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2 years actually. This was my very first Gb when I started out on this hobby. Other keysets and keyboards came in before this finalized coloring. Also with Dreamscape.
I'm fairly sure it'll be two years actually.
Edit: just checked, it'll be two years. I ordered mine January 31st 2021. >

How is this acceptable? >

It's not lol >

it is absolutely acceptable to the majority of people here >

Because some oldbies' solutions for those who are "impatient" >!or actually cared that their money went to something!< is to "shut the fuck up, learn the fuck up, or get the fuck out."
It's not really that acceptable. It's just complaining about it would be like digging a grave of a dead horse only to beat on it before the other Venerated Elders^TM spitroast you to the afterlife.
Actually... it's an hyperbole. The rule is that even those who are in the game for quite some time can understand 6 months - 1.5 year. But 2+ years? They "accept" it because of the caveat emptor disclaimer... but it is still definitely not an experience that they want to have. >

ePBT's queue is getting close to being worse than GMK's if it's not already there. GMK's been churning them out lately and picking up the pace. ePBT is seemingly getting worse.
ePBT will be by far the worst wait in the hobby by June unless Keyreative starts taking orders again. >

Their quality is pretty bad as well. Every ePBT set i've gotten has the worst edges i've seen. They're not cleaned up at all and look chewed up. It's so ugly. >

I felt this with my Kuro Shiro set >

Yup, that’s pretty bad. Bought Origami as well and same issues. >

I bought Origami on extras + eBay though. The only correct way to do this. >

Amateurs. Whilst waiting for the GMK Norde set, I've moved house twice and had a kid. Who is nearly 2 years old. >

Maybe GMK deadlines can be set as good benchmarks to assess personal goals.... >

I should plan to set up a tuition fund for my GMK sets lol >

dreamscape here. around ~1.5 years have passed since the gb and we’re still at colour matching lol >

GBs are just interest free loans. >

Everybody talking about EPBT or GMK but nobody ever mention Keyreative. 
KAT Mizu GB ended in late 2020 with an expected shipping date of June 2021. Now that we’re almost 2 years later, still nothing. I don’t think the colormatching is even done. 
This is the first ever GB I took part in and I had the time to buy 25 keyboards and 30+ Keysets (that have arrived !) in the meantime. >

That still hasn’t shipped??? I opted out of that group buy and got a refund. >

I think alumizu might ship first >

This is why I’m scared of getting into a group buy. I would not wanna risk waiting 2 years for a keeb lmao. 
Heck even waiting a normal amount of time for a group buy is iffy, as I may not like them by the time I finally get them. I’m an impatient person anyways so waiting more than a week or two for something I paid for isn’t for me. >

I’ve lost interest in the hobby since getting into about 10+ group buys that haven’t shown up >

As Hipyo once said “I don’t caaAaAAAaare about plastic” 
It’s sad that something that kills this hobby for a lot of people is so prominent >

I've been waiting on a KAT set for 2.5 years now, and another set from Milkyway about a year >

KAT, I wish I can cancel all my KAT stuff its just taking too long >

I’m still waiting on KAT Slurp from 2020…. >

At least it will be ABS when delivered. Reverse dyesub woulda been horrific with those colors. Cyberspace being a perfect example of how bad the dyesub process was. >

stopsupportinggroupbuys >

In-stock extras only for me >

This is the way >

It truly is. I built 20 boards in the last year. All in stock, all high end. There's no need for GB anymore. >

Reading through these comments, it's insane to me how commonplace it is in this hobby to wait months to years for some keycaps. I'd like for things to change but y'all keep putting your money into these group buys and just accept the horrendous wait times. >

the obsession with keycaps ruined this for me. All it did is make this in to a nerdy sneaker-hypebest equivalent >

I mean, all hobbies based around exclusivity and limited production runs will inevitably have some level of hypebeast-esque culture. I just thought it'd be around keyboards or switches, not the things used to decorate them. >

Yeah, GMK Peaches n Cream Lite is about to hit the 2 year mark as well. I still can’t bring myself to put different key caps on the Ikki68 Aurora PnC though… >

Guys, group buys are just kickstarters for rich keyboard heads... there is 0 point complaining, we all know what we're signing up for. >

I mean no, because most of these sets, are promised 6 month wait or even 1 year wait for GMK but its been pushed to 2 years+ wait time. A lot of these are bought during corvid so there is no excuses that they didn't know about logistical problems, covid been hapening for a whole year before some of these sets started running >

If pushbacks stress you out kickstarter/gbs may not be for you. >

ummm, stop making excuses for GMK lol. They intentionally mislead people by saying its 12 month lead time when at the time they have not delivered sets from more than 12 month ago so they know but they didn't care. They then come out 6 month later saying we need to push back more. >

I'm not, I'm saying bitching about it is pointless. Cancel and get your money back, and if you can't stomach this kind of thing, stick to in-stock boards and caps. >

The reason I am complaining its because I have 50+ GBs that I waited 18 month or longer. I hope my complaining can help someone now looking to join GBs so they don't make the same mistake >

We're all familiar with what group buys are, the pitfalls, etc. Your comment is not a community service, it's nothing more than venting.
I'm going to say this as gently as possible... if you try to do business with someone and they punch you in the nuts, the correct response is to stop doing business with them. Trying 49 more times is just asking to be punched in the nuts. >

