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I really do fear how far the right wing is willing to go in this country

They will push it as far as they can until the majority of Americans wake up and realize that the version of "Christian values" that the GOP is imposing are not their values.
“Despite the governor's description of the jury, FloridaPolitics.com notes that there were three jurors, not just one, who refused to impose the death penalty.”
Typical Republican. >

I am old enough to remember that movie.  His constant deception and projection is very typical of Republicans in this day and age.  I agree that DeSantis is terrifying…he is a racist fear-mongering piece of shit like Trump but  smarter. He sees what awful things conservative voters will allow an elected (Republican) official to get away with and I suspect he will double down on that. >


He sees what awful things conservative voters will allow

want >

He worked at Guantanamo. In 2006. Think about that. >

So what you’re saying is Boots might have a car battery to the nipples fetish. >

Is Boots like a reference to Caligula? >

No it’s a reference to the stupid boots desantis wears sometimes >

Thanks. I never look at feet for some reason and didn’t know he was known for wearing stupid boots. I guess I read to much into that one. >

He was sporting knee high stark-white wading boots to tour flood areas while everyone else in his party were dressed in normal shoes and there was no need. >

I watched an HBO documentary from the 90s yesterday about 3 8-year old boys who were raped an murdered in a creek in Arkansas.
The police found a mentally handicapped teen who was friends with 2 teen boys who were metallica fans who wore black t-shirts. They coerced him into confessing to the murder and pointing the finger at the 2 “devil worshippers”
Even though there wasn’t a shred of evidence connecting either of them to the crime, and even though the acuser revoked his confession (which was littered with details that didn’t match the crime scene) juries covicted all 3 of them on all counts. They were all sentenced to life in prison, And then the film ends.
They weren’t freed until 2011, when DNA evidence proved none of the DNA at the crime scene matched any of them.
A fast food restaurant had called the police the night of the murders to report a man covered in blood with mud on his boots in their bathroom. The police did not follow up on this. The jury heard testimony from the fast food manager. 
Juries cannot be trusted to sentence teens to life in prison, let alone the death penalty, in hicktown states like Florida and Arkansas.
The doc features all the parents of the dead kids talking about how they’d like to torture and kill all the falsely accused boys. It’s disgusting. I hope they live in shame if they’re still alive. >

Another fine example of a justice system that has clearly not earned our confidence enough to back the death penalty even for people not opposed to it on moral or economical grounds. Like Arkansas, Florida has a particularly disappointing track record for convictions of this sort. From the OP's article: 

Florida has had more exonerations of death row inmates than any other state in the country: roughly one for every three executions carried out. That ought to inspire more humility, not aggressiveness, in deciding when the state should be allowed to kill. >

The American right believes everyone accused of a crime is guilty unless it’s someone they like like a cop or Donald Trump. >

It's worse, they believe everyone who is a liberal is guilty of a crime, regardless of whether or not they actually committed one. Simply being a democrat is a crime in their eyes, and you bet your ass Desantis would love to be able to unilaterally sentence dems to death for being "enemies of the state" >

Holy shit, this guy just won't fucking stop trying to stir shit up. >

It's like he's desperately trying to get the normies to notice he's bad but they're determined to think of him as a moderate alternative to Trump. >

It’s likely because he polled below trump recently, however what’s particularly weird and bizarre is that he MUST have pollsters telling him this shit doesn’t fly if he’s planning on running for president, it likely doesn’t even fly with conservatives around the country, and yet he’s going through with it anyway.  Which means either A) it’s his own idea and he’s refusing to listen to advice, which is bad enough for him in its own right or B) he’s so wrapped up in yes men telling him increasingly authoritarian shit and he’s too cowardly or weak to resist them which is bad in an entirely other direction.
Either way, it’s bonkers to think nonsense like this won’t bite back when on presidential ballot.  Trump had to appeal to moderates and SOME democrats to win… this is like speed running the opposite. >

Alternate theory: Republicans have very very very dim odds anyway in 2024 so winning the general is off the table. Instead the grift is to secure the repub nom and then lose and cry foul and ride the endless money train like Trump has for 4 years. >

