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There are whole countries where motorcycles are the primary mode of transportation and outnumber cars… you get used to it. You don’t have to drive like an idiot or too fast. It’s a phenomenal way to get up and down rough terrain in mountainous areas. >

Pretty much what I was gonna say. Versatility, especially in a congested urban environment like mine, is a godsend. Really is a case of “the bad apples spoil the bunch” because there are millions and millions of people who drive their bike safely (without lane filtering) and don’t have loud pipes. >

lane filtering is unsafe? >

No it’s actually safer in most cases if done correctly. >

I've known two people killed in motorcycle accidents and one who suffered irreparable brain damage.  None of them were at fault in these accident, just other drivers not paying attention. >

Other drivers is one of the biggest reasons I wouldn't get a motorcycle (the other being Michigan weather).
My car was totaled last year when I got rear-ended while waiting for a traffic light to change.  I had been stopped for a bit so it wasn't like I slammed on my brakes and the guy behind me couldn't stop in time.  He was just looking at his phone or something instead of looking at the road.
Luckily, I was only sore for a couple days with no major injuries.  If I had been on a motorcycle, I'm pretty sure I'd have at least broken something if not worse. >

If your car was totaled, you would have been too.
From what I understand, most motorcycle fatalities are from exactly what you describe. Not entirely sure tho. >

There would have been a pretty good chance of being squished between two vehicles.  My car did get pushed into the car in front of me.
The repair estimate was over $6k so they considered it totaled and paid out about $8.5k. >

That's why you're taught not to pull up directly behind a car when riding a motorcycle.  You pull off to the side so that you can possibly scoot by the car if needed, or if you do get hit from behind it will push you past the car in front of you and not into it. >

I’ve seen many, many more idiotic car drivers than motorcycle riders. >

Exactly.. That’s why they’re dangerous. And that’s why people that drive them are idiots. Being a responsible motorcycle driver doesn’t change your safety. Some.. But not much. >

They're not dangerous, people not caring about other's safety are the real danger. I don't care about motorcycles but there are good reasons for a lot of people owning them, specially in certain cities. They're cheaper, the insurance is also cheaper, typically they're cheaper to fix, the overall gas consumption is less than a car, you can easily maneuver and park in tight spots. Where I'm from, there's a lot of older people that end up buying "low end" motorcycles cause it makes their lives easier. We shouldn't blame or call someone an idiot for owning a vehicle that's been around for ages now. >

I respectfully disagree. They are dangerous. Accidents can happen to anyone, even the best drivers and even with no other vehicles involved.
And if something does happen, there is nothing to protect you or stop you from becoming a human catapult >

Sounds like you're talking about one specific group of people, which is exacerbated by the fact that only hard-core people drive motorcycles due to their inherent danger caused by cars. >

I have never seen a person on a motorcycle text while driving, which is nice. >

I have. Got stuck behind a guy on a motorcycle who kept wavering throughout the lane while he one-fingered texted on his phone. 
Kept freaking me out every time he slammed the breaks. I could not get out from behind him faster. >

That man just wanted to die. >

Probably. I just wanted to go home. >

Around where I live, there are plenty of "Watch for Motorcycles!" signage and public service announcements.
My father still rides quite a bit in his retirement years, mostly on back country roads.
With that said, my personal experiences with motorcycle users has not been a positive one. I've encountered many reckless drivers (as well as many perfectly behaved ones). I once had a biker punch through a full line of cars- mine included stopped at a highway exit. I think they got within 6 inches of my mirrors.
A staple of my teenage years was whole motorcycle groups going through small towns, just overawing everything with sound.
Overall?
I think they have their place. They can be fun. I've just been less than impressed with who I've run across driving them over the years, and where exactly they are driving them around. >

Driving a motorcycle is absolutely more dangerous than driving a car. >

They are also more fun than driving a car >

It's just like going to work but now you get the excitement of a measurable increase in risk that you might die..... >

You cant win if you never dare in life. >

Dare to be a road crayon :) >

Meh, still a cooler death than anything you'd get in a car. >

I'm not a fan but it's hard to say there's "nothing good about them" when one considers the fuel economy, simplicity, and low ownership costs that make them the main mode of transportation in many, many parts of the world. >

Disagree with #2  
It is a squeaky wheel gets the grease thing, your average rider is reasonable, but the ones who do stupid stuff stick out way more in your mind.   
As for the nothing being good about them. 50+ miles per gallon is a pretty good plus. While I no longer ride because of #1 I will say that there are very few things that can compare to having a nice long mostly empty stretch of highway on a motorcycle. >

There’s nothing good about them? What about fuel efficiency. >

Its not the miles per gallon. Its the smiles per gallon >

My insurance agent was telling me that motorcycle insurance is way cheaper that car insurance.  I was a little shocked so I asked why.  His response, " caskets are cheaper than healthcare." >

You don't kill other people when you crash your motorcycle. You do in a car. >

I remember a lady getting killed because of a motercyclist driving too fast, went through a red light and t boned another car, and flew onto the sidewalk and pretty much headbutted a woman while flying. Freak accident but dont think anyone is safe while you do your hoodrat shit. >

All over the world, motorcycles make transportation function. They’re far better for congestion, use far less fuel, and take up less space when stored. 
The problem is that they became associated with criminals and other unsavory elements in America and this basic commuter riding never developed to the same degree. Bikes here are overpowered and sold for their badass image, rather than their practicality. The danger of motorcycles is largely due to cars that are bad at sharing roads rather than the bikes themselves. 
Lots of idiots ride idiotically. That’s true but that’s an issue with the people, not the machines. Also, motorists are rarely endangered by motorcyclists so even with those idiots, motorcycles are less dangerous to the genera public. >

It seems that you have more of an issue with people as it pertains to the use of motorcycles rather than the motorcycles themselves. 
Is it the bike itself that causes death or injury? I mean, it’s possible there’s a mechanical error. Usually the issue is either the person operating the motorcycle or another person operating another vehicle. 
Idiot drivers = people. Although I have heard some animals can drive.
Hard to see when they weave out of traffic? Sounds like an issue with the person driving. If they’re driving where and how they’re supposed to be as are you, shouldn’t be too much of an issue. 
Loudness, I will give you a little credit on that one. But if you’re concerned about visibility, this will at least help you hear them as they zoom about. 
Number five, yeah that’s fricken irritating.. you got me there. >

Loud bikes save lives! >

That’s a myth, it always has been. It’s the same type of people who modify their cars to be loud, they don’t care about noise pollution or being disruptive. And as someone who drives a quiet EV and has normal hearing, you can’t hear them until they’re right on your side, that’s just basic physics. >

Motorcycles are the best.
Cost effective (last longer for the money spent than cars/SUVs/trucks)
50 miles to the gallon
Insurance is $200 per YEAR
Can repair myself
Can park is small spaces
Hella fun >

if you consider that in colder climates, you’d only get to use them for like 4-5 months, the efficiency becomes questionable >

I live in Northern Minnesota, so that's already part of my assessment >

I hope you have a dualie. The potholes are crazy. >

I do have to be careful on strange roads 😅 >

In my early 20s I had a total of two, ever since I saw a ninja in a movie I wanted one.  Anyway I had a small group that had em as well.  They all wiped out, some left with road rashes, others with pins and what not in their legs.  I always respected mine, and drove defensively for the most part.  But there is nothing better than waking up on a perfect 75 degree day and riding a motorcycle, haven't had one in years but if you can escape without crashing in the end it really is a joy, and much cheaper than a car in the summer. >