Your logic makes absolutely no sense, How did I know 18 month ago that these stuff will be delayed more and more, I only found out after a while being in the hobby that GMK basically lied through their teeth that they can still fulfill when they could not. When I found out about KAT and ePBT I immediately gave up on them.
And you can not refund GBs, or I would have for a lot of them. Venting or not, someone will see it and maybe it will change their mind on GBs >

Get a refund through your credit card company/etc. 
You can absolutely refund a good or service undelivered, it just may take going to your CC merchant rather than the company holding your $ - since they have no motivation to give you your money back.
18 months ago this subreddit existed, as did many many many stories of GBs (and anything kickstarter-esque) taking a year or more, often being not what's advertised, sometimes never showing up. If you weren't up for that, and chose not to research before making FIFTY (50) purchases, that is kind of on you, don't you think? >


There is a time limit on credit card purchases (charge back) 120 days 
most vendor do not accept credit card (this is not America where everyone has a credit card or accept them)

I did my research and like you said people have said things taking 1+ years sometimes but at the time when you ask people what is the time for GMK to deliver people would refered you to GMK statements that said 6-12 month. Which now looking back you can clearely see GMK was lying. I dont know what your agenda is but the blame here is not on the buyer but 100% on the manufactures. >

Had to wait over two years for a KAT set. That was my first and last keycap group buy >

Yeah this was my first ever group buy, and it’s my last. Almost no communication given, conflicting update reports, it really just left a bad taste in my mouth. Probably just going to sell the set off when I get, maybe then it’ll be worth the time waiting >

Lmao this was my first group buy too. I got everything in the set because I thought it looked awesome and now I’m totally over it just because of the wait. Two years is just unacceptable. >

my epbt winter breath still hasnt moved, i ordered november 2021 >

I believe its completed production and shipped from a few vendors now (might be in stock on kbdfans). Probably on a boat right now on its way to whatever vendor you ordered from, I'm guessing? >

I'll never be buying from Kono again.
Edit: to clarify it took almost a year to receive support for replacement keycaps that were missing on a set of KAT Cyberspace. When I finally received a package with the 3 missing keys, one of the replacement keys was the wrong one. I just gave up at that point and wrote them off. My GMK set was also damaged during shipping but thankfully it was just the box. Not sure if that was them or FedEx but the outside box wasn't as damaged as the GMK box. >

kono moment >

The endgame is learning that all custom keycap sets take forever to arrive. >

Ill just stick to gmk extras and nk cherry in stock sets. 
I have like 10 gmk sets and they all showed up within a month because they were extras. >

This the play at this point - no risk - extras are pretty cheap now vs what they used to be. >

Seems extras stick around for a lot longer than they used to too. >

The hype of MK makes vendor preorder way more than few years before.
NK, monokei, drop sometimes even sell discounted instock gmk with a price lower than GB. >

Don't forget Cannonkeys, Omnitype, Spaceholdings, Mech & Co, and Kono (though Kono is often overpriced, and are the idiots that fucked up the GB being discussed in this thread).
It's never been a better time for in stock GMK keycaps. They're everywhere if you know where to look. >

I've been waiting on ePBT Timeless for ages now. >

Well you kinda knew what youve been getting into >

kekw >

As if epbt's wait time alone wasn't bad, couple that with Kono as a vendor = double ouch 😔 >

is that all? >

I guess I shouldn't be hopeful for seeing epbt acadia anytime soon >

Its been a year with minimal updates 😩 >

Yeah this is my first toe dip ever into group buys and I think I'm done lol >

I've been keeping an eye on Ramenstop because Sniper is behind it in queue and at the rate it's going it'll be 2 years for Sniper as well. >

I saw epbt timeless and wanted to get extras and saw q2 2022 estimate. How naive of me. >

This is why people buy knock offs, they get them out within a month. >

Group buys are breaking the industry. >

These are nice. Any clones out there? >

You can’t clone something that doesn’t exist yet right? >

You can it’s just colours >

It’s kind of a scam at this point >

So pretty! But a year is a bit... >

Most of my sets are 18 month+ wait right now... >

Epbt and keyrearive are absolutely worse than GMK right now. I bought into dreamscape and I think they’re still getting samples… >

That’s the exclusive keyboard culture for you, honestly it’s gross how damn lazy these manufacturers are. Still waiting for my KARA SEQ-2 that I ordered well over a year and a half ago. >

My Thermal+ was about to hit 2 years. I cancelled that shit and bought a Mode Sonnet >

I am tempted to cancel my thermal+ but they are going to ship soon and I don't know what to do. since I invested 2 years of time already, I dont want to leave empty handed >

This was the first groupbuy I ever joined and because of it I will NEVER join another one. These caps were supposed to be part of a build for my younger sister and I just ended up getting her something else. Sure they're not as fancy but did she love her board? Of course. 
I'm not interested in groupbuys anymore and no one will ever convince me to chance one again. It's basically the same as getting scammed on Kickstarter. >

nope. >

Get your money back. They’re scammers. I’m not even joking. >

First time? >

Im trying to show people gmk arent the slowest anymore. 
While gmk may still have had thebworst wait time to date... they have really ramped up production. At one point they even said they should be caught up with product by years end.
Meanwhile if epbt keeps that this rate, by the end of 2023 they will be the longest wait times a lot of people in the hobby will see. 
Epbt might become the new punching bag. >

Hmm. I’m waiting on GMK stealth. That GB ended over 2 years ago. >

looks like its gonna take another year of waiting >

GMK has announced they expect all outstanding GBs to be finished in production and ready to ship to vendors by September of this year. >

That's good to hear >

at lease gmk is trying and now spitting them out like cheap bubblegum, fast.