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How do you extract it without polluting the ocean?
Norway just cannot catch a break from discovering valuable deposits, those poor souls!😢 >

It sucks. One day we just want to struggle a little. Just to build some character. >

Yes, it sounds horrible. Sending you a virtual hug, my rich, weakly-characterized friend!🤗 >

Norway really be playing this world on easy mode >

While in some ways that’s true, they also haven’t squandered their opportunities. See Australian mining boom for comparison. >

Lol at the Australian mining boom.
We gave up every other industry just to dig up shit from the ground and sell it to other people. >

I moved away, but I’m so angry about it. A golden opportunity to fix shit, but nooooo just piss it away. >

30 years of corporate sycophants selling off the country in exchange for consultancy jobs for the corporations they sold out to.   That is the history of Australia in the 20th/21st century. >

That's kinda the history of everywhere. >

Overthrow_the_Bourgeoises.jpg >

This is smoke and mirrors. "rare earth" are incredibly common. Just no one filters them out because its expensive and low profit.
The fact that they 'found' some is just a PR stunt.
Point to just about any mine anywhere, that mine COULD produce some of these minerals if they built the facilities to refine them. Of course some areas are better for it than others, but in general its cost that keeps the finished product rare. >

it's the largest discovered rare earth deposit in europe, right next to the biggest iron/steel producer in the region that has been printing money for a few decades. If you are going to mine rare earth and not have it be slave labour in africa, it's a pretty good candidate. >

I believe the plan is to go underground 2km to the deposit from the existing mine to avoid nasty permits. >

Surely that would be a great idea in several ways, environmentally speaking? >

Norway's seabed is the gift that keeps on giving. >

Still funny that we tried to trade some of it for half of Volvo, but Sweden was like "nah bro. We good" >

See? You don’t have to build your economy JUST on oil! It’s win/win! >

Like Mexico?  No, not like that >

Did another Russian submarine sink? >

Nah, it's the leftovers of the Tirpitz and the Scharnhorst. >

Isn't pre-WWII steel a precious metal now? >

Yes. The detonation of some 2000+ nuclear devices since 1945 has littered the atmosphere and surface of Earth with radioactive isotopes. Steel production requires massive amounts of oxygen, so those radioactive isotopes inevitably find their way in.
Pre-1945 shipwrecks have been shielded from this abundant radiation thanks to water’s ability to essentially block radioactive particles, in the same way that bullets quickly lose energy and stop when hitting it. As a result these wrecks are a fantastic source of “clean” steel. 
This clean steel is useful, even necessary, for many applications ranging from radiodosimetry (Geiger counters), to medical equipment, and even for spacecraft. >

From what I've heard, so I might be wrong, doesn't the current atmosphere now is mostly able to make steel with innate radioactivity low enough that they can be used in those applications again (except for seriously sensitive stuff)? >

this is correct you can make new steel that is low radioactivity the issue is the volume is low and setting up a run is expensive when you can just haul up a pre-war ship stick it in an arc furnace and call it a day.
at some point we will run out of this pre-war steel and we need more a mill set up a run make like 50 years worth of demand and then switch back. >

Wanna start a business? >

I’m moving to Norway. >

The weather is depressing as hell. It’s no place to live a full life. I moved out to the tropics and life is just happier >

Better than the tropics, high humidity and heat all year long is shit. >

lol no. Norway is dark, rainy and snowy >

Yes and it's beautiful >

Maybe beautiful if a person is depressed to begin with, but for a man wanting to live a fulfilling life, Norway is not it man. A vibrant city like Tokyo, the tropics or a beach community in California is 10x better than a snowy fishing village in Norway. And yes 95% of Norway is snow and fishing villages  
I grew up there and sure as hell ain't gonna die there. Honestly I feel sad for the brothers I left behind in that depressed country. The people are nice but the weather and experiences are just not >