Yeah cars never kill anybody, are driving by idiots, freak out when driving, have shitty mufflers or idiots playing music too loud or pull in and out of spots without checking. >

India and China would like to disagree. >

Or pretty much anywhere outside North America >

If more people ride motorcycles cities would have way more parking >

For every stupid motorcycle rider there are 5 more stupid car drivers >

Like the one who pulled out in front of me.
Fuck you and your shitty ass car, grandma!
(It truly was a sad car, it was a REALLY beat up late 90’s Toyota Camry in a goldish silver color.)
Edit: I was on my bike at the time as well. >

If you look at the deaths per mile statistc, which is way more relevant, motorcycles are unfortunately way more dangerous than cars. >

Anybody ever notice bicycles is pronounced bi-sickle (short i) but motorcycles is pronounced motor-cy (long i)-kles. >

Huh… anyone have a reason for this? >

Yea they are dangerous but every vehicle you operate is dangerous. I’ve noticed more people speed in their cars than on motorcycles and weave in and out of traffic. Cars are driven by idiots too. They may be hard to see but their pipes are loud so you can hear them. It’s safer to have loud pipes. >

I gladly prefer someone driving fast in a motorcycle that they can maneuver properly out of someone's way, than an idiot driving an old SUV. I can't even count the amount of times I've seen a-holes driving old ass SUVs, with breaks that barely function, failing miserably at overtaking someone who's simply driving at legal speeds.  Worst is when they're trying to get into the road, they see you approaching really close and kick their gas pedal like it's a Formula1 race, just for them to stay put in the middle of the street because their car can't even accelerate properly. >

Sincerely,
A guy that has never had one. >

Dangerous? Yes, more than a car, less than you think. It keeps you alive and alert.
Loud? That's just douchebags that put loud pipes on their bikes. Mine is very quiet.
Parking spots are your issue, not mine. I try to park on the curb, last thing I want it someone running into my bike. 
Hard to see? Yeah, goes hand in hand with the "usually ridden by idiots". Bikers have a variety of categories, from the sport bike guys looking for a cheap, fast adrenaline rush, to middle-aged dads cosplaying as badasses on their Harleys, to your local BMW riding, Starbucks sipping uncle who just wants to ride. 
I guess you're American, and I get you. Bikes are seen as toys there, but in many parts of the world (be it in Europe, Asia, Africa or Latin America), they're an efficient way to get around and there's a whole culture around them, not reserved for niche audiences but to everyone - teens, adults, moms, grandpas, whole families. >

A lot of motorcycle riders feel the same about people who drive cars. My dad is a responsible rider and has had soooo many close calls because of people in cars not paying close enough attention. I do agree that there are tons of idiots riding but it can go both ways. >

Cars are the absolute worst:
1. Dangerous (how many deaths and injuries happen EVERY day!!?!?)
2. Usually driven by idiots looking at their cell phones, eating food, don't understand basic traffic rules. 
3. Don't look for anyone around them, regardless of size.
4. Too obnoxious: stereos, rolling coal, inflammatory bumper stickers, lane hogs. 
5. Often can't park within the lines at a lot. >

What is "rolling coal"?
And I think each of these points is only a small minority of drivers >

And OP listed what I--a motorcyclist--consider to be a small minority of drivers.  
However, the sheer number of people I see looking at their cell is astronomical. >

Number 3 is proof you're not the driver you think you are. NOTHING should be able to surprise you while driving. Pay more attention or sell your car. >

Depends, I've gotten surprised once by someone riding a motorcycle pretty fast on my right side, when the lights just turned green. Since it's a city road, you normally overtake on the left (cars can't literally pass you anywhere else but your left side), so I wasn't expecting someone pulling out of nowhere, in such a tight spot that is between my car and the sidewalk. >

While I agree motorbikes CAN sneak up on you, it’s mostly idiot drivers that do things like you mentioned and they would be just as bad if a driver in a car. 
Bad drivers always stick out, and motorbikes stick out more as you may not remember a lot that drive normally, or they sit 3/4 cars behind you and you don’t spot them as they aren’t driving thorough traffic like a maniac. 
I’m in the UK so it’s different here, but I live in a place that has a lot of motorbike traffic due to the country roads, and 95% of them drive safe, and are respectful of cars and traffic laws. 
The 5% that are asshats stick out, and don’t always last very long. 
Everyone things they are the best driver in the road, both car and motorbike users, and it’s a unhealthy mentality. 
Also, driving a motorbike made me a better driver. When I drive my car I’m a lot more aware of things around me since on a motorbike you have to be. >

Ho I have no issues with people driving motorcycles, just one or two times. If I'm driving I can always see the bike trying to overtake and I'll gladly move a bit to the side so they can do it easily. 90% of bikers I've seen on the road never give me any trouble and in fact signal more than any other idiot acting like they own the road. Only issues I've had, and were really minimal, it's with UberEATS drivers that will bullshit their way out of traffic. >

Oh I totally understand. 
It’s the same as the “BMW drivers are terrible” (if you have that in America like us Brits do). It’s because once someone says it you get confirmed bias on it (you remember the Asshole BMW drivers and tend to forget the rest) and then it’s set, all BMW drivers are terrible. 
It also mostly starts as a joke, like “Oh that BMW is right up my ass (on my bumper)”, “Oh he didn’t signal, typical BMW am I right?”- same thing happens with motorbikes, and it probably doesn’t help that in media a motorbike is a sign of a rebel and not the sign of a dad just going to his 9-5 office job. >

I'm from Portugal, we also have the "All BMW drivers are terrible" stereotype here. Altho it's mostly because they park literally everywhere except where you're supposed to. >

Oh that’s awesome! I figured due to the time-zone and what time it is currently it was more likely you were American, but I heard Portugal is lovely! I want to visit one day. >

Haha that's because my sleep schedule is turned upsidedown, but thank you! It's indeed a beautiful country to visit, altho currently we are facing some outrageous living expenses. Hope you can visit it someday! I've never went to the UK myself, but it has been on my bucket list for quite a few years now, unfortunately never got the chance. >


Argument is stupid, if my friend died in a car crash would I call cars the worst? No.

"Usually" Generalization. You can say that about cars and it will make perfect sense.


