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These all sound like you problems, my guy. Nothing on this list says something about motorcycles. You don't like agresive/careless drivers. Boo-hoo nobody does!
There are whole countries where motorcycles are the primary mode of transportation and outnumber cars… you get used to it. You don’t have to drive like an idiot or too fast. It’s a phenomenal way to get up and down rough terrain in mountainous areas. >

Pretty much what I was gonna say. Versatility, especially in a congested urban environment like mine, is a godsend. Really is a case of “the bad apples spoil the bunch” because there are millions and millions of people who drive their bike safely (without lane filtering) and don’t have loud pipes. >

lane filtering is unsafe? >

No it’s actually safer in most cases if done correctly. >

I've known two people killed in motorcycle accidents and one who suffered irreparable brain damage.  None of them were at fault in these accident, just other drivers not paying attention. >

Other drivers is one of the biggest reasons I wouldn't get a motorcycle (the other being Michigan weather).
My car was totaled last year when I got rear-ended while waiting for a traffic light to change.  I had been stopped for a bit so it wasn't like I slammed on my brakes and the guy behind me couldn't stop in time.  He was just looking at his phone or something instead of looking at the road.
Luckily, I was only sore for a couple days with no major injuries.  If I had been on a motorcycle, I'm pretty sure I'd have at least broken something if not worse. >

If your car was totaled, you would have been too.
From what I understand, most motorcycle fatalities are from exactly what you describe. Not entirely sure tho. >

There would have been a pretty good chance of being squished between two vehicles.  My car did get pushed into the car in front of me.
The repair estimate was over $6k so they considered it totaled and paid out about $8.5k. >

That's why you're taught not to pull up directly behind a car when riding a motorcycle.  You pull off to the side so that you can possibly scoot by the car if needed, or if you do get hit from behind it will push you past the car in front of you and not into it. >

I’ve seen many, many more idiotic car drivers than motorcycle riders. >

Exactly.. That’s why they’re dangerous. And that’s why people that drive them are idiots. Being a responsible motorcycle driver doesn’t change your safety. Some.. But not much. >

They're not dangerous, people not caring about other's safety are the real danger. I don't care about motorcycles but there are good reasons for a lot of people owning them, specially in certain cities. They're cheaper, the insurance is also cheaper, typically they're cheaper to fix, the overall gas consumption is less than a car, you can easily maneuver and park in tight spots. Where I'm from, there's a lot of older people that end up buying "low end" motorcycles cause it makes their lives easier. We shouldn't blame or call someone an idiot for owning a vehicle that's been around for ages now. >

I respectfully disagree. They are dangerous. Accidents can happen to anyone, even the best drivers and even with no other vehicles involved.
And if something does happen, there is nothing to protect you or stop you from becoming a human catapult >

Sounds like you're talking about one specific group of people, which is exacerbated by the fact that only hard-core people drive motorcycles due to their inherent danger caused by cars. >

I have never seen a person on a motorcycle text while driving, which is nice. >

I have. Got stuck behind a guy on a motorcycle who kept wavering throughout the lane while he one-fingered texted on his phone. 
Kept freaking me out every time he slammed the breaks. I could not get out from behind him faster. >

That man just wanted to die. >

Probably. I just wanted to go home. >

Around where I live, there are plenty of "Watch for Motorcycles!" signage and public service announcements.
My father still rides quite a bit in his retirement years, mostly on back country roads.
With that said, my personal experiences with motorcycle users has not been a positive one. I've encountered many reckless drivers (as well as many perfectly behaved ones). I once had a biker punch through a full line of cars- mine included stopped at a highway exit. I think they got within 6 inches of my mirrors.
A staple of my teenage years was whole motorcycle groups going through small towns, just overawing everything with sound.
Overall?
I think they have their place. They can be fun. I've just been less than impressed with who I've run across driving them over the years, and where exactly they are driving them around. >

Driving a motorcycle is absolutely more dangerous than driving a car. >

They are also more fun than driving a car >

It's just like going to work but now you get the excitement of a measurable increase in risk that you might die..... >

You cant win if you never dare in life. >

Dare to be a road crayon :) >

Meh, still a cooler death than anything you'd get in a car. >

I'm not a fan but it's hard to say there's "nothing good about them" when one considers the fuel economy, simplicity, and low ownership costs that make them the main mode of transportation in many, many parts of the world. >

