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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- I won't -- I won't comment on that, but we had a great success yesterday. We have a full cease fire when it -- if it kicks in. We have to see. It's up to Russia now, but we've had a good relationship with both parties, actually, and we'll see. We'll be knowing people are going to Russia right now as we speak and hopefully we can get a cease fire from Russia.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And if we do, I think that would be 80 percent of the way to getting this horrible bloodbath finished. It's a bloodbath is taking place over there. On average 2 to 3000 young people a week are being killed in that stupid war that would have never happened if I were president. So, we have people going over there.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Mr. VP, do you have anything to say about it because you're very much involved? What's going to happen?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>JD Vance
Yes, sir. Well, we've got some conversations that are happening on the phone and in person with some of our representatives over the next couple of days. As the president said, we think that we're in a very good place where the Ukrainians have agreed to a ceasefire and we're now going to see whether we can get the Russians to agree to a cease fire, too.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>JD Vance
And we'll certainly have news on that when we -- when we find out that news.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Are you confident that Vladimir Putin will keep the ceasefire, considering that he's broken them in the past?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I haven't -- we haven't spoken to him yet with substance because we just found out and we just were able to get Ukraine to agree. So, we're going to know very soon. I've gotten some positive messages, but a positive message means nothing. This is a very serious situation. This is a situation that could lead to World War III and Biden should have never let it happen.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Incompetence allowed this to happen. This shouldn't have happened. October 7th in the Middle East should have never happened with Israel. The horrible leaving the way they left Afghanistan should have never happened. Inflation should have never happened. You know, we have great inflation numbers, by the way, just got released.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Inflation is way down and it's based on what we've done and we've done it in a very short period of time. You know, we had virtually no inflation. For four years, we had almost no inflation and when these characters took over, we went from no inflation to the worst inflation probably in the history of our country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, it's a very interesting. Go ahead.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Are you going to retaliate against --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- And by the way, I have to speak of inflation. I love these socks. What's with these socks? [Laughter]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
President Trump --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>JD Vance
It's -- it's in honor of the peace talks, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I'm trying to stay focused, but I'm very impressed with the VPs socks.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President -- -- What does it say to you that the United States is recognized as having such an important role in the peace process and yet half the parties from the Northern Ireland government have decided not to come to the Saint Patrick's Day celebrations?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They haven't what?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
They haven't come over. They're boycotting the Saint Patrick's Day celebration.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
What are they boycotting?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
They are talking about your position on Gaza as one of the reasons.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, I haven't heard that. I really haven't heard that. Look --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
-- Can I just say, I pay tribute to the president on the peace initiatives. The one thing we've learned in Ireland about the peace process that you've just spoken about, and I recall back in the early 90s when the first tentative steps to get peace in Ireland, people criticized people like John Hume or people like Albert Reynolds, and then Taoiseach, but they kept going.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
And when we got that ceasefire in '93, ok, it took a number of years to get the comprehensive peace settlement. But again, the guns more or less largely went silent. The war in Ukraine is a devastating war on young people. And I think that very simple, straightforward narrative is to be commended. And we all have children.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
I mean, we would be shocked at the prospect of young people losing their lives in that number, be they Ukrainian, be they Russian, whatever. Anything we can do to stop the violence, I think, is an extremely positive thing. And there will be all sorts of people having qualifications on it and all the rest of it. It's our job then to work on it and to try and build it for US and everything.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President -- -- Mr. President, your office --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- And I will say, and thank you for that, but I will say last week, 2,500 young people died while we sit here and talk. And while they talk about peace, but they've been talking about peace -- this should have never happened. This war should have never happened. It would have never happened if I was president.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's what makes me more angry than anything else because you've had far more people die than they report than these people report for whatever reason. But you had far more people. The numbers are far more devastating. You'll find that out someday and it doesn't affect you very much. They're not Irish and they're not from my country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They're from Russia, mostly. Almost all from Russia and from Ukraine. And people could say why are you doing this? Why are you involved in that? Because there -- 2,000 people a week are dying and they have families and they have mothers and they have fathers and they have sisters and they have brothers and friends and they're dying.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I've seen the pictures, the satellite pictures that we see all the time and it looks like Gettysburg in its prime because that was, they say, one of the most horrific battles ever. You have kids lying all over these fields that are dead because the weapons today are unbelievable. Between drones and various types of guns, I'm not even talking about beyond that with the -- with the big babies, you understand what I mean.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I hate to even mention the name, the nuclear name, I hate to mention it. But you have weapons today that are so powerful. And I see kids every week.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I see pictures of kids laying all over the field dead, they're dead -- beautiful kids, they're dead. And they're not from here and they're not from where you are, but he's working very -- we're all working hard to get this thing finished. It's crazy, over nothing, and it's not going to go anywhere. It's just a terrible situation [Crosstalk]. And I think we have a chance to get it done.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, we've gotten half of it as a ceasefire. And if we can get Russia to stop, then we have a full ceasefire. And I think it'll never go back to war. I think something will happen [Crosstalk].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Can I ask you about Putin's relationship with Israel? There's been a lot of talk recently the governments are looking to bring in what's called the Occupied Territories Bill, which would ban goods from occupied territories. I know you met with Prime Minister Netanyahu recently. Did Ireland come up in that conversation?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Did he raise any concerns about the Irish [Crosstalk]?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
One thing I'll tell you, you're not from Israel, that's for sure, right [laughter]. She is definitely not from Israel. It's an interesting question coming from you. We talk about everything. Israel has been under siege, as you can see, and they had to fight back. October 7th, was a terrible thing. People don't like to mention it, but it was a terrible, terrible day in the life of the world.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And it's amazing the way people don't mention that, but it was a -- I've never seen anything like it. Those are other clips I get to see. You know, as president you get to see clips that you'd rather not see. But I see clips and that was a terrible day for the world and we're working hard with Israel. We're working hard to see if we can solve the problem.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I will say I just saw 10 hostages and they were treated really badly. They were really treated badly. I was shocked. I asked them, was there any kindness shown? They were in there -- one was in there for 500 days; one was 323 days. I said was there any -- 10 of them. I said was there any kindness displayed?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Like, did they ever say, don't worry, you'll be okay, or give you a little wink or give you like an extra slice of bread or something? And everybody said -- all of these people said zero, it was hatred, it was pure hatred. So, I mean that's a very deep-seated problem, you have a big problem.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] some advice? Could you give the taoiseach some advice? Ireland is in the midst of a housing crisis now, and I know you have a lot of experience as a businessman. How can the state build tens of thousands of houses at speed?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know why they have a housing crisis? Because they're doing so well. They can't produce houses fast enough. That's a good problem, not a bad problem.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
That's a pretty good answer, president.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, It's true.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Will you put more tariffs on the EU, Mr. President? Mr. President, will you -- ?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Everybody should have that problem, that's OK.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Will you put more tariffs on the EU?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I know this gentleman, he'll get it solved.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Will you put more tariffs on the EU? Will you respond to their retaliation?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, of course, I'm going to respond.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
You will retaliate [Crosstalk]?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
