<p>There is no quantifiable answer as the concept is illusory.  Banks operate by mismatching short term debt with long term assets.  This has no benefit to the economy as a whole and in fact creates inflation, risk and volitionality.  Banks operate maturity mismatching because they can and it serves their own interest.  There is no natural demand for banks which is why they are in need of constant artificial support from central banks (much of which happens on a daily basis).  Without central bank support, banks would be accountable for mismatching short term debt with long term assets and they would quickly and rightly so burn up in a liquidity fire.</p>

<p>Perhaps a better premise to start before mathematically quantifying the demand for banks is to ask conceptually the role banks play in an economy first.  Without conceptual and contextual understanding, math is meaningless number juggling designed to impress and confuse those that don't know better.</p>

<p>Now...it can be said it said there is a demand for money of which banks create.  Imagine if we were to switch to the gold standard all of sudden.  Only gold could be exchanged for services.  Because gold is limited, the price for it (to acquire as a means of exchange) would shoot up astronomically.  This profiting (from gold sellers to gold buyers) represents economic loss for the buyers.  If they could acquire another means of exchange (say gold deposits that were not tied 100% to gold) they would not have to pay as much for the gold.  So in a way banks can create competition for money.  But in doing so they create either their own inflation or profiteering.  Then there is of course the matter of fiat currencies competing which never ends well...</p>

<p>Personally, that is why I'm in favor of a national depository that would negate the need for deposit banking.</p>

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<p>I am in need of a variable measuring "demand for banking services" in general, on a country level. <em>Specifically</em> the (maximum) <em>size of the market</em> for banking services for a given country. This will be used as a control variable.</p>

<p>Does anyone know any standard proxies or measures used in the literature to measure something like "total demand for banks"? I need something general, not a specific banking service. Something that summarizes the different sources of demand for banking services, such as some kind of constructed index or so. Something that summarizes everything/most services through which banks make profits. If that is not possible, are there maybe two standard measures that each cover demand for deposits and demand for loans? </p>

<p>What variables are generally used? If nobody knows what is standard, does anyone have any plausible suggestions of proxies/measures for "demand for banking services"? Further, any suggestions on data sources I could use to get country level data (preferably a panel starting around the '80s or '90s) for such a variable?</p>

<p>The proxy/measure need not be perfect. The only <strong>important</strong> thing is that it captures <strong>"the size of the market for banking services</strong> (in general)" in some way. Especially a measure of demand that would <strong>determine the (maximum) number of banks</strong> in a given country.</p>

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What's the underlying problem that you are trying to address? How would you use information on "demand for banking services" - what difference will the answer make? If you can give us the context, you will get better answers. As it stands, you're asking about demand for quite a range of services, rather than demand for a single service.
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I need it as a control variable for a paper I'm writing. I need to test a theory in which "demand for banks" in general is a relevant factor. I realize banks offer a wide range of services, but I need something general that summarizes everything/most services through which banks make profits. While in many theoretical papers "demand for banking services" is treated as a single "variable", I can't seem to find a viable empirical counterpart, such as an index summarizing the different sources of demand for banks. For "stock/equity demand" I'd probably use something like market capitalization.
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We can easily observe the equilibrium quantity of credit intermediation and the price, but observing demand directly will be nigh impossible. In specific contexts it's possible to use things like application rates, but even those are fraught, as you can only observe applications at a given price, and applicants may not bother if they perceive credit as being tight.
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Thanks @EnergyNumbers for suggesting edits. I have updated my question and hope it is formulated better now.
Dismalscience thank you for your response.
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So you're trying to build a model, but you've picked a control variable that isn't really meaningful? Maybe you need to change the model structure before trying to estimate it.
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Maybe. I'm trying to test predictions of a theoretical model I've already built where the market size for banks plays a role. The crucial reason I need this estimate is to see how many banks would enter a given market under perfect competition. For example something like the intercept of a linear demand function. Any ideas on how to modify it or what specific variable would be representative of such a factor?
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For many markets there sometimes are estimates of the maximum market size or at least market satiation from which the maximum market size can be inferred,  which is why I thought something similar might exist for the banking industry. Maybe I should just go with structural estimation? @EnergyNumbers
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# Measuring demand for banking services - (Maximum) Market Size

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-10-06)

I am in need of a variable measuring "demand for banking services" in general, on a country level. *Specifically* the (maximum) *size of the market* for banking services for a given country. This will be used as a control variable.

