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Cars aren’t designed specifically to kill.
If you check cnn right now the half moon bay shooting isn’t even the main story, it’s scary how normalized this has become. >

Is mass shooting a sport now? Wtf is happening >

We have no mandated healthcare, vacation time, or proper wages. 
People are poor, they often can’t afford a decent diet, and they lack the education to know what a decent diet looks like when they can afford it. 
People are stressed because they can’t get a decent job with real benefits. 
And then everyone acts shocked when societal rules fall by the wayside and people tear each other apart. 
The solutions are really fucking obvious, but the democrats would rather keep pontificating about guns and the republicans would rather keep fundraising on conspiracy theories. 
Nothing is going to change until people have stable lives. Healthcare, mental healthcare, paid time off, living wages, and education. >

None of that is central to why this is happening. If it was, it would have been more prominent in the past when we also lacked all those things. Mass shooters tend not to be poor. Plenty of poor countries with lower quality of life tend not to have this level of mass shootings.
It's primarily the dual issue of massively easy access to guns (given our gun per capita ratio) combined with an increasing culture of aggressive individualism. Mass shooters tend to be people who were raised in poor environments / in conservative areas and fell into aggro gun culture. >

What do you know of mass shooters? You see the ones that the news calls out. That’s one or two out of the many. 
You have no idea what inspires those people to do such things. 
Unless you’re secretly an FBI profiler, but I strongly doubt it. >

It’s not hard to recognize patterns with these people. Don’t be so dense as to think it’s all some great unsolvable mystery. Almost every mass shooting falls into the “white male who experienced trauma growing up in a regressive culture and decided the biggest thing he could do with his life is go out killing people” or “black male who grew up in an impoverished area and experienced trauma in a regressive culture and decided the biggest thing he could do in life was be a tough criminal”
Only a few edge cases like Sandy Hook are there people who are genuinely mentally deranged. >

Okay yeah I think you get it: solve the underlying issues and we’ll solve the violence problem. 
Access to healthcare. Access to mental healthcare. Living wages. Paid time off. >

Yeah, it's easier to solve the human condition before implementing any effective laws, like every single other first world country. /s >

A law like Medicare for all? 
I agree. 
Let’s start there please. >

You might not like it, but there is a considerable overlap between countries with worse healthcare and less gun violence than USA. >

Cool. 
Can we start with social medicine? What’s the worst thing that can happen?
Because I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a lot easier to start there than to repeal a constitutional right that’s right up there with speech and privacy. >

They are saying his house is surrounded by swat right near here I am still hearing sirens >

Do you know if they think he is there in the house? >

I think that's what they think. I just got messaged the bus won't be running from my kids school >

Stay safe. >

This is a little over an hour away from me. I can’t imagine working at a gas station (probably hating your job already) and getting shot and killed for no fucking reason. >

Same here. A couple of my coworkers passed by the scene this morning, not realizing it was three people. They only saw one body at the time. It just keeps getting closer, and closer to home. >

Suspect killed himself after telling his mother he did it. >

~~They have the suspect in a standoff on west birch rd in Moxee I can see it from outside my work.~~ 
Must not have been the right car. 
Now they say they are looking for a blue Chrysler 200 that came into Moxee.
The schools here in moxee just sent out lockdown alerts. >

Not sure if it was there originally but the article identifies a suspect.

Police identified the suspect as 21-year-old Jarid Haddock of Yakima County.
He allegedly fled in a car believed to be a gray or silver Chrysler 200, the chief said.

His age combined with his photo leads me to before it's not another old Asian guy shooter. This seems to be a more normal young white guy shooter. >

He even wore white sneakers for the killings. And stole a car after. 
He's breaking the profile not dressing in military gear, taking himself out or doing suicide by cop. >

Latest news is, he took himself out. >

I'm so sick of the discussion of what qualifies as a "mass shooting."  What's the point? Is there any legitimate reason to downplay what is obviously a massive problem? Is the constant threat of being shot at random any less if we redefine mass shootings? Edit: spelling >

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "random"
most of our leaders and the public would dismiss a mass shooting event if it was between too rival gangs or cartels, since it would meet initial expectations.
NYC for example would have a couple of gang members shot, and it would barely make the news with very few followup.  However if someone was shot in times square, the entire NYPD is on the case and in a recent example, track the dude in Georgia? on a road trip? >

Idk if you know how close this is to the jokers lil speech to Harvey dent in the dark knight >

