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Nonsense. If Russia use a nuke no one knows wtf will happen. Were in unknown territory
Let’s mass breed and keep thousands of animals susceptible to avian flu in filthy horrific conditions … Gee, I wonder what could happen?! Smdh >

What happens is millions of human beings eat good protein everyday. The industry props up supermarkets, restaurants, frozen food. Virtually everyone eats this stuff. >

Mink? Because it’s the minks that have the ability to potentially cause an avian virus to adapt to a mammalian one. I’m guessing though you meant chickens but they aren’t an issue. Mink are specifically the issue here & they’re bred for luxury fabric, not food. >

Good point. I first thought "Well we're already culling chickens for bird flu so why would we be worried about Mink? Isn't that the same?"
Then I realized Minks are mammals. It is worse and creating a environment for easier adaptation. It's the intermediary selecting a virus, ensuring it is suited for infecting us. >


This has potential to get disaster-movie bad.

Again? >

Avian flus have a higher morality rate than COVID. >

That's a huge understatement. 
The deadliest COVID strains have a mortality rate in humans of around 1%. That's enough to overwhelm our hospitals and shut down global society.
Now imagine a global respiratory pandemic with a mortality rate of 60% to 80%. That's some avian flu strains. We've been incredibly lucky that none of these super-deadly strains have developed human-to-human transmission so far.
That said, if COVID has taught us anything, it's how to design, manufacture, and distribute vaccines really quickly, and influenzas are easier to make vaccines for than coronaviruses.
There's also the possibility that if/when avian flu mutates to become easily transmissible between mammals, it may also become much less deadly, which is what happened in lab experiments. But we can't necessarily count on this outcome, which is why these incidents are a cause for concern, and why it would be a really good idea to ban farming mink (they're susceptible to both avian and human flu, so they're ideal "mixing vessels" for a zoonotic mutation to arise in). >


Now imagine a global respiratory pandemic with a mortality rate of 60% to 80%. 

Depending on how transmissible it would be in humans, that would make the refrigerated trucks to hold dead COVID patients look like a joke. There could be bodies lining the streets if it was as bad as COVID. It probably won't be as easily spread as COVID but it would still shut everything down much more severely if it ever makes the jump. To the point that any shipping, travel, even leaving ones own neighborhood or house would be heavily restricted. >

At 60-80% mortality, you think there would be any organized group left to enforce the restrictions? >

Well, that depends on how quickly and easily it spreads. But if it is anything like COVID (which is unlikely), in that case I'd think people would self-restrict just from fear. 60-80% death rate isn't something anti-vaxxers and deniers can just raise their noses at and call fake news. There would be literal piles of bodies everywhere, with people burying their family members in their backyard because of how overwhelmed all the health services would be. That is, if they're even functional at that stage. COVID wasn't even that bad in the sense that a lot of people didn't even show symptoms at all and the majority of people just got better at home, and even that pretty much crippled health services in a lot of places. 
There has been ~670 million cases of COVID in the last 3 years, that'd be 400+ million people dead worldwide, 60+ million people dead just in the US. I'd think people would be too scared to even get close to another person if that were the case. For comparison, the Spanish flu killed like 25-50 million worldwide in a span of ~2 years, COVID itself is at 6.8 million right now in 3. 
It more than likely will not be as easily spread as COVID if it ever gets to the human-to-human transmission stage, but even if it's like a tenth of that, it would be pretty scary. Scary enough for the vast majority of people to restrict themselves even without anyone to enforce it. >

with such a high death rate etc... i wonder how even society could exist at all. I mean food production, delivery/transport process, etc. would be affected by it probably so heavily that survival would become very difficult >

In the worst case scenario, it probably won't. Water, electricity, and food would be pretty hard to get with all the people that would normally keep things working getting sick and dying, or refusing to be around other people. I don't think anyone is really prepared to live in a world like that. Even those preppers that have like a bunch of beans stocked up would struggle. We can only really hope that if this thing jumps to spreading among humans that it can't spread out of control very easily. >

Cmon!  Everyone will pull together, wear masks, isolate themselves and work for the greater good.  I’m sure we’ll all be fine!  /s >

And if a proven, working vaccine is developed, everyone will protect themselves. >

I’m vaccinated and boosted as a precaution, but I was never under any illusions that it is a proven, working vaccine.
What it is is the less risky alternative to getting Covid with a naïve immune system.
Apart from that it’s still a roll of the dice what happens next. >


What it is is the less risky alternative to getting Covid with a naïve immune system.
Apart from that it’s still a roll of the dice what happens next.

