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Sorry, I don't speak common sense, did you said that we need more guns right?
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Exactly what part of the problem was lack of security, vs lack of attention to reported issues? >

There are less consequences at the top >

This is my son’s school/class. Thankfully in this case the principal, vice principal, super intendant are all gone.
I also agree that it all means nothing if you don’t have the admin to back teachers up. >

Oh Jesus what you have gone through!! My sympathies to you and your community. >

Thanks. Between Covid and this my son has not caught a break in any year he was in school. Here is hoping his complaints can become homework and not worrying about if his teacher or one of his friends are going to die (or almost die). >

Absolutely ridiculous that that's a hope and not an expectation. No kid should ever equate school with mortal terror. I thought the school shooter drills for random strangers were messed up as a kid. I can't stand what it's become today. >

Did they really need to add security? Or just have the existing administrators actually do their job? >

Same thing happened in a school district about an hour away from me. Lots of physical altercations, lots of assaults on teachers. It was not a gun problem, it was a physical violence problem. This district was often in the news because of fighting amongst students or assaults on teachers. Apparently, the language for the criteria needed to have a student face suspension or expulsion for assaulting a teacher was "injury" instead of just "contact". Meaning, a student could shove his pregnant teacher, but as long as she was uninjured the student would not be suspended. They'd be right back in class the very next day. So of course, the teachers realize that it's really only a matter of time with these ticking time bomb kids. It's only a matter of time before they wind up getting seriously hurt. So, they started gearing up for a strike for safer work conditions. The district's solution? "Well, how about we install metal detectors to check for guns?" The teachers were like, "Are you even listening? It's not a gun problem. It's a physical violence problem and a problem with the students not being removed from the school for it." Luckily (for lack of a better word) the shooting in Virginia happened at just the right time for these teachers. It was right as they were preparing to strike. The district realized how screwed they'd be if something ever happened to a teacher despite a long paper trail of previous complaints about the student. Teacher complains 10 times about being shoved, nothing is ever done about it, then one day the teacher is shoved, loses their balance, falls backwards, smacks their head on a desk and suffers brain damage. Well shit. Anyway, the strike was averted and, though I don't know the exact details, it sounds like the teachers got what they wanted. I don't think that would have happened without the Virginia shooting. I think the district would have gone with more security (installing metal detectors for guns when guns weren't even the problem) instead of doing their jobs and suspending these dangerous kids. >

Added Security Theatre, more likely. >

Unfortunately, most likely due to a lack of funding. The fact that there isn’t access control and metal detectors in schools at this point is an indictment on the incompetence of federal, state and local governments. >

You're absolutely right, schools should be more like prisons so a bunch of hicks can go pew-pew with their dick extenders. >

Schools are nothing like prison and this sort of reductionist comparison is harmful to both institutions. >

Fuck off with that. We've got a a political party pushing for single entrances and armed guards. We've already got metal detectors and cops to ensure poor kids find their way to prison. Kids need passes to transit through the building when the school isn't outright requiring escorts in the hallway. Schools constantly go into lockdown for hours at a time, where stude ts are not allowed to leave classrooms for any reason. >

All of this is to keep them safe and to keep the school districts safe from potential lawsuits for not keeping their children safe. Not sure what you want. Kids go home at the end of every day after a period of socialization and education (which is necessary for their development), something which prisoners are not able to do. >

The main punishment and psyche affecting part of prison is the loss of freedom.
Taking the feeling of freedom away from school environments for 6.5 hours a day will have extremely detrimental effects on all children. The other part is the feeling of security which is a base maslow hierarchy need with food and shelter.
The solution isn't to lead every kid in America into 'safety cells', it's to work on causes of the violence and regulations around the access and firearms causing these events.
This exact event could happen in any other country with tight gun regulations.
Also in this incident the bag was searched and gun wasn't found. Bags don't go through the metal detector, they get searched separately. >

