<p><strong>Fundamental Economics</strong></p>
<p>Instead of thinking about GDP, it might be more helpful to think about the production of basic goods and services when &quot;starting from scratch&quot;.</p>
<p>Let's suppose that the space ship crash lands on a deserted island. The crew members swim to the shore but are unable to salvage any of their supplies. We can understand how the economy develops over time by considering what their most important issue is at any given time.</p>
<p>The most pressing concern will probably be hunger, so the crew will look around for food sources. If one gathers more berries than they care to eat, while another catches more fish than they care to eat, these two crew members have an incentive to trade. If one guy is really good at catching fish, he may promise another crew member 5 fish if they construct a hut.</p>
<p>Things get really intereating if the fisherman abstains from eating his whole catch. He can then spend a few days &quot;investing his savings&quot; in building a better fishing rod or a net. This will allow him to more easily catch more fish in the future, allowing him to hire other crew members to build more huts, tools, etc.</p>
<p>After a few generations, the crew members and their descendents may have built up so much useful equipment by saving and investing, that some of them can spend their time meticulously recording how many seashells worth of fish and berries are consumed/invested in order to calculate the island's GDP.</p>
<p>The point is that &quot;GDP&quot; is not the same as &quot;the economy&quot;. GDP is a statistical estimate of the total number of dollars spent on certain goods and services in a given region. It is an <em>attempt to quantify</em> if people's standard of living is high/low, increasing/decreasing, but it is by not always 100% accurate.</p>
<p>To understand <em>how the standard of living is improved in practice</em> (how &quot;the economy grows&quot;) requires one to analyze what decisions people make with their available ressources, how this affects the future production of goods, and how changing circumstances can alter the incentives to engage in certain activities.</p>
<p>With this in mind, you should be able to answer this rephrased version of one of your questions:</p>
<p>&quot;If there is no iron ore on the island, how does this limit the standard of living of the crew? If a hidden vein is suddenly discovered, how will the activities pursued by the crew members change, and what effect would this have on the island's GDP (if someone were to record it)?&quot;</p>

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<p>Science-fiction, at least that of genre type, has been characterised by psychologists as escapist fiction in that it avoids the very real human dilemmas that the very best literature succeeds in facing. (it's worth noting that one of the golden age SF authors, Isaac Asimov faces the dilemma of SF as escapism and the human, represented by the earth in his own fictioneering).</p>
<p>Given that you are modelling an economy where the massive costs of terraforming a planet is a given, I would suggest that what you are modelling is escapist economics. This is very far from the study of  the economy of a nation or a civilisation that for example Adam Smith examined in his <em>Wealth of Nations</em>.</p>
<p>This kind of escapist economics is actually well-known as perpetual growth. This idea, of perpetual motion, has taken a serious knocking in a sister discipline - physics - where now, even to raise this question is considered to be completely misconceived and demonstrating a hopeless lack of understanding in the fundamentals of physics. You would be very quickly labelled a crackpot, if not worse.</p>
<p>Economics is not something that we can escape as has been recently realised by the IMF. After accounting for the so-called free lunch given to us by the environment, that is our own planet, our home. And then factoring in all the attendant costs
of cleaning up pollutions and mitigating the effects of climate change they have, in their most recent report, pointed out that the global economy is heading for a crash that will make all past crashes look like a storm in a tea-cup.</p>
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<p>Theoretical economy calculation for a closed country</p>
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<p>There isn't one, ie closed country,  in our globalised economy which climate change only underlines.</p>