The problem is our country didn't respond. Look, the EU was set up in order to take advantage of the United States.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Including Ireland? Is Ireland taking advantage of the US?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Of course they are. I can't -- you know, I have great respect for Ireland and what they did, and they should have done just what they did. But the United States shouldn't have let it happen. We had stupid leaders. We had leaders that didn't have a clue. Or let's say they weren't businesspeople, but they didn't have a clue what was happening.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And all of a sudden, Ireland has our pharmaceutical companies and others, this beautiful island of, it's island, of 5 million people has got the entire US pharmaceutical industry in its grasp. And you mentioned housing and you mentioned other things. I mean, I have property in Ireland, as you know, and I love it. It does great.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But I'd like to have -- I'd like to see the United States not have been so stupid for so many years, not just with Ireland, with everybody. You know, I looked at trade deals. I was telling the group yesterday I looked at trade deals in term one. It's one of the reasons I decided I had to do this because somebody had to straighten it out, and I didn't see anybody that was going to. I looked at trade deals that were so bad I'd actually say how is it possible that this could have happened?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Who would have been so stupid to let these deals happen? For instance, when the pharmaceutical companies started to go to Ireland, I would have said that's okay. If you want to go to Ireland, I think it's great. But if you want to sell anything into the United States, I'm going to put a 200 percent tariff on you so you're never going to be able to sell anything into the United States.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know what they would have done? They would have stayed here.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He's so lucky that I wasn't [Crosstalk].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] to Ireland, are you planning to lower corporate taxes to match Ireland's [Crosstalk]?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, we are planning to lower taxes, yes, if the Democrats behave. But the Democrats have no clue. You saw that the other night during the speech. Two young women were slaughtered by illegal aliens, one young man has very serious cancer and many other problems. When you looked at the people up there, they all had difficulty, very serious difficulty.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But when we're talking about two young girls, beautiful young girls, Laken Riley, you know the whole story, that evening was a disaster for the Democrats in my opinion. And I would mention -- and I'd see two mothers that were inconsolable as they stood, crying, their daughters have been absolutely just destroyed, killed, viciously killed.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And the young man who loves the police departments, he had cancer and has cancer, very bad cancer. There wasn't a -- from people sitting there, Democrats. There wasn't a hand clap, nobody stood. They were just stone faced. These people are sick. There's something wrong with them. There was no standing for anybody.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
The only thing they liked is when they heard about the death taking place with Ukraine, they were happy about that. They were happy about that. Well, Pocahontas was very happy. She's the one that was clapping. That's why I looked at her. I said, oh, it's Pocahontas. These people are sick. They don't know what's happening in the real world.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
The Democrats have to get their act together. And if they don't vote, then what you're going to do is you're going to have taxes that are going to go through the roof. You're going to have a very bad time. You're going to have some very bad things happen and people are going to blame the Democrats. And Schumer is a Palestinian as far as I'm concerned, he's become a Palestinian.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He used to be Jewish. He's not Jewish anymore. He's a Palestinian. OK.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] there's been a lot of on and off, some inconsistency --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
There's no inconsistency, only with NBC, which is one of the worst networks on television, by the way. Let me just tell you the inconsistency. I have the right, I have the right to adjust, and I would call -- I was called by the automakers, as an example, General Motors, Ford, etc., the big three, the big four.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And they asked me to do them a favor, could I delay it for a period of four weeks so that they're not driven into a little bit of a disaster for them? They actually love what I'm doing, but they had a problem. And I didn't -- I'm not like a block that just -- I won't delay. I have -- it's called flexibility.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's not called inconsistency; it's called flexibility, and I think you want me to be flexible too.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Is flexibility going to be your ongoing view towards -- ?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Sure, I'll always have flexibility, but there will be very little flexibility once we start. April 2nd is going to be a very big day for the United States of America. The United States of America is going to take back a lot of what was stolen from it by other countries and by frankly incompetent US leadership, grossly incompetent.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I gave you an example of Ireland. I would have never let that happen. Impossible for that to have happened. But we're going to take back our wealth and we're going to take back -- a lot of the companies that left are coming back. If you haven't read, we have the biggest computer chip company ever -- ever, has virtually all of the market.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They called -- I didn't call them; they called me, and they called for two reasons. Number one, we had a great election of somebody that they want running the country and we ran -- we won in a big mandate. We won every swing state. We won by millions of votes. We won by 2,750 districts out of -- to 500. Think of that, 2,750 districts to 500. That's why the map when you looked at it was entirely red, meaning Republican, not meaning communist [laughter]. So, anyway.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, look, this country needed somebody to defend it. It's this big, beautiful place that was being ripped off by illegal immigrants coming in from prisons, coming in from mental institutions, gang members, gang leaders, drug dealers, pouring into our country with the open borders. I am so angry at the last four years at what they've done to our country, what they've done to this country between inflation -- but maybe the most that bothers me is that they would allow millions of people to come into our country that are stone cold murderers, killers, drug dealers, the worst -- gang members, the worst people allowed into our country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And we're now getting them out, we're going to get them out, we're getting them out. I want to thank Tom Homan, by the way, he's doing a great job. And I want to thank Kristi Noem, who's doing a fantastic job. That's not a -- this is a job that's so unnecessary. This should have never happened.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
This should have never happened. So, we're bringing back our country in many ways, not only financially. And financially, we'll be stronger than ever before. I think the markets are going to soar when they see what's happening. I'll tell you what, I'm called every day by numerous big, big companies. I spoke at the Business Roundtable yesterday.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They had the largest attendance they've ever had, and these are only the CEOs and chairmen, but mostly the people that run, the boss, the people that run the top 150 companies. 150 people showed up. Every single company showed up first time it ever happened. It's been around a long time. The biggest business leaders.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We had a great discussion. Went really well. And I want to tell you, there's tremendous optimism out there about our country in terms of regulations being cut, in terms of taxes being cut. And it would be great if the Democrats would -- would do what's right. It would be great if the Democrats would do what's right for our country for a change because they really are -- they're -- they've lost their way.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They've lost their way. They think -- they think -- they think that people pouring into our country from prisons, jails, murderers, we have 11,088 murderers that were allowed into -- people that murdered people, half of which murdered more than one person in our country. We're getting them the hell out. But who would run it? Who would allow this to happen?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Who would allow men to play in women's sports? And they're still fighting it. They're still -- it's got to be a 95 percent issue, but they're on television this morning. I see this person, a Democrat saying we should have the right -- no, no. Men should not be allowed -- they're hurting women. They're hurting women very badly.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They're hurting women and they should not -- and they're also demeaning women. But who would want these things? And everything's transgender. Everybody transgender. That's all you hear about. Now, that's why we won the election in record numbers. But very importantly, now it is what it is. The Democrats should get with us and come up with good tax policy so that Ireland and other countries can't take our businesses away from us. And he understands exactly.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You guys did the right thing. I'm not upset with you. I think -- I respect what you've done. You've done a great job.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- But our people -- our people --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- [Inaudible] --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Our people did a very bad job --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- [Inaudible] -- -- How advanced are your plans to try and bring some of those companies back to America and will you be bringing --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Well, I'd love to have them back. I mean, I'd love to have them back, but he'll be fighting me on it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
I mean, what I would say, President, if I could --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- Do you have a response to that --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
-- If I could one second, just -- just make the point, it's a two way street too and we are investing a lot more in America now. And people may not realize, but Ryanair, one of our biggest airlines, for example --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- I'll trade --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
-- Aercap, they buy more -- the two of them together buy more Boeing airplanes than anybody else outside of America.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
That's a little known fact. It doesn't turn up in the statistics, but Ryanair and Aercap, big aircraft leasing company, Irish Company have done great work with Boeing and huge investments over the last couple of years, you know.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They do a good job.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
So -- and there's a lot of Irish companies here now, about 700 Irish companies based in America. Glanbia [sp], you know Smurfit [sp], what I was saying to you this morning, Vice President, a lot of them creating thousands of jobs in America. And it's only fair. I mean, that's correct.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
