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i don't think it is a generational shift, i think its just an empty fashion statement, and therefore its harmful because it impedes genuine political growth in favor of empty politics revolving around "look at me and how virtuous and moral i am"
"cultural shift in the United States towards paying attention to disadvantaged groups."
Paying attention?  Or patronizing, placating, and infantilizing some while limiting, blaming, and shaming others?
It is good, fair, and right to treat everyone with the respect they deserve.  A person's moral value is not derived from skin color, or sex, or height, or ethnic background, or religion etc. but rather their humanity and their actions.
But this is wholly different from "wokeness" as it is applied.   For example, take the coca cola company that was exposed via a whistle blower that their "confronting racism" training actually contained "be less white".      You cannot solve racism one way by applying it a different way.    And the ridiculous thing is that Coca Cola knows this.  But they do it to earn brownie points with whatever group they are trying to placate.
Much in the same way one cannot say they are for women and girls and need safe spaces for women, and say that this is a woman and his discomfort somehow takes priority over the comfort of biological women and girls.
And then there are universities that, astoundingly, segregate by race in dorms and ceremonies.     One can't have it both ways: either one treats people the same regardless of their race, or one divides, categorizes, and segregates. And in some cases...whatever this is.
And it's not just in the US.   We've seen people arrested for making jokes in the UK for instance.  France has been seeing increased divisiveness culturally as well.
People have been fired for following the "wrong" twitter accounts.  Or for suggesting that men and women are different.  The woke press called Damore's memo "Anti-Diversity", when he was attempting to break what he called an ideological echo-chamber where diversity of views was not allowed. Agree or disagree with his assertions, he was proven correct for being fired for having a different perspective.  It should be noted that Damore is Autistic so it should have come as no surprise that he tends to see things differently but he was fired anyway.
As for the drag stuff, I wonder what is the limit?   We've already seen a "drag kid" dance for men.  I submit that no child should be in a bar, let alone dance for dollars.  If it was a biological, underage female dancing for straight men, I don't think it would be a discussion.  But in the woke mindset, the child is brave and to oppose such acts is bigotry.  "Why are you making such a big deal about this?" comes up quite often in these kinds of discussions.
In extreme cases, woke outrage and ridicule has led some to suicide.
And then there is the less important stuff like wokeness driving really really bad art and entertainment or celebrities complaining about "cultural appropriation."
So no, wokeness is not merely people being sensitive to others who might have had a different life experience or helping to make the world a better place by lending a hand to those who face difficulty.  Everyone would be fine with that.  But instead we have a continually shifting set of standards over which they can be outraged. >

I’d like to see the OP respond to this one >

Seriously.  I'm saving it for future use. >

The problem is that "woke" is such a broad, vague term that it can mean literally anything.
Affirmative action is "woke."
Drag shows are "woke."
The San Francisco proposed plan to give every black resident a lump sum of 5 million dollars in reparations is  "woke."
Hamline University firing a professor for Islamaphobia after showing a classical depiction of Muhammad in an Islamic art class is "woke."
Some of these things might be good. Some of them might be bad. But simply lumping them all into one giant category of "woke" and calling it universally "good" is overly reductive. >

Is there really a SF proposal to give black people 5M? >

So? >

That's it. Not entertaining this troll anymore. 
"So?" 
Gotta be a joke. >

Not trolling. Reparations are good >

Alright. How about it comes out of your wallet first >

Not out of everyone's wallet, in proportion to their tax liabilities? >

The people who are loudest about professing their activism for underprivileged groups too often use it as a shield to criticism against themselves. It's a very easy and effective way to immunize yourself and deflect valid arguments from critics and opponents.
For example, anyone who criticized the 2016 all-female Ghostbusters movie could be labeled and dismissed as a misogynist. That's it. Discussion over.
You can apply this to almost any situation where you are criticizing or questioning an idea (any idea) or action (any action), and they can dismiss your criticism as "being a bigot" because they are a self-proclaimed advocate for the underprivileged, and an attack against them is an attack against the group. "How can you say that? Obviously you don't care about __ , you ___-phobe!" >

