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this was obviously a "last straw" type thing, not a single incident like the title may suggest
It doesn’t take much digging to see that this “farm” has all the signs of being run by Chinese organized crime. No one wants to do anything about it because the coercion isn’t obvious, but they could basically make one of their workers disappear and no one would even know to look. >

Close to where I live 4 workers, all Chinese Nationals, were gunned down at a marijuana grow  by another Chinese National with the motive proclaimed as suspicion of theft. I hear nobody talking about it but it’s definitely a slave-type operation. Owned by Chinese companies employing only Chinese Nationals and Chinese interests are snapping up land as quick as they can. Meanwhile my conservative neighbors complain about Brandon when far-right government here doesn’t seem to be doing anything to stop it. >

Let's not forget about the Chinese jails popping up in America and in Canada... >

Jails now? I've heard of Chinese police stations, but not jails >

Sorry. That's what I meant. >

Although if there are Chinese police stations there has to be a jail inside right? >

Not jails, more like parole and they monitor there targets for any parole violation. >

Isn’t it illegal to charge employees for company property being damaged? >

It's also illegal to pay only $9/hr in CA >

It's only illegal if the authorities find out. >

Or if you’re disabled! >

Or incarcerated >

Or illegal...wait >

If you're illegal, then nothing is illegal! >

Fuck the shooter and all but the more I read about the case they more it seems like this farm was an absolute nightmare. It's high time the authorities take a hard look at some of the labor practices in the agricultural industry. And yes, I'm fully aware that having more humane conditions on farms would result in a higher cost of foodstuffs. I'm willing to pay more to eat if that's what it takes. >

I’m 2022 Oregon passed a bill forcing overtime pay for ag workers. Federally, ag workers don’t have to be paid overtime. >

Hi 2022, I'm Wayne. >

Dad, you forgot to pick up pickles while you were at the store. Mom says to get off the computer and go get her pickles! >

At least your dad is coming back >

Actually, he's not. :( Both my parents are dead. But I like to live vicariously online through dad jokes anyway. ;) >

Damn, I’m sorry. Random comments about losing your parents bring it back that I lost both in-laws to COVID. >

Don't sweat it. For one thing, Reefay had no way of knowing, and for another, my dad had a good sense of humor, so he would have appreciated my using his likeness as a platform for dad jokes (or as in this case, recognizing one when it occurs naturally in the wild). I lost him about a decade ago. My mom I lost this last thanksgiving, so it's still pretty raw. We all deal with grief differently, but since both my parents thrived on humor (and sardonic quips) it feels like I'm honoring their memory by cracking jokes whenever I can. :) Cheers to you. I hope you guys are recovering okay after the loss of your in-laws. All you can do is be there for those of you remaining. My brother and I have never been closer than we are now. >

Keep people poor and angry and they lash out at those around them. 
Poverty is a huge problem. >

Problem is that Poverty is required by capitalism. There has to be discontent losers to keep the working last scared they may end up there and working for the system. >

Yes, the system that effectively created the middle class and lifted billions of people out of poverty to a standard unimaginable to even the wealthiest people alive for the vast majority of human history is responsible for poverty. >

Found the capitalist.
But in all seriousness, poverty is still an issue worldwide. Let's not pretend that it's gone from Canada and the US. Capitalism can be very toxic and exploitative. >

Poverty is still an issue, there's no doubt about that. There is still work to be done. However, the poor people in the West today are still wealthier than almost everyone to ever live, and many people alive today. The net worth to be in the top 50% globally isn't even $5,000. 
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We can acknowledge that capitalism hasn't solved everything and even has some serious faults while also acknowledging that it is by far the best system implemented to date by virtually every metric of human flourishing. >

The top part is hard to argue against.
The bottom part is rather hard to argue because there are countries presently that are not capitalist, yet are doing pretty good. The Nordic countries for example have pretty "radical" ideas at times, which work out pretty well. For example, Finland has a pretty good reputation so far for turning prison into ACTUAL rehab. Criminals serve their time, get the training that they need to restart their life. In the west, a criminal record punishes the criminal even more. >

The Nordic Model is very much still capitalistic. Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, and Norway are #9, #10, #11, #13, and #14 on the Index of Economic Freedom, respectively. For comparison, the US is #25.
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A country's placement on that index is basically a ranking of how pleasant of a place it is to live, Singapore being the odd one out (assuming you think that democracy is inherently valuable).
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And that index is made by the Heritage Foundation mind you, so they have zero incentive to paint anything socialist or quasi-socialist in a positive light or the US in a negative light. >

This was about a helluva lot more than a $100 repair bill. >

Not justified at all but what company makes you pay for their equipment that is probably already covered by insurance? That’s fucked up. >

If it was a $100 repair I doubt insurance would be involved, deductible is usually higher and filing a claim can cause rates to go up. >