And that's the way it should happen. And I think it's a very good relationship. We have -- it's -- it's a historic one and it's happened over time. We've added value to American companies. We've increased our value, they've got access to the European market and they did all of that. I understand where you're coming from fully, but I think it's a relationship that we can develop and that will endure into the future and will change.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
It will adapt, you're evolving and you're doing things.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's true. And they've done a very good job. Now I just will say this, but with all that we've said we can talk about Ryanair. There's a massive deficit. I don't mean by a little bit. I mean, there's a massive deficit that we have with Ireland and with other countries, too, and we want to sort of even that out as nicely as we can and we'll -- we'll work together.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We're going to work together great, but the deficit is -- is massive.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Wait till you hear this one.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
You said earlier that it was now up to Russia in terms of the ceasefire. Is there anything you can do in terms of pressuring Russia or in terms of sanctions or what can you do?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah. Yeah, we can, but I hope it's not going to be necessary. Sure we can pressure. We can do that with Russia. Remember this, Russia took Georgia from Bush, right? They took Crimea from a man named, Obama. Barack Hussein Obama, right? They're trying to take the whole thing from Biden. They're going for the whole ball of wax.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Who is the only one that never took anything from? Trump. And in fact, I'm the one that stopped Nord Stream II, the pipeline, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world. I stopped it. It was dead and then Biden got in and he approved it. Nobody mentions that. What I did to Russia was very tough. I was the toughest ever.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But no -- they never took anything from me. They took him from Obama and Bush and they took it from Sleepy Joe Biden. With Biden, they wanted to take the whole country, but I think I've stopped that, but we'll see. But yeah, there are things you could do that -- that wouldn't be pleasant in a financial sense.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I can do things financially that would be very bad for Russia. I don't want to do that because I want to get peace. I want to see peace and we'll see. But in a financial sense, yeah, we could do things very bad for Russia. It would be devastating for Russia, but I don't want to do that because I want to see peace.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And we're getting close to maybe getting something done. We've got Ukraine done. And as you -- as you know, I've always said that Ukraine might have been the more difficult party. You saw -- you were here a week ago when some interesting things happened. I had somebody that didn't seem to want peace now he's agreed to peace.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So, we'll see what happens.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] -- -- [Inaudible] --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Brian? Brian?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Yes, thanks.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] First, I want to congratulate you and your lower inflation core ratings.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Gas prices going down, airline prices going down, but this is for the Irish gentleman here, if I can see him real quickly. Welcome to United States. You look -- you look great.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Nice suit.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's it. Now you feel good. He knows.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
What's coming next?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] on Make America Great Again, if you could run on MIGA, Make Ireland Great Again, what would your number one issue be for people in Ireland right now to make your country stronger? And I've got a two part question to that as well.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
The number one issue in Ireland is housing. To be honest, and I think it was correctly pointed out, we've got to build more houses. We've got to build them faster to give the young people of Ireland an opportunity to afford to buy a house or to afford to rent a house. We have a lot of other good things happening.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
That's my number one priority. What --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
-- Are you trying to perform -- -- And the second part of my question is Ireland is known for very happy, fun, loving people, great attitude, many in this room right now that I've met. Why in the world would you let Rosie O'Donnell move to Ireland? I think she's going to lower your happiness level.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's true. Thank you. I like that question. Do you know you have Rosie O'Donnell? Do you know who she is?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
Yes.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
I'm joking.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You're better off -- you're better off not knowing. [Laughter]<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Prime Minister -- Prime Minister, are you expecting -- are you expecting to inform the president your views on Gaza considering that you have diametrically opposed positions on the state of Palestine? Your country is one of three in Europe that recognizes the State of Palestine. Are you expecting to discuss this with the president?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Are you expecting to inform him?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
I don't -- I don't have to inform the president. He's very well clued into the whole situation. We share the president's, again, unrelenting focus on peace. And his envoy and the president himself, as soon as he came into office, went to get a ceasefire. We've been calling for a ceasefire for a long time.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
And we want to consolidate the peace. That is our fundamental -- we want the hostages out, I've been saying it from day one. It's a horrific thing to do to take someone as a hostage. And I went to Kibbutz Be'eri after October the 7th, in solidarity with Israel, and that gets forgotten, and I went a week or two afterwards.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
I saw the kibbutz. It was a shocking thing to see, even though it was a week or two after the horror. It was a village. You could see life going on prior to the attack. It was something that will not leave me. And so -- and I've been interested in the Middle East for a long, long time. It's complex and it's all of that.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
But we do desperately need the hostages out, all of them are. Far too long --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
-- Are you --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
-- Let me finish. And then we need a ceasefire. We need to consolidate that. We need a surge of humanitarian aid into Gaza because, again, there's too many children and too many people starving and so on. Just too many -- and it's that humanitarian impulse is what motivates the Irish in respect of its views.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
And I've always been of the view, it's been our view that a two state solution would be ideal. It's become much more challenging and difficult as time has moved on, but that has always been our -- our position. But it's genuinely to have people -- because we've gone through this, we discussed this prior to you coming in. We've been through some of this, people hating each other terrible acts of violence carried out on each other.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
We came through it. It's our earnest hope that Arab and Jewish people can live side by side. And I've met with people, parents of children who were killed on both sides and called parents circle and they worked to try and bring people together. It's difficult work.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
What about the president's plan to expel Palestinians out of Gaza? Are you discussing that with him and giving him your --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Nobody's expelling any Palestinians. I don't know -- who are you with?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
I'm with Voice of America, sir.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, no wonder. OK, Voice of --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] Can you explain how he feels about the president, just saying that he would like to take back US companies, pharma companies based in Ireland?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
Well, I think the pharmaceutical companies in Ireland are doing very well as the president has outlined. And, again, I think it's about that two-way partnership. I understand fully where the president is coming from. I think there's actually room that we can discuss all this. I think there's room for those companies to grow in America.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
And many of them, by the way have already announced fairly significant manufacturing investments now.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's true, just recently.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
Like people like Eli Lilly, for example, who have been a long-standing presence in Ireland since the 1970s. I spoke to the CEO recently. He's a great, great guy. And he's announced, I think about a $50 billion investment in America?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Plants, new plants.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
There's big investment, you know, they've had big investment in Ireland. Ireland has served them well too. The workforce is very strong. It's an educated workforce. They delivered well during COVID-19. A number of CEOs said to me, a lot of the plants in Ireland were the only plants that never closed for a single day during COVID, not a single day, productivity is good and so on like that, but there'll be swings and roundabouts.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] Mr. President, thank you so much. You spoke to President Putin for quite a while on the phone. So, I want to know your assessment. When you take this deal to him now, what do you -- how do you assess the chances of doing this?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I have no assessment, and I don't go by chance. I think it makes sense for Russia, a lot of downside for Russia too. And we have a very complex situation solved on one side, pretty much solved. We've also discussed land and other things that go with it. We're not just doing it and saying ceasefire and we don't know what's happening.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We know the areas of land we're talking about, whether it's pullback or not pullback. We've discussed a lot of the details of what has to go because we don't want to be wasting time. We don't want to be wasting time while people are dying. I mean, as we're sitting here, you probably had two people die on that very open field.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know, it's dead flat, it's great farmland and it's dead flat. There's no protection. The only thing that stops a bullet is a human body, and these are bodies that are young people and they're stopping a lot of bullets because a lot of bullets are flying across those level fields. Dead flat, no protection whatsoever.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It is a disaster. And so, I hope he's going to -- I hope he's going to have a ceasefire.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] You are using the American leverage to get a lot of political issues that [crosstalk].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I don't want to get into that, but if I had to, I'm the only one that's dealt with them successfully. Everyone else went through it, Bush didn't deal with them successfully, dealt with them terribly, got ripped off. And Obama was a disaster. You know, they have with Obama, he gave them sheets and I gave them anti-tank missiles, you know that, right?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's called javelin. You know the javelin? I'm the one that gave him the javelins. People don't say that. And then they say, oh, Trump has a great relationship with Russia. I'm the one that gave him the javelins, Obama gave him sheets. That's an expression, he gave sheets, I gave javelins, so.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] Mr. President, how worried should the undocumented Irish be about your administration that you don't round them up and send them over here?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, I think the Irish love Trump. We won the Irish with a tremendous amount of votes. I want to thank you very much. We won in the 80s with Irish, I got the Irish vote. I think I have it locked up pretty good unless I did something very stupid like drained your company, your wonderful place of all of its companies.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