& 4. Don't you notice them if they're so loud? Also a generalization. >

No, your rebuttal to #1 is what's stupid. You're clearly speaking as someone who has never had to respond to motorcycle accidents where what would have been a basic fender bender in a vehicle turns into pulling body parts out of other cars or scraping up pieces of flesh off the highway. There's no small wrecks on a motorcycle beyond laying it down, and even then, you're running a cheese grater across your entire body. Your friends odds of surviving an accident are much higher in a car than on a motorcycle. >


Your friends odds of surviving an accident are much higher in a car than on a motorcycle

And there odds of surviving would be much higher if they took the bus instead of driving a car. Literally everyone makes compromises in safety for the sake of either convenience or enjoyment. >

The main reason people drive them it’s because they’re way cheaper then cars >

I think this depends on where you live. Where I live in suburban northern USA, motorcycles are almost always second vehicles owned by someone who already has a car. They usually only driven for enjoyment on days with nice weather, not as a primary form of transportation. >

USA is the exemption, it is the most car centric country in the world, not a criticism just a fact, I am from Brazil, and motorcycles are the primary way of locomotion for people of less money available, it’s also the vehicle used by delivery people.
My guess is that the number of motorcycles is the same as cars. >

TLDR- I’m a sissy. >

Same amount of transportation, less then half the gas. There’s your good. >

I see the appeal of them, but after working in an ER and seeing the side effects of stupidity from both the motorcyclist and other drivers, I'll stick with Jeep wranglers. >


depends on how you ride and the drivers around you. Drivers could be better tbh. 
not my experience. Never heard of a biker that killed a pedestrian or a car driver. Probably happens but is so rare where I am (UK)
Get yourself on a hazard perception test - you can train yourself to recognise them easier with it. Also, eyesight can degenerate, if you struggle it might be an issue with sight. In lots of places (like here in the UK) the "weave" you mention is called filtering and is legal. Its why people buy motorbikes as well as the fact its 1/5th the price to travel per mile.
Depends on the bike. Some of the older bikers I've known will say "loud pipes save lives" for this reason.
This just makes you look like a bad driver if you're blindly swinging into parking spaces without checking them to be clear first. I would suggest 3. to you again - get refreshed on driving >

“Loud pipes save lives” if your vehicle is required to be so obnoxiously loud it wakes up an entire street at night lest you die, it’s a poor and selfish means of transport. >

You know, all of that can change when drivers stop, look and wait for motorcyclists to pass the junction. 🤷‍♂️ >

People deserve to get woken up at 3AM by old mate riding the Harley cause motorcyclists should get preference at intersections? Doing a great job proving how unselfish it is 😆 >

You're making a strawman right there. >

My only complaint has consistently been directed at the attempted justification of excessively loud exhausts. >

As someone whose husband had a motorcycle crash - other motorists are usually the problem. Don't get me wrong, there are the chaotic weavers, speeder, future organ donors. But more often, there are good men and women wearing the right equipment, using their turn signals, revving those loud engines so CARS don't run them over.
In our situation, teenaged idiots who didn't know you actually needed lug nuts to keep a tire on. And someone driving without good brakes.
Did I mention they're both uninsured?
Cops and medics told him if he would have been in his car, he would have been killed. Since he was on a bike, he jumped off before an idiot could murder him. 
Idiots ruin good lives and things. >

These all sound like you problems, my guy. Nothing on this list says something about motorcycles. You don't like agresive/careless drivers. Boo-hoo nobody does! >

Then don't ride one. >

Counter point...cars are the absolute worst and everyone should drive motorcycles until the weather stops it from being safe. >

That's not very realistic. People have children that need to be driven around. Not to mention needing to carry groceries and a myriad of other things >

You can absolutely carry your groceries on a motorcycle >

A motorcycle can't carry gallons of water and milk along with tons of other groceries. Not realistically. >

Side cases and top boxes exist. It’s not that hard. People do it all over the world. >

So you don't like motorcycles, that's ok, don't ride one. For others there are reasons to like them. >

average cager opinion >

Cars. Usually driven by idiots. >

Learn to drive >

terrible opinion tbh >

100% disagree. Try one and you’ll change your mind >

There is lots of fun stuff that you can do with a motorcycle other than using it in traffic, arguably the most fun parts are done outside of traffic. >

I see so little dangerous driving from cyclists of any kind... What I have noticed is the saturation of our roads with passenger vehicles that are missing a decent amount of basic safety features that would make sharing the road with personal/single user small vehicles dangerous as a combo on the road (blindspots and headlight angles, lack of mudflaps on newer vehicles, spray from wiper fluid and removal of ashtrays) are some huge offenders that Directly effects the safety of both motorcyclists and other vehicles that are smaller (convertibles) and lower to the ground keeping all alternatives Out of the Market for SAFETY REASONS provided as Dangers from the Corporations aiming to stay in control of available technology that uses a motor of Some type (not many of those parent corporations around to begin with present day) Raytheon was a local plant/employer in my city for Decades along with the shipyard and military bases before they all closed so Tons of innovation was created here and enjoyed by the local Vocational Education Division of our Public Highschool that was open to some extent to the community in general for use and to bring projects in for the kids to work on (my dad brought All our family cars to their auto shop for the discount recieved compared to the local mechanics and he went there himself so they'd also let him do his own work with the equipment after hours and weekends from what I was told.. machining and painting parts. The entire side of his family/siblings went there through the 1970's) they all used to also work on their own hotrods in the family yard using the huge oak and elm trees for homemade pulley systems to lift transmissions/engines in and out for replacement... Until they were cut down >

Motorcycles are more fuel efficient than cars, they take up less space, you don't have a vehicle that seats four to eight people when you only need to use it for yourself. They're also dangerous primarily because cars don't pay attention to them, cars are driven by idiots who drive way too fast, and if you're not paying attention to them being in parking spaces then that's on you. Really it sounds like you're making the case for cars and car drivers being the worst.
And yes, weaving through traffic is dangerous, which is why it's illegal. As is speeding and using the shoulder to pass, but I see car drivers doing that on a daily basis. >

There has to be an overlap between people who don’t care about their safety enough to ride a motorcycle and people who act as if they have nothing to lose and get into altercations easily.
Not that every rider is an ass hole but I feel like every other ass hole has ether a bike or loud car >

I think points 2 and 3 are the reason for point one. >

Motorcycles seem fun but wtf am I gonna do with it in the winter and whenever it's cold or raining? >

Textiles and waterproofs me and my partner ride all year round even in the uk we can't guarantee summer is going to be warm and dry so we have different gear for the seasons >

its your opinion, not saying it's right, but you're entitled to your opinion >

I just hate how loud they are >

Cars are worse. Everyone should be required to drive a motorcycle for 2 years. If you live you can drive a car. >

Too loud lol ..mine is electric ⚡️ >



As long as you drive carefully, respecting traffic rules, the risk is low and manageable.


There are idiots in every kind of vehicle, and let me tell you, the bigger the vehicle, more dangerous for the rest of the road, including pedestrians.


Motrocycles are not hard to see, for other riders at least, they are hard to see for people driving cars and trucks.. they vision is extremely limited in comparisson so its no the motorcycle fault.


Except for those noisy exhaust (wich by the way are forbidden most of the time) ot dumb riders, mortorcycles are not louder than cars or trucks.


