<p>We say <span class="math-container">$\succsim$</span> represents weak monotonic preferences if <span class="math-container">$$x,y \in X, \,\, y &gt;&gt; x \implies y \succ x $$</span></p>

<p>where <span class="math-container">$y &gt;&gt; x$</span> means that every element of <span class="math-container">$y$</span> is greater than every element of <span class="math-container">$x$</span>.</p>

<p>And we say <span class="math-container">$\succsim$</span> represents strong monotonic preferences if <span class="math-container">$$x,y \in X, \,\, y \geq x, y \neq x \implies y \succ x$$</span></p>

<p>where <span class="math-container">$y \geq x$</span> means that at least one element of <span class="math-container">$y$</span> is greater than an element of <span class="math-container">$x$</span> and all others are equal.</p>

<p>My question is: do strong monotonic preferences imply weak monotonic preferences?</p>

<p>My answer: yes. The reasoning is as follows:</p>

<p>Since the set <span class="math-container">$A = \{ x,y \in X: y &gt;&gt; x \}$</span> is a subset of <span class="math-container">$B = \{x,y \in X: y \geq x, y \neq x \}$</span>, then if <span class="math-container">$B \implies y \succ x$</span> it must also be true that <span class="math-container">$A \implies y \succ x$</span> and thus strong monotonic preferences imply weak monotonic preferences. </p>

<p>In plain English, if a bundle with more of one commodity and the same of all others is preferred, then a bundle with more of every commodity must also be preferred. </p>

<p>Is my reasoning correct?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

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Thanks for the input, @1muflon1. I don't think I made myself very clear with regards to the math. I think we can agree that the "plain English" explanation is correct, right? What I meant to say with the math is exactly the same. If $B \implies y \succ x$, that is, if having more of one commodity and the same of others implies that $y \succ x$, then it must also be true that having more of all commodities, that is, $A$, also implies $y \succ x$. I'm not saying $B \implies A$, I'm saying that if $B \implies y \succ x$ than it must also be true that $A \implies y \succ x$, by their design.
Pedro Cunha
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When you say "if you say that strong monotonic preferences imply weak then all results for weak monotonic preferences should apply to strong ". That's not true, because weak monotonicity requires a stronger condition than strong monotonicity, that is for all elements of a bundle to be greater than the elements of another bundle. Thus, if strong monotonicity happens, there's no guarantee weak monotonicity will also happen. Take the sets $A = (2,3)$ and $B = (3,3)$ and $C=(3,4)$. Then if s.m is valid, $B \succ A, C \succ A, C \succ B$. However, if only w.m is valid $C \succ A$ is all you can say
Pedro Cunha
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But that is precisely what I'm trying to prove. If strong monotonicity is valid, then weak monotonicity must also be valid. Again, referring to the "plain English" explanation: if having more of one of the goods implies that a bundle is preferred to another, then it must also be true that having more of all goods also implies that a bundle if preferred to another. If having more of something is better, then having more of all things is also better, considering, of course, that all commodities are "goods". What do you think? Again, I really appreciate the back and forth!
Pedro Cunha
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Let us [continue this discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/107947/discussion-between-pedro-cunha-and-1muflon1).
Pedro Cunha
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"If strong monotonicity is valid then bundle A is unambiguously better than bundle B and hence any rational decision maker would not hesitate picking A, but in weak monotonicity the bundle A is better only in some way than bundle B so it is no longer unambiguously the best choice and hence rational decision maker might hesitate here.". This depends on the bundles A and B. If s.m. is valid, then $A \succ B$ only if A has more of at least one of the goods. In much the same way, if w.m. is valid, then $A \succ B$ only if A has more of all of the goods. If s.m. is valid and we have a bundle with..
Pedro Cunha
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more of all goods, that this bundle will also be preferred, because it also has more of one of the goods (it has more of all goods). And thus, if a bundle with more of all goods is preferred, then the s.m. is also valid.
Pedro Cunha
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The proof seems fine, albeit could be cleaner.
Walrasian Auctioneer
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I'd appreciate any tips on how to improve it, @WalrasianAuctioneer
Pedro Cunha
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@KennyLJ thanks for clarifying
1muflon1
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@PedroCunha Kenny's answer was the cleaner more direct proof I would have written!
Walrasian Auctioneer
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Strong monotonicity and weak monotonicity
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# Strong monotonicity and weak monotonicity

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-05-13)

We say $\succsim$ represents weak monotonic preferences if $$x,y \in X, \,\, y >> x \implies y \succ x $$

where $y >> x$ means that every element of $y$ is greater than every element of $x$.