If I drained Ireland of all of the -- maybe I'd lose the Irish vote, I don't know. But right now, no, I love your -- I love it. I've been there many times, as you know, and we don't want to do anything to hurt Ireland. We want it -- but we do want fairness, and he understands that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] Mr. President, [Inaudible] on the markets, you [crosstalk].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, that's enough, Kelly. Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
But [Inaudible] is there anything that the Taoiseach could say to you today that would dissuade you from going out and [Off-mic]?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I can't hear it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, it's Irish-American appreciation month [Inaudible]. Who's your favorite Irish person?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, there are so many, are you kidding me? Well, I do happen to like your fighter. He's got the best tattoos I've ever seen. I don't know if I'm a big [Inaudible], but that --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Conor McGregor. Was that [Inaudible] Joe Biden? Conor.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Boy, you have -- O'Connor's great, right? You know, talking about Conor, but you have a lot of them -- you have a lot of great Irish fighters actually, great fighters. I don't know what that is, but Ireland's always had a lot of good fighters. You know why? Because they're tough people, they're smart people and they're passionate people.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And they really have been over the years so many -- I think your father was a great fighter, right?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
He was. [Inaudible].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Wow, and yet look at you, you're so smooth and so --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
He was a very good defensive boxer, he could weave.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He was a really good --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
He was a good boxer, yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
For Ireland, boxed for Ireland and fought some very good [crosstalk].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That means you're genetically -- I'm not going to mess around, yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Do you follow any Irish golfers?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
OK, let's -- a couple more from somebody that didn't ask a question. Yeah, please go ahead.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, should Apple go back to the US from Ireland?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Who?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Apple?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, Apple's been treated very badly. Look, Apple had tremendously bad luck. I thought they had a very good lawsuit, but they lost.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
Yeah, we fought with them.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
$16 billion, $16 billion, and they were after a lot of our American companies. See, that's what's unfair. It's the European Union. I'm not blaming you. I'm blaming the European Union. The European Union's gone after our companies and Apple is a great company and they have to give $16 billion, $17 billion on a lawsuit that I didn't think was a good lawsuit.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, that's not good. No, the European -- we have a problem with the European Union. They don't take our farm products. They don't take our cars. We take millions of cars, BMWs and Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagens and everything. We take millions of cars. I said to Angela Merkel at the time, I said, Angela, how many Chevrolets do we have in the middle of Munich?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Why, none. I said, you're right, we have none. That's the way it is. We have none. No, I'm not happy with the European Union, I want to tell you. And we're going to win that. We're going to win that financial battle. It's a financial battle.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Crosstalk] European cars, Mr. President, tariffs on European cars. Is that something you're now considering?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, absolutely, I will do that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, [crosstalk].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Think of it, they have millions of cars coming in, millions and millions of cars, one of probably the largest, Japan's very big too. But -- and they don't accept our cars. We make great cars. They don't have our cars, but we have their cars. They don't have our farm products. We have the greatest farmers in the world.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They don't accept our farm products, and we accept theirs. So, things are going to change unless they do what they have to do, and they know what they have to do. This is not going to be a tough battle. In my opinion, not going to be tough. Just like when Ontario charged us, everybody said, oh, they just charged us. This will be won in one hour.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I announced what we were going to do and they withdrew their little threat. And what they don't say in Canada is that 270 percent -- have you ever heard that? We have tariffs on dairy products from Canada of 270 percent going up to 400 percent. You never hear that. Canada is absolutely one of the worst, and when I say worst, worst in terms of charging tariffs.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Their dairy products, they charge our farmers 240, 250, 270 and 400 percent, OK. Think of that, for dairy products, and we charge them like peanuts. You know why? Because we've been improperly run for so many years. I had that all settled in my first term. But then of course Biden, you know, he let everything go to hell.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
One of the things we did is we took from China hundreds of billions of dollars, and I have great respect for President Xi, but he understood that. He understood it was a one-way street, and you can't have a one-way street, OK. One more question.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President, [crosstalk] of the Irish you might target your next travel ban?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Say it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Can you say which countries you might target in your next travel ban?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Wouldn't that be a stupid thing for me to say? [Crosstalk]. He said which countries am I going to target for the next travel ban. Can you believe somebody would ask that question?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
As part of the -- [Crosstalk] what tariff specifically are you going to put on Ireland?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, we're going to talk -- we're going to be talking really to the European Union. You know, I will tell you this one little -- we'll end it with this. So, I have a property, a big property in Ireland that you know well, it's one of the most highly rated hotels in all of Europe. It's beautiful, Doonbeg.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's beautiful, 600 acres on the ocean and everybody knows it and we have a beautiful hotel. And I was going to do a project there, a big expansion of the place. This was when I was a civilian, before the presidency, before I even thought about the presidency. But I was going to do a really beautiful expansion of the -- because it does very well.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I got the approvals from Ireland so quickly. They were so professional, they wanted it. You know, it's economic development, it's jobs, it's construction jobs, it's a big expansion, beautiful expansion. But I was told something that bothered me. They said, sir, you also have to get approved by the European Union.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I said why do I have to go to the European Union to expand a hotel that's in Ireland? They said, well, that's the way it is. I say, well, shouldn't that go fast? They said no, it'll take at least seven years.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You gave me the approval in about four weeks. It was a beautiful professional -- if you took four years, you wouldn't have done a better job. You know, everything was done environmentally, everything. There's no reason to take very long. I had everything from Ireland in four weeks and then I hired somebody, he said the process will be from five to seven years and I said, oh, really?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And then I found out that they weren't playing games. Now, think about how bad that is for -- for your country. So that was my first experience with the European Union. And I dropped the project, I just said I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to go seven years to expand something. But I have to -- I'll hand it to Ireland, you were so professional, so good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But I don't know why European Union had to approve it and with them, it was -- it was deal -- and that's -- that's the European Union. So it was -- it was a very bad experience I had.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
I'll just say, President, you have the distinction of being, I think, the only president that has physically invested in Ireland.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's -- well, that's good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
Through your -- through your Dune Bay [sp].<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And it's been a good investment.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
And it's -- I mean, for anybody, you should go there, it's just stunning.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I love this.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
No, I mean, seriously, even if you don't play golf, I mean, it is a stunning landscape.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
Your people, your people have restored it very well and our people are going to continue to work with you on that piece to do it all sort of effectively and so on like that. We're going to continue to do that --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- They've had a great -- they've had a great relationship --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Micheál Martin