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In the question I wrote that everything is already good on another planet, air, climate, etc., meaning terraforming is already done. The planet is just an example. Going to 
the uninhabited island also works.
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<p>You are basically asking for a growth model and yes there are plenty of them the two most popular are:</p>
<ol>
<li>Solow-Swan growth model.</li>
<li>Endogenous growth model.</li>
</ol>
<p>I will go over simplified version of both in order to answer how 'G' depends on time and also how 'N' plays a role but I will change the name of all variables to follow standard economic terminology and notation as your non-standard terminology is bit confusing and all over the place. Furthermore, I will present only the most simplest versions of such models, skipping some derivations for the sake of brevity, for more advanced versions and full treatment I would direct you toward Romer Advanced Macroeconomics or Barro &amp; Sala-i-Martin Economic Growth.</p>
<p><strong>Solow-Swan Model</strong></p>
<p>The Solow-Swan model is currently the more dominant model in mainstream economics as the latter endogenous growth model, while theoretically appealing, is very hard to empirically test.  A long story short in this model evolution of GDP (real output - denoted by <span class="math-container">$Y$</span>) would depend on a) exogenously given technology (denoted by <span class="math-container">$A$</span>) growth (<span class="math-container">$g$</span>) and also population (<span class="math-container">$L$</span>) growth (<span class="math-container">$n$</span>). However, living standards depend not just on total of <span class="math-container">$Y$</span> but on <span class="math-container">$Y$</span> per head (country with 100 GDP but 10 people is arguably richer than country with 100 GDP but 100 people).</p>
<p>The model goes as follows:</p>
<p>We need to start with specifying some production function as we need to have some way of determining the output <span class="math-container">$Y$</span>. A classical example would be:</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$Y = F(K,L) = K^{\alpha}AL^{1-\alpha}$$</span>,</p>
<p>where <span class="math-container">$K$</span> is the stock of capital and <span class="math-container">$L$</span> the labor which is for simplicity assumed to correspond to population. Furthermore, the production function will be expressed per unit of effective worker (<span class="math-container">$AL$</span>):</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$\frac{Y}{AL}= F(\frac{K}{AL},1) = (\frac{K}{AL})^{\alpha} = f(k) = k^{\alpha}$$</span></p>
<p>with <span class="math-container">$0&lt;\alpha&lt;1$</span> and <span class="math-container">$f(0)=0, f'(k)&gt;0$</span> &amp;  <span class="math-container">$f''(k)&lt;0$</span>. The evolution of population and technology in the model would be given by <span class="math-container">$\dot{L}(t) = nL(t)$</span> and <span class="math-container">$\dot{A}(t) = gA(t)$</span>. Furthermore, the evolution of <span class="math-container">$K$</span> is given by <span class="math-container">$\dot{K}(t)= sY(t) -\delta K(t)$</span> where <span class="math-container">$sY(t)$</span> is the proportion of output saved under savings rate <span class="math-container">$s$</span> and <span class="math-container">$\delta$</span> is the depreciation rate -i.e. the rate at which capital breaks down.</p>
<p>I will skip most of the derivations but under the above conditions it can be showed that the capital per person has following dynamics: <span class="math-container">$\dot{k}=sf(k(t))-(n+g+\delta)k(t)$</span>. Given this conditions in a steady state (a state where <span class="math-container">$\dot{k}=0$</span>) it can be shown that the evolution of capital (<span class="math-container">$K=ALk$</span>) will be given by:</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$\frac{\dot{K}}{K} = n+g \implies \frac{\dot{Y}}{Y}=n+g  $$</span></p>
<p>The reason why above implication holds is because in this case production function implies constant returns to scale. When expressed in per capita terms the growth of <span class="math-container">$Y/L$</span> will simply be <span class="math-container">$n$</span>.</p>
<p>Hence, your closed martian economy will grow at the rate of <span class="math-container">$n+g$</span> in absolute terms and in per capita terms at the rate of <span class="math-container">$n$</span>. Hence, In this model the output/GDP of your martian economy would grow as long as combined growth of population and technology is bigger than zero (<span class="math-container">$n+g&gt;0)$</span> and would shrink if the inequality would go other way. In per capita terms only the growth of technology would matter.  The stock of <span class="math-container">$Y(0)$</span> and population <span class="math-container">$L(0)$</span> as well as capital <span class="math-container">$K(0)$</span> (which you dont mention) that people will bring to the mars will determine the initial conditions but not the growth rate of the colony.</p>
<p>As mentioned by Giskard in his +1 comments the exact solution depends on assumptions about the production function. For example, if we would not have constant returns to scale there would also the <span class="math-container">$Y$</span> would not grow exactly at <span class="math-container">$n+g$</span> but generally speaking the  growth rate of total output would still be a function of <span class="math-container">$n$</span> and <span class="math-container">$g$</span> and per capita output of <span class="math-container">$g$</span>.</p>
<p><strong>Endogenous Growth Model</strong></p>
<p>I wont cover endogenous growth model in such explicit detail as Solow-Swan model as endogenous growth model is far more complex and even surface level treatment would take several pages. However, I will cover some departures from the above Solow-Swan model.</p>
<p>In endogenous growth model the rate at which technology grows (<span class="math-container">$g$</span>) is not just exogenously given but determined by the model. For example, according to Romer's textbook mentioned above a simple endogenous model inspired by the works of Romer, Grossman and Helpman and Aghion and Howitt would use the following production function:</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$Y(t) = ((1-a_k)K(t))^{\alpha} (A(t)(1-a_L)L(t))^{1-\alpha}$$</span></p>
<p>with the change in technology given by:</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$$\dot{A}(t) =B(a_k K(t))^{\beta} (a_L L(t))^{\gamma}A(t)^{\theta}$$</span></p>
<p>Translated to plain English the first equation says that the output will be given by the share of capital and people devoted to production of goods and services   (<span class="math-container">$(1-a_k)K(t)$</span> and <span class="math-container">$(1-a_L)L(t)$</span> respectively as well as technology <span class="math-container">$A$</span> - this is really just modified version of production function in the first part.</p>
<p>The next equation in plain English says that the change of technology in time depends on how much capital and labor is devoted to production of this new technology as well as on the current stock of technology (<span class="math-container">$a_k K(t)$</span>,  <span class="math-container">$a_L L(t)$</span> and <span class="math-container">$A(t)$</span>) respectively.</p>
<p>I wont provide rigorous solution to this problem but the solution would show that depending on exactly what are the parameters of the model - especially the <span class="math-container">$\theta$</span> parameter which tells us what the effect of current knowledge and 'success' of future R&amp;D will be. If past knowledge makes generating future knowledge easier <span class="math-container">$\theta&gt;1$</span> if harder <span class="math-container">$\theta&lt;1$</span> and if its effect is constant <span class="math-container">$\theta=1$</span>. I will grossly oversimplify here but generally if <span class="math-container">$\theta&lt;1$</span> the model will predict virtually the same result as Solow model. If <span class="math-container">$\theta&gt;1$</span> the model will exhibit ever increasing rate of economic growth and in such case having more people will have dramatic impact on speeding up economic growth. If <span class="math-container">$\theta=1$</span> the population growth will still matter but the effect wont be as dramatic as in the previous case and even if population growth is zero the saving rate will play a crucial role in determining long run growth.</p>
<p>To sum it up, in this case depending on what are the parameters of the model we can either say that the result will be similar to the one from Solow model or that here population growth and choose savings rate will also matter for the growth of economic output in your Mars colony. As in the previous case growth would cease or output would decline if either technology or factors of production would decline.</p>
<p>Furthermore, again endogenous growth models have many variants but general takeaway from these models is that population growth or peoples decisions to invest in R&amp;D can also affect the rate of per capita growth of output. Hence in this case the rate of growth of your martian colony would also depend on the number of people on mars and how many of them are engaged in 'production' of R&amp;D or more generally how much they decide to invest resources in such endeavor.</p>
<hr />
<p>PS: You will note that none of the models above really care about how people are distributed between different sectors of economy (your A, B, C and D) - aside from the fraction of factors of production devoted to R&amp;D in endogenous growth model or how much money economy has. Money stock should be not confused with output or GDP and since in the long run money is considered by most economists neutral most economic growth models will not even explicitly include stock of money as it is not considered important.</p>
<p>Moreover, the treatment here is surface level just to showcase some different ways how you could think about the problem. For more full treatment you should refer to sources I cited and sources cited therein.</p>

