 Gordon Chang, at Gordon G. Chang, my colleague and co-host and friend. And we're very pleased to welcome the president of the Committee for Freedom and Hong Kong Foundation, Mark Clifford, author of a new book, forthcoming, I look forward to it, Jimmy Lai, The Troublemaker, How Jimmy Lai Became a Billionaire, Hong Kong's Greatest Dissident and China's Fiercest Critic. Mark, a very good evening to you. Thank you for this. I begin our conversation about the...