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...and I'm still recovering from the frozen nightmare beginning of RDR2.
I guess they finally received the shipment from NK and it's making it to the frontlines. >

How pathetic do you have to be to go groveling to NK for weapons? >

NK actually makes a lot of its money through arms manufacturing and sales from what I've read before. >

And wish.Com makes a lot of money selling shitty knock off stuff.  Russia is going the knock off version of wish for military hardware. >

Yeah. Nobody said NK's weapons were good. Just that they made them (and a good number of them). Sometimes cheap and plentiful has its own level of impact. >

That’s what I was getting at.  How pathetic do you have to be to rely on NK weapons? >

There's only one way to get better at making weapons though. Test them in the field. US weaponry in 1941 was almost trash compared to 1945. >

I've heard that US airplanes in WW2 weren't nearly as good as the nazi ones, except that we could crank them out at insane speeds and we just overwhelmed them. >

Thats a bit of an oversimplification, US aircraft were excellent albeit in different areas than the Germans. Requirements were quite different - the Germans never could build bombers or escort fighters that were equivalent to what the USAAF used for instance.
The Germans were also more willing to essentially use prototypes on the field because they were desperate. A Me-262 looks futuristic, because it was at the time and was incredibly unreliable. Its even worse when you look at the rocket propelled Me-163, nobody in their right mind would mass produce such a thing except a country desperate for a secret weapon. This has the side effect of making them look more advanced vs countries that did not risk their pilots with machines that were not ready for mass production. >


A Me-262 looks futuristic, because it was at the time and was incredibly unreliable

Just wanted to add that its engines were rated for just 15 hours running time between major overhauls. >

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 91%. (I'm a bot)


Russia has begun its "Big revenge" for Ukraine's resistance to its invasion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said, as Russian forces claimed a series of incremental gains in his country's east.
Zelenskyy has been warning for weeks that Moscow aims to step up its assault on Ukraine after about two months of virtual stalemate along the front line that stretches across the south and east.
Zelenskyy is urging the West to hasten delivery of its promised weapons so Ukraine can go on the offensive.


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It doesn't look good, but they came back from worst so I'm still hopeful.
It's been a year of rollercoaster and if it's exhausting to watch I can't imagine how much it must be on the battlefield. >

To say they came back from worse is a huge understatement. We're talking about Ukraine maybe losing one settlement after months and months of bitter fighting. 
At the beginning of the war there were troops like 15km from the heart of Kyiv. There were murder squads running around the capital looking for Zelensky. Ukraine was given three days to survive. There's no comparison. >


"We're talking about Ukraine maybe losing one settlement after months and months of bitter fighting."

And around 40k dead ruzzians. >

Western officials estimate Russian deaths at more than 100,000. >

150k-175k Russians and 100k Ukrainian losses
10% of what Russia has active or reserves
20% of what Ukraine has active or reserves
Russia has a military treaty that in theory can activate and ask for soldiers from other countries  EX Belarus >

I don't think they'll get much from any other countries >

they wont.The war is deeply unpopular throughout the world and they didnt abide by the treaty and help Armenia >

With the one year anniversary of the war coming next month, I think Putin is desperate to save face and show some kind of gains >

I mean he's taken a decent chunk of Eastern Ukraine already. Sadly this is pretty par for the course in terms of Russian warfare. You don't even need to look at WWII just look at their conduct in Chechnya and Georgia. The first year is always a shitshow and then they just throw artillery and bodies at the problem until they win.
I think Ukraine will eventually win but this isn't going to resolve fast. Russia typically keeps fighting until they can't and at this point Putin probably feels he has nothing left to lose. I don't even think assassination will end the war, Putin isn't even the most extremist person in the Kremlin if you can believe that. >


he first year is always a shitshow and then they just throw artillery and bodies at the problem until they win.