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Thanks a lot. I will start from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solow%E2%80%93Swan_model
Zlelik
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One more question. Do I correctly understand, that both theories do not take into account consumption or it is hidden in one of the other variables? Something like if there are N people in this colony and every month they produce N iPhones, then they will not buy all these iPhones, because usually nobody needs new iPhone every month.
Zlelik
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@Zlelik the general versions of the model do take into account consumption - see that Romer textbook I recommended in my answer it’s explained in 1st chapter on pp 22-23 or that Barro and Sala-I-Matin book has even much more detailed treatment of including consumption in these growth models. They even have a very detailed treatment of Ramsey model which is modified version of Solow-Swan model that heavily focuses on consumption. Barro and Sala-I-Martin discuss that model in ch2
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<p>Is there any well-known theoretical solution to the problem as described below? I am considering an ideal very simplified case.</p>
<p>There is a closed country/community of N people. All people are working. Let's say they have A% out of N people producing food, B% out of N people working in the industry (producing everything from the phones to cars), C% work in government, D% work in the service like a haircut, cleaning, etc. Initially, the GDP of this community is G or maybe it is better to tell, that initially, they have G amount of money. Let's assume that everything that is produced will be bought by others.</p>
<p>In other words, I can formulate it like this. N people decided to leave this planet and move to Mars/another planet because they fed up with unfair live on The Earth :) They decided to take with them things with total costs G (initial GDP). Let's assume they have everything on the other planet like air, water, Sun, good climate, resources, etc. the same as on The Earth. They divided the people between different occupations as mentioned above.</p>
<p>The questions:</p>
<ul>
<li>I am not an economist, but I would expect this kind of problem was solved already a long time back and it is well-known and has some specific name. Is not it?</li>
<li>How this economy (GDP) will depend on time G(t)?</li>
<li>Are there any conditions when it will grow or it always will go down at some point?</li>
<li>Does G(t) depend on how big is N?</li>
</ul>

