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Cause fuck ‘em! That’s why!
Good. The Republicans are willing to ruin our economy and not pay the bills for money already spent. Negotiating with blackmailers is not a good precedent to set. >

Unfortunately the wealthy owned media will pin the economy not recovering on Biden. Many voters automatically blame the president for everything bad. 
In 2023 there will be local and state elections. I encourage you all to vote out right wingers and Republicans to help pave the way for 2024. >


economy not recovering

Both GDP and employment are up. Gas prices are down. My stock portfolio is up about 5% year over year. What is this "not recovering" you're talking about? >

Yes but if the GOP succeed in using the debt ceiling to tank the economy it will be blamed on Biden. >

This isn't our first rodeo. The Republican's have attempted this ploy a number of times in the past and every time it's come back to bite them in the ass. 
Sure, the MAGA crowd are completely disconnected from reality and will believe whatever they're told but the rest of the electorate will know exactly who is causing the problem. >

They will know now but in 2024 assuming the damage they have done to the economy is still having a negative affects they will blame Biden. The GOP will not lose much if anything in 2023 as off year elections are low turnout with more steadfast Republican voters than others. >

Have you considered a job as a Republican strategist?
That was the thinking every time Republican's held the budget hostage to the debt ceiling and every time they payed dearly for it. The only reason I'm hoping they don't do it is that it would inflict significant hardship on vulnerable Americans but if they want to touch the hot stove again... >

The GOP raise the deficit every time they are in office democrat historically lower the deficit yet the debt caused by that is blamed on the democrats. The GOP have an efficient message amplifying propaganda machine. The GOP has control of the supreme court and have ended democracy in more and more local and state and congressional races. They do not win by swaying voters they win by firing up there base to get out and vote. The message that democrats are bad at the economy has been hammered home since Nixon. >

No reason to negotiate, Congress wrote the checks, now they have to pay for it. >

Biden took an oath to uphold the constitution.
The constitution says the debts of the US shall not be questioned.
If the republicans want to start ignoring parts of the constitution, remind people that it's the same document that says in the 2a - "Shall not be infringed"
Biden is literally constitutionally bound not to discuss even potentially not paying the debts of the US. >

Yeah republicans don’t give a fuck about the constitution lol they’re 100% self serving >

its funny looking at the comments in all the conservative safe spaces regarding the debt ceiling and .. they dont seem to really understand it. like any of the basics. they dont seem to know exactly what it is, what the history of it is, what it actually does, etc. 
for how much they profess to be the 'smarter' political ideology, they sure seem to be missing a lot of the basics. >

This particular dynamic is not unique to the debt ceiling. >

its almost like they have absolutely no fucking clue about anything but demand to be seen as respected >

This isn't new. The United States does not negotiate with terrorists, as a policy. >

Except, for instance, the Iranian hostage situation where Reagan just kept giving them shitloads of weapons lol >

Or Trump and the Taliban. >

Democrats don't negotiate with terrorists, or progressives. >

they’d probably consider negotiating with osama before a progressive >

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is in the middle of making a mistake." >

He shouldn't negotiate because there is no "there" there.
Debt ceiling fights and government shutdowns only happen when the GOP is in control. 
That's the only time they happen.
Federal workers can go days or weeks without pay, and then the ass hats in Washington tell them "just get a loan to pay your bills." Sorry politicians, the average American doesn't have a $30,000 Furniture stipend for their office, or a salary to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars with the ability to trade in the stock market on Insider information, while having lifetime Healthcare for free.
FML and people actually vote for the Republicans.
How can you want a party that believes as one of its core tenants that government does not work, to run the government?
They believe it's broken, then they get into office and enact policies to prove it. What is one of those things they use to prove it's broken? 
Pretending to be deficit Hawks, and then threatening to shut down the government if they don't get spending cuts.
Do they ever want defense cut spending? Nope only Aid programs. 
While it's true that we spend more on safety nets ( the biggest GOP talking point)  then we do on the military, money spent on safety nets goes in one big ass Circle. 
It goes from Uncle Sam's pocket into the hands of recipients of those programs, where it goes right back into circulation.
The $700 billion we spend on the military every year, half of that is just pissed into a hole, develops technology we end up selling to other countries, or just doesn't work out, never to be seen again. It does not circulate, with the exception of DARPA which actually drives some industry.
When a republican is in office they can balloon the debt by 7.8 trillion dollars in Just 4 years, and then claim obstruction and government red tape when they take a narrow majority in one chamber. Their base eats that shit up.
Finally the Democrats have it through their thick skulls not to play this game anymore. >

I love this comment so much. Because I know when I get on a roll, I just keep typing and  at the end I'm like "damn, who's going to read all these". But the words are so good and the flow is nice...I say "fuck it, I'll post it anyway even if nobody reads it"
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See...I almost got on a roll lol. >

Because we don't negotiate with terrorists. >

There's nothing to negotiate. The House need to do their job. >

"We're willing to cut the Trump Tax Revisions to balance the budget." >

I wish… tell me why I’m barely getting a fraction of the refund I got before getting married, owning a home and having children? >

You stopped giving overpaying your estimate taxes because the rate on government bonds is high enough to get your attention? >

