<p>I can get to more technical papers, but it's not a big secret what you have quoted. E.g. The Economist <a href="https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/05/04/a-healthy-re-examination-of-free-trades-benefits-and-shocks" rel="nofollow noreferrer">quotes</a> MIT professor John Van Reenen:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>But just because the size of the pie expands [due to free trade], it doesn’t mean that everyone is better off. There are going to be some losers whose slice of the pie is so much smaller that they would have been better off with less trade. However, because the overall size of the pie has got bigger, the government can compensate the losers which can still make everyone better off. [...] But remember: thanks to free trade, you can afford that [better welfare programs], because the overall size of the pie is bigger.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>And Harvard prof. Dani Rodrik <a href="https://drodrik.scholar.harvard.edu/files/dani-rodrik/files/populism_and_the_economics_of_globalization.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">writes</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>there is one <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolper%E2%80%93Samuelson_theorem" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Stolper–Samuelson</a>-like result that is
  extremely general, and which can be stated as
  follows. Under competitive conditions, as long as
  the importable good(s) continue to be produced at
  home – that is, ruling out complete specialization –
  there is always at least one factor of production that
  is rendered worse off by the liberalization of trade.
  In other words, trade generically produces losers.
  The proof of this result is simple enough to be
  stated quickly here. [the proof is still like half a page]</p>
  
  <p>More recent work in trade theory has emphasized
  heterogeneity among firms and workers. These
  models have additional margins for redistribution,
  between firms and workers that otherwise look
  quite similar. <a href="https://www.princeton.edu/~grossman/Matching%20and%20Sorting%20JPE.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Grossman, Helpman, &amp; Kircher (2017)</a>, for example, enrich the Stolper–Samuelson
  framework by considering heterogeneity within
  broad worker categories. ‘‘Managers’’ and ‘‘workers’’
  must combine in teams, and their productivity
  depends on the quality of the match. Trade liberalization induces re-matching and generates distributional effects within occupations and industries,
  in addition to the standard effects across broad
  factors of production and industries.
  Hence in all these models, redistribution is the
  flip side of the gains from trade. No pain, no gain.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>My point is not to say that these theoretical models 100% apply to the complex realities of international trade, but rather that economists are aware that under certain conditions some segment of the workforce can be worse-off with free trade... unless something else happens.</p>

<p>Nevertheless, the prevailing opinion among economists, or at least US academic economists <a href="http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/free-trade" rel="nofollow noreferrer">surveyed by IGM</a> is that the long term benefits of free trade outweigh the short-term negatives (including [un]employment in some sectors).</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/SjBep.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/SjBep.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

<p>As the survey additionally collected fill-in comments/responses, they are an interesting reading, but the first one (alphabetically, from Acemoglu) probably summarizes the critique you inquire about:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Economists often understate short-term employment costs, which are significant and unequally distributed, but probably less than benefits.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>As an example of empirical work evaluating such effects in a concrete context, <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w21149.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Caliendo et al. (2015)</a></p>

<blockquote>
  <p>We
  find that China's import competition growth resulted in 0.6 percentage point reduction in the share
  of manufacturing employment, approximately 1 million jobs lost, or about 60% of the change in the
  manufacturing employment share not explained by a secular trend. Overall, China's shock increases
  U.S. welfare by 6.7% in the long-run and by 0.2% in the short-run with very heterogeneous effects
  across labor markets.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Related enough, a <a href="http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/inequality-populism-and-redistribution" rel="nofollow noreferrer">more recent IGM survey of a panel of European economists</a> (some of which do work in the US though) shows that they are not blind to the effects of inequality on [liberal] democracy. The latter survey also poses questions on whether higher government spending is justified from this perspective. So compensating or at least caring for losers (not necessarily stemming from free trade alone) is also a topic that economists are not opposed to. (Whether they should talk more about it, is a different issue.)</p>

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Thank you. There is also a free documentary on this narrated by the renowned economist Joseph Stiglitz: https://archive.org/details/AroundTheWorldWithJosephStiglitz
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Dani Rodrik in a podcast with Tyler Cowen said it is legitimate to prefer domestic production.  This is obvious. Favoritism is legitimate because the political process allows it and foreigners are not allowed to vote in "our" elections. I would add it is also legitimate to prefer efficient production knowing that redistribution can help the worst affected. If the political process does not produce enough help then people need to vote differently.
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...continued...  The problem with the legitimacy of favoritism is that it ignores relatively poor people outside of our borders. Compare the per capita income in Asia to that of the U.S. The ratio is probably about 1 to 4. Compare that of Africa to the U.S. and it's more extreme. It is also legitimate to want to engage in mutually beneficial trade with poorer people.
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...continued... If Peter Singer is in favor of trade barriers then a question is raised. Singer should say why it isn't better to trade more freely while advocating for more help for the worst affected domestically. Sometimes environmental impact in places like China is a cited reason but people closer to the problem are better able to decide on the balance between the environment and income. It's hard to say from the U.S. perspective how clean the environment should be in China. Global climate change is one aspect where the U.S. has a legitimate concern. Security is another reason for limits.
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fantastic peace and prosperity
<p>There are some reasons why trade unions are not perfectly be deprived of power by free trade. Important is the question whether the products are for the domestic market or for export. When the production targets the domestic market, a relocation to a foreign country means a weakening of the purchasing power in the local economy, which can affect the own sales. In addition to this, the additional transport costs possibly exceed the saving of labor costs. Thus the investment makes only sense if a market for the products also exists or arises in the target country. The transaction costs can also increase and the influence on the development will decrease due to a relocation abroad. So it can happen more easily, that market trends are missed and market shares are lost. The degree of automation will possibly differ, which in turn will influence the quality of the results.</p>

