<p>No, banks don't directly profit from selling bonds to the central bank. These bonds are sold at face value, there is no discount or premium, this is not part of the system.</p>

<p>My best guess of what the author means is that by selling bonds to the central bank, commercial banks get cash, which they loan out and make a profit on the loans. So commercial banks profit from selling bonds to the central bank in an indirect way. Attributing banks' profits from lending to the central bank is a bit of stretch though and not a very appropriate statement in my view, so I fear I might have misunderstood the author.</p>

<p>What the article seems to promote is already a reality in communist China, where state-owned banks lend at favourable rates. There can be significant problems with this approach of cutting out private banks, as the Chinese bad loan problem shows (although private banks can also accumulate bad loans, but maybe less so due to competition), but this is a different discussion.</p>

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2017-08-29T09:36:20.650Z
But its likely the loans have a much longer maturity than the short-term bonds central bank use to target the (sort-term) nominal interest rate. This could lead to important maturity mistmatches. Are you sure banks lend **the money** from bonds sold to the CB? Do you have a reference for this?
luchonacho
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2017-08-29T09:46:05.530Z
Sorry, no reference at the moment, but maturity transformation is one of the main things banks do. Deposits are also immediately available if depositors wish to withdraw them, while banks might have used these deposits to finance multi-year loans as you suggest.
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M3RS
<p>I am a bit puzzled by the quote below, from <a href="https://thenextsystem.org/money#how-is-money-created-in-the-pluralist-commonwealth" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a> (emphasis mine):</p>

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  <p>Modern monetary theorists have helped clarify the obvious point that private banks are not essential to the design of the system. It would be possible for the Federal Reserve to bypass <strong>the banks which profit by selling bonds to the Fed</strong> and, instead, invest the proceeds, for instance, in a public “Infrastructure Bank” [...]</p>
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<p>So, central banks pursue open market operations by selling/buying bonds from banks or other financial institutions involved in these operations. Maybe the author is referring to the "buying side" of these operations, whereby the central banks buy short-term debt from banks?</p>

<p>Does this mean that banks only sell these bonds if they expect a profit? Does that also mean that banks only buy these bonds at a profit? How does this profit materialise? Through a discount/premium over the price at which these bonds are bought/sold? Or is the author simply referring to the fact that these bonds have positive nominal interest rates? (but these bonds are usually from the government, so it is not the central bank who is paying the interest)</p>

<p>Does this mean that banks are in every single transaction profiting from such operations?</p>

<p>(sorry, a lot of questions but they are very much related).</p>

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2017-08-25T12:31:40.190Z
"Does this mean that banks only sell these bonds if they expect a profit?" As opposed to doing so because of a court order? What other motive would they have?
Giskard
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2017-08-25T12:38:30.500Z
@denesp There could be liquidity considerations, or indeed some form of regulation that gives those participating in this market some associated with the benefit of participating.
luchonacho
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2017-08-25T12:45:30.727Z
I would classify liquidity considerations part of the profit motive. I am now unclear on what exactly you mean by profit.
Giskard
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@denesp Maybe. By profits I mean a speculative motive in the buy and sell in order to produce capital gains or other form of asset return.
luchonacho
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Except for selling at the face value, banks can give bonds to the central bank as collateral in order to access funds, to get liquidity.
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Do banks make profits by selling bonds to the central bank?
luchonacho
# Do banks make profits by selling bonds to the central bank?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-08-25)

I am a bit puzzled by the quote below, from [here](https://thenextsystem.org/money#how-is-money-created-in-the-pluralist-commonwealth) (emphasis mine):

> Modern monetary theorists have helped clarify the obvious point that private banks are not essential to the design of the system. It would be possible for the Federal Reserve to bypass **the banks which profit by selling bonds to the Fed** and, instead, invest the proceeds, for instance, in a public “Infrastructure Bank” [...]

So, central banks pursue open market operations by selling/buying bonds from banks or other financial institutions involved in these operations. Maybe the author is referring to the "buying side" of these operations, whereby the central banks buy short-term debt from banks?

Does this mean that banks only sell these bonds if they expect a profit? Does that also mean that banks only buy these bonds at a profit? How does this profit materialise? Through a discount/premium over the price at which these bonds are bought/sold? Or is the author simply referring to the fact that these bonds have positive nominal interest rates? (but these bonds are usually from the government, so it is not the central bank who is paying the interest)

Does this mean that banks are in every single transaction profiting from such operations?

(sorry, a lot of questions but they are very much related).

**Tags:** monetary-policy, banking, central-banking
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: "Does this mean that banks only sell these bonds if they expect a profit?" As opposed to doing so because of a court order? What other motive would they have?  
> **username_0**: @denesp There could be liquidity considerations, or indeed some form of regulation that gives those participating in this market some associated with the benefit of participating.  
> **username_1**: I would classify liquidity considerations part of the profit motive. I am now unclear on what exactly you mean by profit.  
> **username_0**: @denesp Maybe. By profits I mean a speculative motive in the buy and sell in order to produce capital gains or other form of asset return.  
> **username_2**: Except for selling at the face value, banks can give bonds to the central bank as collateral in order to access funds, to get liquidity.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2017-08-26. Score: 2

No, banks don't directly profit from selling bonds to the central bank. These bonds are sold at face value, there is no discount or premium, this is not part of the system.

My best guess of what the author means is that by selling bonds to the central bank, commercial banks get cash, which they loan out and make a profit on the loans. So commercial banks profit from selling bonds to the central bank in an indirect way. Attributing banks' profits from lending to the central bank is a bit of stretch though and not a very appropriate statement in my view, so I fear I might have misunderstood the author.

What the article seems to promote is already a reality in communist China, where state-owned banks lend at favourable rates. There can be significant problems with this approach of cutting out private banks, as the Chinese bad loan problem shows (although private banks can also accumulate bad loans, but maybe less so due to competition), but this is a different discussion.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: But its likely the loans have a much longer maturity than the short-term bonds central bank use to target the (sort-term) nominal interest rate. This could lead to important maturity mistmatches. Are you sure banks lend **the money** from bonds sold to the CB? Do you have a reference for this?  
> **username_3**: Sorry, no reference at the moment, but maturity transformation is one of the main things banks do. Deposits are also immediately available if depositors wish to withdraw them, while banks might have used these deposits to finance multi-year loans as you suggest.  

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