Oh Im sorry for needing a fraction of the space to park, making it more efficent and comfortable for everyone else. >

I’m a lawyer and I’ve been involved in several different cases involving motorcycles.  No matter how good a motorcycle driver/rider you are, you just can’t be seen and in most cycle crashes, the cyclist is literally dead right. >

Agree 100% >

Motorcycles are the best because:
Economy much less fuel to transport 1 person around as 99% of cars do
Takes up less space on the road = less congestion 
Can't text or check reddit while riding
Hella fun to ride 
Cheaper to buy own maintain than a traditional vehicle. 
Having a motorcycle only sucks because of people like op who freak out when being passed. Any motorcycle will out accelerate most cars with ease. You never know when Sally is gonna drop her latte in her lap while checking facebook and cause a incident. So I personally like to overtake a car whenever I get to it asap. Then I'm gone and not your problem anymore. 
Cars are dangerous too, if a car driver messes up you have 1300kg of steel flying down the road at 100kph vs 200kg for a bike (average weights) the car has way more energy stored and is able to cause way more damage. Way more to repair and again a bigger use of resources. 
Hop on one you will likely change your mind. >

CHange this to bicycles
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Dangerous (lost one friend and severely injured another)
Usually driven by idiots who go way too fast
Hard to see and they freak you out as they weave through traffic
Too ~~loud~~ quiet 
Can't see them in parking spots until you start turning into them  
And the entire internet would call you names. >

Have you ever lost a friend to a bicycle? 🤔
Bicycles go way too fast? 🤔
Bicycles weave through traffic? 🤔
Too quiet is a problem? 🤔
Bicycles use parking spots? 🤔 >

The cousin of a friend of mine died while riding a mountain trail, so yea
Yes, they have a very tiny silhouette, almost nothing to make them visible at night/stand out and can not be identified since they have no plate all while reaching up to 50km/h / 30mp/h if you are atheltic with a good bike
Yes they do, every single time, more than motorcycles (in germany at least)
Yes it is, paired with the speed, pedestrians or turning cars can and will overlook you easily
Also yes, in what world do you live in? >

Agreed. Specially point #2. >


meh  
not true AT all. The VAST majority of motorcyclists are just normal riders, and ratio of idiot drivers in relation to the vehicle, would statistically be a LOT higher in car drivers than bike riders  
Im not sure why it would be hard for you to see a sizable object on the road thats "usually going too fast". seems like a you issue tbh.  
We actually could make them a lot quieter, but because you guys apparently are blind to us, we have to make sure you at least hear us.  
thats just funnily specific lmao >

Inb4 “yOu CaNt HeAr A lOuD eXhAuSt”
You can if its sitting next to you in traffic, and if you can’t hear it then turn down your music. >

They're loud so that people can hear them before they see them. To prevent accidents and whatnot >

That is not WHY they are loud. >

It's not why they are loud, but it's a good reason for them to be loud. >

They're also a lot of fun >

Stopped reading when you didn’t mention gas mileage is insane. Lost credibility >

All of the things you listed aren't the motorcycles fault they are all the riders fault 
Absolutely more dangerous but if you don't ride like an idiot on public roads and respect other vehicles relatively safe 
Of course they go way to fast like every person with a fast car but there are way more because they don't cost as much as a house 
Yes they are hard to see that's why we always stress brightly colored gear to new people to stand out
Weaving is a choice I personally like to have at least a car length before merging in front of another car because I'm aware they're probably on their phone 
Every bike is sold to be under a certain dB level if it's too loud the owner made it that way and believe it or not it's pretty hard to buy a new exhaust for looks and sound and actually understand how loud it's going to be best you can do is put a dB killer in it and try to keep your volume respectable 
As for parking that's true but there's nowhere else to park and parking close to the curb means you can rest the tire against it so when some idiot decides to sit on your bike when you're eating lunch they don't roll it forward and drop it you want separate spots for bikes so do we they're just so much more convenient >

So what I am hearing here is 'Motorcycles are an slight inconvenience for me, so they suck'. Glad you're not in charge of running things. There are many, many responsible and courteous bikers - my father was one of them (and he died of cancer, not a bike accident). If you're that freaked out and can't see motorcycles that are legally operated and parked, then maybe you shouldn't be driving in the first place. Some are too loud, I'll grant that, but not all of them. Many are quieter than some of the cars you might see, but I don't see you complaining about them. >

Downvoting, not because necessarily popular opinion but because your reasons are shite. >

Motorcycles would be more safe jf there weren't so many pesky cars on the roads >


I've known MANY people who died in car accidents. Does that make cars dangerous?
Disagree. You only noticed the ones going too fast. The majority of people ride normally.
The motorcyclist is going to avoid you. Don't do something unpredictable and there is no problem. If they "freak you out" then you aren't watching your mirrors like you should be.
OEM exhausts aren't too loud. There is a limit on how loud stock exhausts can be. Cars have loud aftermarket exhausts too. So I guess that means cars are too loud.
I'll give you that one. Is that really that big of a deal? Limit your expectations.

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150K miles on bikes in the past 10 years and I haven't had any issues. >

Having been a motorcyclist before (but not currently);
1) true, lol
2) immature generalisation, gtfo
3) pay more attention to the road, and grow a backbone
4) true, unfortunately
5) pay more attention to your surroundings
It's simply a choice between a death machine and a death machine, both of which kill motorcyclists yet one of which practically never kills car drivers... >

Hard agree. >

They're definitely dangerous because there's no protection if you screw up or someone else hits you. However, a silent motorcycle is even more dangerous because people don't notice them. Sort of partially the fault of other drivers because they don't look when they change lanes and don't stay in their lane.
But I see your motorcycle and I raise you the slingshot. It's basically a motorcycle with 3 wheels and less noise, a low profile, light weight, and no safety features because it is marketed as a motorcycle and not a car. And they're always driven by weird douchebags and look pretty awful. Good luck seeing these if you drive a truck or SUV.
Also, there's a category of motorist that is the absolute worst. Irresponsible drivers who don't get auto insurance. >


However, a silent motorcycle is even more dangerous because

The noise level of a motorcycle is irrelevant.  The noise of a motorcycle comes from the pipes, which are directed behind it.  Anyone in front of the motorcycle in traffic isn't going to hear it until the motorcycle is upon them.
Conversely, people hear fire trucks, ambulances, and police cars because their sirens are directed in front of the emergency vehicle.  You hear an emergency vehicle before you see it because they're designed that way.  A lot of motorcyclists think that same awareness applies to them because their pipes are, indeed, loud.  But all their noise is directed behind them, not in front. >

Not all of it. Sound does travel forward as well. It's only too late if the motorcycle is going so fast that it doesn't matter. And that's somewhat on the motorcyclist at that point. For instance, on the freeway I can definitely hear a Harley coming down from at least 100 feet away even if they're going 60. Silent would be incredibly dangerous.
Would you say a gun makes no noise unless you're in front of the barrel? >

A lot of these issues are unique to the US >

Whatever motorcycles are fun.  Not all are loud.  And yeah it's dangerous but what isn't. >

Never head of a motorcycle crashing and killing other people. >

Two of these things are almost completely illegal, and one of them is illegal depending on where you're at.
So you're upset that people break laws, and, every once in awhile you go to turn into a parking space and have to find a different one.
I'll give you that they're more dangerous when you get into an accident then if you're in a car, but the rest of this is just, illegal activity and you being slightly inconvenienced >

Based >

Have you ridden one?
They're exhilarating at speed. >

Loud pipe = small pipe >



They’re fun


Better for the environment than cars


Smaller than cars, meaning they take up less parking and road space


They’re cheaper than cars


Edit; only accident I’ve had is some idiot backed their car out of a parking lot, went over the line and smacked into my bike. Drivers need to stop being such oblivious assholes. We speed because going the limit almost gets us killed when you don’t shoulder check doing lane changes. >

then pay better attention >

they're not dangerous. cars are dangerous >

Motorcycles are dangerous, but mostly for the rider >

But they are so much fun. Currently have 3 in my garage >

Dont care.
I have lived more in 5 minutes on my muddabike, than most of the population of the world gets to live in their entire lifetimes. >