<p>Complex industrial goods often also require a grown industrial environment and well-trained, specialized workforce. Relocations to foreign countries are therefore strategic decisions, which have to be well considered, because in most cases, a suitable environment must first be created in the target country.</p>

<p>The situation is different for goods with relatively short value-added chains that are globally traded, such as clothing. However, these are today already only produced in exceptional cases in high-wage countries. For this kind of goods the trade unions in the low-wage countries are also in a difficult position, because they compete with the automation costs in high-wage countries.</p>

<p>Trade unions can judge very well how great their respective power is, and
will shape their demands accordingly.</p>

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<p>Recently I read Bertrand Russell's <em>Political Ideals</em> (1917). Although he expresses strong left-wing ideals there, he supports free trade and criticizes protectionism.</p>

<p>It seems that not any left-wing theorist agrees with Russell on this. As an example, I quote from <em>A Darwinian Left</em> (1999) by Peter Singer:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>What capitalists failed to accomplish by a century of repressive measures against trade union leaders, the World Trade Organization... is doing for them. When barriers to imports are removed, nationally based trade unions are undermined. Now when workers in high-wage countries demand better conditions, the bosses can threaten to close the factory and import the goods from China, or some other country where wages are low and trade unionists will not cause trouble.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Now, I know that there may be different opinions on this and that's the nature of a complex subject like economics. However, I can't resist the desire to know what serious students and scholars of economics think of this argument by Singer.</p>

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I view this question as being different from the proposed duplicate, as this question is specifically about whether the quoted claim about the distributional implications of trade as a result of weakened labor bargaining is valid, while the other is about whether tariffs have ever succeeded in achieving their stated goals.
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I think the free movement of capital is also an important factor here, considering the mechanism of this negotiation.  Giving the factory owner the freedom to literally move his collection of machines to a low-wage country creates a powerful bargaining chip in wage negotiations.  In other words, free trade with greater capital controls dampens this effect.
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A valid argument against free trade?
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# A valid argument against free trade?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-04-08)

Recently I read Bertrand Russell's *Political Ideals* (1917). Although he expresses strong left-wing ideals there, he supports free trade and criticizes protectionism.

It seems that not any left-wing theorist agrees with Russell on this. As an example, I quote from *A Darwinian Left* (1999) by Peter Singer:

> What capitalists failed to accomplish by a century of repressive measures against trade union leaders, the World Trade Organization... is doing for them. When barriers to imports are removed, nationally based trade unions are undermined. Now when workers in high-wage countries demand better conditions, the bosses can threaten to close the factory and import the goods from China, or some other country where wages are low and trade unionists will not cause trouble.

Now, I know that there may be different opinions on this and that's the nature of a complex subject like economics. However, I can't resist the desire to know what serious students and scholars of economics think of this argument by Singer.

**Tags:** international-trade, free-trade, protectionism
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I view this question as being different from the proposed duplicate, as this question is specifically about whether the quoted claim about the distributional implications of trade as a result of weakened labor bargaining is valid, while the other is about whether tariffs have ever succeeded in achieving their stated goals.  
> **username_2**: I think the free movement of capital is also an important factor here, considering the mechanism of this negotiation.  Giving the factory owner the freedom to literally move his collection of machines to a low-wage country creates a powerful bargaining chip in wage negotiations.  In other words, free trade with greater capital controls dampens this effect.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2019-04-08. Score: 7

I can get to more technical papers, but it's not a big secret what you have quoted. E.g. The Economist [quotes](https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/05/04/a-healthy-re-examination-of-free-trades-benefits-and-shocks) MIT professor John Van Reenen:

> But just because the size of the pie expands [due to free trade], it doesn’t mean that everyone is better off. There are going to be some losers whose slice of the pie is so much smaller that they would have been better off with less trade. However, because the overall size of the pie has got bigger, the government can compensate the losers which can still make everyone better off. [...] But remember: thanks to free trade, you can afford that [better welfare programs], because the overall size of the pie is bigger.

