<p>The idea is that both the consumer and the producer of a good take on some of the burden of a tax, even if you don't intend to levy the tax on one or the other. So if you have a sales tax that consumers have to pay, what will happen is that consumers won't take the full brunt of that tax. They will demand less and producers will have to make the product cheaper in response, so they get less revenue overall anyway.</p>

<p>How much tax burden each side will have to pay depends on their relative elasticities, which I imagine you'll be going over soon if you're going over tax incidence. Elasticity is a measure of sensitivity to a change in price to in this case, quantity supplies or demanded.</p>

<p>So $P* \neq P_p$ because the producer will have to shift from the equilibrium just like the producer will have to. It's the same idea for the consumer as for the producer, since the tax burden falls on both of them.</p>

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I'm still no let sure I understand. The price producers receive seems to be aligned, on the graph, with the new market equilibrium as well as the original supply curve. Why is that?
StopReadingThisUsername
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2015-10-17T01:35:32.317Z
Because even though the producers charge $P_c$, part of the tax goes to the government and the producers receive $P_p$. So that's why you'll get that alignment.
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2015-10-17T01:43:00.173Z
You have an object that costs $1.00 without any tax, meaning that the producers receive exactly $1.00. The government decides to impose a $0.08 tax on the object - after this imposition, the consumers pay $1.08, and the government receives $0.08 per good sold. However, the price received by firms is still $1.00. This is what I'm basing my argument for why P* = Pp. What's wrong with this?
StopReadingThisUsername
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2015-10-17T01:49:56.977Z
This scenario you describe would only happen if demand was perfectly inelastic. If the government levied a tax like that, the consumer would not pay $1.08. They would pay a little less than 1.08 and the producer would charge less than a dollar.
Kitsune Cavalry
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Why would the producer charge less than a dollar? Is it to compensate for the decrease in demand? Would this only occur if the good is elastic, meaning that for an product with inelastic demand, the producers wouldn't charge less?
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<p>In my economics class, we were introduced to the idea that if the government imposes an indirect tax on a good, the price consumers have to pay increases, but along with this increase in price for consumers, the price producers receive decreases. I understand the former perfectly, however, don't understand why the price producers receive decreases.</p>

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<p>$P^*$ is the original price prior to the imposition of taxes, and $Q^*$ is the quantity demanded prior to the imposition of taxes. $P_c$ is the price paid by consumers after the government's decision, and $P_p$ is the price received by firms, once again, after the imposition of taxes. </p>

<p>My question is, why isn't $P^*$ equal to $P_p$?</p>

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Price Producers Receive as a Result of Indirect Taxes
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# Price Producers Receive as a Result of Indirect Taxes

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-10-16)

In my economics class, we were introduced to the idea that if the government imposes an indirect tax on a good, the price consumers have to pay increases, but along with this increase in price for consumers, the price producers receive decreases. I understand the former perfectly, however, don't understand why the price producers receive decreases.

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$P^\*$ is the original price prior to the imposition of taxes, and $Q^\*$ is the quantity demanded prior to the imposition of taxes. $P\_c$ is the price paid by consumers after the government's decision, and $P\_p$ is the price received by firms, once again, after the imposition of taxes.

My question is, why isn't $P^\*$ equal to $P\_p$?

**Tags:** supply-and-demand, taxation, government

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2015-10-16. Score: 1

The idea is that both the consumer and the producer of a good take on some of the burden of a tax, even if you don't intend to levy the tax on one or the other. So if you have a sales tax that consumers have to pay, what will happen is that consumers won't take the full brunt of that tax. They will demand less and producers will have to make the product cheaper in response, so they get less revenue overall anyway.

How much tax burden each side will have to pay depends on their relative elasticities, which I imagine you'll be going over soon if you're going over tax incidence. Elasticity is a measure of sensitivity to a change in price to in this case, quantity supplies or demanded.

So $P\* \neq P\_p$ because the producer will have to shift from the equilibrium just like the producer will have to. It's the same idea for the consumer as for the producer, since the tax burden falls on both of them.

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: I'm still no let sure I understand. The price producers receive seems to be aligned, on the graph, with the new market equilibrium as well as the original supply curve. Why is that?  
> **username_1**: Because even though the producers charge $P_c$, part of the tax goes to the government and the producers receive $P_p$. So that's why you'll get that alignment.  
> **username_2**: You have an object that costs $1.00 without any tax, meaning that the producers receive exactly $1.00. The government decides to impose a $0.08 tax on the object - after this imposition, the consumers pay $1.08, and the government receives $0.08 per good sold. However, the price received by firms is still $1.00. This is what I'm basing my argument for why P* = Pp. What's wrong with this?  
> **username_1**: This scenario you describe would only happen if demand was perfectly inelastic. If the government levied a tax like that, the consumer would not pay $1.08. They would pay a little less than 1.08 and the producer would charge less than a dollar.  
> **username_0**: Why would the producer charge less than a dollar? Is it to compensate for the decrease in demand? Would this only occur if the good is elastic, meaning that for an product with inelastic demand, the producers wouldn't charge less?  

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