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It's constant though, it's almost impossible to have a coherent discussion about this. We're winning.... close the skies. Russia is a hopeless basketcase..... help us quickly before we die...... the Russians don't want to fight and are surrendering en masse....... quick more weapons or We're fucked. The truth is Ukraine and Russia are in a vicious struggle and both suffering terribly. Ukraine is losing many lives and huge amounts of equipment. It will take a gargantuan effort to compell Russia to give up Crimea by force, and the more we funnel in the more existential this becomes for Russia and the easier the war is to sell to the Russian people. 
When the intervention began and all the western leaders flatout said they'd not send heavy offensive weapons because that'd escalate the situation (their words) any 5 year old could have seen we'd end up here. I think it's important for us armchair reddit generals to take a more honest appraisal of the situation, it's a violent struggle that is costing Ukraine dearly and win or lose they'll be brought to their knees.
in the meantime they should get more missle defence systems for the 3 month wait.
a lot can happen in 3 months. >

They should arrive before the campaign season begins. >

He would rather have triples of the tank. >

But how’s he doing with Barracudas? >

He’s got triples of the barracuda… triples of the road runner… triples of the nova… triples is best. Triples is safe. >

Your dad and I go way back, isn't that right? >

Yes deliveries starting 3 months from now for Germany’s 12 tanks is ridiculous. People need to seriously consider the long term / permanent consequences of Ukraine losing this war >

I seriously doubt countries are taking longer for delivery "just because".
If it takes 3 months that's probably the soonest they can be ready >

Does not change the fact that delivering 12 tanks in 3 months is ridiculous given that Ukraine was asking for them for almost a year now. >

You can’t just deliver a tank and say here you go there is so much to do behind the lines >

Yes there is. So I’m not saying when Scholz announced this the tanks should have been on the border ready to be taken into Ukraine. >

There should also be new tanks on the way in upgraded factories. Scholz in June 2022 got a 100 billion Euro emergency budget from the German parliament but spends none of it on weapons or ammunition for Ukraine. >

Because it is not for Ukraine. It is meant for rebuilding a functioning Defense for Germany. Also Ukraine got a lot off financial help >

Yeah that was an insane comment. Germany still had to worry about their own defences. >

Lmfao these people think countries are going to start stripping their own armies to help Ukraine. Actually delusional. >

lotta russian bots in this thread >

Personal attacks on Zelensky mean putin be mad and they work overtime >

“Zelensky’s not even hot bro. Putin’s way hotter….Hello Czarina Putina!” >

Lol it’s so funny how Zelensky always comes off as strongly pressuring the west to send them weapons, even though the west are in full control of it all and could cut off at any time.
I understand all the pressures here and why each country is projecting as they project, but it’s just interesting to watch from a distance.
Edit: I’m not criticizing Zelensky for this, I’m just saying it’s interesting. I get that he has to put on this persona of a war time leader - but he’s badgering other countries for arms nonstop for a war his country is fighting. It’s just interesting is all. >


Lol it’s so funny how Zelensky always comes off as strongly pressuring the west to send them weapons, even though the west are in full control of it all and could cut off at any time.

Which is the point, if tanks where send half a year ago this war would be over already. now Russia mobilized more men and it's harder to end the war. >

Half a year ago everyone was laughing that Russia was donating so much equipment that Ukraine wouldn't need any from anywhere else. >

It all it was, jokes. Everyone knew they need to start learning people on operating NATO tanks.