And Harvard prof. Dani Rodrik [writes](https://drodrik.scholar.harvard.edu/files/dani-rodrik/files/populism_and_the_economics_of_globalization.pdf):

> there is one [Stolper–Samuelson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolper%E2%80%93Samuelson_theorem)-like result that is
> extremely general, and which can be stated as
> follows. Under competitive conditions, as long as
> the importable good(s) continue to be produced at
> home – that is, ruling out complete specialization –
> there is always at least one factor of production that
> is rendered worse off by the liberalization of trade.
> In other words, trade generically produces losers.
> The proof of this result is simple enough to be
> stated quickly here. [the proof is still like half a page]
>
> More recent work in trade theory has emphasized
> heterogeneity among firms and workers. These
> models have additional margins for redistribution,
> between firms and workers that otherwise look
> quite similar. [Grossman, Helpman, & Kircher (2017)](https://www.princeton.edu/~grossman/Matching%20and%20Sorting%20JPE.pdf), for example, enrich the Stolper–Samuelson
> framework by considering heterogeneity within
> broad worker categories. ‘‘Managers’’ and ‘‘workers’’
> must combine in teams, and their productivity
> depends on the quality of the match. Trade liberalization induces re-matching and generates distributional effects within occupations and industries,
> in addition to the standard effects across broad
> factors of production and industries.
> Hence in all these models, redistribution is the
> flip side of the gains from trade. No pain, no gain.

My point is not to say that these theoretical models 100% apply to the complex realities of international trade, but rather that economists are aware that under certain conditions some segment of the workforce can be worse-off with free trade... unless something else happens.

Nevertheless, the prevailing opinion among economists, or at least US academic economists [surveyed by IGM](http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/free-trade) is that the long term benefits of free trade outweigh the short-term negatives (including [un]employment in some sectors).

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/SjBep.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/SjBep.png)

As the survey additionally collected fill-in comments/responses, they are an interesting reading, but the first one (alphabetically, from Acemoglu) probably summarizes the critique you inquire about:

> Economists often understate short-term employment costs, which are significant and unequally distributed, but probably less than benefits.

As an example of empirical work evaluating such effects in a concrete context, [Caliendo et al. (2015)](https://www.nber.org/papers/w21149.pdf)

> We
> find that China's import competition growth resulted in 0.6 percentage point reduction in the share
> of manufacturing employment, approximately 1 million jobs lost, or about 60% of the change in the
> manufacturing employment share not explained by a secular trend. Overall, China's shock increases
> U.S. welfare by 6.7% in the long-run and by 0.2% in the short-run with very heterogeneous effects
> across labor markets.

Related enough, a [more recent IGM survey of a panel of European economists](http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/inequality-populism-and-redistribution) (some of which do work in the US though) shows that they are not blind to the effects of inequality on [liberal] democracy. The latter survey also poses questions on whether higher government spending is justified from this perspective. So compensating or at least caring for losers (not necessarily stemming from free trade alone) is also a topic that economists are not opposed to. (Whether they should talk more about it, is a different issue.)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thank you. There is also a free documentary on this narrated by the renowned economist Joseph Stiglitz: https://archive.org/details/AroundTheWorldWithJosephStiglitz  
> **username_4**: Dani Rodrik in a podcast with Tyler Cowen said it is legitimate to prefer domestic production.  This is obvious. Favoritism is legitimate because the political process allows it and foreigners are not allowed to vote in "our" elections. I would add it is also legitimate to prefer efficient production knowing that redistribution can help the worst affected. If the political process does not produce enough help then people need to vote differently.  
> **username_4**: ...continued...  The problem with the legitimacy of favoritism is that it ignores relatively poor people outside of our borders. Compare the per capita income in Asia to that of the U.S. The ratio is probably about 1 to 4. Compare that of Africa to the U.S. and it's more extreme. It is also legitimate to want to engage in mutually beneficial trade with poorer people.  
> **username_4**: ...continued... If Peter Singer is in favor of trade barriers then a question is raised. Singer should say why it isn't better to trade more freely while advocating for more help for the worst affected domestically. Sometimes environmental impact in places like China is a cited reason but people closer to the problem are better able to decide on the balance between the environment and income. It's hard to say from the U.S. perspective how clean the environment should be in China. Global climate change is one aspect where the U.S. has a legitimate concern. Security is another reason for limits.  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2019-10-04. Score: 0

There are some reasons why trade unions are not perfectly be deprived of power by free trade. Important is the question whether the products are for the domestic market or for export. When the production targets the domestic market, a relocation to a foreign country means a weakening of the purchasing power in the local economy, which can affect the own sales. In addition to this, the additional transport costs possibly exceed the saving of labor costs. Thus the investment makes only sense if a market for the products also exists or arises in the target country. The transaction costs can also increase and the influence on the development will decrease due to a relocation abroad. So it can happen more easily, that market trends are missed and market shares are lost. The degree of automation will possibly differ, which in turn will influence the quality of the results.

Complex industrial goods often also require a grown industrial environment and well-trained, specialized workforce. Relocations to foreign countries are therefore strategic decisions, which have to be well considered, because in most cases, a suitable environment must first be created in the target country.

The situation is different for goods with relatively short value-added chains that are globally traded, such as clothing. However, these are today already only produced in exceptional cases in high-wage countries. For this kind of goods the trade unions in the low-wage countries are also in a difficult position, because they compete with the automation costs in high-wage countries.

Trade unions can judge very well how great their respective power is, and
will shape their demands accordingly.


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