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Australia has snow. Why should someone moving to Perth have to complete a winter road condition competency test?
I don’t necessarily disagree but is there any reason that this is framed as an immigration issue rather than just a driving issue? I grew up in an area with snow too and I guarantee you ppl can be native to the area and still shit drivers. 
If you think requirements for driving should place a larger emphasis on winter driving, then just say that and it covers residents and immigrants. >


is there any reason that this is framed as an immigration issue rather than just a driving issue?

Xenophobia. >

Plus like in American sometimes when southerners come up to the north they have difficulty driving cuz of the snow. It's not their fault since their not used to it but that's something that happens in the same damn country. >

This should be applied to all people, not just immigrants. I can't count the number of local residents,  who have lived in my area their entire lives, who still can't understand the natural events messing with driving conditions. I'm included in that number too, almost wrecked a few weeks ago because I didn't take diving safety seriously. >

I mean I totally agree, but it would still need to be two separate tests or whatever it would be because alot of licenses just get transferred over or take a simple theory/simple road test. So it would still be different than getting your license here with all the tests we do. But still agree, everyone should have to prove they can safely drive in the snow! >

I live in Pittsburgh and there are people I’ve know my entire life who STILL can’t drive properly in the snow. >

Honestly same up here in Ontario >

Then why are you focused on immigrants >

I moved from Florida to Ohio. I’m the most careful driver in snow ever because I have so little winter driving experience.
It’s the veterans of multiple winters who have dealt with snow their whole life that are insane.
If you look up air crashes attributed to pilot error, it’s very often senior pilots with thousands of hours in the air who get complacent. Not newbies. >

Not only immigrants. I see too many cars on the road with all seasons driving like they would in the summer. Also, pedestrians crossing roads thinking cars will stop like they can in the summer. >

This is coming from a Canadian as well. We aren’t taught how to drive in the winter, not in drivers school, not elsewhere. It’s entirely dependent on whether your parents grace you with the necessary knowledge. I got lucky enough to have a dad who is very into cars and could tell you anything related to them, but many aren’t so lucky. Not to mention how easy it is to pass the drivers tests, and people STILL go to other smaller areas to “improve their odds.” We need very strict licensing so that the accidents on the road aren’t caused by idiots who passed easy tests. >

Interesting, where and when did you take your drivers Ed? When I did mine we learned it in the theory class and I happened to have one practical lesson where it snowed (I know this isn’t everyone’s case but I do think it should be something required to pass your drivers Ed course) and I also had a dad who taught me because he used to drive up north all the time and did not want me to get stranded somewhere cuz I was being dumb! >

I’m 21 becoming 22 in a couple months, so would be 2016 maybe? I’d imagine it was when I turned 16. I’m from Southern Ontario and learned this type of driving from my dad alone, not from any drivers school. Funnily enough I also learned as we often drive up north to the cottage where the roads don’t get ploughed much. 
It’s very important to learn but I don’t think we’re doing a good job of teaching it. >

Must be a regional thing! I take a lot of back roads to work and to the city because I live in the country and roads are very poorly ploughed, so if you don’t know how to drive in the snow, you SOL and stuck in a ditch until someone comes to get you, so it’s a learn or suffer the consequences a lot too. My dad learned the hard way most of the time and told me how to not do such things lol >

what are we gonna do for people who grew up in snowy environments and still don’t know how to drive in the snow (like 70% of people that live in snowy areas). >

Take drivers Ed? That’s where I learned majority of my winter condition skills. Maybe make drivers Ed mandatory and atleast one car lesson with an instructor in the snow. >

but what are people supposed to do when they take drivers ed in a non snowy season lmao ???
i grew up in Minnesota. They didn’t reach us shit about driving in the snow. It snows 6 months of the year there. 
plus that’s just not how private businesses or schools are going to plan. they aren’t going to ever risk that much liability. nor would the demand of scheduling to include a snowy condition isn’t sustainable.
Edit: drivers Ed was mandatory for us in Minnesota. So the logic of “take drivers ed?” already doesn’t work. >

As a Canadian, why only apply to immigrants? No province has any snow training tests for its own citizens. It would be good if it’s implemented for all people. >