Odd. Every time I’ve had close calls on my bike it’s because some oblivious asshole pulls out in front of me or tries to merge into me, despite all the goddamned noise the bike makes. >

OK, Grandma. Back to your crossword puzzle. >

I am a PROUD owner of a beautiful Harley Davidson. This post is incorrect. 1.) It isn't less dangerous than driving in your 4 wheeled vehicle. 2.) I am not an idiot who drives too fast. 3.)  I never weave in and out of traffic. 4.) I love mine being loud on purpose so you idiots in cars can hear me. 5.) I don't park in normal spots. I park close to the store at all times. >

1) This is factually wrong;
2) Point 4 disproves point 2;
3) That’s great, many do that unfortunately;
4) That’s just assholeness; >

My pipes are custom made extra loud because people feel we shouldn't be on the road and never pay attention to us even though we follow the laws better than most 4 wheel drivers. >

That I disagree, I don’t know where you’re from but where I live almost every motorcyclist do all type of infractions, swaying the traffic, trafficking on sidewalks, merging without signaling or without taking any care… >

I never sway in traffic, don't drive on sidewalks, never merge without my signals, and I follow all other laws. But, how many bikers you see running down the road while smoking meth or weed? How many got a beer in their hand while driving? >

Good for you, I wasn’t accusing you though. I never saw anyone using meth in my life, not a drug available here, about the weed, how the hell can I know, they wear helmets, and the beer, never, you need to hands to ride a motorcycle, do it’s pretty much impossible, however nothing stops them to ride drunk, same as cars. >

True, but as an owner of a truck also, I would never drive impaired. But have you ever seen a motorcycle pulled over for open container while going down the road? You ever seen a person being arrested after being stopped for smoking weed while driving a Harley? 
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The point it the OP is very much incorrect to assume that all bikers are the same. We are not. There are MANY MANY MANY safe motorcycle riders out there like me. >

I never saw any of those stuff with any vehicle. >

Is this unpopular? I think not. >

Loser >

When I'm driving and see one in front of me I keep hoping they'll turn or something so I don't have to follow them all the way to where I'm going. You just know they'll be jumping in and out of your lane every two seconds making a less than relaxing drive. >

agree 100%. i wont lie, they seem hella fun, but i had a friend almost die from it. when his mom called me, i already knew what it was gonna be about. seems everyone who rides either has been or knows someone who’s had a serious accident >

Alos not good in winter clinates... >

This is a popular opinion. >

My dad’s a physician and calls them “donor-cycles” because of how many riders they see in the trauma unit. >

No u. >

They are loud BECAUSE they want people to be alert of their presence. There are plenty of crazy drivers of more dangerous vehicles. At least motorcyclists usually only harm themselves. >

This is spoken from the perspective of someone who doesn’t own a motorcycle. Counterpoints:
1.) at least it’s a quick death lol
2.) I’d say the ratio of idiots who drive too fast on motorcycles vs other riders is about the same as the idiots who drive too fast in cars vs other drivers. Plus “too fast” is subjective from person to person. Everyone breaks the speed limit at some point. Everyone.
3.) they are difficult to see. I’ll give you that, but being freaked out by them as they do what is legal in many municipalities: sounds like a personal problem. 
4.) again, that’s subjective. They might be too loud for you, but clearly the noise doesn’t bother the riders…or me.
5.) tough tits. It’s also hard to see a smart car or any subcompact for that matter until your about to pull in as well. And sure, you’re annoyed by this, but one of the benefits of having a motorcycle is that that fit damn near anywhere. 
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And 5 unrelated benefits:
1.) they sip gas. They can and regularly get up to 50 miles per gallon.
2.) they are fun. Remember being a kid and riding a bike? And just how fun it was riding your bike? And riding your bike with your friends?? Ecstasy. I know. A subjective opinion but mostly shared nonetheless. 
3.) they’re affordable compared to cars and trucks. Ever bought a car? Even used ones are out of this world expensive motorcycles are cheap to acquire and (relatively) cheap to maintain compared to cars. 
4.) they’re cool. I’m into my mid 30’s and it’s undeniable to me that motorcycles are cooler than cars. Sure there are cooler motorcycles than others, and gear heads will go on for days about which cars are cooler than motorcycles, but at the end of the day, a motorcycle will always be cooler than a minivan or a Prius. and this particular point is very subjective, but hey if you can do it so can I. 
5.) they are one of the few vehicles that elicit emotions from everyone. They make you look at them twice walking past them in a parking lot. Just sitting there, like a piece of art. The machinery in full view. The paint scheme. The custom bits that the rider added. The chrome. The matching helmet hanging off the handlebar or strapped to the back seat. It’s like walking past a poster that would hang on your wall as a kid. Even to non-riders, it’s like a hit of instant nostalgia. And while driving them down the highway there is the feeling of freedom and comradeship with other riders. And they also do the Opposite: they can boil peoples blood with how loud they can be, or make them fear for the riders safety. 
They are amazing machines. 
Your unpopular opinion reads more like old man/woman bitching. You’re the “get off my lawn with your hip hop music” type of person. 
I don’t even own a motorcycle and I don’t like you. >

People say they’re too loud even though loudness is the point. If you’re driving a bike silent on a highway it is way harder for people to notice you and make sure to not hit you. >

Cars kill 40,000 people a year. 
They send a million to hospital every year. 
Yet motorbikes are danger?? >

It's reckless drivers that are dangerous. Not the majority of motorcyclists. They're are some but not NEARLY CLOSE to the amount of idiot drivers >

Cars need to learn to pay attention. Motorcycles are a million times better to drive than cars. It's asshole car drivers that make driving a motorcycle dangerous. >

Tell me you drive an SUV and live in the US without saying it. >

The loudness is the only thing about them that pisses me off.  Nothing I hate more than a loud gang of motorcycles going down the road.  As far as safety goes, I really don't care what decisions people make on that, but as long as they don't endanger someone else, it's up to them to decide.  Yes, in America most people who drive them are idiots. However, in places like Thailand and Vietnam, they're just what people drive in big cities for convenience, or if they can't afford a car.  I don't think of those the same way. >

You should see the onslaught of downvotes and negativity about my perceived intelligence when I suggested on Reddit that they should be banned. >

Feel for ya. It's like posting about pitbulls... >

Why did you severely injure ur friend tho >

Lol got em >

As far as point 5, not all of them are loud.  Actually I think it's mainly just Harley-Davidsons, and even then, I think it's because people mod them to make them loud.  I don't think they come that loud from the factory.  Other motorcycle brands (Honda, etc.) usually aren't nearly as loud. >

I have one and I can hardly argue against this post, but not all are like that and I too don't like the super loud ones. But this is not unpopular, most people agree with this I'm fairly sure. >

A motorcycle is probably the only type of motor vehicle I would be afraid to drive or ride on. >