What exactly is it that you think might happen next if not just going about your life? >

It's the classic case of the old mink in the coal mine. >

The African swine flu has devastated the swine industry in the Philippines. >

African Swine Fever is a very serious viral disease for pigs, but it is not a flu and poses no harm to humans other than economic and mental health impacts. >

at least the African swallow is non migratory >

Before everyone panics this outbreak took place three months ago. This concern needs to be monitored but this is a clickbait title. >

But the avian flu outbreak just continues to get worse globally, so this is very relevant and very alarming. >

Nah it’s just the food supply for billions as we’re on the verge of a global recession. Nothing to worry about. >

Oh shit... Its jumped to mammals... This won't be good. People are clearly more susceptible to airborn viruses since getting covid (if you believe the literature). >

it’s the SARS way. >

I've been waiting for SARSNCOV3 the entire pandemic! It's finally here! >

as long as china keeps eating bats, or coming into coming in contact with them,.. >

Factory farming needs to end, regardless of the species of animal. >

Hell yeah. Tell your representatives to support small and middle ag. Stop giving handouts to unsafe monopolies that wreck the environment. 
Better yet, put those monstrous fucks at Tyson on trial for pandemic worker deaths and price gouging. >

No one likes factory farming but try feed everyone without it >

Honest question, doesn't factory farming increase yields solely because of the sheer size? Also corporations are able to absorb losses (like a bad season) better than small farms. They also don't need as many workers and cram product into smaller snad smaller plots of land.
Smaller farms could work given they could use similar technology of bigger productions...but they would still need to be watched for abuses.
And factory farms need to be reexamined...they can be better look at the runoff in the gulf and the treatment of animals. 
There is no reason for a mink farm though. This is just for fur. Its disgusting. >

I’m speaking as someone who grew up on a small farm and who works with ag producers, just for context. 
Factory farms do produce more because of size but also because they abuse animals and workers. They ruin the land they’re on, like you mentioned with the Gulf, and they provide a substandard, often much more unhealthy product because their whole objective is to cut costs no matter what. They also buy up the land around them and put smaller producers out of business. 
Small and middle farms don’t produce as much by themselves, but ag cooperatives allow individual producers to group up and share profits and resources. Regenerative farming, better soil management, diversified crops, and precision ag have greatly improved smaller farm yields over the years while making farms not just better for the environment but actively beneficial in some cases. Also, a locally sourced supply means less supply chain fuckery and emmissions. 
In the US, farmers can qualify for disaster relief and crop insurance, which can help them survive bad years, and they’re all inspected regularly, or they should be. >

No, no...just no. NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOO >

..global alarm bells.... that everybody will ignore unless people are dropping dead in the streets. >

If the last few years have taught me anything, it is that they won't take it seriously even then. >

I'm so very tired... >

Covid is a literal joke compared to what scientists feared for decades... and I personally know 20+ people who have died since Jan 2020, so understand that covid hit me personally on an extreme level... but seriously the modern world doesn't have a clue what a pandemic actually is YET... and globally Covid-19 deaths are in the holocaust range.
Even a 10% mortality rate (which would also be rated as a mild pandemic pre-covid) is 500 million-800 million deaths globally. 
The moderate level pandemics are around 25% mortality rate and have basically been what epidemiologist have been predicting would inevitably occur... that's 1 in 4 people btw. 
Mink are one of the mammals that easily pass and catch viral infections that are dangerous to humans. This could be a significant problem soon... good thing we have a global response team on 24 hours notice ready to keep the world safe... oh wait, no... Trump disbanded them without explanation. >

Hasn't better sanitation made those a lot less likely? >

Sadly not really...  we are somewhat better off than we were before covid, but  the fact that mass air sanitization systems weren't made a legal requirement during covid has basically left me hopeless.
We absolutely do have the technology to fight these diseases, but the fact that we didn't even bother to retrofit them during this round is beyond depressing. 
Japan was basically the only place I know of that actually went this route, and they basically used ultrasonic humidifiers with Hypochlorous acid. HOCL is slightly acidic  salt water that's been run through electrolysis. It's a significant part of our own body's white blood cell response... it's essentially pool water minus pee and sunscreen.
It worked like a champ in Japan... 
What's even more depressing is how  low tech, cheap, and easy UV-C HVAC sanitization is these days... but when the time comes, the technology is ready to go. >

I'm referring to how so many of the "classic" pandemics (like the plague for instance) had much higher death tolls due to the abysmal state of medicine and basic hygiene until well after WWII. We'll never see another Black Death outside of rural Afghanistan unless we completely forget what we've learned in the past centuries (handwashing, antibiotics to ward off bacterial complications, modern medicine, vaccination, etc). >

I don’t know what pandemic you just experienced, but at least 40% of the US went all-in on willfully ignoring hand washing, modern medicine, and vaccinations. So I wouldn’t count anything out. 
If these idiots’ corporate misinformants told them antibiotics were a liberal plot, we’d start losing people to routine infection in weeks. >

Oh great Spanish flu and a world war this movie is on repeat I swear. Next the pope is gonna declare crusades. >

Really number 1? All it would take is One Nuclear Bomb. I don’t think there is going to be a world war. Crossing my fingers but that cat is out of the bag and there is no VERY far anymore. It doesn’t exist.
Edit: Rereading and if you meant at this exact moment it isn’t a world war then yes. >

A nuclear bomb won't trigger a world war unconditionally. It's a sad reality that's hard to accept, if Russian nuclear warheads are used in Ukrainian territory there won't be a nuclear response from other countries because that would mean all of us would die instead of (just) Ukrainians. 
And Russia won't launch an attack against the west because again, everyone would die.
People need to relax, we aren't the center of the universe and we aren't at risk, Ukrainians are and we should worry about them, not about us.