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Hahaha you sound so fucking jealous mate
They get 2 months + 16 weeks + 1 week for every year they worked there + all the other stuff
They’re literally getting like 6-10 months of salaries, probably can start looking for a job right away. Unless it was somebody’s one and only dream to work at a specific tech company their whole life they’ll honestly be better off getting fired >

This isn’t true. If you are lucky enough to get a new job before the severance ends, you get paid from both. >

These links aren't to a single severance agreement offered.so I have a hard time buying that CNN and friends are providing the facts that are individual to each company and the individual being laid off. >

I literally collected full severance and worked a new job at the same time making more than the previous one in 2021. So I say CNN and friends is full of crap too >

Yeah I'll definitely believe anecdotal evidence presented by a random internet person over a law firm, employment website and journalists. >

And yet none of those things are anyone individual severance contracts.....are they....? >

Been laid off twice so far in my life. It suuuuucks, but my life continued.  I found new and better positions.  If they were worth the job they were doing, then they will find new work and excel in life.  If they sucked at their job and deserved the layoff, then they might not bounce back as well.  Either way the ball is in their court, crying about it on social media is a bad look. >

The thing with this tech layoffs is that the majority of people who are being fired nowadays actually do not come from IT backgrounds, but from Human Resources, Management, Recruitment... Roles whose purpose is to recruit as cheap as possible and keep the staff minimally happy with their job conditions. And if there is no recruitment to be made + less risk of your employees to sign off due to the economic environment, these roles are easily disposable.
In contrast to other roles, these people live inside LinkedIn and any other platforms where you can "brag" about your job career and your sucess, and thus it has been quite ironic to see all these tiktokers and other "job influencers" being laid off. And if you add that basically no one really knows what they actually do as their day by day work... you get this response. >

The weird thing about tech companies in my experience is that the techies are a minority and even they have groups within groups. 
You get a few core people who know stuff. Like, really know how it’s put together in the 237th combo out of a possible 600 combinations and why it must be that combination. 
Then you get grunts like me who hack stuff. We’re pretty disposable. 
Then you get non-techies who manage and organise. Very disposable. 
Those groups can have very different outcomes in a contraction, but sometimes accountants (or owners….looking at you, Mr Musk) make hasty decisions and get them wrong. >

What decision did Musk get wrong? Politics aside, Twitter is running fine with 50%+ fewer employees. Seems more impressive than anything else. >

He turned off bloatware and 2FA failed, for one. 
He let go the compliance people and might get bit hard for that one. 
I don’t remember the others. 
He’s a very rich idiot.
Above is a knee-jerk reply. It’s bad of me but at least I’m not doing that with a big company. 
I think where he went wrong is to assume that he understood a product that has evolved over a decade in a week. That’s naive. >

Most people don’t understand that programs are not static. They constantly need maintenance and updates. Stop that work and the software degrades. 
If you closed every car service department today almost every car would not be affected at all for a while. 
Over time, the entire car driving population would fail. 
I’m not a programmer but we deal with our software vendors and the majority of the people there are hardworking folks who have earned their spots. 
These layoffs are brutal and since they are all happening at the same time it makes their ability to get another job much harder. >

That ‘not static’ point is very well made. We do releases weekly, different teams affecting the code base. Slimming workforces at a stroke is dangerous. >

Aren't these the same profession of people who told rust belt workers who were upset at being laid off that they should "learn to code"?
Maybe they need to follow their own advice. >

Right? I guess in hindsight making all those tiktoks about how they litterally did nothing all day at their WFH jobs was a bad idea. >

Unfortunately remote working will lead to off shoring. >

Cleaning up messes made by outsourced workers was literally my last 2 paid internships in a nutshell. >

In the Sun Also Rises when Mike was asked, How do you go bankrupt? He responded: Two ways. Gradually, then then suddenly. 
Offshoring of more complex IT jobs will work in the same way. >

The big tech firms are weird. They are trying to the the center of their employees lives . Like their Head HR people talk about the spiritual health of their employees. 
If you buy into it when you work there your social lives and hobbies are usually center around the company.
These people got booted from not just there jobs but there community. >

Yeah I was genuinely pretty disappointed I didn't get laid off; our lottery winners got 4+ months of pay and resources to update resumes and apply elsewhere. >

I'm sure they'll bounce back.  I'd personally like to see mass influencer layoffs instead. >

They are often one in the same… >

Me who has never had a severance package.. Or any package.. >

Many of them weren’t doing their jobs in the first place, anyway. For example, if Twitter moderators were actually moderating instead of just sitting around and letting algorithms do any work for them, they might not be fired. >

This is basically "you can't be sad about anything that happens to you because someone else always has it worse". >

you can be sad but don't expect to feel sad for you. >

Same. I don’t wish them ill, but I don’t have much sympathy for them either. Why should I care more about a programmer than a miner or construction worker? >