Yet another mass shooting. It’s gotten to the point that I don’t feel nothing no more when I hear about it. Sucks people, including me, in America have to keep their guard up in public places. >

2023 setting all kinds of records. Just not the kind anyone wants >

This is the part where someone says it's not a gun problem, but a mental health problem. This is also the part where they reject anything that could lead to fixing said mental health problem. >


it's not a gun problem, but a mental health problem

it is though, it's insane how many countries have legal guns and no such shit happens, almost every news about a shooting in a first world country leads to the US >

How many countries have legal guns with the same availability? In America guns are rampant in comparison to some of these other countries. Poverty is also insanely high for a first world country.    
It’s almost as if indicators for a healthy society are all ignored and blamed in a cyclical pass the blame game. If we removed guns the worst violence we would have is below gun violence. Which doesn’t sound to bad to the vast majority of people who have no use for a gun in America. >


How many countries have legal guns with the same availability?

even Canada has 34.7 guns per 100 persons, and those 100 persons include children who can't own one yet we very rarely hear of mass shootings in Canada
it's very easy to get even a semi-auto in Switzerland and you don't hear about any mass shootings either
inb4 "US has a way bigger population" - so what? Even if we scale it down it's still an insane amount comparing to any other first world country
as to removing guns, take UK for example, there are barely any guns and you still hear about more people going on a rampage with a knife/acid/even trucks than shootings in Canada or Switzerland
or Mexico, where gun laws are very restrictive and yet the gun crime rate and gang-related shootings are insanely high 
not to mention the export of illegal firearms from Mexico to USA, you'd be basically disarming those who own a gun and don't commit crimes and the criminals would get guns illegally anyway >

You can even keep your government issued fully automatic in Switzerland. It used to be standard practice until the EU pressured them to tighten up on gun control. >

And so the bloodshed continues. Five mass shootings in 72 hours. Five.
It never ends, and it only never ends because of our political situation and the fact that our gun-obsession is engraved into our nation's DNA. >

We are a nation literally founded on and sustained by selfishness and violence.
At this point I honestly don't see how this is going to get any better without some serious social upheaval. The kind that ends up killing a lot of people in the process.
Scary shit man. >

We are the modern day "comic book" version of Sparta... a civilization that is bombarded with gun/war/violence propaganda since birth. Nerf guns, water guns, video games, military worship, and... ya know the fact that we've essentially been the top superpower economically and militarily since WW2, where we can't go a decade without getting into some sort of conflict or war. We are aggressive. We are nationalistic. We have it in our history to be skeptical of authority and that everyone has the right to defend themselves (like, it's part of our inception). We're a gun culture and always have been. The US was and still is the wild west. The frontier expansion and fighting natives off their own home soil. We are expansionist. We are "exporting" democracy by force. Yep. That is our history and owning a gun, squirrel hunting, plinking cans, Johnny joining the Marines, living life and roughing it and embracing a militaristic, tough guy, cowboy mindset... is as American as apple pie.
It ain't just about the 2A... it is literally asking the US of A to change its cultural identity. Anyone that knows anything about organizational behavior knows culture is the hardest thing to change. Telling Americans (where there are more guns than people) to surrender their guns is like telling a Spartan citizen to give up his shield and spear to the gayboys in Athens (at least the comic book version of Sparta).
I'm not trying to sound like one of those tough guys. But asking Americans to give up their guns is like asking them to give up their cars. It really is. You need a car to go to and from work. You need it to go to the grocery. You need it to socialize. We are a mandatory car culture. Americans feel the exact (if not even more strongly) about their firearms. The constitution doesn't protect car ownership. But if you regulated cars or banned them, the country would implode. And it's not even a protected "right" in the Constitution. While owning firearms is a protected right. Although most people don't wield that right on a daily basis (like they do driving a car), the simple fact of having something that can offer protection to your family  is the one cultural line that will never get crossed in America.
When people bring up guns, they are questioning one of America's most tightly held cultural beliefs. It is and will be as Amercian as apple pie. It very much would spark social outrage beyond anything the country has ever seen, the Civil War included. >

UK has all those things and they don't have mass shootings on anywhere close to the same level. >

I don't think you have more guns than citizens though? There are so many guns this country, it's stupid easy for pretty much anyone to get ahold of a gun. >

