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I wish my country (England/UK) would treat (and be treated by) it's neighbours like France with the same love and respect as the Finn's and Swede's, you guys are inspirational!
Hint: July is after the elections in Turkey.
A good guess to think things might change by July.
I believe Finland already suggested last week to let the talks pause for a while. >

I'm a Finn and I think this is definitely a wise choice. Personally I have no faith in Erdogan saying something else today or tomorrow anyway so it's better to just wait for his tantrum to end and join with our neighbors to the west. >

Is there any benefit for anyone from Finland not joining first?
Attacking Sweden without going through Finland isn't impossible, but it's a lot harder than the other way around. I could see why Finland may want Sweden to wait, but no reason why Sweden wouldn't tell Finland to go first. >

The real beneficiary is Finno-Swedish relations, as well as NATO as a whole. Going ahead on your own, as well as this whole game of division played by Erdogan, is antithetical to a defensive pact. >

I totally understand why Finland wouldn't say "sorry Sweden, I'm joining".
What I don't understand is why Sweden doesn't say "you go ahead, it's better for us both". >

Sweden obviously has no say over what Finland, a sovereign country decides to do. However I think most of us Swedes would be understanding if Finland decided to join on their own. They are in a more exposed position than Sweden geographically, and it would increase safety for Sweden as well by nearly surrounding us with NATO countries. However most are probably grateful that Finland will join together with Sweden when/if the time comes, as was always the plan.
We have a saying in Sweden going back to the WW2 days, which translates to "The Finnish cause is ours". Erdogan is trying to cause a divide among the Nordic countries to strengthen his bargaining power, but he's underestimating how close the countries are and how much we view each other as brothers and sisters (yes, even you Danes). Besides, even if Finland tried to join NATO on their own, it's very likely Erdogan would come up with some other nonsense reason for why they can't join since the core issue isn't really about Finland and Sweden in the first place. >

Are you sure about the Danes? It’s okay, this is a safe space. >

Only us the Danes are allowed to pick on Sweden, if anyone els picks on Sweden then they must be prepared for some "Bøllebank" >

Sweden is the soft squishy center of Nordics we all must protect. >

Thank you my Finnish brothers and sisters. I love the Nordic solidarity being shown here. >

We have underlined to all our future NATO partners, including Hungary and Turkey, that Finnish and Swedish security go together," he said.
A spokesperson for Sweden's foreign ministry declined to comment.
Of NATO's 30 members, only Turkey and Hungary are yet to ratify the Nordic countries' membership applications.
Presidential and parliamentary elections will be held in Turkey in May and many analysts believe that it will be hard to make progress before that.
But Haavisto said he still hoped Finland and Sweden would become NATO members in the next few months.
"I still see the NATO summit in Vilnius in July as an important milestone when I hope that both counties will be accepted as NATO members at the latest," Haavisto said.
Finland and Sweden had been hoping for a rapid accession process and were taken by surprise by Turkey's objections.
Turkey wants Sweden, in particular, to take a clearer stance against what it sees as terrorists, mainly Kurdish militants and a group it blames for a 2016 coup attempt in Turkey.
Sweden has said it takes Turkey's security concerns seriously and is implementing the three-way agreement signed in June last year, but Ankara says it is not doing enough.
That has led to speculation Finland - which shares a 1,300-km (810-mile) border with Russia - could proceed without Sweden.
But Haavisto said security assurances from the United States, Britain and other NATO members meant that Finland could be patient.
"We appreciate those security assurances very much even if we understand that it is not the same as the NATO Article 5, but it is very important for us," he said.
Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, NATO's founding document, commits all members to mutual defence, stating that an attack against one is an attack against all. >

Sweeden said theybtake turkish securitt of need serious and did nothing.
Actually few days after there was pkk meeting to provoke turkey by hanging ersogan dolls and show it deat etc.
Sweeden still is a safehouse to terrorism operations and turkey doesnt to be brother in arms while sweeds supporting terrorism.
You must make empaty that terrorism in turkey caused more than 40k death, bombings and so on. Its not a topic that turkiye can show tolerance, a big no. >

Kudos to Finland for sticking with Sweden on the NATO bid. Turkey tried to split them and NATO but failed to do so >

Sveriges sak är vår! >

Erdogan discovers that there's such a thing as integrity.
He's probably very puzzled by this. Not a thing he often encounters in daily life. >

No dude, turks simply doesnt want sweedistan as safeheaven to terrorism to be a part of nato. Thats why turks are okay with finland but not sweeden.
There is other reason, so simple. >

Lol, you mean "people who criticize Erdogan" as terrorists. They sent over real terrorists, just not the journalists that did the heinous crime of criticizing dear leader. >

No dude, every terrorist is "peaceful activist" for you. 
Here we are in turkey, lost 40k lifes in the last 40k death. I dont think they were peacefull activists.. >

I was going to say the whole thing was starting to seem like he just wanted to drive division between Sweden and Finland >

He will never succeed in driving any kind of division between us. Finland and Sweden have had a special bond for a very long time. We will stand united! >

It's like a wholesome Stockholm syndrome kind of thing on a national scale hundreds of years in the making. >

That's just how countries work in general, especially in Europe. Like, we're talking about a continent that became so proficient in waging war against each other that they managed to colonize pretty much the entirety of the rest of the world while still constantly fighting each other, but nowadays (most of) Europe is pretty much the standard for international peace where former arch enemies have gone full buddy-buddy. >

Sweden and Finland have never been enemies. You're thinking of Sweden and Denmark >

I know, I was just making an example of how current relations between countries often makes no sense if you look at history (without doing a deep-dive obviously). >

Imagine the pressure that Erdogan is going to get from the rest of NATO until July. He'll get zero economic support, zero military sales and or/equipment transfers and basically be put in the diplomatic freezer. All of this doesn't help his party get prepared for the May elections.
And they'll be really cozy to his neighbours like Greece getting F35s and other stuff.
I don't think he really knows the pile of shit he just stepped into. >

Yeah he's chosen the wrong side.  He fucked up big time. >

These are the type of countries you probably want to involve in NATO. Sticking together trough this shitshow till the very end. >

Just goes to show that Finland (and Sweden) are NATO material. Just because Turkey offers to let Finland ascend, at the cost of a defacto veto for Sweden, Finland isn’t interested in helping itself at the cost of its neighbour. Good on ya, Finland. >

Finland don’t play that shit. Finland has more balls than people give them credit for. Good for them. >

I'm the first to poke fun at Finns but it's true, they're not to be messed with. >

Its nice to see two countries being so close, hope to see them in nato in july! >

Has Hungry given the green light and we’re only waiting on Turkey or all we still waiting for the two pricks in both offices to fold on the NATO bid? >

both pricks >

*sadOrbanNoises*
waiting for his turn to blackmail >

It wouldn't matter anyway if only Finland got in. Sweden would be protected by NATO borders all around. Fuck Erdoğan though. >

As a Finn, I wouldn't want to go to Nato without Sweden. They are our brothers and sisters.