 But the problem, though, is that in the process, they've lost the entire society. And you hear interesting stories of North Korean defectors fleeing to the South. And then once they hit the South, they say, I never expected to see the ennui and the loneliness that we have here. And one of the things they appreciated with North Korea was because it's such a poor society, there's still more of those things. While South Korea is a society...