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as with ulvade police control everything. they have not released everything they have. like the conversations going on over the radios. eventually it will come out.
they are there to protect their own. not the community. we saw that in uvalde. so with the politicians.
we need to original videos where the cops say he was not driving right. ok so where are the cop car videos of it showing him not driving right.
also where are the cop car conversations of when they first saw him.
also any 3rd party videos of anyone who saw and recorded the event. even some news report saying he only fled after they beat him and tazed him and would not stop. so it was two different events.
anyways i cant wait for the raw feeds to come out. hopefully as with uvalde there will be family, community and national/international pressure to get the stuff out inspite of police trying to protect their own
i read today they gave investigation of white cop to another cop that had problem with child porn and that the current chief of police helped that cop get away with his problems now hes there to help her back with her problem. so how can you put someone to head investigation with conflict of interest and debt. anyways hope there is 3rd party investigation of all the cops that made public
Late Monday, the police department said another officer had been relieved of duty. Officials did not give a name or specify what role the officer played in the arrest. In total, seven Memphis officers have been disciplined.
Also Monday, Memphis Fire Department officials announced the firing of emergency medical technicians Robert Long and JaMicheal Sandridge and fire Lt. Michelle Whitaker in connection with Nichols’ death. 

The tally of those deemed responsible for Tyre's death is growing - as it should. These EMTs stood around shooting the shit with the cops instead of attending to Tyre's injuries. >

This article has a bit of misleading context: The EMTs in question were assigned to the fire truck that responded. The ambulance EMS staffers were not. The fact that FD did not also do their due assessment in accordance with certifications with the engine crew is the principal factor in this. They were EMT certified, but they were Firefighters (in mentality and name) and should be called as such. >

Thanks for the clarification. Those firefighters are not fit for public service. >

De nada. Its a big thing when you work in EMS even in relatively decent areas to either get your lumps in some EMS experience and get on with a department because of pay, hrs, etc but it comes with the expectation you essentially have to learn two different first reaponder roles which leaves people out in the cold if they go on an ambulance due to not 'having the fire side' essential for some promotions or considerations. Fire does need to be an essential servoce, a lot of EMS relies on their ability to respond and control scenes as well as retrieve patients from otherwise inaccessable scenes, but EMS is, like all medicine, as much art as it is science and no artist cannot practice frewuently and expect to be a maestro.
There's also the poison of mentality of Fire > EMS because the money does go to FDs which is how we end up with solid rosters for engines but ambulances can see critical shortages ewpecially when the laws can have people waiting 'holding a wall' for hours waiting for a bed on non emergent calls such as a broken nose or drunk and disorderly patient vs major traumas from, for example, a mass pileup on the interstate. All 3 services need funding to do their jobs, but unions have gobbled up what EMS can and should provide for and coupled with the insurance industry making health care bankruptcy-to-go, we are seeing fewer people stay in and losing critical knowledge and expertise to the point where some private agencies have to refuse calls because their providers will not respond. Public sector is the only money left in EMS and it comes with knowing you'll be tasked with an inundated call volume where you'll be lucky to eat while the Firefighters can routinely cook in house and get regular rest. >

In an entertainment-based democracy, firefighters get all the privileges because they’re sexy. >

At least there is the song, "the artist in the ambulance" >

R/UnexpectedThrice >

It’s great to say they’re cleaning house, but Hemphill’s comments made on his own body camera identify him as a person not psychologically or emotionally suitable for public service.  Even though he was not at the second scene and the fatal portion of the beating, he has self-identified as someone who can’t continue to be a member of the police department.  If you didn’t beat him to death, but were rooting for the ones who did, how can you just go back to your job as a public servant like it never happened? >

The most distinct problem is that even if you assume that "I hope they stomp his ass" is a figure of speech and not an endorsement of beating someone to death or even literally stomping on them, it still demonstrates a systemic problem with police attitudes, that running away from an arrest entitles officers to take physical revenge on suspects once they are detained. >

It's an interesting line where you're culpable enough in a murder to get fired but not face charges >

Charges are coming. They're sitting at home as you read this, sweating their arses off, wondering what they're about to be charged with. >

They might even read your comment >

Yeah. A few weeks ago there was a thread on a literal child killer and I mentioned something that got my comment reported and removed. Like who the fuck reports that. >


after he was pulled over on suspicion of reckless driving.