The people are nice because people like you move away. >

Half of Norway’s population have moved away over time - that’s insane. There are 5 million Americans with Norwegian heritage
Once you live another place there is no going back. If you for 1 second look past money, when money does not become a problem anymore then Norway suddenly isn’t very attractive 
There are good reasons that there exists entire small towns in Spain that only speaks Norwgian, the cashier and stores speak Norwegian. 
There are reasons why every week you read in Norwgian newspapers that the richest are moving out to Switzerland or moving their companies overseas
Entrepeneurs moving to Silicon Valley and Bali in droves. The list goes on >

Relax my fellow norwegian, i live in the most sun deprived area in Europe. I love it here, but yeah we need some visits to the tropics to stay mentally healthy.
But saying that Half of Norways population has moved away, is a bit silly in this context. I totally understand your reasoning, but you're hurting your own case based on bit of a tunnelvision! ;) >

If I gave you $10M would you still love it there, or would you come with me to Vegas and then beyond to the wide world. What would pull you back to Norway? Family? Money? 
Money is mostly the argument people make for staying in Norway - not the weather, not the experiences and not the culture. 
There is a reason every time an American billionaire or celebrity like Kevin Hart lands in Norway it’s national news, they have better places to be so they rarely come to Norway. And they never end up buying vacation homes to stay longer
Btw Wikipedia: There are more than 4.5 million Norwegian Americans
Probably same # in Spain. For a small country to have such a large emigration base is extraordinary >

Please stop its already rich >

RIP seabed ecosystems ... >

Arctic ocean ecosystems too. I'm not savvy on territorial waters, but the portion of the Mid-Ocean Ridge deposits that comes closest to what I would consider 'Norwegian waters' is fairly far north. Mining seems destructive enough- even when done conscientiously- I can't imagine the potential for damage to arctic ocean ecology.
The eternal 'We can, but should we?' >

With the proper research and development the impact could be at least reduced, relying on China and Russia to get those materials the other hand... you not only would be just fueling their crazy geopolitical ambitions, harming millions in the process but also they love destroying ecosystems anyways. 
And this is why I despise the hypocrisy of many who proclaimed themselves as "eco-activist", people who claims to defend the environment but end up doing things worse for everyone (like the "brilliant" idea of banning Nuclear power and buy Russian Gas by Germany, all by a green party, how the heck they thought it was a good idea?) >

Nuclear can't replace natural gas when your infrastructure is built on gas use. Shutting nuclear plants is as idiotic as relying on Russian gas obviously. It's the most efficient and environmentally cleanest way to produce electricity. >

Black metal 🤘 >

I love Norway. I’d love to move there and live there for the rest of my life. >

Sweden punching air right now >

Oh dear, Russia will now send their fleet of sunken warships to liberate supressed russians in the area and the US will try to bring some freedom to the Fjords... >

Oh, yes, if only they were members of NATO. >

Norway is a founding member of NATO. Been stepping up to Russians since 1949
Edit: Missed the /s above >

That's my point... I should probably add /s >

Ah. I am a victim of r/Woooosh >

Woooosh bad >

“Oh fuck.” -the dolphins >

Nordics are op since at least the Euro crisis. Devs please nerf or at least share some of the wealth and wellbeing with the rest of us. >

Unfortunately, the devs are Paradox Interactive >

Perkele! >

Well, if there was a country that was going to use that sort of thing responsibly, they'd be pretty high on that list.  Good for them. >

Well the old sovereign wealth fund is in for another bump! >

I wish I was born in Norway. Been a fan of Norway since I was in my teens because I love black metal. >

Brutal >

“You mean you found it on the floor of the Northwest China Sea.  It’s ours.”  -China, probably. >

I’m sure Norway will handle this with the utmost care and diligence >

Well if any country is likely to, it's Norway >

Not really, we for the most part have really good PR >

Hopefully this can reduce reliance on China >

True,  but unlikely. China has a 60%+ global share bc they are so cheap. Sweden also found a lot. Ofc, it would be smart and you can surely find a way, but it's not easy to change supply chains no matter what reddit makes you believe. Wasnt at you, just mean in general because I see a lot of weird stuff on reddit. >

