 I don't know what all that means. All I know is that it's probably like a different way of thinking about things. If you look at a lot of these traditional car companies, they're still building their EVs the way that they built their gas-powered cars. And if you look at the pure EV companies like a Rivian or a Tesla, they are building their EVs from the ground up as an electric vehicle. So I think Volkswagen is trying to capture a little bit of that magic for them.