-- But it is -- and the local people, my local councilor, Rita McInerney, texted me last week to say and tell President Trump to thank his family for the way they've worked with the local community and for the work that they've done.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible] -- -- [Inaudible] -- -- Rory McIlroy [Inaudible] -- -- Visit to America, Mr. President --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- I love Rory. I think Rory is great. He's a great golfer. He just won two weeks ago. He's a great guy. I played golf with him three weeks ago and he's really a fantastic player. He's in good form, too. When he played with me, he played very well. I can tell you. I -- no, Rory -- Rory certainly is one of the favorites.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
He's always going to be one of the -- he's a very talented guy. He's a very good person, too.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Are you planning to visit the Doonbeg, Mr. President?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I will. I'll get there sometime. I hope -- I hope soon. In fact, if we meet, we'll meet at Doonbeg. I would love it, but I hope to be able to get there.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President does America have a future in NATO?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
What's that?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Does America have a future in NATO?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, NATO has to treat us fairly. If they pay their bills and if they do what they're supposed to do -- when I first got involved with NATO, as you know, they weren't paying their bills. There were 28 countries and most of them weren't paying and I got them to pay and they paid billions and billions of dollars.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I made a certain statement that I'm not going to be involved with NATO unless you're going to pay your bills. And I was asked the question, if we don't pay, are you going to help us? I said, no. If you don't pay, you're saying you're delinquent, a term -- a real estate term. You're delinquent. You're not paying your rent.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You're not paying your bills. If you're not paying your bills, I'm not going to help. Everybody -- we took in -- your secretary general will tell you. He was very generous to me. He said I've never seen anything like it. Money came in by the billions and billions and billions of dollars and NATO became much stronger.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Now, NATO has expended a lot of that money in fighting this horrible war and it's too bad they had to do that, but they had the money from me. I was the one that got people to pay. The countries -- most of the countries were not paying or they were paying a very small amount. So we'll see. But NATO can be a force for the good, absolutely.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Would you like to see Ireland join NATO, Mr. President?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's up to Ireland.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Do you think Ireland and the EU are to close? Do you think that perhaps, like you said --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- We are very close.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
No Ireland in the EU. Do you think there's too close relationships there? Do you think there needs to be a separation? Like you said, if you can't get planning permission when you get it in Ireland, but you can't get it through the EU, do you think --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Well, look, I can just tell you about my personal experience, that Ireland treated me very well and the EU was terrible and they stopped really a magnificent addition. It wasn't a big deal from the standpoint of the world. It wasn't like the things we're talking about now. But it would have been a very beautiful addition.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And they stopped it, which is bad for Ireland and I don't know why. I don't know why it would take five to seven years to get something approved, but that's what it was. Thank you all, very much.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Mr. President --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
-- Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Aide
Thank you, Press.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Aide
We're headed out. Thank you. Headed out right behind you right behind you. Right through this door. Thanks, guys. This way. This way.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
Thank you, Mr. President.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Thank you. Thank you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Question
[Inaudible]<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I should have.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Welcome back to Pod Force One. Today we're coming to you from the president's golf course in Turnberry, Scotland. I'm Miranda Devine and I'm joined by President Donald Trump.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Thank you so much, Mr. President, for coming on Pod Force One again and especially on this momentous occasion --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
-- when you have managed to get a trade deal with Europe, the biggest trade deal ever. How did you pull that off?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, we've been dealing a long time and I have a lot of respect for the group. And as you know, you have a woman president who's very, very brilliant and very good, very talented at what she does, Ursula, who you know. And we made -- it is the biggest deal ever made, I guess you could say. It's certainly the biggest trade deal ever made.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Was she tough to deal with?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No. I mean, she was respectful. She was -- we were all respectful, but she's very good at what she does and her people are very good and our people are very good. And when you think of it, we were getting nothing in the old days, you know, meaning prior to this. We were getting nothing and now we're getting a lot.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And it's going to be good for everybody and I think it's going to pull a big part of the world together too. It--<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
--Well, she seemed very happy at the--<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
--She was very happy and we're all very happy. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And who's next?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, we're dealing with China. We sort of have the confines of a deal, but we're dealing with China. We just concluded a deal, as you know, with Japan, where they're going to pay $550 billion and lots of good things are happening there and they were happy. I'm happy. You know, both sides have to be happy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But we're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars. Look, we were a dead country a year ago and now we're the most vibrant -- we're the coolest country, they say in the world, but I think we're the most successful country in the world right now. We're doing numbers that nobody would have believed is really even possible.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And it seems that a lot of countries in Europe are now coming around to your way of thinking, even Germany is talking about MEGA --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
-- making Europe great again. And so are you noticing that there is a difference that people are, especially on migration, on pro-business policies, that the Europeans are changing?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Europe has a tremendous migration problem, immigration if you want to call it that. People are coming into Europe, it's like --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Illegal. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it's going to be a different place. You can't do this. It's beautiful Europe, that you know and I know so well and I told them, they have to stop that. They have to stop windmills all over the place too. You go around, you look at these beautiful valleys and beautiful hills and mountains and you got windmills all over the place.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's crazy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Well, you were playing golf, weren't you, on this beautiful golf course in western Scotland?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And what happened at the 18th hole?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I'm looking down the 18th hole and Turnberry is, I think, probably the best course in the world is considered that by many people and it's had four open championships, etc., and I'm looking down and in the distance, I know it's a pretty far distance, but it doesn't matter. These things are massive and you're looking at these ugly windmills and it's a shame.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's really a shame. It's really hurting. It's a con job saying the environmentalists want them, because I can't believe they really want them. It kills the birds, ruins the look. They're noisy. If you see them from your house, your house is worth like 50 percent or more or less. No, I just think it's -- I think it's a very bad thing.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Environmentally, it's horrible and in every way it's bad and you have to subsidize them. You know, they cost money. When you put them up, they cost money. Energy is supposed to make money.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's not supposed to lose money and they lose a lot of money and they -- they're going to be abandoned -- they already are. They're being abandoned and then nobody takes them down. They just stand up there and rust.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And Europe's got -- yeah, they've got them everywhere.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So it's -- you know, I just -- I do mention that, they talk about -- and I talked about immigration first, but I said, and by the way while you're at it, get rid of the windmills.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah. So what would you do if you were president of the European Union? What would you change?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I think the biggest thing that you could do is get a deal made like we did today.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know, they're buying $750 billion worth of our energy. They're going to invest $600 billion or $650 billion into the United States and they're going to invest probably $300 billion for the military, maybe $400 billion in military equipment separately. I mean, it's a massive deal for everybody. I think what they did is very smart.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know, they have a deal now with us and it's going to bring us together. It's going to unite us, we'll work together, but it's numbers that nobody's ever heard of before.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And we're sitting in Turnberry, your beautiful golf course here. You're been playing golf with Eric, your son, and Don and your two grandchildren, Chloe and Spencer.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And how was it for you? Like, you're back in your ancestral home, really.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Your mother's home. She was a McLeod from not far from here. How do you feel about -- do you feel sort of Scottish and having three generations here?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, you know, I've been here and we have incredible investments in Aberdeen.