Why should you care less? >

Because these are the same people when people in the trades are laid off respond with “lmao learn to code 💅“ >

Yes, categorically every tech worker looks down on and belittles trade workers. Just like every trade worker is a racist alcoholic, right? >

I really don’t care what people think of me or trade workers in general. I’m just saying for those people it’s about time they got a taste of their own medicine >

Nice job completely ignoring the point being made >

Being laid off sucks especially if it's your first time. You lose out on the relationships you created with your teams and colleagues. people who work for FAANGs tend to be high achievers and have built their identity around working at such highly esteemed companies. It's a blow to your ego to be one of the ones on the chopping block. 
Yes, their severance package might help alleviate a good portion of their stress, but we can't know the future. We don't know if the industry will further retract.  
I think some of them  have incredible severance packages especially if they've been with the company for a long time or were offered those extended stay bonuses to help transition important projects. I worry for the new hires or the people with visas. We can't know if these people are providing for elderly parents in addition to their nuclear family. 
I see why you might want to react with resentment. I see humans who went through something awful and I hope they find success. We don't need to act like crabs in a bucket just because they're the ones "on top." >

then their "ego" deserve to be cut down. a bunch of undeserved and entitled narcissists >

I don't think having pride in working for elite tech companies is narcissism. 
Some of these companies are producing incredible technology. I don't think it's right to make such sweeping generalizations as you're making in your comment. Your venom for them will only poison yourself. >

My main issue with some of these tech workers is their own perceived self importance (and how they treat "lesser" workers like plumbers or truck drivers). Society won't suffer if Twitter goes offline. The same can't be said for sanitation workers. >


My main issue with some of these tech workers is their own perceived self importance

I think that can be said of people outside of tech as well. That mindset isn't necessarily a feature of working in tech. I think that the mindset you're calling out is a function of society telling people that going to college will solve all of your problems while simultaneously deemphasizing the importance of trades and vocational schools. 

Society won't suffer if Twitter goes offline.

I politely disagree here. Twitter has been utilized as a communication tool for political uprisings. I think in certain situations like the one mentioned above, people will suffer. I think hot takes from Elon Musk and similar tweets are not helping society. 

same can't be said for sanitation workers

100% agree here. >

I don't disagree that there's plenty of arrogant people in all fields. However, this post is about tech. 
Also, Twitter itself does not provide a way in which we eat breathe and live. >


However, this post is about tech. 

Yes.  My impression is that this becomes a logical fallacy if you fail to address that there are plenty of arrogant people in all fields because you insist on only addressing one specific slice of arrogant people. Tech people aren't the epitome of treating people arrogantly. 

Also, Twitter itself does not provide a way in which we eat breathe and live.

This is changing the goalposts. You originally said people won't suffer. I provided an example where that isn't the case and now you're changing your claim. >


Yes.  My impression is that this becomes a logical fallacy if you fail to address that there are plenty of arrogant people in all fields because you insist on only addressing one specific slice of arrogant people.

This is whataboutism. What about "insert group" that's also doing this? Stay on topic please.

This is changing the goalposts.

Not really. You could argue that my definition of "suffer" wasn't clear, but I'm sure you understood my meaning. >

Yea my buddy works for Meta. I honestly get so annoyed when talking to him about work. He probably puts in a solid 10 hours per week actually working. He just plays on his switch most days. Kid partied through college while I was pulling all nighter's. He makes WELL into 6 figures and I make significantly less, in the 5 figure territory. He got the job through his parents connections. He is one of my BFs so I am not openly jaded I am more upset about the fact that this is how the world operates. So yea...I can kind of agree, does not keep me up at night thinking about those people losing their jobs. >

Agreed. My ex works for a tech company as a designer. She made about 50% more than me and worked about 50% less than me. Whenever she complained about her job or not having time to do stuff I reminded her that she only worked 20 hrs a week… if that. >

I won’t lie.. I actually really agree with this take. 
The woe is me crap gets old. Go get a new job, if you’re smart like you claim, it’s not hard. >

They are crying because they got paid a stupid inflated salary with a inflated job title to play tiddlywinks and now no one can match what they were making so they know they are going to have to come down to earth and be with the rest of the world getting paid what that position is actually worth. They were let go because I think alot of companies realized wow we are giving half these people a free ride and way overpaying. >

Facts >

This opinion is very popular among boomers. >

I’m 28. >

Early onset boomery >

Side effects include: retirement savings, career progression, home ownership, marriage, children, and overall financial stability.
You can cure it by spending too much time on the anti work subreddit. >

Those posts are so people in their network see that they worked for a FAANG and that they are looking for a new job. That is how you play the game. >

I’ve seen tiktoks about the google office and they were literally only eating and chilling >

With all the tech layoffs lately I am expecting a lot of applications from people with degree's for entry level positions, but I suspect most won't be able to handle the workload and will quit in the first week or two.