Does anyone know any standard proxies or measures used in the literature to measure something like "total demand for banks"? I need something general, not a specific banking service. Something that summarizes the different sources of demand for banking services, such as some kind of constructed index or so. Something that summarizes everything/most services through which banks make profits. If that is not possible, are there maybe two standard measures that each cover demand for deposits and demand for loans?

What variables are generally used? If nobody knows what is standard, does anyone have any plausible suggestions of proxies/measures for "demand for banking services"? Further, any suggestions on data sources I could use to get country level data (preferably a panel starting around the '80s or '90s) for such a variable?

The proxy/measure need not be perfect. The only **important** thing is that it captures **"the size of the market for banking services** (in general)" in some way. Especially a measure of demand that would **determine the (maximum) number of banks** in a given country.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: What's the underlying problem that you are trying to address? How would you use information on "demand for banking services" - what difference will the answer make? If you can give us the context, you will get better answers. As it stands, you're asking about demand for quite a range of services, rather than demand for a single service.  
> **username_0**: I need it as a control variable for a paper I'm writing. I need to test a theory in which "demand for banks" in general is a relevant factor. I realize banks offer a wide range of services, but I need something general that summarizes everything/most services through which banks make profits. While in many theoretical papers "demand for banking services" is treated as a single "variable", I can't seem to find a viable empirical counterpart, such as an index summarizing the different sources of demand for banks. For "stock/equity demand" I'd probably use something like market capitalization.  
> **username_2**: We can easily observe the equilibrium quantity of credit intermediation and the price, but observing demand directly will be nigh impossible. In specific contexts it's possible to use things like application rates, but even those are fraught, as you can only observe applications at a given price, and applicants may not bother if they perceive credit as being tight.  
> **username_0**: Thanks @EnergyNumbers for suggesting edits. I have updated my question and hope it is formulated better now. Dismalscience thank you for your response.  
> **username_1**: So you're trying to build a model, but you've picked a control variable that isn't really meaningful? Maybe you need to change the model structure before trying to estimate it.  
> **username_0**: Maybe. I'm trying to test predictions of a theoretical model I've already built where the market size for banks plays a role. The crucial reason I need this estimate is to see how many banks would enter a given market under perfect competition. For example something like the intercept of a linear demand function. Any ideas on how to modify it or what specific variable would be representative of such a factor?  
> **username_0**: For many markets there sometimes are estimates of the maximum market size or at least market satiation from which the maximum market size can be inferred,  which is why I thought something similar might exist for the banking industry. Maybe I should just go with structural estimation? @EnergyNumbers  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2015-12-20. Score: -1

There is no quantifiable answer as the concept is illusory. Banks operate by mismatching short term debt with long term assets. This has no benefit to the economy as a whole and in fact creates inflation, risk and volitionality. Banks operate maturity mismatching because they can and it serves their own interest. There is no natural demand for banks which is why they are in need of constant artificial support from central banks (much of which happens on a daily basis). Without central bank support, banks would be accountable for mismatching short term debt with long term assets and they would quickly and rightly so burn up in a liquidity fire.

Perhaps a better premise to start before mathematically quantifying the demand for banks is to ask conceptually the role banks play in an economy first. Without conceptual and contextual understanding, math is meaningless number juggling designed to impress and confuse those that don't know better.

Now...it can be said it said there is a demand for money of which banks create. Imagine if we were to switch to the gold standard all of sudden. Only gold could be exchanged for services. Because gold is limited, the price for it (to acquire as a means of exchange) would shoot up astronomically. This profiting (from gold sellers to gold buyers) represents economic loss for the buyers. If they could acquire another means of exchange (say gold deposits that were not tied 100% to gold) they would not have to pay as much for the gold. So in a way banks can create competition for money. But in doing so they create either their own inflation or profiteering. Then there is of course the matter of fiat currencies competing which never ends well...

Personally, that is why I'm in favor of a national depository that would negate the need for deposit banking.


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