Could you list the numbers of confirmed destroyed tanks, arty and so on from the Russian side vs their self-claimed stockpile numbers for me? The numbers might shock you to learn that they're at a burn rate that is completely unsustainable unlike Ukraine. >

It takes Russia something like 3 months to build a tank right? So…. >

Are they even capable of building tanks at the moment? >

Unfortunately you can Frankenstein weapons pretty easily if you're desperate enough. Won't be amazing but can still cause damage. >

Revenge for what ? For defending their homeland ? Or for being Ukrainian? It’s not revenge it’s terrorism >

Revenge for making Putin look bad.
Think like a Narcissist and it makes sense. >

Bingo >

the Fascist tactic of 
DARVO = deny + attack + reverse victim and offender >

And I thought the DENNIS system was fucked. >

Revenge for what, exactly? >

All them sweet western tanks.  The more than 100 tanks from various countries recently promised lit a a fire under Pooties ass. >

Makes me wonder why they announced it before they were on the ground >

politics, seeing what russia does before they follow through, and telegraphing what's coming next is Russia doesn't GTFO. >

That and the Ukrainian governments constant public requests for them forced it into the public realm. Would have been better to have those discussions behind closed doors. >

It's more nuanced than that though. Ukraine making the requests public generated discussion and ultimately support in the west especially Germany. So as always a combination of public and private conversations and coalition building. Democracies need to do a lot more things out in public and while not always desirable from a military point of view it's better than the alternative for our countries than just leaving it up to one dictator. >

100%. Strategically it would have been better for all such talks to be secret if the outcomes were going to be the same, but Ukraine wouldn't have got even 10% of what it has got without Zelenskyy making it public and generating the huge amounts of public support that he has.
As much as any weapon delivery or sanction, that man's PR and awareness campaign is what has kept Ukraine alive and in the fight. >

I'll never forget the "I don't need a ride, I need ammo!" quote.
As a layman fortunate enough to have never been directly exposed to war, It feels to me like Zelenskyy practically changed the outcome of this war from the very beginning, just with his attitude and approach with the international community. Ukraine is lucky to have him. >

I don't think it's truly about conquering Ukraine anymore either, more about Putin just defending his ego by sending more troops. >

Wonder how likely it is that China is helping Russia secretly through NK.  They’ve done this type of thing frequently, but usually with goods like oil/coal and what not.  I guess we’ll have an idea when we see the weapons used. >

Revenge of the ~~Nerds~~ Turds >

Sounds like a shit time >

Russia’s goal was to destroy Ukraine, which they sadly can do even if they don’t gain a single meter of land. They aren’t exactly shy of bombing cities.
They are already sanctioned, having veto and nukes makes any compensation unlikely. Although the cut in gas and oil from EU is going to hurt them a lot. The existing buyers, India and China aren’t paying market price so that’s a loss too. >

Plot Twist: they have the promissed weapons, surprize mf moment for Russia. >

My thoughts also, they have the Bradley's, Abraham's are already moving through Poland. >

Lmao “abrahams” >

Abraham, get the tank. And you Noah, get the boat. >

Jesus, get to the.choppa! >

Jesus: "I'll be back" >

The sad reality is that Ukraine is slowly being destroyed…..
Ukraine only defends and Russia is leveling everything.
This isn’t going to end how people would like it to end. >

Despite all the pro-ukraine propaganda that spams reddit, this is the truth. Much of Ukraine will be a hellscape for a long time. >

Unfortunately the truth friend. >

Wouldn't be so sure. Depends how much goes into rebuilding and man look very interested. Remember, EU companies did business in Ukraine before but were hampered by corruption and instability flowing in from Russia. (Which is being cleaned up now.)
Could work out pretty nice for Ukraine, in the end. >

Hope you’re right, but all I’m seeing is destruction. >

And they will fail gloriously. >

not if those that promised Ukraine weapons dont get off their ass and supply them..  The USA promises M1's one day and then announces it will take a year or more to get them there..  I find it doubtful that they dont have some operational that could go tomorrow.. >

As an American, I want any weapons sent there to not have any classified components that can be recoverable by Russia (and by proxy, China). If that means we have to manufacture an entirely different set of sanitized Abrams to send, so be it. 
This also means no planes anytime soon. If Russians shoot down and recover an American 4/5th gen fighter, that's huge trouble for  Western security. >