"we are all domestic terrorists" - Dallas CPAC, 2022
That's cool. US policy is 'we don't negotiate with terrorists.'
It's really simple folks. CPAC proudly proclaims their intent and support for overthrowing the lawfully elected US government and then conservatives go all shocked pikachu when Biden plays hardball when they try to hold the economy hostage (again). >

Because they are not acting in good faith, they’ll just keep doing it over and over again and fuck them, that’s why. Oh and he knows Kevin will slink away with his tail b/w his legs privately no matter what is said and go call Biden a terrorist later. Screw the GOP >

good joe >

I voted for him, but I never expected him to be as good a President as he has been.  Best of my lifetime, no joke.
It has changed how I will vote in primaries going forward.  No more judging politicians by how much I love what they say, from now on I want a person in there that has the most knowledge about how this weird, semi-broken governmental system actually functions.
Screw the governors.  Screw the new-shiny-person-on-the-scene.  Gimme the multi-term senator who has sat on a bunch of key committees. 
Because it doesn't matter how damn talented a pilot you could be if you don't know, right now, how the damn plane works. >

There’s nothing to negotiate over. Paying the bills isn’t a concession. >

Yes. Because we don't negotiate with terrorists. That's what the republican party has become. >

The time to negotiate is when committing to spend the money, not when the bill is due. Biden is right this is on them. >

We don't negotiate with terrorists.
You can't just say when the credit card bill comes in that you want to negotiate about paying it. >

They're going to refuse to approve the debit limit? Gonna need a link to that. >

Purty shure TomTorq up there was trying some weak-ass “whataboutism” >

Clearly. Pitiful. No way that was true. >

Because you don't negotiate with shit flinging monkeys that demand more bananas and less cages. >

We don't negotiate with terrorists. >

There is nothing to negotiate >

We don’t negotiate with terrorists. >

There's nothing to negotiate. >

It’s about damn time the Democrats start playing hardball with these nut jobs. I really really hope they stick to their guns about this, and if the Republicans fail to raise the ceiling and people start to lose government benefits they hit the Republicans hard and blame them for a problem of their own creation.  If they were actually consistent and gave a damn about the government debt anytime a Republican is the President maybe we could debate here. >

This isn't a government shutdown down. They're threatening to possibly tank the entire world's economy because nobody actually knows what would happen if we defaulted on our debt. >

It is against US policy to negotiate with terrorists. >

Since the 14th amendment states that the validity of the US debt shall not be questioned, it’s hard to believe the debt ceiling is anything more than a legislative show to rial people up. Defaulting on its debt because of an arbitrary procedure on the debt ceiling would seem to be unconstitutional >

Negotiate what?  There's no negotiating here.  Debt ceiling needs to be raised for debts ALREADY INCURRED.
Want to negotiate spending?  Take it up during budget process. >

Because Republicans don't negotiate in good faith, that's why. They say, "Meet me in the middle", and then take a step back. >

Because you don't negotiate with terrorists, financial or otherwise.
You don't get a cookie for not killing the dog.
You don't get a cake for not blowing up school.
You don't get candy for not putting a rock through a window.
and...
You don't get concessions for not destroying the country.
This isn't rocket science, you don't get to use the debt ceiling to defund the FBI, Social Security, and The Justice Department.... all stated goals of this insane Republican Congress that would cripple our countries' ability defend itself, take care of senior citizens, and investigate and prosecute those who commit federal crimes. >

Biden should have to do no more more no less than Trump had to do to raise the debt limit.  Trump got spending increases. >

Because you're not supposed to negotiate with Terrorists. >

Negotiating with the GOP is like negotiating with a toddler and or terrorists. Both will never be satisfied. >

Republicans admitted to being domestic terrorists at CPAC. You don't negotiate with terrorists as it will only encourage more terrorism. Therefore, we ought not negotiate with the Republicans. If we default, it's 100% on them for not putting the needs of the country above their own petulant desires. >

I remember 2013’s shutdown and how it took money out of my Marine’s pockets while we were in Afghanistan. >

I think McCarthy's side of the one-on-one meeting will be him going "Please? Please? Come on. Oh come on, I'm in a real bind here. I've sold my soul!" while Biden eats ice cream with sunglasses on. >


Biden eats ice cream with sunglasses on.

I can see that. After all, that was his whole campaign. >

No it really wasn't. >

Because Republicans only make the Debt ceiling an issue when there is a Democrat sitting in the White House. Go see who holds the record for debt ceiling increases as a sitting president. REAGAN had 17 ! >

lol this fucking title. why should Biden be negotiating on money that’s already been spent but not paid back? >

You don't negotiate with terrorists. >

Might be an okay idea for President Biden to ask the GOPers for a list of the cuts they want in exchange for actually paying the bills tRump and the GOP ran up. Right now they can tell their lemming base "Biden won't give us respect" and their base buys this as a bad thing. Let them put out what they really want, then see what We the People think about it. 
If they don't put their demands in writing, avoid default by ending all Federal payments in districts represented by the holdouts, then expanding that field to all districts of all Republicans. >

EXACTLY, and that's why President Biden needs to make a nightly news issue of it. there should be lots of film clips of some elected GOPer talking about the need to contain the ENTITLEMENTSm which the actual news could follow with an explanation of what are referred to entitlements (because we're ENTITLED to them and have spent a lifetime contributing our fair share to make sure what we promised ourselves is going to be there when its our turn.