 Really? Yeah. As a matter of fact, I've got a call in to Richard. I think he's back from Europe, or he might be taking off again. I'm not sure. But he is intriguingly an interesting... He's just a very interesting person to listen to, and I'm beginning to buy into an awful lot of what he says. Yes, he talked me into going back to Wyoming to the CODI conference a couple years ago, and I gave a paper on the faith on Mars, wondering why my other geologic colleagues weren't saying, hey, this thing doesn't look natural. Uh-huh. And I...