As a fellow American I overrule Wisky3. And say send Ukraine what they need to win. 
You think Russia cutoff from the global supply chain is going to make effective knock off Abrams, or F-22's?  Its hard to put in words how ridiculous that concept is.  
The fact that Russia did not win this war months ago should give you some slight idea of the gulf between the USA and Russia militarily.
A reason exists for Russia to rattle nuclear saber its  the only hope it has to even engage the US. 
China is not much better off than Russia, Look at the US navy vs China's ill give you a hint the one that can actually travel across the ocean is the scarier one. >

Yes because ofc Russia isn't capable of handing it to china in exchange of some deals. Big brain you have there. >

You think Chinas machining is near or on the level USA or its Chip industry?
China makes low value added products in bulk. Its good at, its even great at it.
These are not the same.
You are living in a fantasy, if you think they can recover a f22 and reverse engineer it in anything under a decade.
Its not just about the parts they dont have or know how to make its putting them in and sealing the parts they dont know how to do and doing so at scale.
and whats the fear of 4th gen planes? are we afraid they will crack the code on how to make obsolete planes?
Reversing engineering is hard, its very hard and over time it has gotten harder not easier. >

I’m sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about.
These security measures exist for a reason and have been a concern for decades…
source >

A brilliant article showing the amazing technical prowess of the Chinese government's ability to replicate a plane that first took flight 1977 (thats before the first star wars movie kids) . 
I am going to blow your mind here and let you know that the US military has advanced a lot since then. 
Is the US concerned about espionage, yes obviously. Its a real concern. but espionage does not directly equate to reverse engineering. I assume you dont need the difference explained.
The initial argument by OP proposed the case that we should not send 4th  and 5th gen planes to help Ukraine being predicated not of fear of escalation but out of the Russians and china reversing engineering the technology I pointed out that is absurdly stupid and stand by it.   
4th gen planes are very old technology fun fact China has f16's they are not going to try to reverse engineer a crashed one in Ukraine. 
And even 5th gen is not the risk people think it is, it would take a very very long time to reverse engineer something that sophisticated even if it could be obtained undamaged. Building planes like these is on a different level. The assembly has to be perfect or it ruins the stealth profile. 
People buy into weird propaganda these days Russia and China are not world powers. Russia is not even a first world country and China is a jenga tower missing a ton blocks. >

Bollocks. The Abrams is equipped with Chobham Armour. The last thing you want is to give your enemies a good look at your top secret tank armour. Even though it dates back to the 60's the construction details are top secret.
F-16's are old but are constantly updated with latest electronics systems and weapons systems. 
And it's not just about being replicated it's also about being countered. You just don't give these things away to your competitors. >

Ehh another non story where precisely nothing has happened but a nice quote is used to keep the pressure on the news cycle. >

Bruh they still fighting? >

putin decided to leave the entire russian men generation in the ground. >

What happens if Ukraine falls? >

The earth will still rotate, life will go on and finally still have to pay your monthly bills. >

Maybe Putin should land on an aircraft carrier and declare Victory. >

He has to hurry. GWB gave that speech before his troops had to leave the country. >

We (the west) need to hurry the FUCK up with the weapons and training already! I'm still reeling from Germany throwing a bitch fit about sending tanks. This is not the time to falter. >

pootin mad cause he bald, short and has a tiny pecker. >

Regardless of how evil and vile putin is, body shaming men using these words is disgusting. >

Revenge by Russian?  Screw them.  If they're smart they should surrender at the earliest opportunity by contacting Ukrainian hot line to surrender safely.  Otherwise they will join their early compatriots six feet underground. >

This isn't a video game. >

Genuinely wants to know if Ukraine can really win the war the way it is going ? Been 2 months I have been hearing they will win and I just see them struggling .
It feels like Syria 2.0 >

Ukraine is the side defending itself. The only thing they have to do to win is to keep fighting.
Russia, on the other hand, can only win if they manage to stop Ukraine’s resistance to the invasion, which isn’t going to happen.
If you looked at a map of Europe in 1943, you would be forgiven to think that Germany was winning the war, too. >