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"*I would expect this kind of problem was solved already*" what is the problem? Go live on Mars, be happy, we don't mind...
Giskard
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"*How this economy (GDP) will depend on time G(t)?*" ... depends on the production function? This does not really have anything to do with the people leaving, except that you will not start on the stable growth path.
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Point 3, point 4 also depends on the production function. under the usual assumptions (e.g., technological improvement) the answer is no.
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The economist Piero Sraffa worked with models that looked similar to this. However, he was involved in intricate economic debates, and so it is unclear to me how easy it would be to read his work. (I know about this based on presentations by Sraffians at conferences, but I never dug into the theory.)
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Theoretical economy calculation of closed country
Zlelik
# Theoretical economy calculation of closed country

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-08-24)

Is there any well-known theoretical solution to the problem as described below? I am considering an ideal very simplified case.

There is a closed country/community of N people. All people are working. Let's say they have A% out of N people producing food, B% out of N people working in the industry (producing everything from the phones to cars), C% work in government, D% work in the service like a haircut, cleaning, etc. Initially, the GDP of this community is G or maybe it is better to tell, that initially, they have G amount of money. Let's assume that everything that is produced will be bought by others.

In other words, I can formulate it like this. N people decided to leave this planet and move to Mars/another planet because they fed up with unfair live on The Earth :) They decided to take with them things with total costs G (initial GDP). Let's assume they have everything on the other planet like air, water, Sun, good climate, resources, etc. the same as on The Earth. They divided the people between different occupations as mentioned above.

The questions:

* I am not an economist, but I would expect this kind of problem was solved already a long time back and it is well-known and has some specific name. Is not it?
* How this economy (GDP) will depend on time G(t)?
* Are there any conditions when it will grow or it always will go down at some point?
* Does G(t) depend on how big is N?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: "*I would expect this kind of problem was solved already*" what is the problem? Go live on Mars, be happy, we don't mind...  
> **username_1**: "*How this economy (GDP) will depend on time G(t)?*" ... depends on the production function? This does not really have anything to do with the people leaving, except that you will not start on the stable growth path.  
> **username_1**: Point 3, point 4 also depends on the production function. under the usual assumptions (e.g., technological improvement) the answer is no.  
> **username_2**: The economist Piero Sraffa worked with models that looked similar to this. However, he was involved in intricate economic debates, and so it is unclear to me how easy it would be to read his work. (I know about this based on presentations by Sraffians at conferences, but I never dug into the theory.)  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_5 on 2020-08-25. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

You are basically asking for a growth model and yes there are plenty of them the two most popular are:

1. Solow-Swan growth model.
2. Endogenous growth model.

I will go over simplified version of both in order to answer how 'G' depends on time and also how 'N' plays a role but I will change the name of all variables to follow standard economic terminology and notation as your non-standard terminology is bit confusing and all over the place. Furthermore, I will present only the most simplest versions of such models, skipping some derivations for the sake of brevity, for more advanced versions and full treatment I would direct you toward Romer Advanced Macroeconomics or Barro & Sala-i-Martin Economic Growth.

**Solow-Swan Model**

The Solow-Swan model is currently the more dominant model in mainstream economics as the latter endogenous growth model, while theoretically appealing, is very hard to empirically test. A long story short in this model evolution of GDP (real output - denoted by $Y$) would depend on a) exogenously given technology (denoted by $A$) growth ($g$) and also population ($L$) growth ($n$). However, living standards depend not just on total of $Y$ but on $Y$ per head (country with 100 GDP but 10 people is arguably richer than country with 100 GDP but 100 people).