Unfortunately, woke isn't as you described it.   Equality is great.  
But your argument is very telling.   You accuse those who disagree with you incapable of understanding.   That is called closed-mindedness, and is typical of the woke left.      
Drag show readings may be nothingness to you, and they're nothingness to me.  The issue is the forum, and not giving parents a choice.   Not everyone has to think the same way.   Wokeness is the cancel culture that stifles creativity and comedy.    Wokeness is finding a post, tweet or article someone wrote 20 years ago, in a different time and holding them accountable against today's standards.  Wokeism is ruining girls sports by saying that a man who grew up into a male frame and muscle structure can declare he's a woman and push actual women off the podium in the name of political correctness.    Wokeism is catering to the 1 at the expense of the 100.
I can tell by your post that nothing anyone said will change your view.  You are too far biased to see the other side, and there always is one. >

Wokeism is identity politics. Its a radicalist ideology, with very dangerous undertones. You have a right to your opinion, but you shouldnt be shaming people for not agreeing with you. And the way you seem to take a moral high ground based on your political stance is pretty immature >

The term "woke" was stolen from the Black vernacular by white progressives which eventually became a term used by conservatives to ridicule out of touch progressives.
Similar thing happened with with term "social justice warrior." Coined by progressives but later adopted by conservatives to ridicule those same progressives.
Wokeism or whatever you want to call is a movement of moral superiority with deeply religious parallels. It is imperative for followers of this new age religion to signal to others on a daily basis how virtuous they are compare to the rest of us heathens and that they are the "good ones", the white saviors of those downtrodden minority groups which never asked to be save. Remember "Latinx"? Yeah, that came from this movement, unintentionally causing massive offense to an entire hemisphere of people.
But at the end of the day, wokeism is all about self-indulgence. That urge to tell people constantly "hey guys, don't forget about me." #thoughtsandprayers. It's straight up narcissistic personality disorder fueled by social media and being one of the in-group. The more you signal how virtuous you are, the more you feed that dopamine monkey and ascend the hierarchy of your church. >

You're familiar with the "white man's burden" philosophy?
"Wokeness" is literally just neo-white man's burden.
Think about it.  The so-called 'woke' want their ideology to supplant the traditional ideologies of peoples around the globe.  It's no different from "bringing civilization to the barbarians" of the imperial era.
Back then it was "they don't believe in the church and haven't developed properly."
Today it's "they don't believe in gender ideology or intersectionality and haven't developed properly."
Same shit, different generation. >

For the far rightwing people out there, they're just constantly outraged and this is nothing new. They've literally been the same for decades. Remember the "war on Christmas" stuff from the 00's? That was basically the same thing and they'd go ape shit whenever someone said "Happy Holidays!."
For the normal American, though, "wokeism" is the really absurd and annoying shit. When I think of "woke" my idea of it is, personally, probably a little bit narrower than that of the average person. What I mean by that is a black mermaid or something isn't what I think of as "woke." 
When I think of "woke" it's like like this video from some Microsoft thing where they go through 4 minutes of "land acknowledgement." This isn't really important, but it's definitely stupid, and, I hate using the phrase, but, virtue signaling. That's literally all it is. Microsoft doesn't give a shit about that, they're one of the richest corporations in the world with tons of human rights scandals. The only reason for them to do this is to try and not seem so evil towards hyper woke 20 year old white girls. 
When I think of "wokeism" it's things like this. It's not really important but it is definitely annoying. It's all theatrical virtue signaling, usually from a corporation or some really naive person in their early 20's. >

I guess my problem is why not call out that specific issue( inefficient use of time to talk about land acknowledgment) and not the idea of “wokeness” itself? >

So. I'm on the left generally. But here's my issue. It's kind of an angle nobody ever brings up.
So. I moved to the us for work in a very woke city. Upon getting there, myself, and all other employees had to take a week long diversity course. It was every day, for around 8 hours. Black, white, male female whatever. Everyone has to go. This has created this strange industry of people who just speak about woke shit. Everyone knows it's nonsense, but you've got to do it. Is it because the company cares about gay marriage? No. It's a liability issue and helps shield them from potential lawsuits. The entire thing is a scam and everyone involved knows it is. That's what drives me insane.
Talking about current events and race and sexuality and all that stuff? I have no problem with it. Even in the workplace I think everyone has become such a snowflake. Both conservatives and wokesters. Just let people work and if some dude is being creepy then report him to hr. He should know by now what being creepy is, and some seminar won't have any effect on him. >

Those seminars do sounds like spams because they really taught you nothing about sexual harassment. The whole me too movement is about work cultures that breed sexual harassment. 
The training is not BS it seems you just need a better program because 1) (as a guy saying this) people don’t understand “what creepy is” and 2) being creep is just 1 of many ways to sexually harass someone. 
I am not sure how “woke” your city is but most guys have done something creepy because being creepy is just be too awkward or/and overly confident. Most creepy things people do to women are ignored because it not worth calling out 10 people a day and coming off unreasonable to people. >


Most creepy things people do to women are ignored because it not worth calling out 10 people a day and coming off unreasonable to people.

