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At this point it seems like it's let's get all our old shit out for target practice. Plus the losses Russia is taking can only be sustainable for so long at this point. >

thats litrally the plan.  not only does it cement a partnership with a rising local power (ukraine) it shows how much more powerful the west is then the east. our outdated tech manned by people who where only just trained on it can beat  their best. 
bonus is.. we where trying to find a way to get rid of the stuff anyways. and we found a very motivated buyer.. a buyer that woudl spend (very little actual cash) but lots and lots of "power coupons".. the things used in that big international game of politics. >

The bigger gain is Ukrainian natural resources and the buffer state that Moscow never wanted.
What’s worse is that it’s a justified war on the side of the Ukrainians. Which means that the Russians have given Ukrainians a solid reason to start seeing themselves as a separate ethnic group.
We’re seeing the last vestiges of the Russian Empire. Let us hope that it does not mean the end of the world. >

poor Belarus :( >

I thought Hawk missile was obsolete long time ago. >

As was Gepard, out phased from the German army about years ago. Thought to be mostly useless against jet engine fighters.
And then slow flying cruise missiles and drones happened ... >

This conflict has pointed out the need for point defense weapons that can be used against drones.  Think R2D2s on trucks. >

you mean like the c-ram? >

Those things are fucking terrifying with how fast they can target and fire. >

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 72%. (I'm a bot)


The Biden administration asked Israel for the old Hawk anti-aircraft missiles it has in storage in order to transfer them to Ukraine, three Israeli and U.S. officials told Axios.
Flashback: Israel purchased the Hawk system from the U.S. in the 1960s to defend itself against Egyptian and Syrian airstrikes.
What they're saying: Earlier this month, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin gave a speech at an AIPAC leadership conference in Washington in which he hinted at the U.S. request to Israel for the Hawk missiles.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Hawk^#1 U.S.^#2 Israel^#3 system^#4 Israeli^#5 >

Israel is almost certain to refuse since they blocked other weapons exports, for example the SPIKE ATGM that Germany wanted to export to Ukraine. >

Depends on if Israel owns them or if the missiles are owned by the US but staged in Israel in case of a middle eastern conflict. The US already pulled 100,000 rounds of artillery from Israel from their warehouses. >

In that case the US would not need to ask for permission though. >

They still do if they want to continue to exert soft power >

Naw the US owns them >

Knives are obsolete, yet still kill. Obsolescence is a relative term, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t still kill. The A110 Warthog is due to be decommissioned this year. Yet I contend for close in air support there’s been none better. Send them to Ukraine, see how they due against Russian troops and armament. >

perhaps the U.S. should redirect some of the defense funding for Israel over to Ukraine?? >

The US has given Ukraine almost 20 years worth of what it gives to Israel every year (3bln) over the last year so... >

Good luck, they’ve been pretty lackluster in their support of Ukraine….too afraid of the Putin. >

The Russian-Israeli entente is worth a further look. >

Israel does give Ukraine military aid, just not lethal aid. Japan has the same policy btw >

Israel has sent aid to Ukraine, but why would you be surprised they don't want to send certain military aid that would place Israeli cities and civilians at risk - especially when Ukraine has voted against Israel in the UN? >


So Israel thinks Ukraine would start bombing them next? Yeah, okay.

Russia would help Iran deter Israeli strikes on Iranian weapons transfers through Syria to hostile paramilitaries and terrorist groups throughout the region. 
Right now Russia turns a blind eye. They needn't (and very likely wouldn't) continue to do so. >

At this point I think it’s pretty clear that Israel could trivially stomp whatever ‘deterrence’ Russia chooses to provide for Iran. Ukraine is doing a pretty good using obsolete Soviet jets jerry-rigged with obsolete versions of HARM. 
Israel has stealth fighters armed with fully integrated cutting edge weapons of both US and domestic designs. >

Iran wants to buy Russian jets and the S-400. In recent years, an S-300 downed an Israeli F-16 and an S-200 damaged an F-35.
The threat is real, both directly to Israeli planes and airmen and indirectly with more advanced weapons going to terrorists. >


and an S-200 damaged an F-35.

I never heard that, though I’m not saying I don’t believe you. But it’s also true that the Israelis normally fly with the fresnel reflectors fitted. Would be a different proposition in full stealth mode. Those S-200s are pretty old. >

I thought Israel was a US ally? >

A really shitty one. >

The missiles were purchased and are owned by Israel. Decommissioned years ago and left in storage.   I believe Israel will give them to ukraine >

So, is this how we're disarming the world now? Very creative strategy, methinks.