The model goes as follows:

We need to start with specifying some production function as we need to have some way of determining the output $Y$. A classical example would be:

$$Y = F(K,L) = K^{\alpha}AL^{1-\alpha}$$,

where $K$ is the stock of capital and $L$ the labor which is for simplicity assumed to correspond to population. Furthermore, the production function will be expressed per unit of effective worker ($AL$):

$$\frac{Y}{AL}= F(\frac{K}{AL},1) = (\frac{K}{AL})^{\alpha} = f(k) = k^{\alpha}$$

with $0<\alpha<1$ and $f(0)=0, f'(k)>0$ & $f''(k)<0$. The evolution of population and technology in the model would be given by $\dot{L}(t) = nL(t)$ and $\dot{A}(t) = gA(t)$. Furthermore, the evolution of $K$ is given by $\dot{K}(t)= sY(t) -\delta K(t)$ where $sY(t)$ is the proportion of output saved under savings rate $s$ and $\delta$ is the depreciation rate -i.e. the rate at which capital breaks down.

I will skip most of the derivations but under the above conditions it can be showed that the capital per person has following dynamics: $\dot{k}=sf(k(t))-(n+g+\delta)k(t)$. Given this conditions in a steady state (a state where $\dot{k}=0$) it can be shown that the evolution of capital ($K=ALk$) will be given by:

$$\frac{\dot{K}}{K} = n+g \implies \frac{\dot{Y}}{Y}=n+g $$

The reason why above implication holds is because in this case production function implies constant returns to scale. When expressed in per capita terms the growth of $Y/L$ will simply be $n$.

Hence, your closed martian economy will grow at the rate of $n+g$ in absolute terms and in per capita terms at the rate of $n$. Hence, In this model the output/GDP of your martian economy would grow as long as combined growth of population and technology is bigger than zero ($n+g>0)$ and would shrink if the inequality would go other way. In per capita terms only the growth of technology would matter. The stock of $Y(0)$ and population $L(0)$ as well as capital $K(0)$ (which you dont mention) that people will bring to the mars will determine the initial conditions but not the growth rate of the colony.

As mentioned by Giskard in his +1 comments the exact solution depends on assumptions about the production function. For example, if we would not have constant returns to scale there would also the $Y$ would not grow exactly at $n+g$ but generally speaking the growth rate of total output would still be a function of $n$ and $g$ and per capita output of $g$.

**Endogenous Growth Model**

I wont cover endogenous growth model in such explicit detail as Solow-Swan model as endogenous growth model is far more complex and even surface level treatment would take several pages. However, I will cover some departures from the above Solow-Swan model.

In endogenous growth model the rate at which technology grows ($g$) is not just exogenously given but determined by the model. For example, according to Romer's textbook mentioned above a simple endogenous model inspired by the works of Romer, Grossman and Helpman and Aghion and Howitt would use the following production function:

$$Y(t) = ((1-a\_k)K(t))^{\alpha} (A(t)(1-a\_L)L(t))^{1-\alpha}$$

with the change in technology given by:

$$\dot{A}(t) =B(a\_k K(t))^{\beta} (a\_L L(t))^{\gamma}A(t)^{\theta}$$

Translated to plain English the first equation says that the output will be given by the share of capital and people devoted to production of goods and services ($(1-a\_k)K(t)$ and $(1-a\_L)L(t)$ respectively as well as technology $A$ - this is really just modified version of production function in the first part.

The next equation in plain English says that the change of technology in time depends on how much capital and labor is devoted to production of this new technology as well as on the current stock of technology ($a\_k K(t)$, $a\_L L(t)$ and $A(t)$) respectively.

I wont provide rigorous solution to this problem but the solution would show that depending on exactly what are the parameters of the model - especially the $\theta$ parameter which tells us what the effect of current knowledge and 'success' of future R&D will be. If past knowledge makes generating future knowledge easier $\theta>1$ if harder $\theta<1$ and if its effect is constant $\theta=1$. I will grossly oversimplify here but generally if $\theta<1$ the model will predict virtually the same result as Solow model. If $\theta>1$ the model will exhibit ever increasing rate of economic growth and in such case having more people will have dramatic impact on speeding up economic growth. If $\theta=1$ the population growth will still matter but the effect wont be as dramatic as in the previous case and even if population growth is zero the saving rate will play a crucial role in determining long run growth.

To sum it up, in this case depending on what are the parameters of the model we can either say that the result will be similar to the one from Solow model or that here population growth and choose savings rate will also matter for the growth of economic output in your Mars colony. As in the previous case growth would cease or output would decline if either technology or factors of production would decline.

Furthermore, again endogenous growth models have many variants but general takeaway from these models is that population growth or peoples decisions to invest in R&D can also affect the rate of per capita growth of output. Hence in this case the rate of growth of your martian colony would also depend on the number of people on mars and how many of them are engaged in 'production' of R&D or more generally how much they decide to invest resources in such endeavor.