The same school that was aware of the gun and did exactly nothing about it. >

And the chances of another kindergartener shooting a teacher at that same school is practically zero. But hey, they are doing something! (Not really) >

They need new admin more than anything else. >

Uvalde schools had their own dedicated Police Department.
Seems like we’re not learning much in this country, especially in our schools. >

The key is that 430th officer. >

Added security is not needed. Just fucking doing something when told over and over a person has a gun is. >

The problem, as always, was the administration of the school - not lack of security.
Stand up to bad parents, stand up for teachers. Kids who are a problem need to go to specialized schools that can handle them. That's it. >

The day I see school administration do things to actually help the students is the day I go buy a lottery ticket and a coat. Hell froze over and I'm still not putting all my faith in the lottery ticket. >

School admin here. 80% of my day is counseling kids to ensure they’re properly reprimanded for the choice they made, but also given tools to ensure they don’t make those same mistakes again. I go home fucking exhausted every day with barely enough energy to pay attention to my own children — and I’ll wake up do it all over again tomorrow.
I truly believe I help at least a dozen kids a day be better than they were when they arrived that day.
Sorry to hear you’ve had such awful experiences with school admin. We’re not all power-hungry, clueless, upward-failures. >

That’s great that you do that. However the problem isn’t bad people in the admin position. It’s that you aren’t subordinate to faculty. That makes you an obstacle rather than an asset. 
Notice how the teachers identified the problem and the solution before their admin were even aware of it? And they felt compelled to ask permission from admin to remove a gun from a child? 
If your job is what you describe, then all the school really needs is a counselor. >

I’m not a subordinate to my staff, but I am a servant to them. My main job (other than keeping kids safe) is to remove obstacles in their way so that they can teach. That mostly means taking management of student behaviors off their hands (as well as running interference with parents, district demands, and other favors a needing attention that they don’t necessarily have the time for).
And we do have a counselor; but counselors can’t deal with discipline. The minute you ask a counselor to discipline, students won’t talk to them ever again. >

You are a far better servant as a subordinate. Servant leadership is unfortunately a little nonsensical to the admin role because it is a hierarchy. That model more applies to things like priests and community organizers. 
The simple truth is that people prioritize their own problems because they feel and experience them. It is natural and inevitable for you, given power, to tend to use others to solve your problems more than you solve theirs. If only for the reason that their problems are quieter than your own. You may resist that, sure, but you are walking uphill and this will not be the norm. 
This ends up being very counterproductive because your role is fundamentally a support role and you are causing the main role to support you instead. They should never spend time doing something for you unless it ultimately makes their job easier (like tracking attendance). 
If you think about those tasks which you describe, what about them requires you to be above teachers in order to perform them? What benefit does the ability to gainsay them really give? Nothing really, beyond the argument of ‘well you can’t trust their judgement’. And consider the potential harm and waste, as we see with this extremely avoidable shooting. 
The simple fact is that people will work to please their bosses and not work to please their employees. Because the admin role is a support role and the teaching role is the main role, it is appropriate for you to either be their subordinate or to be completely separate. >

Nah. You’re weirdly more obsessed with hierarchy more than those who you claim are. It’s a non-issue for effective leaders. >

You may not think it’s an issue, but the vast majority of teachers perceive their relationship with admin as useless or counterproductive.
They look at an instance of a teaching getting shot because of gross negligence on the part of the admin and they say to themselves, that same negligence is the norm for me and everyone else I know. 
Something to realize is that admin is not leadership, but rather management. Leadership plays no part in the role. >

But the problem wasn’t that the gun was undetected. Teachers reported the gun. No one did anything about it. How does security solve this. >

It doesnt solve shit. >

It was more the lack of reaction than the lack of security, right? >

yes. everything they’re doing right now is irrelevant because it’s too little too late. >

I'm a high school student and my school went one day with metal detectors. A gun still got past. Just saying my experiences here. >

I’m from the uk so I don’t really know the social climate but do guns regularly get brought into schools even if they’re not intending to use them? 
I know in the uk it’s not uncommon for people to carry knives at school and never use one, hell I did for a while >