I can kind of get the appeal if you live in somewhere like Utah or Arizona where there's a lot of flat, wide open, clear highway. That's probably a really cool experience. Sons of Anarchy? Phenomenal show (#RipOpie). That scene from Top Gun? Sick. I also think the classic bikes are really cool to look at and working on them is probably just as cool as restoring classic cars (if not easier since they don't take up as much room), but personally I'm with you on this. There are far more idiots than sensible motorcycle riders, and I feel like most of the bikes you see these days are sport bikes and not classic ones. Also, I've lived in Philadelphia for the past 2.5 years. If you don't know anything about the "gangs" (I really don't even know what they're called) here, it's just a bunch of annoying dudes on legit ATVs and sport bikes that ride up and down Broad Street and rev their engines super loud without any regard for cars around them, and have gone as far as rolling up on cop cars on patrol at 3 am just sitting in gas station parking lots and harassing them. If I didn't already dislike motorcycles, they've sure turned me off to them since. >

They’re a form of transport where I’m from. Can be dangerous but they get you through traffic faster >

They should be wheeled through residential streets and fired up once they're miles away. Pain in the arse. >

Dangerous to the person riding them; most accidents are caused by other drivers rather than the biker. Seems as if drivers in general are more of a danger to others on the road.
Sports bikes maybe but even then you’re gonna notice the ones going mach 10 over the ones going the speed limit
Just look.. as a biker I have no issue spotting other bikers when driving my car so seems like an attention issue.
Studies show its safer for a biker to filter through traffic than to just sit there; many drivers are distracted.
Moreover their gas mileage is far superior to that of a cars; $11 for me will get me like 70+ miles. Not to mention the price of the bike being cheaper than a car and I’m paying $35 for insurance. 
Plus they’re fun. >

We have a lot of motorcyclists weaving in dense traffic at double the speed limit which is why it’s so important to always use turn signals and not jam on the brakes when they barely miss you by inches but many car drivers over react and also cause accidents >

I'd say 8/10 people would agree with this. Maybe not as aggressively, but it's a popular opinion that motorcycles are dangerous and annoying. >

Point 1: Yeah they are dangerous, but so is snowboarding, sometimes life involves risk for enjoyment.
Point 2: Easily say the same thing about cars, in fact it's idiots in cars that make riding a motorbike so dangerous.
Points 3-5: You might be one of those idiots based on these three points. >

I cannot agree with you more. >

Dude, you clearly have zero knowledge of the subject and are in fact a perfect embodyment of
1. why motorcycles are dangerous
2. why motorcyclists go fast
3. not having any basic common sense to look for and expect motorcycles on a road as equal divers and lives
4. part of the reason why motorcycles are loud
5. motorcycles get run over in parking lots  
They are dangerous because drivers like you don't care or actively try to run them off the road.  
Motorcyclists drive faster than traffic so they can engage with traffic at a pace safe for them not for you since youre in a metal cage. Their lives are at risk not yours.  
They are hard to see because youre not looking in your F4C%ing Mirriors!!!  
They freak you out because youre too fucking close to them. They need the same space as a car if not MORE because they cant turn or stop as quickly as a car. THEY decide when they get close and pass close to you not the other way around. Got it? Yes its unfair. Its for THEIR safety.  
Some are loud because they improve performance on their vehicle. Something one might not understand on a 1997 shit box honda or 2007 white truck... This performance is actually very important to a safe motorcycle  
Who cares if you cant see them parked. Grow up. >

Their driven for looks. >

**Bad drivers/riders are the absolute worst. Motorcycles are fine. >

I think we need to accept that there are idiots on all forms of transport. Cars, motorcycles, bicycles, you name it. It’s an objective fact that motorbikes are more dangerous to the user than cars. But they also take up less space on the road, use less fuel, can use less parking, and can ease traffic flow. It’s not for me. But I disagree that they’re “the absolute worst”. >

FYI the loud pipes are so when you can’t see them you can hear them. Loud pipes do save lives. I was born and raised into a biker family. Some of the nicest and most caring people. Extremely intelligent and very successful. Those motorcycles are not cheap. We can all fit on the roads if we all watch out for each other. >

Is this an unpopular opinion? Never understood why there are strict auto safety standards while motorcycles which are unsafe by their very nature are allowed on the road. >

I get tired of the drivers who drive like idiots and then scream “look twice save a life”. >


They're fun >

Numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 are usually all related to a single type of motorcycle rider.  
Number 5 could be said about a Smart car. >

yea it's always the drivers around them. I've seen evidence contrary to that >

I own 2 bikes and couldn't agree more, I only use them for track racing, riding in the city is straight up suicide even if you abide by all the laws, everyone out there is trying to kill you. >

oof. i worked for a H-D dealership for just half a year and not only was the culture itself toxic, clique-y, and fueled by rampant favoritism but one of my most beloved coworkers just broke their back in 3 places and sustained a ton of other terrible injuries. this kid is messed up for life and barely into their 20s. got t-boned by a car while riding their motorcycle home. there have been so many other injuries amongst the staff and “favorite” customers in the short time i worked there but this was the worst. i wonder how the dealership addressed this (if at all) to the team the next morning. i remember having to put up caution signs for customers too when construction was taking place nearby and workers were driving the wrong way while bikers were entering or exiting the dealership. on the other hand, i was and still am fascinated by this subculture, (just as i was with skateboarding and graffiti culture in my younger days), but in my experience, getting too involved in any way can oftentimes lead down a dark path for so many reasons. >

take my upvote
if 3 and 5 are issues for you, it means you should not drive >

I have a friend of mine with a Super Bowl ring and a bag to poop in because he hit a speed limit sign at twice the number posted on it. >

I don’t mind people on motorcycles but they need to stop pretending everyone should bow down to you. I promise you my truck will when the fight if you hit it. 
Motorcyclist seem to have developed a sort of entitlement when on the road. 
Accidents happen. People pull out in front of cars all of the time. You are the one partaking in an activity that is much riskier than driving a car. >

Number 4 is intentional so you’re alert of their presence. >

AMEN BROTHER!! PREACH ON!!! >

I tried posting pretty much this exact same thing before but was told it wasn't an unpopular opinion ¯_(ツ)_/¯ >

if you able to drive carefully, it really worth the petrol cost. >

An old roommate got a motorcycle and wrecked it on the same day!!! He got hurt and ended up in the hospital for a few weeks >

Nerd >

Main problem is if you crash into a car you're quaranteed crippled >

I’ve killed about 3 motorcyclists myself, they’re about as safe as a spider is against my shoe. >

You're either extremely unlucky or need to drive more carefully. >

It was a joke😭 >

Yeah but they’re super fun. >

We’re loud so if you don’t see us, you hear us >

The good thing about them: In some places is the absolute cheapest way to get from point A to point B >

Ok go drive your shitty honda >

The worst gas-guzzling motorcycle is still about as efficient as the most fuel economic car. And many motorcycles can get up to 200mpg or better. They're easier to maintain yourself, and they take up way less space. If you're commuting to work by yourself or with one other person, they're a fantastic option >

Just lost a coworker end of last year. He decided to ride in on a wintry night. He didn’t make it home. >