The Ukrainians never should have given up the Nukes they were heir to when the USSR fell apart. That would have insured that they could not be attacked. I think we should do everything we can to insure that Russia cannot win. It seems our economy is somehow based on being a big war machine and it will only help us to provide them with better and more weapons. If Russia wins it will only mean more and more war all over the world. >

It is very expensive and difficult to maintain them for decades. >

We had the factories that built them in Dnipro as well as uranium mines and related facilities. Out of all Soviet republics, Ukraine was the most industry-heavy.
We could maintain them, but we would likely become international pariahs for not giving them up. >

Zelenskyy has been right more than 90% or the time. Yet the free world leaders drag their feet in supporting his country. Russia is weak right now: THIS is the time for the rest of the world to help the Russian people free themselves from the shackles of Putin and his dictatorial government. >

haha, ive seen this movie before >

I really wonder if Ukraine maybe should accept the loss of eastern territory to Russia in exchange for a full, unrestricted entry into the Western sphere. Meaning immediate adhesion to NATO and a clear pathway to EU adhesion. West Germany and South Korea had a great economic turn around after the wars that cut them in half, no reason that Ukraine could not follow suit. >

Russia will come back later and annex the rest . They have a history of bullying their immediate neighbors. >

Not if the US army is stationed in Ukraine. >

But Russia is running out of rockets and ammunition? And most of their military has been killed or injured? How are they doing this? >

With the little that’s left >

Ukraine has been beating Russia when Russia is at 100%, obliterating all Russian tanks and stuff. How is it possible that Russia with the little that is left be advancing on Ukraine? >

I have no idea what your word salad means. Is it some kind of Russian mind trick? >

Are you accusing me of being a Russian?! >

Nope. Just telling you your word salad sounded nonsensical. I didn’t understand it. 
And the people who make the best word salad nonsense are the people on Russian TV. So I made a Star Wars movie reference.
For the record, I’m in no way suggesting Russia is going to prevail. Russia is going to keep having its ass handed to it. 20 full buses of dead Russian a day. Every day. 
Ten to fifteen tanks a day, when it can barely make 2-5 a day in the rosiest version of its production reality, half of them 1950s refurbs. 
Every day.
$13b/month foreign cash drain a month, buying back their own rubles with foreign cash. Every month. 
Down the gurgler they go… >

what?
which part doesn't make sense? >

“Revenge” for what? >

For not surrendering >

Russia: *starts revenge operation during piece operation
Ukraine: "So it is THAT  kind of night, huh? >

What piece should they have been operating on tonight? >

Why Ukraine refuses to actually ATTACK Russia is beyond me. Start attacking infrastructure. Make it bleed and hurt. >

There's been many attacks inside Russia, just not in population centers (yet). Russia has been setting up Moscow and other cities with air defence - they are doing this for a reason. >

This will eventually lead to a loss for Russia. There is simply no way Russia will win this. The question is: Will they take us all with them? If Putin isn't removed before then, we're in real danger. >

SS Stepan Bandera gonna ask for more BILLION$ >

Stalin / USSR was allied with Nazis for about the same length of time as Bandera.  Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact got far more Slavs killed carving up Poland and slaughtering at Katyn than Bandera ever did.  And both Bandera and Stalin got betrayed by the Nazis. >

Such a whining dog >

If - in case it's true - Russia is by whatever means currently winning, then it's really all zelensky fault. He gambled too much then that he could pull NATO in this war.
A month ago it was more or less on the plate - crimea to Russia, the rest to Ukraine, and Ukraine security guarantees from NATO all sanctions lifted no reperations as a peace deal.
It was not obviously proposed that way, but it was hinted that Russia would potentially go for this deal..
Now it looks more like a military solution.. >


security guarantees from NATO all sanctions lifted no reperations as a peace deal.

Fuck Russia. >

That is unintelligent and a shame for all the parents that have their kids serve in Ukraine..
For your bold and stupid statement these parents send their children to risk their life's..while you are an internet warrior
Once a good politican said "i prefer to negotiate 100 hours in vain, as to shoot one minute and have our children die" >

lol