Never know what people are going through. Be safe. >

Something tells me the shooter is not the only person going to jail. >

In a just society, true, but is the American society that just? >

Mad Dog Tannen shot Emmet Brown over a matter of eighty dollars. >

hey man, it was an $80 horse.
If that loco Doc had shoed him right, Tannen would have never had to shoot him.
Ok, he likely would have gotten around to shooting the horse eventually anyway. >

No, he figured it was $75 for the horse he shot and $5 for the bottle of red eye whiskey that broke. >

Prison is a horrible experience dude. The cell is not warm, and you don’t get 3 full meals every day. I’m sure it can be viewed as a better alternative than living on the streets in some areas/seasons, but it’s a really abusive and tormenting place. Nobody’s going to start shooting people in hopes of a better life behind bars… >

This is why you save up for a ticket to Scandinavia first. >

Doesn’t matter who broke it; the business had to pay for it.
Sucks that he went off the deep end over something so trivial. But yeah the company is violating state labor laws. >

yeah can't say i'm surprised it's management's fault for driving him crazy >

Shooting up people that aren't the source  of the problem.  Fuck that guy . >

What I'm trying to tell you >

Were any of those shot the ones treating him bad? >

There's a Asiatown in my city and I've definitely seen things I wasn't suppose to see; like 10-12 people of Asian descent coming out of a shotgun house that has no visibility from the street going from the house, 3 feet in to a van, then taking off. They looked more miserable than I did standing out in 40 degree weather with the rain and wind. >

Universal basic income pays potential shooters to be less desperate. >

The shooter is a trafficked Chinese national. We wouldn’t receive any UBI. >

A large part of US agricultural production, especially in sectors that can't use heavy machinery, like mushrooms, apples, berries, etc is propped up by trafficked foreign nationals, underpaid, working and living in horrible conditions. They are basically slaves to the farm owners as what little money they make is spent on the rent, and utility the farm charges. Many people just turn a blind eye to it, because it's the only reason much of the food we enjoy is so cheap. >

I guess he had enough $ to buy the gun tho? >

This is the US, guns are cheaper then rent for a shack. >

This is the core problem with all the guns...they're impulse multipliers. You have a bad week and a bad conversation, and a moment that would have been clenched fists and kicking the wall turns into mass murder. >

The level of stupidity and groupthink on Reddit never ceases to amaze me. Top comments: “Isn’t it illegal to charge for damaged company property?” “It’s because he was poor and mistreated”. How is that shit relevant? Seriously. Imagine your relative was gunned down by this guy. And then you came across this thread. So many redditors pass facts through a biased filter to fit a narrative and it is nauseating. >

Too many fucking guns in this country >

People will talk until they're blue in the face about how much of this is about society's oppression and mental health, but people have always been oppressed by society and people have always been mentally ill.  But people haven't always had free and easy access to guns.
Seems like the obvious factor in all these stories might be guns. >


But people haven't always had free and easy access to guns.

Lmao, what? You could mail order guns direct to your house until the late 60s. >

So odd to have a mass shooting with a clear reason. >

And this is what happens when guns are so easily obtainable & ubiquitous... even minor arguments get settled with a gun. >

I think it more has to do with the fact that he was an immigrant and he didn't have an available avenue to vent his complaints. This is partly the problem, you can ban guns all you want but unless you find a solution to the actually problems that leads to shootings nothing is going to change. You can have all the gun laws you want but America will tell you, "this harbour of tea is going nowhere" >

Why can't we work on both, the gun issue and the dispute resolution issue? The solutions are not mutually exclusive. >

You are right about that. I was attempting to match the tone, as I perceived it, of the original comment. Got any ideas? >

Good thing the shooter had easy access to weapons of mass destruction. /s >

Lmao, semi auto 9mm "weapon of mass destruction" >

So what did all the guy's victims have anything to do with that bill?  Sounds like he was just taking his anger out on the wrong people.  Screw them and their families for something that they had nothing to do with, whose lives are permanently ruined I guess. >

The article suggested they also previously bullied the man. At least that’s what I got from actually reading it. >

Bring on the Artificial  Intelligence  that  litigates for the little guy. >

That’s coming. No, I’m not kidding. AI is going to dominate torts, and then spread even into criminal law. 
Source: ex wife is a senior partner at a large Silicon Valley IP firm, and they and their peers are already investing in AI. Plus, she’s just a gawddamned genius and well-connected, and knows what’s coming down the pike. I work in IP myself, and most of my friends are lawyers;  AI apps for The Little Guy are coming >

Is human trafficking really non-violent though? >

Is killing people non-violent? Obviously not. It’s a violent reaction to violence. >

It takes a lot of neuron misfires to go from being angry about something petty to firmly believe that hurting/killing others is a valid solution. >

thats a strawman, there's no evidence that he 'firmly believe that hurting/killing others is a valid solution'. it is much more reasonable to think it was an emotional reaction than a logical plan. >

saying “it is much more reasonable” isn’t evidence either 🤷‍♂️