 And he was very subtle about that and effective. So they were thinking, I can alleviate my guilt or my supposed racism by putting my trust in this vessel. And he is going to be an emissary of ecumenicalism and healing. And I feel so good about myself. And that's why I think they sounded like that. He, on the other hand, was very manipulative. He thought, I have nothing but contempt for these suburban white people who