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Aberdeen is actually the oil capital of Europe, but we have -- they should really let that go, meaning let it go to town instead of doing all this other nonsense because they have tremendous oil reserves in Aberdeen. And they should be doing that instead of focusing on other things that aren't so good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But no, it makes me feel good and you know, Turnberry is a long term. It's just this incredible place. In Aberdeen, I built something that's really special, the most beautiful land you've ever seen and you know, it makes me feel good. My mother was born in Scotland. She loves Scotland. She was a big fan of the queen, I have to tell you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And anytime the queen was on television, my mother liked watching. She said, oh, the queen's queens aren't. So you know, she was a fan, a lot of people are and some people probably aren't in terms of the monarchy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But a lot of people are.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And your mother's island of Lewis is well known as being -- having the best black pudding in the whole of Scotland.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, yeah. I heard that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Do you like black pudding?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I don't know about black pudding. I've heard that about it, but I'll tell you, it has among the most beautiful landscapes you've ever seen, I tell you. It's seriously Scottish. It is -- in fact, I looked at a map. It's interesting, the Isle of Lewis, I looked at to get there, you -- it's just -- it's in a remote section.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know, when she came to New York, she was a young girl, about 18 years old and she came to New York and she hadn't seen the world and she met my father and he was, you know, a successful guy. He was a young guy, but he was a successful guy, doing well. He was building houses and homes.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And she was beautiful.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And she was beautiful. She really was beautiful. She was a beautiful woman. And he came home that night. He said, I've just -- to my grandmother, who was a fantastic person, my father's mother.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And he said, well, I just met my wife.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Really?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, and he was about 32. So he was a little older, she said, you know, when are you going to get married? But he was -- he was a great guy and -- but he immediately knew. There's a great -- you know, the Scottish people are really amazing and they're great fighters too. You know, that's why England sort of never --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah, Braveheart.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Braveheart, one of the great movies of all time, but England had a hard time with Scotland.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They just -- they couldn't quite tame them.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
They're very -- it's the first time I've been here. They're just such lovely people, aren't they?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, they're great people. No, they're great. No crime. You don't have crime, you don't have muggings. You don't have people getting hit over the head when they're not looking, with the baseball bat. They're not pushed into a subway, if they had them. It's not --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah. It's not New York.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You wouldn't have them pushed into a subway.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
No.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, it's a different kind of a place.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And do you feel an affinity here? Do you feel --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I do. I feel so great and to have this property because this is a very iconic property. This was owned, originally built many years ago by the railroads, which were great --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
The Barons, right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That was the big wealth, the railroads. And they built a few resorts. This was the biggest of them all at the end of the line. And you know, to own it, it's one of the great iconic properties in the world.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And we just had a press conference in your grand ballroom here.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And is that the sort of ballroom you're going to build at the White House?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah. So I built a ballroom at Turnberry that really is beautiful. It's one of the great places of Scotland now. It's a tremendous business, because this is a location that sort of everyone comes.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
For weddings and -- yeah.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it's also known -- it's a little bit like, I don't know what it is, but it seems to be a little warmer and better and the weather's good.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And the views, right?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's one of the reasons -- yeah. So I added on a ballroom, which we finished about three years ago. And it's a beautiful room. I said, I could take that room right now and place it down next to the White House. So in the White House, as you know, for 150 years, they've wanted to have a ballroom. They don't have a ballroom.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They have meeting rooms. They have those beautiful -- you've seen -- you've interviewed me in those rooms.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But they're beautiful meeting rooms, but they never had a ballroom, a ballroom meaning someplace they could sit 600 or 700 people. If the President of China or France or UK or Ursula comes to town, you give them a big state dinner. We don't have a room like that. At the White House, they have to use a tent.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And if it's raining, it's soaking wet soggy. The area is a very low area, all the water rushes to it and it's a disaster. So I said, you know, if I win this second term, I'm going to build a ballroom, a beautiful ballroom for the White House and we actually have a really beauty -- but that's a beauty right there.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
It is.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I said, could take that right now and --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
It's enormous. Eight chandeliers.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's a beautiful room and it's a very successful room and they need that at the White House. You know, they can't do the kind of things that they'd like to do, their big room, which is really a beautiful reception room, but not as a ballroom.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
So how long will it take to finish that ballroom?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So we'll start in two months, maybe, two and a half months and we'll have it completed in less than two years. It's a very incredible structure. I mean, a lot of it's the interior work, it's going to be beautiful. I'd rather -- because normally, I could build a building like that in four or five months, but it's very intricate inside.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's beautiful, beautiful, the best marbles. It'll be a great tribute to the White House. It's going to be something. But they've wanted it for 150 years. And other presidents have talked about it, but it never got done well.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Well, you're the builder, the first builder.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I'm the builder. Yeah, I know how to do it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And we're sitting in this lovely room next to the ballroom with a view out over the Irish Sea.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And there's big rock out there that's called Paddy's Milestone because it's halfway to Ireland.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Now, who went to Ireland, but Rosie O'Donnell to escape you. So are you --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, that's too bad. I feel so badly for them. No, she's so bad, but you know.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Are you happy she's gone? And Ellen DeGeneres?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I mean, I don't think -- you know, it's funny, I did Ellen's show numerous times, but you know, they just get into the mood, I guess. It's -- I don't know what's happened to them, you take a look at them, it's like, what's going on.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Trump derangement.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's Trump derangement syndrome, but you don't know why. I mean, the country is doing better. As I said, it's the hardest country in the world right now and you'd think they'd be happy. And I sort of with a little fun said, well, we're thinking about not allowing Rosie back into the country because she's very bad for our country and things and she's gone crazy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, she's a different kind of a person.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
She's more famous than she ever was.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Oh, she's probably doing better than she ever did. Yeah. She never did great, but she's doing better than she ever did. It's sort of funny. I guess it really -- the big moment was the debate, when we had the debate and I said only Rosie O'Donnell, when they mentioned lots of bad things. I said, only Rosie O'Donnell.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And the whole audience burst into laughter.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But it's funny. You're right. She may be doing better than ever before. Maybe that's OK.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Now, talking about Trump derangement, we've just -- Tulsi Gabbard, your DNI, has just released all this incredible declassified information about the Russia hoax.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Which you already -- always said was a hoax.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We knew anyway.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
But now she's referred President -- former President Barack Obama, CIA Director John Brennan, James Clapper, Jim Comey from the FBI, to the Department of Justice for Criminal Investigation for potential charges. Do you hope that --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And Obama.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And Obama.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Who is the ringleader, yeah.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes and I mean he should be thanking you because you got presidential immunity.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, he's probably covered by that. It's OK. That's all right. That's the way it's supposed to be, I guess. But no, what they've done is so bad for this country and it really started right at the 2016 election. And there's a difference when you know it and when you know it and it's all written down for you.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Prove it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I mean, it's all there. It's right there, the orders, the memos, the whole thing is right there.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Were you surprised when you saw it all laid out?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I would have thought they maybe would have thrown it out. I don't know. You know, they handed it -- they say, put this in highly classified. It was in highly classified. You know, in areas that normally you wouldn't get to. But I guess when you put it in there, it's a file, right and they got to it and it's unbelievable.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