That's a very creative way to express your xenophobia, I have to say. >

Lol that’s a reach >

No it isn't. Why single out immigrants?  Do native-born Canadians have to complete a winter road condition competency test in order to get their license? >

If you take drivers Ed you learn it there, and get cheaper insurance because you’re less likely to get in accidents when you’re informed. If you have never been in a car with snow before you have no idea how your car reacts differently. The issue is not immigrants coming here it’s the inexperience when it comes to conditions that put everyone’s lives at risk. Stop trying to make it this kind of issue when it’s not. >

I notice you didn't answer my question - probably because the answer is no, which would prove my point.
"Stop trying to make it this kind of issue when it’s not."
YOU are the one making immigrants the issue here - I am simply pointing it out (as others have done as well).  You made a post specifically about immigrants. >

Okay fine you’re right, Canadians don’t have to take tests, but as I’ve agreed with other people I do infact believe we should have to. But if you have lived here you’re entire life you KNOW driving in the snow is different and more difficult because you can look out the window of whatever vehicle you are in and physically see it, car, bus, truck, literally any vehicle which every single Canadian has been in. So you know when you get your license that the conditions are going to be different and you have to react accordingly. Someone who comes from a country that does not have snow does not have this experience or “common sense” that it’s different and your driving needs to change.  The difference is growing up seeing the difference in driving vs never seeing snow/never seeing how the conditions of the road change when it’s snows. The difference is EXPERIENCE and there is valid reason to point it out because it is a valid concern. And as I’ve said it’s for the SAFETY of them and others this is not supposed to prevent people from coming into the country but to make sure they are safe when driving in very dangerous conditions. >

"Canadians don’t have to take tests, but as I’ve agreed with other people I do infact believe we should have to."
But that's not what you chose to make a post about. >

Okay and that doesn’t diminish the fact that many accidents happen from inexperienced drivers in winter conditions, do you not want people to have every chance to be safe and make it home to their families every night? And I am allowed to have multiple options on different things. I like cats that doesn’t mean I hate dogs? >

"that doesn’t diminish the fact that many accidents happen from inexperienced drivers in winter conditions"
I never said it does.  Also, not all people who are inexperienced in driving in winter conditions are immigrants.
Nobody is arguing that snow doesn't make driving more dangerous, so there's no reason for you to keep going on about it.  People are simply calling you out on your blatant and obvious xenophobia.
"I like cats that doesn’t mean I hate dogs?"
False analogy. >

Being from Minnesota, I can relate.  Canada and the Northern US at least should have drivers tests like in Finland.  Those people are hardcore. >

Exactly!! It’s for the safety of everyone on the roads because it’s so dangerous if you don’t know how to adapt to the conditions!! >

People are so quick to call OP xenophobic for simply mentioning "immigrants" in the post. Why would someone who's never seen snow or even driven in it know how to drive through it? The thought itself is not xenophobic. >

My country has snow in a very small part of the country a full days drive from where I live. I have never actually seen snow and I’m in no hurry to. >

This is the number one reason I'm stuck in Florida. I have no idea how to drive in that shit and I'm afraid I'll kill myself/family. >

It is just odd that, this is an issue. Because tons of places have snow, not only Canada, and no one seem to have enough problems to complain about it. I mean, if this is safety issue instead of insurance issue, sure, it is important. And I think it is important enough that the government should be a better job keeping the road less slippery?
If this is such a safety issue, go do something to make the road dry. Put those red dirt to make the water harder to freeze, whatever engineering to solve the problems. Pass regulation to have some kind of traction control to all cars. Put more police to enforce speed limit. Add more stops.
Forcing people to become professional drivers is so unreliable. They don't have enough practice. They could be staying home for COVID-19 and out of practice. Tons of kids never drove a car before. Not everyone can learn at the same speed. It is an unreliable solution.
Seriously, tell your government to do a better job making the road less slippery, period. If the government is lazy or cheap, slap their faces. If your road is slippery, it shouldn't be slippery, period. >

I love watching people with poorly maintained vehicles try to get up the large hill I live on...only to find out they have to turn at the top...it's a no entry (one way) past the apex. They always seem shocked they can't continue going straight and even more shocked there are others on the road waiting for them to make a decision.
They spin out, swerve, and beep beep.