If it's not worth calling out, is it really creepy? This seems like the practice of the Russian government, where they make almost everything technically illegal but don't enforce it, so the law is on the books and everyone ignores it. But then when they want to take someone down it's always easy to find something to hold against them. >

Yes, things that are not specifically worth calling out can and routinely are still creepy. I personally find some things in sexual harassment training dumb because like you I also think “who doesn’t know this specific thing”.  Your last two comments are the literally thinks I thought people knew.
Side note the original commenter changed there post drastically from “ every adult knows not to be creepy”
to “report them if he doesn’t know by now he will never learn”
Which is a perfect example of the real problem with sexual harassers. I don’t think the commenter mistyped what they meant and edited it. They test out what standards they can push and when confronted pretend like they meant something else and finds some one else to harass or new way to harass people. >


They test out what standards they can push and when confronted pretend like they meant something else and finds some one else to harass or new way to harass people.

That reminded me of extreme woke, ironically. >

There is nothing wrong with uplifting historically disadvantaged people and telling their stories/history.
The problem becomes when you start attacking other people and trying to force certain narratives that are either unhelpful, flat out untrue, or are irrational.
It seems many “woke” people present themselves are simply hating white, straight and cis people (usually men) or they think POC are superior to them. This may not be exactly true, but the things they say certainly give that impression. They see anyone who doesn’t conform to what they believe as being an enemy. That’s something I find rather insulting, because I consider myself extremely left, but I reject many of their beliefs/arguments. 
Some things that are detrimental to actually move things forward that many “woke” people say. It’s not all but hear are some things I normally hear or have heard before:


White people are inherently racist. Almost similar to the religious idea of “original sin”. They can also never truly be allies because of that “original sin”.


White people “need to be a part of the discussion on race”, yet their opinions are either ignored or vilified.


Same as above for straight and cis people.


If you support some measure of the right to bear arms and you are a white person, you are a racist and don’t care about the lives of others. (For POC to bear arms, it’s okay because they are choosing to defend themselves from an oppressive system)


For some, gender is merely a social construct and doesn’t have any tangible relations to biology. While I agree that gender is mostly performative, to say that gender has ZERO ties to biology is just ridiculous. Also, many want to be gender iconoclasts, but still consider themselves feminists (what?)


To say that being fat is not really healthy is body shaming and you are a horrible person. Just because someone is fat doesn’t make them a terrible person or morally bad in some way. But it’s just clear that being overweight isn’t good for you. I think that people shouldn’t be shamed, but it’s not anything to be encouraged. Or, at the very least, shouldn’t force every single person to accept that it’s wonderful and beautiful lest they become socially ostracized.


To me, these arguments from “woke” people are entirely unhelpful and make things worse. Usually, if you want things to change, you need to have people come to accept it, yes? How does being belligerent and resentful help in any way? Not only that but some of the arguments go so far out there that they are just ridiculous on their face.
Now, because I don’t 100% agree with everything they say, I’ll probably now be labeled as a right-wingnut who just wants to make the world a bad place. I’m all about having the max freedom that people can have but without forcing anyone to do anything within reason (no I’m not a Libertarian).
So how is this making the world a better place again? >

You may very well be a right wingnut, but your rant is an illustration of the staggering levels of projection that are inherent to anybody complaining about wokeness. 
This entire conversation for years now has been almost entirely one-sided. With very few exceptions, no serious person on the left is talking about being woke anymore. The entire thing is outrage porn articles and tweets of some nut doing or saying some nutty thing and  rage-baiting their audience about it. 
They’ve very successfully fabricated a version of THE LEFT that is foaming at the mouth with hatred for everything they love. And that’s what you’re arguing against. 
The only vein of truth I see in your list of grievances is the tendency for the terminally online leftist to be aggressively policing intellectual purity. I find that incredibly annoying and counterproductive. But that’s just it… it’s counterproductive. It’s a recipe for your ideas staying permanently obscure. It’s the exact opposite of the terminal danger to the fabric of WESTERN SOCIETY that Tuck Tuck Carlsbad and Jo Jo Petebog are constantly ringing the alarm bells about.