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How about no sermons delivered by elected officials thanks
And just like that, Republicans wanted separation of Church and State. >

Fine with me if that’s what it takes. >

Based comment. Morality is not a religion it’s a sense of values. Vote based on morality and political records not religion and charisma. >

Happy early MLK day, when Republicans will quote the but from MLK's "I have a dream" speech about how the Declaration of Independence was a promissory note that made every man equal...
...and when Republicans will deliberately omit the very next line about how the US wrote a bad check in terms of equality for African Americans >

I expect the "not the color of their skin but the content of their character" quote about 1000x tomorrow. >

Indeed. Heard someone say in an interview he tends to get sanitized and romanticized and frozen in place in those moments when his rhetoric is about equality  and less about the nitty gritty of how African Americans had to fight for it against systemic racial oppression. >

And don’t forget they completely eliminate any mention of his Socialism or class consciousness. >


And don’t forget they completely eliminate any mention of his Socialism or class consciousness.

Tbf, the opposite is true from people who want to reduce everything down to economic class and then desperately scream about how they got cheated in primaries.
Race is important, economics is important, telling people their concerns over racism are irrelevant and that they need to focus on economics is a great way to lose their vote. >

What candidates are you referring to? I've seen the odd leftist online who insists that there is no conflict but class conflict but most any left leaning individual I've ever met or seen run agrees at the very least that both axes of oppression exist and play a role in people's lives. >

Bernie Sanders. Not that he ever specifically said that, but his supporters would often tell minorities who were hesitant to support him that racism isn't a thing, it's just economics. And then they got angry that minorities weren't flocking to that message. >

Yea, not something Bernie said, also not something he really pushed more his fans. Also not something he really pushed back on. As a single spectrum candidate though sticking to message did help divert Biden and other candidates far more left and his issues got more notice which is good.
I generally consider Bernie's 2020 run a big success. I think anyone wanting to run on the same general concept is going to have to stop pretending to be race blind and that it's not a significant factor. >

Just a reminder that Evangelical "Christians" voted for a guy that hasn't been to church is years over one that goes every Sunday. >

They voted for hershel walker too who paid for several abortions, abandoned his kids and assaulted his wife. >

and that was instead of the actual pastor of MLK’s church. >

Remember when hey found out Obama went to church all the time,  so they had to attack the pastor at that church instead of attacking Obama for a change? 
Good times >

I can already see tuckers fart face. Is Biden racist? Why has he not done a sermon for white people? >

I read that in his voice and now I’m annoyed >

I would have thought Trump would have been the first what with his strong religious convictions. >

Agreed.  After all, the verse he values the most is the first rule:

Once you have their money, you never give it back. >

Is that two Corinthians? >

Rules of Acquisition >

It should've been Trump.
"You black people are great. A real terrific people. That whole Civil rights thing was quite something. I probably wouldn't have done it, but that's just me. But something made you guys determined to do that for some reason. Maybe you and I are alike after all. I knew had to make this country great by becoming your president. And hopefully you voted for me. Because if you didn't, well, I wouldn't be too pleased. Ivanka once dated a black guy. He was something. Tiffany was surprised. I told her, 'No. It's just a phase.' And it was you know. Ivanka married a Jew instead. What can you do? " >

6/10, Way too coherent. >

I imagined it to be a prepared speech. >

look, I would've done a way better Sermon because I'm way better at Speaking and at being Presidential than Sleepy Joe.  they said there's never been a President like President Trump, so true, I came in, we had no Military, I said what happened, "I hate to tell you this Sir but it's Obama, he sold all of our Army Tanks to China," and I said oh just beautiful, here we are doing things so nicely under Trump but anytime you look at the Democrats you can see they're killing our Country and killing our Constitution, our Beautiful Constitution, and nobody's done more to protect it than I have.  no one.  and I just had it just the other day, I was doing an incredible round of Golf, one of my best games ever, extremely under Par, we're talking almost zero, and all of a sudden here comes this Big Strong Man, very good looking, we're talking even better looking than Richard Gere, and I look and I see he's got tears in his eyes, "thank you Sir, thank you for saving my Pension and for saving us from the Evil Democrats," and I said it's not a problem, not a problem.  you know we never had any problems for 4 Years, I gave you all 4 Years of Peace and Beauty and you look at the Radical Left and all they have is Death and Taxes, it's a real shame what they've done to our Country.  and we're gonna be doing a lot, I'm doing a lot of things, 2024, we're looking at it very strongly.  we'll see what happens.  ok, you're welcome, you can thank me now or thank me later, whatever you want, and they say that I'm too nice sometimes, that's probably true. >

Thank you for your John Mulaney reference of an account >

and they said to me, "thank you Sir for being even more incredible than someone who has a very high waist," you could say he's a very High Waisted Man, which is something that I just came up with, and I can already tell the Radical Left Fake News doesn't wanna even talk about it.  and I hate to say it but i have to say it, he has Feminine Hips, it's a real problem.  but as long as you have President Trump then you have no problems.  ok, have a beautiful time, no one's stronger remember that, you're welcome. >