Precisely 
If it's about mental health and inequality and social deprivation, that's not unique to the US 
But we don't have school shootings or regular incidences of mass shootings because of the lack of guns
And of course the retort is well then they'll use a knife, what about uk knife crime 
And yes there is a tragic problem with young inner city teenagers stabbing each other over tit for tat beefs. But the rate of murders due to knife crime is still higher in the US than the UK. 
And yes there have been bomb attacks by terrorists. But not weekly. Or three in 2 days.
Given suicide bombers don't give warning before they blow themselves up, unclear how having a gun is going to help you defend yourself against being eviscerated. 
(Nb while kids in the US have shooter drills, I remember being at school in the 90s doing bomb drills because of IRA bombings. Thankfully no more. Still unclear how having weapons would have helped defend against a van full of c4.)
ETA: but this is irrelevant. We are not the US. You have your own culture and your own laws. Your constitution is a historical artefact to be preserved, unlike other countries where constitutions are updated to reflect the society its citizens live in. There's no body count of actual dead Americans high enough that would be sufficient for many people to give up their sacred right to guns to defend against hypothetical government tyranny. 
But It doesn't matter what any other country does or what we think, we don't understand the situation in the US - but you're your own culture with your own history and your own laws. >

I don't really have any retorts; the situation is just so fucked up, and I'm not informed enough about English culture to respond. 
It's personal for me; gun violence has cost me immensely. I don't like the gun situation in America, but I refuse to be a victim of it again. I carry a gun for protection, and so the problem is perpetuated. It's easy to have lofty ideals, but the reality is that guns aren't going anywhere, any time soon. Our collective hearts need to be ripped out many more times before we say enough is enough. I'll be the first to lay down my guns if everyone else is handing theirs over, too. 
What do you think is the main difference between our societies, barring the obvious? Are we just more violent? >

You're more individualistic 
I mean, it originates from gaining independence from the tyranny of the British government. 
Your culture is about rugged individualism - the US constitution is a global outlier in being exclusively a charter of negative rights. The positive rights that other countries protect in law, are seen as anti American. 
I live in inner London. The cops here don't carry guns and they literally deal with criminals every day. 
If they don't need a gun, I certainly don't need one. 
But the existence of guns escalates. They don't need guns because the vast majority of criminals don't have guns - because as soon as they're caught with a weapon, that automatically adds years and years to their sentence. 
I get public transport and walk home at night in inner London. Carrying pepper spray or a gun would make me feel much more unsafe than I do currently. 
You have guns so people feel they need guns. And so on and so on. 
It's your culture. And of course it's your constitutional right. And schoolchildren seem to be a necessary sacrifice to protect that sacred right. Americans giving up guns is as likely as Americans giving up cars. It's a different context and a different culture. >

That's a fair assessment. Tragic reality we've created for ourselves. >

It's really really sad. Outside the US our hearts ache every time these stories appear, but I hate that they're hardening. Because it's hard not to feel anger over sympathy, thinking 'well they won't do anything about it, and it'll just keep happening'. In UK, Aus & NZ our response to one mass shooting was to change the gun laws. But as the response to successive massacres of children from so many Americans is 'fuck you don't take away my guns', I hate that I'm becoming desensitised to it. 
It's tragic and my heart goes out to all those mourning. I'm so sorry. >

Sunday there was that mass shooting not far from here. Then I get home last night and another two mass shootings.  Come home boot up my computer and another mass shooting . >

Do pro gun people show up in mass in posts like these?
All the mass shooting posts today have unusual voting patterns for the story.
This comment will get downvoted also >

I am up voting you to prove you wrong. >

Suspect was arrested in 2020 for car jacking >

to be fair he stole a car that was left running.
he didnt carjack it, as in threaten the woman with violence and take her car. >

Christ these things seem to happen on days that end in "y" at this point. >

Media coverage inspires copycats. Ever since The executive branch has been peddling a new assault weapons ban, the news has made it a point to cover shootings WAY, WAY more than before. We actually have had less shootings this year so far than we did last year at the same time. But they’re trying to change that apparently. >

It's incredible that we've gotten to the point where people are blaming proposed gun control laws and media coverage of those laws instead of actual guns for mass shootings. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life. >

It’s just as ridiculous to blame an inanimate object. When was the last time you blamed a car for a traffic accident fatality when a drunk driver was behind the wheel? Or how about when a man drives his family off of a cliff? You didn’t blame the car, you blamed the person, right?