And we say $\succsim$ represents strong monotonic preferences if $$x,y \in X, \,\, y \geq x, y \neq x \implies y \succ x$$

where $y \geq x$ means that at least one element of $y$ is greater than an element of $x$ and all others are equal.

My question is: do strong monotonic preferences imply weak monotonic preferences?

My answer: yes. The reasoning is as follows:

Since the set $A = \{ x,y \in X: y >> x \}$ is a subset of $B = \{x,y \in X: y \geq x, y \neq x \}$, then if $B \implies y \succ x$ it must also be true that $A \implies y \succ x$ and thus strong monotonic preferences imply weak monotonic preferences.

In plain English, if a bundle with more of one commodity and the same of all others is preferred, then a bundle with more of every commodity must also be preferred.

Is my reasoning correct?

Thanks!

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> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks for the input, @1muflon1. I don't think I made myself very clear with regards to the math. I think we can agree that the "plain English" explanation is correct, right? What I meant to say with the math is exactly the same. If $B \implies y \succ x$, that is, if having more of one commodity and the same of others implies that $y \succ x$, then it must also be true that having more of all commodities, that is, $A$, also implies $y \succ x$. I'm not saying $B \implies A$, I'm saying that if $B \implies y \succ x$ than it must also be true that $A \implies y \succ x$, by their design.  
> **username_0**: When you say "if you say that strong monotonic preferences imply weak then all results for weak monotonic preferences should apply to strong ". That's not true, because weak monotonicity requires a stronger condition than strong monotonicity, that is for all elements of a bundle to be greater than the elements of another bundle. Thus, if strong monotonicity happens, there's no guarantee weak monotonicity will also happen. Take the sets $A = (2,3)$ and $B = (3,3)$ and $C=(3,4)$. Then if s.m is valid, $B \succ A, C \succ A, C \succ B$. However, if only w.m is valid $C \succ A$ is all you can say  
> **username_0**: But that is precisely what I'm trying to prove. If strong monotonicity is valid, then weak monotonicity must also be valid. Again, referring to the "plain English" explanation: if having more of one of the goods implies that a bundle is preferred to another, then it must also be true that having more of all goods also implies that a bundle if preferred to another. If having more of something is better, then having more of all things is also better, considering, of course, that all commodities are "goods". What do you think? Again, I really appreciate the back and forth!  
> **username_0**: Let us [continue this discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/107947/discussion-between-pedro-cunha-and-1muflon1).  
> **username_0**: "If strong monotonicity is valid then bundle A is unambiguously better than bundle B and hence any rational decision maker would not hesitate picking A, but in weak monotonicity the bundle A is better only in some way than bundle B so it is no longer unambiguously the best choice and hence rational decision maker might hesitate here.". This depends on the bundles A and B. If s.m. is valid, then $A \succ B$ only if A has more of at least one of the goods. In much the same way, if w.m. is valid, then $A \succ B$ only if A has more of all of the goods. If s.m. is valid and we have a bundle with..  
> **username_0**: more of all goods, that this bundle will also be preferred, because it also has more of one of the goods (it has more of all goods). And thus, if a bundle with more of all goods is preferred, then the s.m. is also valid.  
> **username_1**: The proof seems fine, albeit could be cleaner.  
> **username_0**: I'd appreciate any tips on how to improve it, @WalrasianAuctioneer  
> **username_2**: @KennyLJ thanks for clarifying  
> **username_1**: @PedroCunha Kenny's answer was the cleaner more direct proof I would have written!  

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