But where were you when Johnny got pushed off the swing? >

Overall, I am pretty cool with this. As long as Christianity isnt pressed down to his staff or others. With that said, some of these comments are pretty wild.
Doesn't Biden have the freedom to express his Religion and Freedom of Speech?
I mean sure if you disagree with his views, sure we can all agree to disagree on how we view the world and religion but, let's not get overly hostile over this.
How would we react if we had a Jewish president starts celebrating Hanukkah, a Buddhist reading out the Dharma, or a Hinduist practicing Bhakti? >

Being honest I would be totally fine with a rule barring any sitting member of government from any public expression of religion. They can do that in private or while they’re not an elected figure. If their religion is so important to them that they can’t keep it private while in office they probably shouldn’t be in office making rules for a country full of people that believe in other religions or no religion at all. 
Of course in reality if such a rule got passed they would try and argue that Christian religious expressions are just normal and not religious and only try to stop non Christian’s from expressing their beliefs. >

ITT: An awful lot of pearl clutching from people I don't trust are american. >

Would be more fitting for Bernie Sanders to do this since he was arrested at those very same civil rights protests back then. >

It’s amazing how this sub will normally bend over backwards to defend Biden, but once church is involved the pitchforks come out 😂 Let the man be. It’s a nice gesture. >

Biden is an actual bigot...  actually entered politics with KKK..   he was a strong segregationist... >

Kinda seems like you’re making shit up >

Spend 5 minutes... research outside the bubble.  47 years in politics.  Go to his roots.  He's just pandering now
Kkk eulogy
Biden segregation
Racial jungle
U ain't black
Clarence Thomas >

Or you might say he has learned to be a better man as he’s gotten older and the world has changed. >


and the world has changed

It's just this. Biden hasn't changed, but his voter base has changed, so he needs to play the part. >

Who gives a crap if he gives a sermon. He's just a religious guy following his religious beliefs, he's not declaring america any which religion. >

I think Sen Warnock, who is still a pastor at that church, delivered the sermon. The Biden speech was in addition to that. >

MLK was murdered by the FBI. >

Why is-the-Jesus-loving-fuck is the president of anything giving a sermon in a church? >



There is very little fundamental difference between a speech and a sermon beyond the venue.


This specific church plays heavily in the observances of MLK day (since it was his church), so political and religious blends naturally.


He was invited by the current senior pastor (Senator Warnock). >

IMO religion and politics should never blend. >

I guess we shouldn't have a federal holiday celebrating the legacy of a pastor then. >

I don’t think the holiday is celebrating his accomplishments as a pastor. >

The success of the civil rights movement was so highly dependent on the church that trying to separate the two marginalizes MLK.
I'm not sure that trying to compartmentalize MLK as merely a pastor in one moment, and then one of the best known civil rights leaders the other moment is accurate.
Celebrating Bob Barker's success as a pet-population-control activist can't be removed from his success as a game-show host because the former required the latter in order to have the success it had.
MLK's success as a civil rights activist can't really be removed from his success as a pastor because he took full advantage of the pulpit to spread his message. To separate those would, in essence, be attempting to deny the influence that MLK had as a pastor--influence that directly affected the pathway towards increased civil rights. >

That’s a really good point and I hadn’t considered that. However, I don’t believe ol flat hat was saying “we shouldn’t have a federal holiday celebrating the legacy of a pastor” out of good faith. That statement was compartmentalizing his civil rights activism and his work as a pastor, and then nulling out his legacy as a civil rights leader. >

No, it was pointing out that someone can be both political and religious, and that being religious shouldn't conflict with their ability to be recognized politically. Biden is a politician but also religious. He's allowed to attend church. He's allowed to give a sermon in a church. To say otherwise is to insist that all politicians be atheists, which is itself a religious requirement in that it requires someone to not be religious. >

I never said Biden shouldn’t have done that. I actually wasn’t talking about him at all. >

Ah, I mixed you up with DamagedFreight, didn't realize the user switched partway through the thread. >

MLK, a socialist, must be turning in his grave watching this neoliberal reaganite, a textbook example of the ‘white moderate’, speak at his church and continue to whitewash his radical legacy. >

The fact you’re trying to compare Biden and Reagan with each other is pretty telling. >

Bill Clinton turned the Democratic Party into a Reaganite party. Biden, Senator from MBNA, being fully on board with that program. >

Presidents of the United States shouldn’t be officiating any sort of public religious ceremony period.
Edit: who knew reddit was so full of religious nuts 🤷🏻‍♂️ >

Not as presidents, but they don't lose their personal lives when elected. The man in the church mustn't use the influence or powers of his day-job's office. The man at work mustn't privilege the place he goes on the weekend. >

I’m a firm believer in separation of church and state. He should keep his religion to himself when it comes to public appearances. >

I don't feel strongly about any presidents giving sermons... >

Well, he was born a poor black child. >

Not a fan of US government officials praying much less delivering sermons and in a religious institution at that.  Pretty soon they'll be propagandizing stuff like ," in god we trust' in school rooms, court rooms, even in the paper money they print endlessly. >

Or you know they are people with their beliefs that they are allowed to practice just like everyone else in the country. But that’s just crazy, right? >

I think the commenter is being deeply sarcastic. I could be wrong.