Disagree with #2  
It is a squeaky wheel gets the grease thing, your average rider is reasonable, but the ones who do stupid stuff stick out way more in your mind.   
As for the nothing being good about them. 50+ miles per gallon is a pretty good plus. While I no longer ride because of #1 I will say that there are very few things that can compare to having a nice long mostly empty stretch of highway on a motorcycle. >

There’s nothing good about them? What about fuel efficiency. >

Its not the miles per gallon. Its the smiles per gallon >

My insurance agent was telling me that motorcycle insurance is way cheaper that car insurance.  I was a little shocked so I asked why.  His response, " caskets are cheaper than healthcare." >

You don't kill other people when you crash your motorcycle. You do in a car. >

I remember a lady getting killed because of a motercyclist driving too fast, went through a red light and t boned another car, and flew onto the sidewalk and pretty much headbutted a woman while flying. Freak accident but dont think anyone is safe while you do your hoodrat shit. >

All over the world, motorcycles make transportation function. They’re far better for congestion, use far less fuel, and take up less space when stored. 
The problem is that they became associated with criminals and other unsavory elements in America and this basic commuter riding never developed to the same degree. Bikes here are overpowered and sold for their badass image, rather than their practicality. The danger of motorcycles is largely due to cars that are bad at sharing roads rather than the bikes themselves. 
Lots of idiots ride idiotically. That’s true but that’s an issue with the people, not the machines. Also, motorists are rarely endangered by motorcyclists so even with those idiots, motorcycles are less dangerous to the genera public. >

It seems that you have more of an issue with people as it pertains to the use of motorcycles rather than the motorcycles themselves. 
Is it the bike itself that causes death or injury? I mean, it’s possible there’s a mechanical error. Usually the issue is either the person operating the motorcycle or another person operating another vehicle. 
Idiot drivers = people. Although I have heard some animals can drive.
Hard to see when they weave out of traffic? Sounds like an issue with the person driving. If they’re driving where and how they’re supposed to be as are you, shouldn’t be too much of an issue. 
Loudness, I will give you a little credit on that one. But if you’re concerned about visibility, this will at least help you hear them as they zoom about. 
Number five, yeah that’s fricken irritating.. you got me there. >

Loud bikes save lives! >

That’s a myth, it always has been. It’s the same type of people who modify their cars to be loud, they don’t care about noise pollution or being disruptive. And as someone who drives a quiet EV and has normal hearing, you can’t hear them until they’re right on your side, that’s just basic physics. >

Motorcycles are the best.
Cost effective (last longer for the money spent than cars/SUVs/trucks)
50 miles to the gallon
Insurance is $200 per YEAR
Can repair myself
Can park is small spaces
Hella fun >

if you consider that in colder climates, you’d only get to use them for like 4-5 months, the efficiency becomes questionable >

I live in Northern Minnesota, so that's already part of my assessment >

I hope you have a dualie. The potholes are crazy. >

I do have to be careful on strange roads 😅 >

In my early 20s I had a total of two, ever since I saw a ninja in a movie I wanted one.  Anyway I had a small group that had em as well.  They all wiped out, some left with road rashes, others with pins and what not in their legs.  I always respected mine, and drove defensively for the most part.  But there is nothing better than waking up on a perfect 75 degree day and riding a motorcycle, haven't had one in years but if you can escape without crashing in the end it really is a joy, and much cheaper than a car in the summer. >

Yeah cars never kill anybody, are driving by idiots, freak out when driving, have shitty mufflers or idiots playing music too loud or pull in and out of spots without checking. >

India and China would like to disagree. >

Or pretty much anywhere outside North America >

If more people ride motorcycles cities would have way more parking >

For every stupid motorcycle rider there are 5 more stupid car drivers >

Like the one who pulled out in front of me.
Fuck you and your shitty ass car, grandma!
(It truly was a sad car, it was a REALLY beat up late 90’s Toyota Camry in a goldish silver color.)
Edit: I was on my bike at the time as well. >

If you look at the deaths per mile statistc, which is way more relevant, motorcycles are unfortunately way more dangerous than cars. >

Anybody ever notice bicycles is pronounced bi-sickle (short i) but motorcycles is pronounced motor-cy (long i)-kles. >

