<p>According to standard textbooks on public finance (e.g., Tresch, Public Finance, 3rd ed., p. 272) the tax incidence includes the deadweight loss. This is because we are interested in the burden of the tax on consumers and producers and the deadweight loss can be a large part of this. (However, see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence</a> which does not include the deadweight loss.)</p>

<p>There are some difficulties, however. First, the deadweight loss is only a meaningful concept in partial equilibrium settings. The incidence as you described it cannot be used in general equilibrium settings as supply and demand curves shift with the introduction of the tax. Thus, the more common approach in general equilibrium is to determine the welfare loss of different individuals.</p>

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<p>When calculating the incidence on producers and consumers using a demand and supply curve is dead weight loss a part of the incidence? I know that for example the producer's incidence is a rectangle with a height of the old supply curve price at the new equilibrium quantity minus the new equilibrium price. What I'm not sure about is the width of the rectangle. I know it should start at the y-axis, but I'm unsure of where to stop. The original equilibrium quantity? Or the new equilibrium quantity? If I were to extend the rectangle to the new equilibrium quantity then dead weight loss is included. Is this correct?</p>

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What do you mean by incidence?
Giskard
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In this answer: http://economics.stackexchange.com/a/5037/1601 you can see both the consumers' and the producers' surplus in competitive equilibrium. If you calculate the deadweight loss of a situation, you calculate the surpluses in that situation as well. The total change in surplus is the deadweight loss. If the change is caused by a tax, subsidy, etc. don't forget to include the change of the governments surplus (total tax/total subsidy).
Giskard
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I'm referring to how much subsidy incidence is enjoyed by the buyers.
Blakeasd
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@denesp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence is what blakeasd is asking about
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Subsidies Incidence on Producers and Consumers
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# Subsidies Incidence on Producers and Consumers

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-10-25)

When calculating the incidence on producers and consumers using a demand and supply curve is dead weight loss a part of the incidence? I know that for example the producer's incidence is a rectangle with a height of the old supply curve price at the new equilibrium quantity minus the new equilibrium price. What I'm not sure about is the width of the rectangle. I know it should start at the y-axis, but I'm unsure of where to stop. The original equilibrium quantity? Or the new equilibrium quantity? If I were to extend the rectangle to the new equilibrium quantity then dead weight loss is included. Is this correct?

**Tags:** microeconomics, supply-and-demand, consumer-surplus
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: What do you mean by incidence?  
> **username_1**: In this answer: http://economics.stackexchange.com/a/5037/1601 you can see both the consumers' and the producers' surplus in competitive equilibrium. If you calculate the deadweight loss of a situation, you calculate the surpluses in that situation as well. The total change in surplus is the deadweight loss. If the change is caused by a tax, subsidy, etc. don't forget to include the change of the governments surplus (total tax/total subsidy).  
> **username_0**: I'm referring to how much subsidy incidence is enjoyed by the buyers.  
> **username_2**: @denesp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence is what blakeasd is asking about  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2015-12-22. Score: 1

According to standard textbooks on public finance (e.g., Tresch, Public Finance, 3rd ed., p. 272) the tax incidence includes the deadweight loss. This is because we are interested in the burden of the tax on consumers and producers and the deadweight loss can be a large part of this. (However, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence> which does not include the deadweight loss.)

There are some difficulties, however. First, the deadweight loss is only a meaningful concept in partial equilibrium settings. The incidence as you described it cannot be used in general equilibrium settings as supply and demand curves shift with the introduction of the tax. Thus, the more common approach in general equilibrium is to determine the welfare loss of different individuals.


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