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Then people should be very specific about it.
But that won't sell a lot of books and tickets for the lectures.
Guilt and shame helped robber barons of old control their workers, so I don't think your logic tracks. >

Of course they don't feel themselves. If there's a way to force them to feel guilt and shame then it's all good.
The problem is, I don't think they are a kind of people who even can't feel the survivor's guilt >

Guilt and shame are great when earned, but feeling guilty for existing and having done no harm to others is just self-defeating.