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PS: You will note that none of the models above really care about how people are distributed between different sectors of economy (your A, B, C and D) - aside from the fraction of factors of production devoted to R&D in endogenous growth model or how much money economy has. Money stock should be not confused with output or GDP and since in the long run money is considered by most economists neutral most economic growth models will not even explicitly include stock of money as it is not considered important.

Moreover, the treatment here is surface level just to showcase some different ways how you could think about the problem. For more full treatment you should refer to sources I cited and sources cited therein.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks a lot. I will start from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solow%E2%80%93Swan_model  
> **username_0**: One more question. Do I correctly understand, that both theories do not take into account consumption or it is hidden in one of the other variables? Something like if there are N people in this colony and every month they produce N iPhones, then they will not buy all these iPhones, because usually nobody needs new iPhone every month.  
> **username_5**: @Zlelik the general versions of the model do take into account consumption - see that Romer textbook I recommended in my answer it’s explained in 1st chapter on pp 22-23 or that Barro and Sala-I-Matin book has even much more detailed treatment of including consumption in these growth models. They even have a very detailed treatment of Ramsey model which is modified version of Solow-Swan model that heavily focuses on consumption. Barro and Sala-I-Martin discuss that model in ch2  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2020-08-25. Score: 0

**Fundamental Economics**

Instead of thinking about GDP, it might be more helpful to think about the production of basic goods and services when "starting from scratch".

Let's suppose that the space ship crash lands on a deserted island. The crew members swim to the shore but are unable to salvage any of their supplies. We can understand how the economy develops over time by considering what their most important issue is at any given time.

The most pressing concern will probably be hunger, so the crew will look around for food sources. If one gathers more berries than they care to eat, while another catches more fish than they care to eat, these two crew members have an incentive to trade. If one guy is really good at catching fish, he may promise another crew member 5 fish if they construct a hut.

Things get really intereating if the fisherman abstains from eating his whole catch. He can then spend a few days "investing his savings" in building a better fishing rod or a net. This will allow him to more easily catch more fish in the future, allowing him to hire other crew members to build more huts, tools, etc.

After a few generations, the crew members and their descendents may have built up so much useful equipment by saving and investing, that some of them can spend their time meticulously recording how many seashells worth of fish and berries are consumed/invested in order to calculate the island's GDP.

The point is that "GDP" is not the same as "the economy". GDP is a statistical estimate of the total number of dollars spent on certain goods and services in a given region. It is an *attempt to quantify* if people's standard of living is high/low, increasing/decreasing, but it is by not always 100% accurate.

To understand *how the standard of living is improved in practice* (how "the economy grows") requires one to analyze what decisions people make with their available ressources, how this affects the future production of goods, and how changing circumstances can alter the incentives to engage in certain activities.

With this in mind, you should be able to answer this rephrased version of one of your questions:

"If there is no iron ore on the island, how does this limit the standard of living of the crew? If a hidden vein is suddenly discovered, how will the activities pursued by the crew members change, and what effect would this have on the island's GDP (if someone were to record it)?"


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### Answer by username_4 on 2020-08-25. Score: -3

Science-fiction, at least that of genre type, has been characterised by psychologists as escapist fiction in that it avoids the very real human dilemmas that the very best literature succeeds in facing. (it's worth noting that one of the golden age SF authors, Isaac Asimov faces the dilemma of SF as escapism and the human, represented by the earth in his own fictioneering).

Given that you are modelling an economy where the massive costs of terraforming a planet is a given, I would suggest that what you are modelling is escapist economics. This is very far from the study of the economy of a nation or a civilisation that for example Adam Smith examined in his *Wealth of Nations*.

This kind of escapist economics is actually well-known as perpetual growth. This idea, of perpetual motion, has taken a serious knocking in a sister discipline - physics - where now, even to raise this question is considered to be completely misconceived and demonstrating a hopeless lack of understanding in the fundamentals of physics. You would be very quickly labelled a crackpot, if not worse.

Economics is not something that we can escape as has been recently realised by the IMF. After accounting for the so-called free lunch given to us by the environment, that is our own planet, our home. And then factoring in all the attendant costs
of cleaning up pollutions and mitigating the effects of climate change they have, in their most recent report, pointed out that the global economy is heading for a crash that will make all past crashes look like a storm in a tea-cup.

> Theoretical economy calculation for a closed country

There isn't one, ie closed country, in our globalised economy which climate change only underlines.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: In the question I wrote that everything is already good on another planet, air, climate, etc., meaning terraforming is already done. The planet is just an example. Going to  the uninhabited island also works.  

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