 He was very effective in some of those, used some examples of people in the audience that were beneficiaries of some of his agenda and how he wanted to move the country forward. And so if that version comes out, can kind of go against the caricature that exists of him and some of his performances from past debates, that could be very attractive to modern independent voters that he needs to win over. He has the base consolidated and locked up. He has to broaden his appeal, and the temperament in how he approaches the debate is a