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I wonder how much of this sentiment stems from intentional Russian efforts though. It feels borderline schizophrenic to say, but the people who are against sending aid to Ukraine come off so pro Russian to me that I'm starting to think it is a larger, intentional thing. Here in the US, a portion of Republicans have openly pro Russian opinions, and it just seems really strange. The same people who insist there was no Russian interference in American politics tow the line for Russia, or atleast have opinions that are pro Russian. Some of them even engage in apologia for them, saying NATO is the aggressor and things of that sort. 
I don't know what to think. I don't see how people can see what's happening and not support Ukraine.
in the meantime they should get more missle defence systems for the 3 month wait.
a lot can happen in 3 months. >

They should arrive before the campaign season begins. >

He would rather have triples of the tank. >

But how’s he doing with Barracudas? >

He’s got triples of the barracuda… triples of the road runner… triples of the nova… triples is best. Triples is safe. >

Your dad and I go way back, isn't that right? >

Yes deliveries starting 3 months from now for Germany’s 12 tanks is ridiculous. People need to seriously consider the long term / permanent consequences of Ukraine losing this war >

I seriously doubt countries are taking longer for delivery "just because".
If it takes 3 months that's probably the soonest they can be ready >

Does not change the fact that delivering 12 tanks in 3 months is ridiculous given that Ukraine was asking for them for almost a year now. >

You can’t just deliver a tank and say here you go there is so much to do behind the lines >

Yes there is. So I’m not saying when Scholz announced this the tanks should have been on the border ready to be taken into Ukraine. >

There should also be new tanks on the way in upgraded factories. Scholz in June 2022 got a 100 billion Euro emergency budget from the German parliament but spends none of it on weapons or ammunition for Ukraine. >

Because it is not for Ukraine. It is meant for rebuilding a functioning Defense for Germany. Also Ukraine got a lot off financial help >

Yeah that was an insane comment. Germany still had to worry about their own defences. >

Lmfao these people think countries are going to start stripping their own armies to help Ukraine. Actually delusional. >

lotta russian bots in this thread >

Personal attacks on Zelensky mean putin be mad and they work overtime >

“Zelensky’s not even hot bro. Putin’s way hotter….Hello Czarina Putina!” >

Lol it’s so funny how Zelensky always comes off as strongly pressuring the west to send them weapons, even though the west are in full control of it all and could cut off at any time.
I understand all the pressures here and why each country is projecting as they project, but it’s just interesting to watch from a distance.
Edit: I’m not criticizing Zelensky for this, I’m just saying it’s interesting. I get that he has to put on this persona of a war time leader - but he’s badgering other countries for arms nonstop for a war his country is fighting. It’s just interesting is all. >


Lol it’s so funny how Zelensky always comes off as strongly pressuring the west to send them weapons, even though the west are in full control of it all and could cut off at any time.

Which is the point, if tanks where send half a year ago this war would be over already. now Russia mobilized more men and it's harder to end the war. >

Half a year ago everyone was laughing that Russia was donating so much equipment that Ukraine wouldn't need any from anywhere else. >

It all it was, jokes. Everyone knew they need to start learning people on operating NATO tanks. >

It's constant though, it's almost impossible to have a coherent discussion about this. We're winning.... close the skies. Russia is a hopeless basketcase..... help us quickly before we die...... the Russians don't want to fight and are surrendering en masse....... quick more weapons or We're fucked. The truth is Ukraine and Russia are in a vicious struggle and both suffering terribly. Ukraine is losing many lives and huge amounts of equipment. It will take a gargantuan effort to compell Russia to give up Crimea by force, and the more we funnel in the more existential this becomes for Russia and the easier the war is to sell to the Russian people. 
When the intervention began and all the western leaders flatout said they'd not send heavy offensive weapons because that'd escalate the situation (their words) any 5 year old could have seen we'd end up here. I think it's important for us armchair reddit generals to take a more honest appraisal of the situation, it's a violent struggle that is costing Ukraine dearly and win or lose they'll be brought to their knees. >

They need to arrive before the campaigning season hits. It’ll be close but doable. >

Every time I hear Leopard tank, I immediately picture the the Yellow Ranger’s Zord. 
It’s morphin’ time! >

Everytime i hear about him receiving stuff he seems like he is always criticizing or complaining about something. Seems really strange. >

What else is he gonna do but ask for as much as possible for his country? He will have enough time for thanking everyone after the war ends. >

Not being pro- rusky by any means, but they got so much military hw from the west that basically it's nato vs russia at this point. Of course nato gets best use of their equipment by testing it and weakening the enemy without risking any casualties. >

Nah, if it was actually NATO vs Russia this would have been over a long time ago. >

He can never just be thankful without either asking for more or making some criticism. >

It's just politics,it's not that deep. Don't take it personally >

It isn't really just politics for Ukraine though. I'd respect him less if he WASNT trying to convince the west to send as much as they possibly can. >

It isn't for Ukraine, but the actions of him seemingly criticize, for example, the time it takes to transport weaponry, or criticizing the amount, or asking for more,.is indeed politics. Keeps pressure on the west to help and doesn't let people forget about the war, because public opinion matters a lot. It is what it is, I'm not criticizing his actions, he is doing what is necessary for a person in his position. >

I get that. My main issue is with others who say he's ungrateful, or say "beggars can't be choosers." It's not like he can just sit back and say "well they helped, so thanks guys! We are good for now". 
He is fighting for the survival of himself, his family, and his country. He will try to get as much help as is possible, because it's life or death. I'm sure you know that, but unfortunately alot of people in here seem really hostile to Zelensky for whatever reason. >

But you can't waste your time with those kinds of people. They are the same people I constantly see on Twitter, under any ukranian or zelensky tweet, that they should surrender and give peace to the world and to his country and people. They are simply idiots