stay in South Africa and make it work.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>John Steenhuisen
And I've just come from the largest agricultural show in the Southern hemisphere with organized agriculture and farmers. And the majority of them want to stay. But they too, they have a memorial to those who've died as a result<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>John Steenhuisen
And as the Minister of Agriculture, it is something that I am particularly exercised with my colleagues at police and my colleagues in the justice cluster to start making farm attacks and stock theft a priority crime. And it affects all farmers in South Africa, particularly stock theft has a disproportionate effect on [Inaudible] Black farmers.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>John Steenhuisen
I also want to just say this, that the two individuals that are in that video that you've seen, are both leaders of opposition minority parties in South Africa, [Inaudible] Mr. Zuma and the Economic Freedom Fighters under Mr. Malema. Now the reason that my party, the Democratic Alliance which has been in opposition party for over 30 years, chose to join hands with Mr. Ramaphosa's party was precisely to keep those people out of power.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>John Steenhuisen
We cannot have those people sitting in the Union buildings making decisions. And that is why after 30 years of us exchanging barbs across the floor in Parliament and trying to get one over on each other, we've decided to join hands precisely to keep that lot out of Government, because the day they get in to the doors of the Union Buildings in South Africa, or control of our parliament, that's what you're going to see.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>John Steenhuisen
And that is why this government working together needs the support of our allies around the world so that we can strengthen our hand, grow our economy and shut the door forever on that rebel getting through the doors of the Union Buildings because then South Africa's future will be --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
So you denounce that type of language in the video that you saw?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Oh, yes. We've always done so. As government, as my own party, we are completely opposed to that. We, in 1955, adopted a document which said South Africa belongs to all who live in it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But why wouldn't you arrest that man? That man said, kill the White farmers, kill the White farmers and then he danced and he's dancing, dancing and it's kill the White farmers. I think, I'm not sure, but I think if somebody got up in Parliament and started saying kill a certain group of people, he would be arrested very quickly.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That man is going all over South Africa and that's not a small party. That was a stadium that holds 100,000 people and I hardly saw an empty seat. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of representation. And those crosses, where you have dead White people, dead White farmers mostly and you take a look at Australia, they're being inundated, and we're being inundated with people that want to get out.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And their farm is valueless. It's valueless, and they just want to get out with their life. And this is a very serious situation. And if we had a real news or real press, or media, we don't have that because they won't talk about this because they're all guys like that idiot. But if we had a real press, it would be exposed and the beauty of exposing it is it's like a cleansing action.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
When it gets exposed, it'll get fixed. That's when it will get fixed. But people don't talk about it. And I'll tell you who's talking about the thousands of people that are fleeing South Africa right now.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] discussed USAID and the devastating impact the cuts are having across the African continent?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, it's devastating and hopefully, a lot of people are going to start spending a lot of money. And I've talked to other nations. We want them to chip in and spend money too. And we've spent a lot and it's a tremendous problem going on, in many countries. A lot of problems going on. The United States always gets uh the request for money.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Nobody else helps, as you know. Europe doesn't help. Europe hasn't given anything. All they do is sue our companies. They sue Apple and they sue all of our companies. Apple had to pay $17 billion on a nonsense lawsuit, very unfair. But we're going to always be there to help.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] South African broadcasting. If this Afrikaner settlement issue is resolved, we're going to go into a room after this. You guys are going to talk. If it is resolved, what is the potential for the future looking relationship --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's fantastic, it's got to be resolved, it should be resolved. I mean, it's a little bit bad when you see a stadium with 100,000 people in it because that means it's more than just a little movement. It's a pretty big movement in South Africa. So it has to be resolved. It'll be the end of the country if it's not.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
But is there potential for the relationship moving?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I hope so. That's why I'm here. I mean, I'm not here for my health. I'm here to see if we can do something. No, I'd like to see. I have friends -- I can tell you, Ernie Els and Retief Goosen, they feel so strongly. They wanted to be here on behalf of South Africa, not on behalf of me. And they said, can we be here for this because they love the country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Ernie, do you guys want to say a couple of words or anything? I hate to put you in -- this is tougher than sinking a three-footer. Which, they have -- they've sank many, three-footers.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Ernie Els
Thank you, Mr. President, and thanks for the honor of being here. We've known each other a long time. We have spoken. We're proud South Africans, I still have my South African passport. We travel with this passport, and I got my visa here. But we wanted to see things get better in our own country and that's the bottom line.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Ernie Els
It's been 35 years since the transition. President Ramaphosa was right in the middle of the transition time, in 1990 and before that. So it's been 35 years of ANC government. And I know there's a lot of anger through the transition. There was a lot of stuff happening in the apartheid days. We grew up in apartheid era, but I don't think two wrongs make a right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Ernie Els
President Mandela, when he came out of prison for all that time, didn't come out with hatred, and really unified our nation with through sport. We won the Rugby World Cup in the '95.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Four times.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Ernie Els
