<p>The MU question you quote is poorly worded. Here the proper answer would be:</p>
<p><code>C Indeterminate with the given information</code></p>
<p>First we can visualize it as shown on the diagrams shown below. Consumer surplus is the difference between willingness to pay (given by demand)`and price they actually pay so for all consumers it is the area below demand curve and above market price i.e. the blue area on the picture. Producer surplus is the difference between market price and price at which they are willing to supply so for all producers it is the area below market price and above supply curve i.e. the red area on picture below (you can see Mankiw Principles of Economics Ch 7 for more discussion on consumer and producer surplus).  Without any price celling the market will be at equilibrium where supply equals demand so there will be no shortage. After price celling producers are only willing to supply <span class="math-container">$Q_S$</span> while people demand <span class="math-container">$Q_D$</span> resulting in shortage of the good of size <span class="math-container">$Q_D-Q_S$</span>. Shortages can result in waiting lines as usually some non-market mechanism then takes over.</p>
<p>We know that <strong>total surplus</strong> of society shrinks because <span class="math-container">$CS+PS$</span> is definitely smaller as the total colored area shrinks. However, if we only look at <span class="math-container">$CS$</span> it is possible that it increases because consumers both loose part of their original surplus and gain part of the surplus that was originally belonging to producers. Whether <span class="math-container">$CS$</span> increases or decreases depends on whether the gain  from appropriating part of producer surplus offsets the loss to <span class="math-container">$CS$</span> from consumers that no longer can get the good anymore.</p>
<p>Possibly, the question has a mistake and it was supposed to be total surplus where answer b) would be correct, or there are some unstated assumptions, such as that people experience disutility from queuing (reasonable but not explicitly mentioned in the question) which would lower CS further as it would impose additional costs on consumers.</p>
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I agree that given the information the question cannot be answered; but I think the  interpretation of the question they were going for is this: waiting time should be counted as a component of the price paid by consumers. In this case you reduce the equilibrium quantity traded because suppliers get less, but because of competition for this reduced quantity, consumer "price" (the one that includes cost of waiting) is actually fairly high. But there are theoretical problems with this: consumers may be heterogenous in the valuation of their time, etc.
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@Giskard yes you are probably right it makes sense, that’s why I also mentioned in last paragraph that maybe assumed it causes disutility, but they did not stated it explicitly
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<p>MRU has the following question on a <a href="https://mru.org/practice-questions/price-ceilings-deadweight-loss-practice-questions" rel="nofollow noreferrer">quiz</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Suppose the government forced all bread manufacturers to sell their
products at a “fair price” that was half the current, free-market
price. To keep it simple, assume that people must wait in line to get
bread at the controlled price. Would consumer surplus rise, fall, or
can’t you tell with the information given?</p>
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<p>According to them, the correct answer is:</p>
<pre><code> b. consumer surplus decreases.
</code></pre>
<p>I don't understand how they arrive at this answer.  It seems to me that without the price ceiling, the surplus will be close to 0, since there will be a price equilibrium.  With the ceiling, however, people are waiting in line, indicating that they would be willing to pay more for the bread if they could (the time spent waiting theoretically converts to money).  Thus, consumer surplus increases.  Or am I misunderstanding the question?</p>

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# consumer surplus decreasing

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-03-30)

MRU has the following question on a quiz:

Suppose the government forced all bread manufacturers to sell their
products at a “fair price” that was half the current, free-market
price. To keep it simple, assume that people must wait in line to get
bread at the controlled price. Would consumer surplus rise, fall, or
can’t you tell with the information given?

According to them, the correct answer is:
 b. consumer surplus decreases.

I don't understand how they arrive at this answer.  It seems to me that without the price ceiling, the surplus will be close to 0, since there will be a price equilibrium.  With the ceiling, however, people are waiting in line, indicating that they would be willing to pay more for the bread if they could (the time spent waiting theoretically converts to money).  Thus, consumer surplus increases.  Or am I misunderstanding the question?

**Tags:** microeconomics, self-study, price, nonexpert, consumer-surplus

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### Answer by username_1 on 2021-03-30. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

The MU question you quote is poorly worded. Here the proper answer would be:

`C Indeterminate with the given information`

First we can visualize it as shown on the diagrams shown below. Consumer surplus is the difference between willingness to pay (given by demand)`and price they actually pay so for all consumers it is the area below demand curve and above market price i.e. the blue area on the picture. Producer surplus is the difference between market price and price at which they are willing to supply so for all producers it is the area below market price and above supply curve i.e. the red area on picture below (you can see Mankiw Principles of Economics Ch 7 for more discussion on consumer and producer surplus). Without any price celling the market will be at equilibrium where supply equals demand so there will be no shortage. After price celling producers are only willing to supply $Q\_S$ while people demand $Q\_D$ resulting in shortage of the good of size $Q\_D-Q\_S$. Shortages can result in waiting lines as usually some non-market mechanism then takes over.

We know that **total surplus** of society shrinks because $CS+PS$ is definitely smaller as the total colored area shrinks. However, if we only look at $CS$ it is possible that it increases because consumers both loose part of their original surplus and gain part of the surplus that was originally belonging to producers. Whether $CS$ increases or decreases depends on whether the gain from appropriating part of producer surplus offsets the loss to $CS$ from consumers that no longer can get the good anymore.

Possibly, the question has a mistake and it was supposed to be total surplus where answer b) would be correct, or there are some unstated assumptions, such as that people experience disutility from queuing (reasonable but not explicitly mentioned in the question) which would lower CS further as it would impose additional costs on consumers.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: I agree that given the information the question cannot be answered; but I think the  interpretation of the question they were going for is this: waiting time should be counted as a component of the price paid by consumers. In this case you reduce the equilibrium quantity traded because suppliers get less, but because of competition for this reduced quantity, consumer "price" (the one that includes cost of waiting) is actually fairly high. But there are theoretical problems with this: consumers may be heterogenous in the valuation of their time, etc.  
> **username_1**: @Giskard yes you are probably right it makes sense, that’s why I also mentioned in last paragraph that maybe assumed it causes disutility, but they did not stated it explicitly  

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