Russia: "Norway has always been a historical part of Russia."
Or
"We must protect the ethnic Russians in Norway (that conveniently live on the part of the coastline that controls that specific stretch of territorial waters)." >

Good thing Norway is a part of NATO >

China really going to extend the south China sea borders now. >

Good. Norway really needed a break. >

Fortunately, Norway's large military production complex is doing really well lately. >

We've barely begun to understand these underwater geological features and the amazing life that they host, and some asshole is already trying to mine them and destroy the entire environment around it? Go humanity! >

Yep. That asshole is then going to sell those rare earth metals to someone to make devices like the one you're currently using to post to Reddit, and the copper to someone who will make wires like the ones currently providing you electricity. Hell, some of them may be used in the deep-sea exploration devices that are the only way we know anything about many of those "underwater geological features and the amazing life that they host". Pollution and environmental destruction are bad, but you should probably have looked around at all the glass in your home before casting that "asshole" stone. >

If you follow a few other articles around here, they also discovered a large deposit on land that doesn't require destroying a new and relatively not understood ecosystem.
If I started ripping the shit out of your yard to dig up rare earth metals would you just smile and walk away when I told you it was to make your cell phone? >

That's not a reasonable argument to make at all, and you know it.
That digging operation and its finds let's you have a more stress free life, knowing your health, education and care of the elderly is free, cheap and affordable. It means people don't jump from rooftops because you'd avoid recessions. You'd be given a seat at major shareholder meetings to sway opinions towards a better future.
At least if you're materialistic and like the comfort it can provide. >


That's not a reasonable argument to make at all, and you know it.

Is it reasonable to exterminate ecosystems for creature comforts? >

I also bet the will have the sense to make sure ~~any~~ *a lot of* profit made from them goes into the state coffers >

No, that's not how Norway works:
The profit should be shared between the companies, the workers and the state. You are supposed to be able to make a fortune in Norway. >


The Nordic country, a major oil and gas exporter, is considering whether to open its offshore areas to deep-sea mining, a process that requires parliament’s approval and has sparked environmental concerns.

Environmentalists are some of the worst neo-colonialists around. Constantly obstruct mining and manufacturing processes in their countries, then push for buying minerals and materials produced using much more damaging practices from abroad, particularly the developing world. 
"Oh no, you can't mine lithium there, it will despoil our sacred mother earth!" 
"What about the massive environmental damage caused by the Chinese Lithium mines?"
"Meh." >


Environmentalists are some of the worst neo-colonialists around

Lmao what a shitty take. Not everyone wants to see their drinking water become flammable from Fracking. Or see tailing ponds burst into their rivers.

then push for buying minerals and materials produced using much more damaging practices from abroad, particularly the developing world. 

OoOOOoh, giving money to developing countries, how horrible! If you want someone to point to, maybe put some responsibility on the mining conglomerates that use other countries to lower their standards? But naaah, it's the environmentalists who are at fault! >

Quick! Send them some freedom! >

They are already on our team :) >

And a founding member of NATO in 1949 >

what lives there >

Expecting a finite response to be infinite is capitalism in a nut shell. >

r/valheim >

No one is going to start up an expensive sub sea mining operation for anything less than a huge gold vein. Hell, I am doubtful whether this would be profitable on land in a remote region in Norway. 
This such a nonstarter that it did not hit frontpage news in Norway. >

Just know that norway has some of the best subsea technology companies in the world so I wouldn’t rule this out at all. Also shipyards that build rigs, drilling rigs etc. If this is focused on by the government it will happen. >

That’s why they put barcodes on all their ships! So the can Scandinavian! >

Oh no get ready for little green men blowing shit up >

Norway is a founding member of NATO.
Those little green men would be meeting modern day Vikings with enough missiles to blot out the sun. >

Norway is fantastic ally ❤️  🇳🇴  🇺🇸 >

In before Russian special operation to eliminate nazis in Norway. >

Be on the watch for Russian submarines. >

What's Norwegian for "Goodbye, herring, cod, and other creatures of the sea. Thanks for the memories! Find a new home by summer"?