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<p>My question – which I never heard answered and also can't find anything on the web for (searching just yields that there are apparently five countries without debt in foreign currency) – is whether there is any way for a country to create money without also increasing it's debt by the same amount.</p>
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<p>Trivially yes. Some of the money in circulation is simply printed on paper or minted as a coin. That sort of money does not create any public debt. For example, in US treasury and in EU ECB can technically print as much dollar/euro bills as they want and then just 'gift' them to the government.</p>
<p>From accounting perspective ECB or treasury might treat currency in circulation as liability, but accounting is distinct from economics and you cannot simply transplant accounting definitions to economics. Economically, such liability is not recorded in measures of government debt.</p>
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<p>the debt of the government is the wealth of the people and businesses of the nation</p>
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<p>This is not true. This would only hold for closed economy of a country. If I (I am European) buy US treasury that treasury is indeed part of my wealth and since I live in the Netherlands part of the Dutch wealth, but no longer part of wealth of the US nation since I have neither US citizenship nor do I reside within US (depending whether you want to use residency or citizenship as deciding factor).</p>
<p>Nor does that imply excessive government debt is not a problem since empirically excessive levels of debt can hurt economic growth (e.g. see <a href="https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/01443581211255620/full/html?casa_token=bJqi_qGjWWoAAAAA:Oca6PIGNT41v8gD8mDU_rSQs35ToauECJDMcEFFBRkgmg4JviFpP_Nc47panuIX9Dcko2zq2C4wDvUqtCv_z8fzefhPO54KRp-tnpNC9AA0hxwtp" rel="nofollow noreferrer">DiPeitro et al. 2012</a> or  <a href="https://www.inzeko.ktu.lt/index.php/EE/article/view/4551" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Mencinger et al 2015</a>). This is just empirical observation regardless of what sort of theory you prefer to follow. However, its worth noting that this negative effects only kicks in at very high levels, and generally there is no magic number to say what level of debt-to-GDP is too high. Every country has bit different threshold.</p>

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I know that too much is bad (hence I wrote "debt is not *necessarily* a problem") and that economies aren't closed, but I a) think that this should usually be a sufficiently good approximation and b) I don't really care personally of which nationality the person having the wealth is (Although that still of course doesn't mean that I'm not technically wrong).         About that the ECB can just print money without backing is something I didn't know, although I still don't understand where the difference to debt in reality (aka. outside of accounting) is.
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@ErnestBredar 1. Right but even if you personally do not care about nationality saying " the wealth of the people and businesses **of the nation**" is unchanged is not correct. If you would say people and business worldwide that would be correct statement. 2. The thing is that printing currency under accounting is considered liability for central bank or in US treasury. When ECB prints 1 Euro on its balance sheet there will be asset cash 1 euro and liability currency in circulation 1 euro. Liabilities are debts in accounting. But it is not debt in a sense central bank borrowed that 1 euro
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ECB literally produced it using printing press, so it is debt from accounting perspective but not from economic one
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<p>I'm currently learning about Modern Monetary Theory and why government debt is not necessarily a problem, because the debt of the government is the wealth of the people and businesses of the nation (I mean debt in the country's own currency, so e.g. USD for the US or Euro for the EU, not e.g. USD for Venezuela) and that every (say) dollar in circulation causes the government to have debt.</p>
<p>My question – which I never heard answered and also can't find anything on the web for (searching just yields that there are apparently five countries without debt in foreign currency) – is whether there is any way for a country to create money without also increasing it's debt by the same amount.</p>

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Can a country be debt free?
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# Can a country be debt free?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-10-05)

I'm currently learning about Modern Monetary Theory and why government debt is not necessarily a problem, because the debt of the government is the wealth of the people and businesses of the nation (I mean debt in the country's own currency, so e.g. USD for the US or Euro for the EU, not e.g. USD for Venezuela) and that every (say) dollar in circulation causes the government to have debt.

My question – which I never heard answered and also can't find anything on the web for (searching just yields that there are apparently five countries without debt in foreign currency) – is whether there is any way for a country to create money without also increasing it's debt by the same amount.

**Tags:** macroeconomics, government-debt

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### Answer by username_1 on 2022-10-05. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

> My question – which I never heard answered and also can't find anything on the web for (searching just yields that there are apparently five countries without debt in foreign currency) – is whether there is any way for a country to create money without also increasing it's debt by the same amount.

Trivially yes. Some of the money in circulation is simply printed on paper or minted as a coin. That sort of money does not create any public debt. For example, in US treasury and in EU ECB can technically print as much dollar/euro bills as they want and then just 'gift' them to the government.

From accounting perspective ECB or treasury might treat currency in circulation as liability, but accounting is distinct from economics and you cannot simply transplant accounting definitions to economics. Economically, such liability is not recorded in measures of government debt.

> the debt of the government is the wealth of the people and businesses of the nation

This is not true. This would only hold for closed economy of a country. If I (I am European) buy US treasury that treasury is indeed part of my wealth and since I live in the Netherlands part of the Dutch wealth, but no longer part of wealth of the US nation since I have neither US citizenship nor do I reside within US (depending whether you want to use residency or citizenship as deciding factor).

Nor does that imply excessive government debt is not a problem since empirically excessive levels of debt can hurt economic growth (e.g. see [DiPeitro et al. 2012](https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/01443581211255620/full/html?casa_token=bJqi_qGjWWoAAAAA:Oca6PIGNT41v8gD8mDU_rSQs35ToauECJDMcEFFBRkgmg4JviFpP_Nc47panuIX9Dcko2zq2C4wDvUqtCv_z8fzefhPO54KRp-tnpNC9AA0hxwtp) or [Mencinger et al 2015](https://www.inzeko.ktu.lt/index.php/EE/article/view/4551)). This is just empirical observation regardless of what sort of theory you prefer to follow. However, its worth noting that this negative effects only kicks in at very high levels, and generally there is no magic number to say what level of debt-to-GDP is too high. Every country has bit different threshold.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I know that too much is bad (hence I wrote "debt is not *necessarily* a problem") and that economies aren't closed, but I a) think that this should usually be a sufficiently good approximation and b) I don't really care personally of which nationality the person having the wealth is (Although that still of course doesn't mean that I'm not technically wrong).         About that the ECB can just print money without backing is something I didn't know, although I still don't understand where the difference to debt in reality (aka. outside of accounting) is.  
> **username_1**: @ErnestBredar 1. Right but even if you personally do not care about nationality saying " the wealth of the people and businesses **of the nation**" is unchanged is not correct. If you would say people and business worldwide that would be correct statement. 2. The thing is that printing currency under accounting is considered liability for central bank or in US treasury. When ECB prints 1 Euro on its balance sheet there will be asset cash 1 euro and liability currency in circulation 1 euro. Liabilities are debts in accounting. But it is not debt in a sense central bank borrowed that 1 euro  
> **username_1**: ECB literally produced it using printing press, so it is debt from accounting perspective but not from economic one  

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