We won the African Nations Cup, soccer. We won some majors as golfers and so forth. So what I'm trying to say is, this has been a long time coming. That's why we really wanted to meet you, meet the administration and see our way forward, because we still want to see our country flourish. We've got some great things going on, business is getting involved with government.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Ernie Els
Farming, farmers are getting involved in local municipalities, trying to rebuild some of the infrastructure that's been decaying for a long time. So there's a lot of co-existence going on and help from a lot of areas. But I feel we need the US push this thing through. We've got a great ally if we can have the US. It's always been an ally of South Africa for a very long time, even in the days of the war up in Angola.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Ernie Els
You guys helped us. So very important for us to have your support and get the change we need.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Boy, did you do that well. He might have done that even better than he plays golf, which is almost impossible. Johann, please.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
Mr. President, if you had to wind all of those tapes properly, you will see I'm the biggest target of that rabble rouser, number one for over 10 years, Mr. Maleva. In fact, the first time I met him, he was in the youth league with that gentleman and look how he's changed.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
We have too many deaths, but it's across the board. It's not only White farmers, it's across the board and we need technological help. We need Starlink at every little police station. We meet drones. I actually got drones donated for the peace parks to stop elephant and rhino --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Poaching.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
-- poaching. And his predecessor stopped the importation because he said the United States would spy on us. I mean, US basically the ridicule. So if you can help us -- remember, sir, you and I lived in New York in the 70s. We never thought New York could be what it became, two commissioners, a tough mayor.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
We need your help to stop this awful killing, but it's across the board. Ernie is right now building a house in George. I'm building three cottages for my grandchildren on a farm outside Graaf-Reinet. I often go to bed without locking the door.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
And we have a serious problem with illegal aliens. We stream across the border. And if you really look at our statistics, a lot of these murders firstly it's unemployment and -- and illegal aliens. And then, I met Vice President Vance many years ago on the Charlie Rose show. My wife loved his book.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
And she reminded me this morning that you emphasized the devastation that occurs when big companies leave towns and cities. And there's a culture of dependency that develops. I remember you discussing it. Now, that's our problem. If we don't get our economy to grow the culture of dependency and the lawlessness will increase.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
I've been against apartheid all my life and I'm their number one target please, just Google, my name in Malema. [Laughter] You'll see it, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
He marched on the --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But the crime is bad.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
The crime is terrible, sir, but Mr. [Inaudible] won't admit to it, but he runs the Western Cape where I live. And the biggest murder rate is in the Cape Flats. Gangs.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
We've got gang warfare like your M33 or whatever these guys --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Johann Rupert
We've got equivalents there. But we need your help, sir, and we need Elon Technology.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Well, one of the real areas of -- of support is really in investments. We've got to grow our economy. Because through growing the economy, we're then able to create more jobs. Because crime really thrives where there is inequality and unemployment. And that is one of the reasons that has brought us here to improve our investment relations, our trade relations.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
So that we can preserve the number of jobs that the oil companies have created in South Africa. By virtue of what we export to you, we are able to create up to 500,000 jobs in the auto industry, in the agricultural industry and a number of other industries. Mining where we export things to you. And we also know that as South African companies invest here, you are also able to create jobs.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
So it's a mutually beneficial relationship. So our main, main real reason for being here is to foster trade and investment so that we are able to grow our economy, your support and so that we're are also able to address all these societal problems. Because criminality thrives when people are unemployed, when they have no other hope to eke out a living.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
So that is what we need to resolve. And your support, your partnership with us is what is really going to give us a strong, strong capability to move forward.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Mr. --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Note
[Crosstalk]<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Excuse me. Do you have anything to say? I mean, I don't want to leave you out. [Laughter] You know the guy won three or four majors, was it three or four?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Retief Goosen
Only two. [Laughter]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's a lot. [Laughter] By the way, two's a lot. A lot of tournaments you won too. Do you have anything to say?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Retief Goosen
Yeah, thank you, Mr. President, President Ramaphosa. I grew up in an area in South Africa that is a farmland area, Polokwane.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Cyril Ramaphosa
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Retief Goosen
And um, there is some issues up there, obviously. Uh, my dad was a property developer as well as a part time farmer. And yeah, some of these buddy farmers got killed. Um, the farm is still going. My brothers run it. But it's a constant battle with farms trying to get -- they're trying to burn the farms down to uh, chase you away.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Retief Goosen
So it is -- it is a concern to try and make a living as a farmer. And at the end, they, you know, without farmers, there's no food on our plate. So we need -- we need farmers to produce the farming.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And your brother was farming, right? He wouldn't do it -- you wouldn't even want to do what you're doing, right? They love farming. They don't want to leave. But it's a -- it's a struggle.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Retief Goosen
Yeah, and you know, food -- food and fresh water is the most important thing in life. You know, without those two things you can't survive.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
How is the water there?<end_of_turn>
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