In the US people will blame everyone but the ones who shoot and the ones who supply the gun.   Obvious in the comments. >

People will not fully “blame” the parents because there will be no consequences. I personally feel the parents should be held fully responsible with whatever charges/prison time/etc the child should get if the child was adult age. But we have precedence. In all cases of school shootings where the child was underage, parents were not held responsible for the actions of said child. So people go after the entities that will at least yield some punishment >

Yes they will. But nothing would happen if the parents didn't supply the gun.   So obvious to people from other countries. >

Have charges been filed against the kids parents yet? >

They need to file charges against the administrators who ignored all the warnings in hopes it would just go away >

Them too. The parents because no responsible gun owner is ever letting their 6 year old get their hands on a gun. And the administration for literally just waiting for the shooting to happen >

Seriously, having an unlocked gun in your home when you have a 6 year old is criminally negligent. Having an unlocked gun in your home when your 6 year old is so mentally disturbed they can’t even go to school without you there to control them is so dangerously moronic they should never be allowed to own a gun or have a child in their custody ever again. >

Gotta strap up in case any more six year olds get cantankerous with mama's gun. >

But were the negligent administrators replaced? >

Did they fire all the administrators who made colossally bad/criminal decisions?
That's the first step to safety. >

This. 
If a teacher says "I think this kid might have a gun", fucking listen to them. It doesn't seem like rocket science. >

How about next time a teacher says “hey, a student says he has a gun” three times in a single day to the administration that the admin actually does its friggin’ job. 
Imagine that. >

So what happens to the 6 year old going forward? >

Thank the gods they closed the barn door after the horse got out! >

Barn door, horse, etc. >

wasn't a lack of security. was a lack of everything. they already knew the 6 YEAR OLD had a gun. he was threatening other 6 YEAR OLDS with it. >

I don’t know what the answer is, but this isn’t it. >

What's the point of extra security if they are just going to ignore warnings? >

Honestly, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they posted a sniper on top of the jungle-gym. >

There are new drapes on the windows, but the house is still on fire. >

Hope they hired Charlie and Mac >

Get the Samurai sword ready >

It would have been silly to listen to the educators who reported the gun to administration. 
“well, he has tiny pockets.” 
Great problem-solving!
Better get more guns instead. >

These titles really need to leave in the fact it was a 6 year old boy. It's pretty insane to think about how a 6 year old child can cause this. >

Not really, children can be evil too >

Security, what a joke.  Even if security was involved in the original incident it would have happened....  Not sure why anyone would be excited about a "security" guard on duty now... >

If your local school has security I'd consider move. >

Added security? What exactly is the plan here, have a security guard shoot the next six year old that whips out a pistol? That's where this country is at? Holy fuck. >

Ah yes.  The republican answer is more security.  So helpful. >

We will go to full cavity searches on teenagers before common sense gun control >

Not even teenagers, the kid who shot his teacher was 6 >

Have they suggested arming the other 6 year olds yet? >

Schools in Australia opened with no security no locked doors just freedom to learn >

won't somebody please think of the guns >

They should have added security when they added the murderous student. >

A rash of six year olds gonna come back? >

Can someone please tell me about this mother’s jacket? Does it represent something in particular? A cause or a logo? TIA >

The Hand of Saruman. 
Seriously though, I couldn't for the life of me find any other meaning than Native American symbol for peace and prosperity, and also hand to hand combat. >

I was gonna say “damn dude bad security letting a servant of Sauron through” >

Yup. The white wizard is cunning. >

Little late don't ya think? >

What are they going to do, shoot the students that appear to be a threat? >

What would added security do differently? Shoot the kid? >

More cops means that those three warnings before they do nothing will be super serious. >

Extra security couldn’t even stop a lady wearing the hand of Saruman. The Uruk hai are going to have a field day at that school. >