And it's also much cheaper for people who can't afford a car >

Counter point: they look cool >

So all you said so far is that you don't like idiots on motorbikes >

I don't have a problem with motorcycles; it's the douchebags that ride them. For example,  starting your bike at the ass crack of dawn and constantly revving it every 5 minutes like you just pulled a classic car that was sitting for years out of storage. Tearing down residential streets like your in a hurry. People have to get up early for work unfortunately!! Weaving in and out of traffic. Also playing your radio soo loud that we can hear it 2 blocks away. >

Tell me you are an idiot without saying "I am an idiot." >

As a biker, I see why your opinion is considered unpopular lol. I will say though, that your claim of bikes being dangerous and  "usually being driven by idiots" is false. The dangerous riders stick out in your head, absolutely, but the vast majority of us just want to cruise and mind our business. As for being hard to see, try watching the road. I can't tell you how many times I've had someone almost clip my bike because they're not paying attention. I'm not hard to see when other drivers put their phone down. Those loud exhausts you're complaining about? They serve a purpose....drivers who can't see me, or who refuse to look, I'll make damn sure you can hear me when you drift into my lane, or go straight in a turning lane. At regular driving RPMs, my bike comes in well below the decibel limit for my city. >

The whole thing about idiots driving too fast, that isn't the bikes fault it's the driver. >

They are loud, so you notice them. I rarely see an irresponsible motorcycle. >

I don’t think this is unpopular. >

1: fun
2: agile and mobile
3: i can skip queues of cars
4: no tax, less costs
5: with good biking gear you can be safe, even on commutes where you might only wear a biking jacket, helmet , boots and gloves.
6: you can have alot more cargo than you think.
Its true they are dangerous so please BE SEEN. Most often its because some car makes a move which outs you into an unsafe situation, or you do it yourself by making shortcuts. Them being loud is a positive thing on the road. >

Other drivers should pay attention to their surroundings. Car motorcycle bicycle or pedestrian. That’s just reckless driving. 
2 and 3 are self inflicted injuries. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for someone that speeds wiped out. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. 
4 is just stupid. Plenty of cars are loud too. That’s an option not required. 
5 this is just dumb. >

Knew a guy who permanently resided at a Hospice care, he was only 33 years old, when he was 24 he was speeding down a residential road, and apparently from his perspective some teens decided to remove a manhole cover, his front wheel got caught, and catapulted him through the air, the end result was being paralyzed for the rest of his life. His youth gone, his aspirations gone, his chances to get the most out of life forever hindered. There was a point growing up where I was dead set on making a motorcycle my daily driver, now I just feel sad whenever I remember my old excitement to ride. >

I think it depends on the context. I agree they shouldn’t be driven on highways because they are super dangerous but can be great for traversing cities with not a lot of cars. A friend and I once drove through Paris at night on a motorcycle and it was incredible tbh. >

If you take one minuet to research the motorcycle subs, you will see we reprimand and shame reckless riders. It’s even more critical In person. >

Enjoy your tall glass of milk, and leave us to our hobbies Boo. >

I wish I could afford a T-Rex Motorcycle >

I don’t like to share the story too much, but my Dads friend was killed on his motorcycle buy a tourist driving on the wrong side of the road. You read that right. Apparently the man served no jail time and it was blamed on the rider . >


Is the most important one here. Incredible levels of arrogance for anyone who thinks it’s OK to have an extremely loud vehicle >

Im not even a car yet but I never heard about someone turning into a motorcycle >

Go to Crazy shit dot com and you can watch hundreds of motorcycle deaths, mostly from the Third World. Makes you never want to get near them, let alone ride them. >

A motorcycle that can go 65mph with 80 miles per gallon is $4250 including tax. A car that can go a similar speed with similar fuel efficiency does not exist new, and the used ones don't pass emissions testing. For 1 and 3, that's because drivers don't look for them because they are relatively uncommon. 2 and 5 stem from them being cheap and small, and their licensure tests being inadequate or not even required in some places. 4 doesn't really apply to all motorcycles anyway. >

6) I don't like anything about motorcycle culture. Loud-ass Harley-Davidsons. Leather and denim jackets with the Harley logo. Dudes in bandannas. Girlfriends who look like they were in a Motley Crue video. Awful music. Meth. I dunno... everything about motorcycles seems like the opposite of fun to me. >

I disagree that they’re the absolute worst but your points are not wrong except for the one about them driving too fast. That’s not every biker nor every kind of bike either. However, the risk is honestly part of the fun. There’s few things that can clear your mind more than being afraid for your life. Got a problem? Take a bike ride. >

OP lists 5 complaints about motorcycles, 4 are complaints about people.  The 5th is a complaint about his own inability to park safely >

2 are about cars >

If only they weren't so much damn fun. >

Please don't bucket motorcyclists or motorcycles in the same way you are not saying "cars are the absolute worst" even when whatever you just said also applies (actually, even more). >

could argue the same thing with bicycles. They impede the flow of traffic, act like entitled douchebags, hard to see or hear them as they weave in and out of traffic. 
Motorcycles are better than cars imo, especially for single person transportation. A good bike will get you over 100 miles per gallon, loud pipes save lives, and they're way more fun then driving in a cage. >

Agreed, I'm all for freedom, but they're really both a nuisance and a safety hazard. They should at least be required to have 3 wheels. >

Meanwhile stoners get their doors kicked in by feds while watching netflix >


There’s nothing good about them

I suppose you don’t live in Los Angeles and need to drive on the 10 freeway.
I see motorcycles pass me between lanes, and moments later they have disappeared in the horizon, while I’ve traveled maybe 3 feet. 
Get my up arrow, this unpopular opinion is definitely not it here in LA (you have a much higher chance of dying than people driving but heeeeey) >

Well, if you looks into other vehicles, you would see that they all have those bad things. The problem is that what you are listing are things that only idiots who try to show off by going highspeed do. I live in SEA, most people use motorcycle here and i know what is good, what is bad. It's more about the driver, not about the vehicle. >

I’ve have to see a motorcyclist not drive like a complete asshole. They toy with their lives everyday. >


Too Loud - they go by my house every five minutes or so on weekend afternoons.  Gives us all a chance to stop chatting on the front porch and take a drink and marvel at how cool the riders are! >

Only 1 of these is an actual complaint against the machines. The others are against the operator or your poor perception.   
You made one complain. Then you whined like a bitch for 4 additional points. >

2 through 5 remind me of an old man screaming at kids to get off their lawn. >

Almost all of your points have little to do with motorcycles and more to do with shitty users.
Motorcycles are, in no particular order;
Cheaper than cars.
More fuel efficient than cars.
Easier to store than cars.
More controllable than cars.
Provide more visibility to the operator than cars.
Break faster than cars.
And are less likely to cause undue harm to whatever they hit if they do get into an accident.
The reality is that motorcycles are not only perfectly safe, but even safer than cars due to the greater amount of control and responsiveness given to the operator. I’m sorry that you’ve had run-ins with shitty riders, but that doesn’t mean that motorcycles themselves as a concept are bad or unsafe. >

Motorcycles can be super nifty in city settings, But I hate when motorcycle drivers complain about grass trimmings on the road like it’s everyone else’s job to worry about their safety. Yes the mower needs a mulching blade, yes drivers should just always be safe, but cyclists forfeit their safety when they get on a motorcycle. >