Huh… anyone have a reason for this? >

Yea they are dangerous but every vehicle you operate is dangerous. I’ve noticed more people speed in their cars than on motorcycles and weave in and out of traffic. Cars are driven by idiots too. They may be hard to see but their pipes are loud so you can hear them. It’s safer to have loud pipes. >

I gladly prefer someone driving fast in a motorcycle that they can maneuver properly out of someone's way, than an idiot driving an old SUV. I can't even count the amount of times I've seen a-holes driving old ass SUVs, with breaks that barely function, failing miserably at overtaking someone who's simply driving at legal speeds.  Worst is when they're trying to get into the road, they see you approaching really close and kick their gas pedal like it's a Formula1 race, just for them to stay put in the middle of the street because their car can't even accelerate properly. >

Sincerely,
A guy that has never had one. >

Dangerous? Yes, more than a car, less than you think. It keeps you alive and alert.
Loud? That's just douchebags that put loud pipes on their bikes. Mine is very quiet.
Parking spots are your issue, not mine. I try to park on the curb, last thing I want it someone running into my bike. 
Hard to see? Yeah, goes hand in hand with the "usually ridden by idiots". Bikers have a variety of categories, from the sport bike guys looking for a cheap, fast adrenaline rush, to middle-aged dads cosplaying as badasses on their Harleys, to your local BMW riding, Starbucks sipping uncle who just wants to ride. 
I guess you're American, and I get you. Bikes are seen as toys there, but in many parts of the world (be it in Europe, Asia, Africa or Latin America), they're an efficient way to get around and there's a whole culture around them, not reserved for niche audiences but to everyone - teens, adults, moms, grandpas, whole families. >

A lot of motorcycle riders feel the same about people who drive cars. My dad is a responsible rider and has had soooo many close calls because of people in cars not paying close enough attention. I do agree that there are tons of idiots riding but it can go both ways. >

Cars are the absolute worst:
1. Dangerous (how many deaths and injuries happen EVERY day!!?!?)
2. Usually driven by idiots looking at their cell phones, eating food, don't understand basic traffic rules. 
3. Don't look for anyone around them, regardless of size.
4. Too obnoxious: stereos, rolling coal, inflammatory bumper stickers, lane hogs. 
5. Often can't park within the lines at a lot. >

What is "rolling coal"?
And I think each of these points is only a small minority of drivers >

And OP listed what I--a motorcyclist--consider to be a small minority of drivers.  
However, the sheer number of people I see looking at their cell is astronomical. >

Number 3 is proof you're not the driver you think you are. NOTHING should be able to surprise you while driving. Pay more attention or sell your car. >

Depends, I've gotten surprised once by someone riding a motorcycle pretty fast on my right side, when the lights just turned green. Since it's a city road, you normally overtake on the left (cars can't literally pass you anywhere else but your left side), so I wasn't expecting someone pulling out of nowhere, in such a tight spot that is between my car and the sidewalk. >

While I agree motorbikes CAN sneak up on you, it’s mostly idiot drivers that do things like you mentioned and they would be just as bad if a driver in a car. 
Bad drivers always stick out, and motorbikes stick out more as you may not remember a lot that drive normally, or they sit 3/4 cars behind you and you don’t spot them as they aren’t driving thorough traffic like a maniac. 
I’m in the UK so it’s different here, but I live in a place that has a lot of motorbike traffic due to the country roads, and 95% of them drive safe, and are respectful of cars and traffic laws. 
The 5% that are asshats stick out, and don’t always last very long. 
Everyone things they are the best driver in the road, both car and motorbike users, and it’s a unhealthy mentality. 
Also, driving a motorbike made me a better driver. When I drive my car I’m a lot more aware of things around me since on a motorbike you have to be. >

Ho I have no issues with people driving motorcycles, just one or two times. If I'm driving I can always see the bike trying to overtake and I'll gladly move a bit to the side so they can do it easily. 90% of bikers I've seen on the road never give me any trouble and in fact signal more than any other idiot acting like they own the road. Only issues I've had, and were really minimal, it's with UberEATS drivers that will bullshit their way out of traffic. >

Oh I totally understand. 
It’s the same as the “BMW drivers are terrible” (if you have that in America like us Brits do). It’s because once someone says it you get confirmed bias on it (you remember the Asshole BMW drivers and tend to forget the rest) and then it’s set, all BMW drivers are terrible. 
It also mostly starts as a joke, like “Oh that BMW is right up my ass (on my bumper)”, “Oh he didn’t signal, typical BMW am I right?”- same thing happens with motorbikes, and it probably doesn’t help that in media a motorbike is a sign of a rebel and not the sign of a dad just going to his 9-5 office job. >