When you read it, it's unbelievable. A real hoax, you know, it's a real hoax. If they would devote their time to winning elections or if they devote their time to, like, great -- greatness, making America Great again, it would be -- because there's a certain genius to it. But it's also sick. I mean, they're sick.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And you look at Hillary Clinton, you look at all of the terrible things with the Steele dossier. And you know it better -- nobody's covered it better than you, to be honest with you. I mean, you're sitting here so innocently talking to me, like -- you know, it's wonderful. You know the story better than I do, but it's incredible.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's all there now. It's in writing and Tulsi's done a great job. You know there were some people that really wanted Tulsi -- They thought she was going to do a fantastic job. And when you look, a lot of people would not have found it. They wouldn't have found it to be politically correct to find it, OK? It would be easier not to.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes. And she's tough.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And she's tough and she's smart and she did, she went into -- deep into the files and she found it. And what it says is just terrible. Look, this was an attempted coup. It was a failed coup. I mean, I got to be -- here we are -- I mean, talking as president of the United States. So you almost say, how did it happen?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
There are people that say it's a miracle in a way that I was able to go through all these agencies, and this is before I was president and they did the Steele dossier, which was a total scam.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
What a joke. Didn't your wife say she knew it was a hoax from the beginning.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
She did. She said, that's not you, you know?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Because it was so dirty.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, there were a couple of things in there and she said, well, on that one, I tell you what, it's not you and it wasn't me. No, it was all made up stuff. It was all made up.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Do you feel angry now?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, I do a little bit. So you know, we had Hillary Clinton down to whatever we wanted to do with her and I felt it was inappropriate. She's the wife of a president. She was a secretary of state and we could have done a very big number. And I said, we don't want to be doing that. Let's put it into the country and not -- the concept of putting her in jail, indicting her, all the things that you have to do, it's tough stuff.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I said, we don't want to do that. In fact, you remember I made speeches when I mentioned her name, they started -- lock --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Lock her up. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Lock her up. And I said no, no. This is after we won, we just won. And I said, nope, we have to get back --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Because you wanted the country to heal.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We want to heal. And yet they did it to me.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So I feel differently. I mean, I'm a human being. I have my feelings too and so I feel differently about it. Obama, what he did was terrible. What Brennan did and Clapper and Comey and all these lightweights that -- I mean, they're stupid people actually, but what they did -- and so unnecessary. And they made it really hard.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But ultimately, I don't know. They toughen you up, you either learn that you can do that. How many people could handle that? I've had so many people said how did you handle that every day and they come up with these different scams? They're all scams and they're still doing it. You know, they're doing it now.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
How do you? Because I think for people out there would like to know what the secret of your resilience is. What would you tell your children or other people's children?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it helps to be innocent, right. It really does. I mean, you know, you know it's not true. And I thought it was so far-fetched. I think a lot of the things they do is far-fetched. When you look at these scams, it's almost a way of life with the Democrats. They've got to stop. They've got to stop. And now you look at the kind of leadership they have.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Look at these people that they have, they're third rate. These people are never going to get elected no matter what they do or say. But on top of that, they continue with -- I saw somebody today arguing about men playing in women's sports, arguing ferociously that it should be allowed. And you know they say that's an 80/20, it's not.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It's a 97/3 issue. And if they're going to keep doing that -- open borders, somebody was arguing about open borders, let everybody pour into our country. So last month we had nobody come in, nobody, zero. I'm not even sure I can believe that. You know, you're talking about hundreds of thousands of people, but they had hundreds of thousands of people pour into our country from gangs and from prisons where they let them out of prisons from all over the world.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They come in from Africa, the Congo and Africa in particular. And they come in from South America. They come in from all over the world. And you know they're criminals. I mean, there are many criminals. There are 11,888 murderers. We got a lot of them out, but we're getting them out. It's a big job to get them out.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It almost feels like an unforced error. You know, if you think, inflation I've already taken care of. Prices are way down for everything groceries, everything. We had the worst -- the worst inflation in the history of our country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Joe Biden, yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Biden. So now inflation has done, all these things. We're doing so great, but the one thing we really have to keep focusing on for a long time is getting the criminals out of our country that this guy let in. And you say, why would they do it? You know, a lot of people say it was for the voting, they get their vote, I don't think so. But look, there are a couple of reasons.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They're stupid or they hate our country. That's what I view. I don't think it was for the votes because they're very good at cheating. They don't need to do that. But you say, why would they allow criminals to come in? Why would they allow people from mental institutions to come into our country and disturb our country?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And they're violent people. Many of these people are violent people. You know better than anybody. I mean, they're real -- you write on it so much.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
In New York. Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They're violent, violent people. Why would they do that? And you know, the only thing I can think of is they may hate our country.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And so do you -- are you feeling like even if Barack Obama has presidential immunity, do you think it's kind of justice for them to have to lawyer up, as James Clapper says they're doing?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I do. I do. Look, Clapper lied to Congress. Comey lied to everybody.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Brennan.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Brennan, he was maybe the worst of the group. These are all bad. These are lowlifes. These are losers. These are losers and you know, I've been beating them for ten years. You know how many times they were after me for so many different things? And when you think of it, I've been beating them for 10 years, but that I have to waste time and effort instead of focusing on the European Union deal or all these positive things that we can do.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Because it wrecked your first term, didn't it?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it didn't -- well, we had a great first term.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah, but imagine what you could have done.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But it certainly made it -- it certainly made it less comfortable and you know, you know it was false, you know it was all bullshit. It was absolutely disgusting. But you have to explain that to other people. But in the end, they got it. They got it and we won by -- you know, we won every state. We won -- we won everything.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We won every swing state. We won the popular vote. We won the Electoral College by a lot, much more --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
That was the American people pushing back.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They got it. The people understand it and the people understand it now. So I said, look, you can't do that to Hillary Clinton. I was the one, I killed it and then they do the same thing to me, like --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Say no more, Mr. Nice Guy?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I just want to be fair, it's up -- ultimately, it's up to Pam. I think she's doing a great job as attorney general. It's up to her and her group, but they did a lot of bad things. I mean, this was -- I would say it was treason. It was treason. They made up all these stories, just fake stories. And yeah, I would say it was serious treason and hurt the country and put the country in danger.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
You know, they did on the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, they lied unbelievably. How about Putin being accused? And he's no angel, that's for sure. But you know, what does he think? He's sitting back and he's being accused of stuff and he's probably saying, like, these people are crazy.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes, it's not good for the country. Do you think --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
No, it's dangerous, actually dangerous for the country.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Why is that?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, you get into problems, disputes, to put it mildly, with other countries. We didn't have a dispute with him because he knew it was nonsense, I guess. I don't know. We didn't have a dispute, but it did make it harder to deal with him.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Do you think it emboldened him to invade Ukraine under Biden?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I don't know. I know that it would have never happened. So probably the answer is no, because it would have never happened. That whole invasion would have never happened if I were fairly elected at that time because I won that election. I'll tell you what has been shown in the last period of a few months.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
We knew it before, you knew it before, everybody knew it. I knew it two days after the election. I knew it the night of the election, but we knew that I won the election.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