Great job perpetuating this fucking bogus lie Adrian Sainz. Really fucking cool >

That sounds bullshit to begin with. "Suspicion" of reckless driving means the officers hadn't witnessed it. >

The chief of police admitted they found no evidence of reckless driving when reviewing body cam and street surveillance videos. >

Yeah, but lets just keep putting that out there so it becomes "truth" like a certain twice-impeached asshole. >


you mean the one that "won" in 2016?

Are you denying the results of an election? /s >

anybody that has more than one brain cell. >

It's insane to me that so many firefighters and EMTs failed to render aid. We only have volunteer fire departments in my small town and in the surrounding rural communities and it's inconceivable to me that these so-called first responders could be so callous, especially when they were being paid by the city to help the city's residents and seem to have purposefully and willfully failed at their jobs and neglected their duty. >

There are examples of the police literally arresting EMTs and firefighters, as they "control the scene".
Would you want to get the shit beaten out of you by 5 enraged cops as you tried to save the life of the man they just got finished beaten the shit out of? >

I've never seen a case of a firefighter or EMT getting arrested or assaulted for trying to render aid, though I can understand their reluctance if that's a common practice. 
I guess it's just a completely different mindset and experience for first responders in cities as opposed to smaller communities like where I live. I've literally had volunteer firefighters with only basic first aid training sprint down the road with a med kit because they overheard the ambulance being dispatched and figured they could get here faster and do whatever they could to help even though it was well beyond their scope of training, so I couldn't fathom a firefighter ignoring an injured patient. >


I've literally had volunteer firefighters with only basic first aid training sprint down the road with a med kit because they overheard the ambulance being dispatched and figured they could get here faster and do whatever they could to help even though it was well beyond their scope of training

Were they under threat of arrest or getting the shit beaten out of them by the local cops?
That's the main difference. Firefighters and EMTs are, generally, good people, in cities and outside. The problem is their "colleagues" in blue, with whom they have to routinely deal. They can make their jobs very difficult, if not impossible to do. >

No, and it's a shame if police in some places make it hard for other first responders to do their jobs.
My town only has 2 police officers in their entire department but they work different hours so more often than not the police need the firefighters to help control the scene of car accidents, fires, and police encounters, so they don't have an adversarial relationship with them. That's what I meant by it being different in cities and small towns. The police departments here aren't big enough to alienate the fire fighters or EMTs because they need them, and I guarantee none of the volunteer fire fighters would show up to a police scene if a police officer assaulted one of them for trying to render aid. And since they're volunteers instead of being paid, no one can really make them respond to a scene. >

I'd say most places buddy. A town with two police officers is darn small or understaffed. >

Is it standard procedure for an emergency service technician to remain in the vehicle? I didn’t see the article mention what, if anything, will come of the ambulance driver. >

*engine driver
From my reading of the article, a fire department engine, carrying 2 EMTs, an officer (Lieutenant) and a driver arrived first. The driver stayed with the engine (around my area, which is NOT Memphis, that would be standard procedure in most cases—in case the engine needs to be moved in a hurry or we need additional equipment run out to the patient in a hurry). Apparently, the officer also stayed with the engine (not sure why she stayed with the engine as around here that would NOT be standard procedure, though sometimes the third person will drag their feet for a couple of minutes to see what equipment the 2 guys inside radio out for. 27 minutes is way longer than a standard “feet dragging”)
I’m guessing that’s why there are 3 people from the FD in trouble—the two EMT’s for not adequately assessing the patient, and the officer for staying in her chair for nearly a half hour. The driver is probably safe from any disciplinary action as he probably wasn’t expected to get out unless called for. >

Thanks! I appreciate your perspective >

They’re cleaning house. >

This is how it should be.  Maybe real change is happening now.  It's slow, but hopefully steadily increasing. >

This is one of the cleanest cases of brutality. So much video, audio, victim was not combative at all, and police took turns pummeling him. It would be difficult to conceal the evidence if people began looking into it. Unfortunately not many cases are this clean cut. >

