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Not to downplay the importance of heavy armour in combined arms. But that was 80 years ago.
Man all this armor really has to get there ASAP. Looks like Russia is really trying to encircle Bakhmut. If it gets to that, I hope AFU can pull their forces out of the city in time. >

We are talking about 3 months, more or less,  for the Germany batch. Far more for the US >

Exactly, that's a long ass time. In about a month, Ruzzkis have taken Soledar and are already in the northern parts of Klischiivka. Not looking good for Bakhmut. >

Bakhmut does not hold much strategic gain. The stiff resistance is probably more about diverting Russian resources for a pointless cause leaving vulnerabilities elsewhere for Ukraine to exploit. Afaik logistics wise Bakhmut might be good as it unlocks a highway route but feel free to correct me on that. >

You don't know what holds strategic value or not. >

It’s hard to say for sure what has strategic value for each side, as each side will make its own calculations and hold them close to the vest, but it is possible to make educated guesses based on: 
Reasonable logistics routes, production capability, population, infrastructure, level of fortification, symbolic value, level of damage, level of local support/resistance, resource availability, and consideration with regards to larger war objectives. >

Right, if you are knowledgeable about everything.  But almost every single person who has that view doesn't actually know any of that first hand and is just repeating what they heard someone else say. >

Not me, I’m a real expert. I played HoI4 once on veteran and even sometimes watch the BBC!
Point well taken. >

The west, western media, and social media are painting far too rosy a picture of what's going on over there. Super glad we are sending serious tanks now, but it's many months late. We should have sent these at the beginning. It's ridiculous to think that Russia was going to let Ukraine win this with anything other than a complete and total military defeat. And that takes a lot. >

I agree. One should never underestimate its opponent >

Thanks, Dalton >

You mean Obama? >

It was apparent a while ago. >

Well... now the west finally sends tanks, take it back, and the rest >

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This is the like 10th or more times this has been posted. This news source we know already we knew almost a week ago so a little late to the party >

How will 50 tanks make a change? Defensive arms for Kiev? >

Actually can make a difference. I read a book about 4 tiger tanks stopped Soviets from crossing a River for weeks until they just ran out of ammo.