That's a particular kind of rider. We're not all like you describe. >

Something about getting rid of the weak.... >

It's understandable that you have negative feelings towards motorcycles, as you have had negative experiences with them. Motorcycles can indeed be dangerous, as they offer less protection for riders than cars do for drivers and passengers. Additionally, some motorcycle riders may engage in reckless or dangerous behavior, such as speeding or lane splitting, which can further increase the risk of accidents. >

ER doctors call them ‘ donor cycles’ >

No. The people in cars are the idiots who can’t drive for shit. Some even intentionally run motorcycles off the road, or cause them to crash. >

I've ridden for almost 20 years.
There are stereotypes for all riders (ie harley/cruiser guys, crotch rocket guys, dirtbike guys). I imagine that, in part, this is what OP is basing this off of, along with the loss of the friend.
Without knowing the context of the wreck I can't comment intelligently, so for that I'm sorry for your loss.
As far as bikes being dangerous they are not, it's the rider that can make it dangerous, just like they can any other vehicle.
The weaving in and out of lanes piece is a dangerous practice, even if it is legal. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
Hard to see? If you mean on the road then sure they can be, but that's where any driver should be paying attention to their surroundings. That's where the noise comes in OP complains of, there's an old addage of "loud pipes save lives". I like a loud bike for many reasons, one of which is that if someone doesn't see me, they'll certainly hear me.
Any responsible rider wouldn't treat the road as a race track, or stunt course. They could hurt themselves, group they're riding with, and of course other motorists. Admittedly not all riders are responsible and there are douches of all varieties, however this is also the case of guys with sports cars and big trucks also.
The other side of that coin is that when one is operating a motorcycle they have to be much more defensive than if they were in another vehicle because we have to watch what other people are doing making sure they don't hit us, especially with the rise of smartphone usage with the newer drivers who can't seem to drive without being glued to their phones. >

Big time unpopular. I upvote you.


Fun as shit


Fucking awesome 


Good for the soul


Meditative 


Fucking awesome >

Yeah this is a very bad take. Lol >

The most common cause of death for motorcyclist is coming in too hot into corners, usually its from an over-estimation of their own skill, but the actual biggest factor in most statistics is alcohol.
As long as a rider relaxes, doesn't ride like an idiot, which both car drivers and bike riders do equally, they're a lot more safer.
Check before you leave intersections, practice your emergency braking and dress in appropriate gear.
The noise part is usually harley riders which make my eyes roll, or idiots who buy loud af exhausts for the dumbest reasons, but cars also can be just as loud.
They're hard to see because they're not riding properly or defensively, a good rider is pretty visible at most times unless passing a blindspot, and the whole lane splitting during active traffic is dangerous as fuck, i agree with you on that one.
Filtering to the front during stopped or super slow traffic is more of a safety thing too >

Truly unpopular: 
motorcycles are the best
1: they are relatively cheaper to run (miles/per gallon)
2: lane filtering (where it's legal) results in faster commuting, reducing traffic build up and pollution.
3: most motorcycle accidents (at least in my city) are caused by either irresponsible riders, which is the minority and terrible drivers. >

Idiot sportbike rider here.
Yea fuck me for being 100% focused on trying to predict what you’re going to do while you’re probably too busy texting or being scared of what my clear intentions are as I come up on your left mirror at 100+mph. Had you actually been paying attention, you likely would’ve gotten out of the way or stayed where you were because you’re a car and I’m a motorcycle. Simple math. >

Mine is loud I’ll give you that. The rest doesn’t apply. I’ll be damned I risk my bike getting hit by a fool in a hurry in a parking lot. Already see how you drive in town and on highways. Parking lots are sometimes worse somehow. >


Yes, it can be.
Not really;  it's more idiot car drivers who distracted by their phones.
This is on OP
There are electric bikes now
This is on OP

If any thing; there should be more people riding electric motorbikes. >

They are cool and fun, but I do hate the noise >

And motorcycle riders think you're the worst.
It's really great only having to pay $8 a week for fuel, $20 a month for insurance, $70 a year for rego, and never having to to take toll roads because I can skip literally all the congestion. 
Safety is a spectrum. Riding a bike doesn't have to be dangerous. Most accidents are single person incidents (over 60%). The rest can be mitigated by defensive riding or changing laws to make riding safer (Lane Filtering).
That's not even mentioning the benefits for the environment or how drastically people switching to bikes reduces congestion for stubborn drivers.
Also, we wouldn't need obnoxious exhaust systems if you took your damn eyes off the phone or screaming children in the back for 5 minutes. >

They're not dangerous actually. If you ride them properly. They're dangerous mostly because drivers have bad attitudes. You move way more people for far less congestion. They take up less space per person they carry. They take up less space to park. Cars are driven by complete idiot's too. Sounds like you're very ignorant >

Many countries have motorcycles as their main mode of transport as it is extremely cheap to fill them with gas and go long distances. >

1) Someone once crashed a 18 wheeler into the Berlin Christmas Market. 18 wheelers are the worst. You see where I'm going with this?                                                                                     
2) Exactly, the moment you out ur ass in the Sattle you become in ruthless idiot swerving around traffic. You are comparing a small percentage of riders to the vast majority who despise these idiots as well. It's just the common picture of bikers bc swerving around traffic makes more views in TT,YT or Insta \
3) Agreed, bikers weaving around traffic is dangerous and incredibly stupid. I hope by weaving around traffic you mean, over the speed limit, cutting people off, leaving no distance etc. I think that filtering is fine as long as the surrounding traffic is standing still \
4) No not all bikes are too loud, it's their nature they have a piston sitting at 7-8k rpm with no problem (where most cars would blow up). Some bikes have 4 pistons that makes noise (obviously) It's the way the are being ridden, i can promise you the ones that you hear from your flat/house (whatever) are purposely riding loud, they want to be heard, they probably revbomb it at every intersection. They enjoy their hobby. They enjoy listening to their bike, but there's a limit once or twice in the city is fine but doing excessively hurts the bike, your fuel economy and people living there. 
I also ride and enjoy revving my bike in  tunnels, if you don't enjoy cars or bikes you won't understand.\ >

Um, your points make no sense. That can apply to anything.
1- dangerous: so are cars, so are knives, so are guns, so is breathing and living or doing literally anything. I mean I’m sorry about your loss but everything has dangers.
2- idiots: there are lots of idiots doing lots of things, you may have just had the unfortunate opportunity to I guess only meet the idiotic groups within the motorcycle community or have had bad encounters I assume. 
3- hard to see and they freak you out: that is the drivers problem, motorcycles are smaller so harder to see and drivers should pay attention to everything including animals, but you don’t blame that on the animal. 
4-too loud: that as a matter of fact is because the distance from engine to exhaust is much shorter so it’s always louder and most bikers make them loud so that drivers who don’t pay attention pay attention because it’s a lot harder in those situations to reach for horn on a bike than to rev to get the drivers attention. 
5- can’t see them in parking spots: well I have to agree on this one as much as I love bikes, I do hate the feeling you describe. 
Hope y’all know I don’t mean disrespect by this post to anyone but more putting my 2 cents and opinion out there >

I just told this to a friend. I have had two accidents so far and I still have scars of those till now. >

Only cause people lack any ability to drive. >

As a trauma ER/icu nurse, I wholeheartedly agree