That might be super possible but usually folks like DeSantis need financial backing by people who actually WANT stuff and I don’t quite see how that scenario benefits them and if it doesn’t benefit them I don’t see how he becomes the nominee. >

Really trying to justify that nickname DeathSantis. >

He's testing and stressing boundaries for a presidential run. He knows that Trump pushed a lot of people over quite a few lines, but also made a lot of people mad.
He's trying to figure out how far he can push people and he's trying to normalize some of the shitty behavior he knows the backbone of his voting block is going to expect.
IMO, his plan is to normalize the shitty behavior with the more moderate MAGA-adjacent voters so that when he's running for president he doesn't accidentally drive them away.
There's no reason to be shitty to this level. Absolutely none. This is the kind of behavior you expect from a despot warlord in a zombie movie or other post-apocalyptical setting. Not in a democratic country. >

Honestly I think all of this is going to hurt him considerably. Independents hated Trumpism in the midterms. And I suspect they're going to see DeSantis the exact same way. >

I kind of expect the same. But they hated Trump because Trump brought a chaotic clown show into politics since 2016. I can see independents not really giving a fuck about what people say about DeSantis' war against "wokeness". If Democrats can't put up a straight shooter candidate that is going to fight for working-class interests and showcase why they are better in that regard than DeSantis, then it becomes very shakey. And that's always been a major problem for the Dems: messaging. They'll take off the gloves when it comes to progressives in primaries, but when it's Republicans, they don't want to show teeth. The other problem is that Republicans still manage to be very successful with "socialism" as a boogeyman word to voters, and Democrats have never found a way to deal with that.
Trump won in 2016 because enough independents hated/distrusted Hillary, and she didn't frankly do a good enough job of selling, well, jobs to rustbelt states. The difference between DeSantis and Trump is that DeSantis isn't a MAGA Republican. He's of an ilk far worse, far more calculating, far more sinister, and he doesn't have the baggage Trump does. The questions are: Will he run on a platform of anti-wokeness like his legacy is shaping up as in Florida? If he does, then Democrats actually have a better shot. And how will they take on a DeSantis campaign no matter what his platform is? If notable progressives run, are they going to shoot themselves in the foot by trying to run interference to see their corporate pick get the ticket? How far do they want to go to piss off progressives. I think progressives came out for Biden to help defeat Trump, I don't think they'll come out and support Biden, or someone of that end of the Democratic base again. >

As a progressive, that would be very short sighted. If a more moderate candidate wins the primary fairly -- there's no question they'd win regardless of some small irregularities -- then they have my support. 
I think it's also notable that Hillary was attacked for decades by Fox News, which is what created the distrust around her. Ironically, pushing for children's universal healthcare is what drew ire. 
I think the American independent would dislike DeSantis for the same reasons as Trump, and right now that's what's really driving votes, I think. >

What the fuck?  If anything a death sentence is totally a place to require unanimous verdict.
You know with all the stuff he's been coming out with, he should never be anywhere near the presidency.  He's a vindictive and insane person. >

Inching toward genocide >

Next, only Judges that are appointed by the current administration should allowed to make all decisions >

Governor simply points his thumb up or down in decisions of death. >

The man who thinks government is too incompetent to manage education, healthcare, etc. wants to make state-sponsored executions more common and have a lower bar required to trigger them. Small government, ladies and gentlemen! >

Look at his culture wars in the state and how he's spreading that influence to other states. If and when he becomes president, he'll will seek the elimination of "undesirables" from the country, this is just him testing the waters on a smaller scale. It's not about governing for him, it's all about eliminating everyone him and his christo-fascist cronies don't like within the confines of redefined laws and courts. >

Bruh as if California doesn’t do the same ☠️ >

Ah yes, famously leftists are calling for the deaths of their political enemies.
Oh, no, wait, I'm confused. That's every fucking right-wing weirdo doing that. >

Re -read his comment >

I did. Can't find a lot of lies in his comment. On the other hand, claiming that California is also trying to lower the bar to kill undesirables is a complete lie. >

The part where he says influencing other states. Yeah lets pretend California doesn’t use that on other states as well. >

How exactly has California influenced other states? >

I bet this fucker has whole long list of people he wishes could fast track to an execution. Perhaps, camps full of people. >