Let us know when there’s charges . That’s what really matters . >

5 officers have been charged with Murder.  
Memphis Fire EMTs have really limited scope depending on who's there (like, extremely limited, they cannot give oxygen without asking a ALS or doc on call without permission) and no 'special relationship' exists until such time as the assistance required is within their scope.  At most, the EMT's will be fired because they failed to follow protocol, but that isn't criminal, even if morally reprehensible.  If they were actually just EMTs as stated, there's almost assuredly nothing they could have done anyway within their scope or training or competence. >

Paramedics are very different from EMTs.  Paramedics have a scope of practice when they are on a unit, and working under a doctor (who signed off on that scope.)  EMTs may work under a Paramedic and assist the paramedic at their direction.  EMTs really cannot operate independently.
In Tennessee, an EMT has 8 weeks of training and consists of CPR, first aid, basic procedure, and minimal actual medical knowledge.
A Paramedic course is ~2 years at the upper end of 'part time' and expects a fair bit of experience beforehand, and actually has anatomy and physiology, medications and procedures, cardiology, etc.
ETA:  Just verified their licenses, One was an EMT, one was an AEMT.  Neither was a paramedic, so neither had any scope of practice in Memphis that they can do on their own under the city's treatment plan.  These guys honestly feel like sacrificial goats. >


EMTs really cannot operate independently.

That really depends on location. I'm completely unfamiliar with Memphis protocols, but in my neck of the woods, paramedics never even see most EMS patients because the majority of calls are handled purely by EMTs. >

In Tennessee, EMTs are so limited in scope by law that state law was recently amended to require level 1 emergency providers to run ONLY ALS equipped ambulances with a paramedic and an EMT.  Even level 2 requires 90%+ to be a Paramedic and EMT.  Level 3 and Level 4 allow an EMT and an AEMT, but I don't see Memphis fire being level 3.
Basic transport (AKA hauling dialysis patients around) has a little more leeway.  But EMT and AEMT only units are phasing out because ambulance services like being paid, and Medicare and Tenncare are mandating paramedics be on a certain percentage of transports now. >

Sounds horrible.
(I'm a big fan of a tiered system; save ALS for patients who are actually sick sick.) >

Everyone who was there standing around needs to be fired and possibly charged. >

I get how the EMTs could be in a tough spot here.  You've got a gang of assholes that just beat a guy to the point where he's going to die, of course you'd be worried that if you tried to save that guys life they'd start attacking you too.
But on the other hand, that's your job, literally your entire job.  If someone, even the cops, are preventing you from doing that, then you need to call 911 and get someone who will stop them.  Not just stand around shooting the shit with the murderers. >

Did anyone report what they saw after or did they all just go home after? >

The police report says that Nichols was a suspect for an aggravated assault (guess the suspected of reckless driving wasn't good enough), and lists one of the cops as a victim.
Any EMT who didn't want to go along with this would have taken his phone out and been livestreaming it to a lawyer. >

Alot of misinformed people in here so let me give the run down of facts I've seen people getting wrong as well as give some context: 


There was 2 groups of EMTs. One helped and the other didn't. The fired ones were the ones that didn't. 2 black and 1 white. 


The beating occurred at a 2nd scene. Basically original pull over occurred and Tyre fled. That's the first scene where the white officer was. 


The 5 officers who beat him to death at the 2nd scene were all black and have been fired and charges are coming. 


Charges for the EMTs found at fault and fired might be coming so be patient. >

those EMTs should be charged too if they haven’t already been. gross negligence >

Don't worry, some other PD will hire them and they'll repeat the cycle of violence on a smaller scale. Or maybe worse. >

they need to fire/arrest the white cop as well. there is video of him early on tazing him and saying to beat his ass. instead they giving em a pass treating him different than the other cops
also i read today that there is no evidence to support the cops excuse fo stopping him. that instead it was hit because he was boyfriend to one of the cops ex wife. so when they spotted him they wanted to give him a beating just for this. there is report that the cop called his ex wife during the beating to show her what they had done to her boyfriend.
we need more videos to come out. the whole thing.
we also need to cops ex wife to give testimony and the cell phone company to give any evidence of communications during that time for al the cops. >


that instead it was hit because he was boyfriend to one of the cops ex wife. 

Where are you seeing this? I'd like to see a link if you can remember where you saw it and share please. >

It’s just a rumor with no reliable sources. People need to stop spreading it until it’s actually confirmed. This is how misinformation starts