Lol! For now, until everyone stops paying attention to them. >

Only my only question is. Realistically if this happens again, what's the security going to do? Shoot a 6 year old? >

When ever there is a school shooting you hear of the teachers putting themselves between the shooter and the kids……..you never hear of a cop behaving that way. >

Not enough money for teachers but for security >

Everything was done to try and stop this and the admin let it happen. I hope the teacher gets everything from the admin that failed her. >

I’ve never seen a better example of “closing the barn door after the horses got out”. >

Added security against what? 6 year olds? >

OOOHHHHhhh …. Yeah, (slaps forehead) of COURSE that was where we went wrong! We didn’t have rent-a-cops doing regular pat downs of little kids. Omg, they TOTES nailed this one. >

Panopticon. 
Everything is an excuse to expand the police state and our internal surveillance apparatus. 
Every attempt will be made to deflect from the actual problem and avoid fundamental systemic change. >

I mean, if multiple admins knew the kid had a gun what's more bodies gonna do if they don't report what they see? >

They had plenty of security. They ignored every sign, and did nothing to prevent it ignoring their already existing policies. That child's life is ruined, and someone is dead, and all because the adults in charge did nothing to stop it when they could have. More security wont' change that. >

Let’s just traumatize children at school more with a bunch of assholes dressed up like soldiers preparing for surrender. 
FTP >

A dollar short and a day late. >

damn 6 year olds are like a seal team >

seal team 6 (year olds) >

fuck, how did I miss that? nice >

i just want everyone to know that it’s really NOT funny, but if i don’t laugh i will cry >

I’m with ya, buddy >

The secret is to arm the kids, that way, they can protect themselves and their teachers >

Is the "added security" a free gun for every student? >

Now these kids don't even need to bring guns, they can just steal it from some untrained wannabe cop. >

Or from a real, trained cop. He will be way too terrified to stand up to a six year old who might hurt him. >

As we have seen from thousands of incidents most cops are just bullies who are terrified of everyone and feel powerful only when their victims are already in cuffs. Then suddenly they're tough as they use the person as a punching bag. >


Several police cars were parked at the school as teachers arrived.

Oh great the police will protect us, said nobody >

Before I read this, I bet they took away backpacks... Cause that's the problem here.
Edit: Yep.

Eve Parham said her fourth-grade granddaughter was very excited to return to school, particularly to her archery class. Parham praised the additional safety measures, including the planned distribution of clear backpacks to students.

Conservative parents fuck up, and then put all the burden on their kids.  Story as old as belt marks on asses.
Conservative parents fucked up by:
Keeping a firearm and ammunition near their child.
Keeping a firearm out of a locked safe.
Voting against firearm safety regulations. >


In the statement, the family said the gun allegedly used was secured before the shooting. They also said a family member usually went to class with him, but not the week of the incident.
“Our son suffers from an acute disability and was under a care plan at the school that included his mother or father attending school with him and accompanying him to Class every day,” the family statement says. “We will regret our absence on this day for the rest of our lives.”
The gun was legally purchased by the child’s mother, who could face charges at the end of the investigation, according to Drew source

The parents could be lying but it seems like they literally trained this kid to shoot. Which seems a little excessive for a 6 year old not living in a zombie apocalypse. But if theyre telling the truth then he might've found a way to get past the lock and smuggle the gun away, still a major fuck up for the parents but once you show a kid how to use a weapon its just a matter of 'when' not 'if'. >

they’re lying through their teeth; along with the care plan. if that were true the child would not have been allowed at school without a parent for that day, as the “care plan” would be a legally binding document that needs to be followed. >

How many of our children in this country are growing up with PTSD from seeing daily occurrences with gun violence? >

I think about the kids in her classroom who witnessed this and I get so sad and angry. They are so little. And kids feel things so intensely at that age. >

How are those children ever going to feel safe at school for the rest of their lives? They are forever changed because of this. >

Guys, the point is to do something BEFORE the deaths occur. Jeezus fucking christ, people are dumb as fuck.