Yeah, he looks like he's concentrating pretty hard in that photo. >

He really hates everything our country stands for. >

They all do >

I live in Oregon.  We had to change our state constitution to match up with the Supreme Court's opinion. >

It’s disgusting how little regard these “Christians” have for human life. >

It’s disgusting how little regard these “Christians” have for non-fetal human life. Won't somebody think of the unborn! >

I know right they sure don’t. They force birth and then stop caring! It’s amazing to observe the cognitive dissonance in action. They want to prevent abortion, then ban methods of birth control. That prevents abortions. It’s crazy to maximize harm in an attempt to minimize it. >

The cruelty is the point. They want women socially isolated, scared and dependent upon the penises in their life. >

pro-life Republican tho right? >

Because... that's what Jesus would do! >

I think I know how they justify this: Jesus was sentenced to death and executed. As the son of God he could have stopped the execution if he wanted to. Since he didn’t, Jesus must clearly be supportive of the death penalty. Seems airtight, right? >

That’s some classic Fascism right there. Imagine thinking the GOVERNMENT should be able to take someone’s life without fully convincing a jury. How is that supposed to work? >

More like communism. Fascism wouldn’t even have a trial. Communism would have a show trial with a pre decided verdict. Sounds like the  commie republicans to me. >

Fascism does show trials with the best of em tho) >

Dear god! The absolute assholery here! >

He’s a sociopath. Nuttier than a shit house rat. >

He is completely out of control. >

Man this fascist moose-knuckle in go-go boots really needs to pump the hate brakes a bit. >

This guy is beyond drunk with power. Imagine if he had the house, senate, and the oval. Yikes. >

One step closer to an American Holocaust. >

Absolutely >

why not just make all juries majority rule, Ron? let’s just get rid of the rule of law altogether? >

“If 7 out of 12 jurors want to convict, that should be enough. You can’t have just one person derail this” >

"I should personally be allowed to sentence anyone to death at any time if they say something I don't like" -ron desantis, 2024 >

Rick Scott signed the law for unanimous juries. Imagine being less reasonable than that guy. >

That’s the first thing I thought when I read that!
Holy hell. >

Can DeSantis just stop already? The man's off his rocker. >

That America still has the death penalty is embarrassing. Like with many things where we are at odds with most of the rest of the world, the countries on our side of the fence are usually the kids mom didn't want you to play with because they were bad. >

Even as a liberal I was a supporter of the death sentence in certain cases, such as these school mass shooters for example. But the number of exonerations after the fact has made me change my mind, coupled with the fact that it is apparently impossible to get a modern, ""safe"" injection cocktail that doesn't cause immense, extended suffering.  Some states have been bringing back the chair or shooting squad. It's insanity, at least previous lethal injection cocktails were "humane".  Now there's not even that.  I think except in extreme circumstances, such as, for instance, literally Hitler if he'd survived to be captured, it's time to do away with it. >

We should just let a panel of white men stone anyone they want to death. Like some kind of…death panel. >

And now this fascist wants a death panel? 
I don't care what bumfuck nowhere town you're from. Come 2024 don't fucking vote for a wannabe Nazi. >

How fucking pro life of him. >

Jesus, really trying to attract that out of state visitors.  Come to backwater FL where we don't teach our kids and we want to kill someone without restriction >

He just wants to kill Black people. >

This dude is inshane, word to TWD >

what the actual fuck >

DeSantis is dangerous! >

Doesn't this maroon ever shut up? >

All the warning signs are there, folks. What happens next is up to us. >

He must be a baptist I’m guessing.  You can’t be that morally bankrupt without religion. >

This guy- Jesus Christ, was he not hugged enough as a kid?? Why the fuck is he such a fucking dick? >

Fascist Republicans wonder why trials are even needed. >

At this rate, Ronald McBoots should run out of windmills well before 24. >

Coming soon: Mega-City One. >

How’s he doing on the homeowners insurance crisis? >

My bet is he's doing absolutely nothing. >

DeSadist in his next crypto-fascist nit-witticism  will denounce “beyond a reasonable doubt” as “woke.” >

It's hard to imagine this guy's antics winning back states like Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, or even Georgia. >

What a fucking sociopathic opinion. I really do fear how far the right wing is willing to go in this country