2020<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I won that election by -- 2020. I won that election by so much and the only reason I ran is because that was my ultimate goal. I knew how well I did. I won that election by millions of votes.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
So that's why you ran again in '24?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I wouldn't have done it -- if I thought I lost, I wouldn't have done it because if I thought I lost, but we won that election by millions of votes and we had an incompetent guy that never left his basement, that they kept quiet. Nobody knew -- because you know, he was incompetent 25 years ago, really.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
The senators will tell you. And Joe at his best was an incompetent and now, he's really bad.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
What did you think of Hunter Biden coming out and saying -- lashing other Democrats for blaming his father for losing the election?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, you know, there are a lot of -- they had two chances to win the election. They had him and that didn't work out and he was down by 25 points or something and then they switched him. It's like taking a prizefighter out in the middle of the fight. It's not fair. They took him out. They put Kamala. Nobody knew who Kamala was.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They didn't even know her last name. Nobody knew her last name. They still don't. Poor Kamala. But I watched where she made her speech this weekend and it was on tape. This was supposed to be the big event and it was like a minute and a half on tape. I said, I've never seen that before. You go and make a speech and she's going to be -- I guess, they say she's going to try it again and I don't see it. But how about Crockett?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Crockett's their new star?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah. That's right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And she's a low IQ person.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Well, it might be her and Hunter Biden. They could do a joint ticket.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
This would be something. No, these people are crazy, so you never know what's going to happen.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
We had our driver, whose name is Jim, brought us here to Turnberry and he's a fan of yours and he asked me to ask you this question. He said when you finished your term as US president, could you come over to Scotland and run Scotland as the first minister?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah. Well, Scotland, though, and I think you probably have a very good first minister right now. Scotland, look, they don't have crime.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
You could do it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They don't have -- I could do that.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
You're eligible. You could do in your spare time these days.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I would think -- I might be eligible, I could be within six months or something like that. No. But it is a special place, but they don't have some of the problems we have. You know, they don't have big crime. They don't have -- they'll have a different form of crime. They'll get into an argument on something and it'll be very minor compared to the kind of things that you witness every day.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But you know, it's a very good way of life actually.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They have nice views too. All you have to do is look out the window. There's beautiful views of the ocean.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And the UK, you're having your state visit with King Charles.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So he's coming tomorrow and he's a man -- a very good man.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Oh, Keith Starmer.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yes, and he's coming tomorrow and he's coming to Turnberry, actually. So we're going to meet and then we're going to Aberdeen and we're going to do a little tours and things. But he's doing a good job as the prime minister.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah, and you're opening a new golf course in your mother's name?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, we started it a couple of years ago and it's a very beautiful, beautiful piece of land. And it's going to be very good. I have a course there, and I had to start this within a certain period of time, where I lost the zoning and Sean Connery got me the zoning. Sean --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yeah, what did he do?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So Sean Connery, I didn't know him well. I met him one time, but he liked me. I liked him and you know, and he's a tough kind of a guy, as you probably know. If you look at the Barbara Walters interview, you know what I'm talking about. But he was a tough guy and beloved in Scotland. And you know, big -- he was the first James Bond and all of the things.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And it was very tough zoning environmentally here to get that approved. And when they approved it, they approved two courses. But I had to start the second one within 10 years from the first etc., etc. So they didn't start at, let's say two years ago, we would have lost that, right? You'd never get it back.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
But Sean Connery, it was very hard getting the zoning because of the environment and it was very highly protected and all. It's called SSSI. And he let out a howl once he said, let the bloody bloke build his damn golf courses and let him put money into our country, what's wrong with you? And as soon as he said that, the whole thing got approved like so fast.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
It was crazy. I called him. I said, thank you very much. I said, you have great power. He's like the king. I call him the king of Scotland, but -- so I got to know him a little bit after that. He was great. He was a tough cookie. But --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
You do a very good Scottish accent.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah, well, but he did say that he said, let the bloody bloke build his bloody golf course, is his exact -- and you know what, when he said that, it all -- it just it got approved. But I had to start the other one within a certain period after the first or you'd never get the zoning again. You know, the environmental stuff is very tough.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
A lot of people use the environment to stop projects.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I didn't want that to happen.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And it's going to be called the Marianne McClellan.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, it's going to be called -- we have a section of it that's beautiful in honor of my mother. It's a beautiful section. We call it -- it's because it's Aberdeen, it's a very -- it's actually the oil capital of Europe and it's --the oil capital of Europe is very important and it's also really a beautiful area.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And we did the first course, it was tremendously successful. You know, esthetically incredible and they're the largest dunes of -- just about the largest dunes anyone's ever seen. They're incredible. The whole place is amazing. And so the trick was, could I ever match the first one, which is so beautiful?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I think we did. We might have -- I don't know, I can't say we surpassed it. It would be hard to say that. It's gotten such great reviews. But they're cutting a ribbon tomorrow and I'll be there with the prime minister.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Will you play?<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I may. If I get a chance, I'll do it.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And while you've been playing golf here, you've been doing work as well.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Yeah.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
I understand you had a phone call with the leaders of Cambodia --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I did.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
-- and Thailand who have been having a skirmish.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I did. So I'm doing trade deals, and I've been reading in your papers and seeing on Wonderful Fox and seeing on the wonderful New York Post, which is great and headed by a fantastic person, Keith Poole. I'm sure you don't know him.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Who's from this area. Yes. His father was from here.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
That's right. That's right. And so I've been reading about the conflict with Cambodia. And as you know, it's been a real -- the two countries have really been -- they've really been fighting. And we called -- we got them both together and I think they're going to make -- I think they're going to make a peace deal.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
I just saw it two minutes ago. You know, I'm trading -- I'm doing trade deals with all of these countries and I'll say sometimes, I had it Serbia Kosovo. I had with the Congo. Now, the Congo is not heavy on trade, but I was able to get that done with Rwanda and --<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
So you're using trade as a --<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Well, I'm using trade to make peace.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Peace, right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
India and Pakistan was really important. I mean, if you look. But India and Pakistan was a very -- a very big thing and that that could have gone nuclear. Those are both nuclear.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Yes.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
Five jets were shot down. I mean it was getting worse and worse. And I said, look, we're supposed to be making a trade deal. If you don't make the trade -- we're not going to make a trade deal if you guys are going to fight. Anyway, that's stopped and we've done some others. I think I did five and could even be six.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
So I think we have a situation where you could end up with peace and they've had, I think a few thousand people were killed in this one.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Right.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And in some cases, a lot more than that. So I think we have maybe a deal and we did a deal with Cambodia. We were doing a deal. We're getting ready to sign it. And I'm saying, we're not signing it unless you make a deal with your next door neighbor, which is a very good neighbor. They've been neighbors for a long time, but they've had some fights over the years.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And I think I think it's going to get done.<end_of_turn>
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<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
And what about Putin, Russia?<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
And by the way, I get no credit for it. Nobody's going to give me credit for any of them.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Well, we're giving you credit now.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Donald Trump
They'll give the Nobel Prize to somebody that wrote a book about Donald Trump and analyzed his mind perfectly.<end_of_turn>
<start_of_turn>Miranda Devine
Well, they gave it to Barack Obama when he'd been there five minutes.<end_of_turn>
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