I'm from Portugal, we also have the "All BMW drivers are terrible" stereotype here. Altho it's mostly because they park literally everywhere except where you're supposed to. >

Oh that’s awesome! I figured due to the time-zone and what time it is currently it was more likely you were American, but I heard Portugal is lovely! I want to visit one day. >

Haha that's because my sleep schedule is turned upsidedown, but thank you! It's indeed a beautiful country to visit, altho currently we are facing some outrageous living expenses. Hope you can visit it someday! I've never went to the UK myself, but it has been on my bucket list for quite a few years now, unfortunately never got the chance. >


Argument is stupid, if my friend died in a car crash would I call cars the worst? No.

"Usually" Generalization. You can say that about cars and it will make perfect sense.


& 4. Don't you notice them if they're so loud? Also a generalization. >

No, your rebuttal to #1 is what's stupid. You're clearly speaking as someone who has never had to respond to motorcycle accidents where what would have been a basic fender bender in a vehicle turns into pulling body parts out of other cars or scraping up pieces of flesh off the highway. There's no small wrecks on a motorcycle beyond laying it down, and even then, you're running a cheese grater across your entire body. Your friends odds of surviving an accident are much higher in a car than on a motorcycle. >


Your friends odds of surviving an accident are much higher in a car than on a motorcycle

And there odds of surviving would be much higher if they took the bus instead of driving a car. Literally everyone makes compromises in safety for the sake of either convenience or enjoyment. >

The main reason people drive them it’s because they’re way cheaper then cars >

I think this depends on where you live. Where I live in suburban northern USA, motorcycles are almost always second vehicles owned by someone who already has a car. They usually only driven for enjoyment on days with nice weather, not as a primary form of transportation. >

USA is the exemption, it is the most car centric country in the world, not a criticism just a fact, I am from Brazil, and motorcycles are the primary way of locomotion for people of less money available, it’s also the vehicle used by delivery people.
My guess is that the number of motorcycles is the same as cars. >

TLDR- I’m a sissy. >

Same amount of transportation, less then half the gas. There’s your good. >

I see the appeal of them, but after working in an ER and seeing the side effects of stupidity from both the motorcyclist and other drivers, I'll stick with Jeep wranglers. >


depends on how you ride and the drivers around you. Drivers could be better tbh. 
not my experience. Never heard of a biker that killed a pedestrian or a car driver. Probably happens but is so rare where I am (UK)
Get yourself on a hazard perception test - you can train yourself to recognise them easier with it. Also, eyesight can degenerate, if you struggle it might be an issue with sight. In lots of places (like here in the UK) the "weave" you mention is called filtering and is legal. Its why people buy motorbikes as well as the fact its 1/5th the price to travel per mile.
Depends on the bike. Some of the older bikers I've known will say "loud pipes save lives" for this reason.
This just makes you look like a bad driver if you're blindly swinging into parking spaces without checking them to be clear first. I would suggest 3. to you again - get refreshed on driving >

“Loud pipes save lives” if your vehicle is required to be so obnoxiously loud it wakes up an entire street at night lest you die, it’s a poor and selfish means of transport. >

You know, all of that can change when drivers stop, look and wait for motorcyclists to pass the junction. 🤷‍♂️ >

People deserve to get woken up at 3AM by old mate riding the Harley cause motorcyclists should get preference at intersections? Doing a great job proving how unselfish it is 😆 >

You're making a strawman right there. >

My only complaint has consistently been directed at the attempted justification of excessively loud exhausts. >

As someone whose husband had a motorcycle crash - other motorists are usually the problem. Don't get me wrong, there are the chaotic weavers, speeder, future organ donors. But more often, there are good men and women wearing the right equipment, using their turn signals, revving those loud engines so CARS don't run them over.
In our situation, teenaged idiots who didn't know you actually needed lug nuts to keep a tire on. And someone driving without good brakes.
Did I mention they're both uninsured?
Cops and medics told him if he would have been in his car, he would have been killed. Since he was on a bike, he jumped off before an idiot could murder him. 
Idiots ruin good lives and things.