>

Water is wet.
You know it’s bad when even Mississippi is performing better than you. >

Seriously. I lived in FL for a number of years but got out as soon as I could. I have friends with school aged children still living there and they vent to me about the awful education system. >

If only they had a way to change it >

Except its difficult when the opposing viewpoint is shadily egged on by billionaire media corporations and radio stations. There's nothing like that for level-headed politics. It's just hand wringing and trying to 'compromise' (e: actually this is by design, and so neither side is really discontent with the situation. He'll, there was an article about dems funding some of these qanon candidates) >

The GOP likes undereducated masses. >

Idiocracy is a biproduct of conservative policies. >

The idiocracy is obviously the end games. Ignorant masses are easier to control.  That's why they hate Universities and colleges. The more educated someone becomes, the more likely they are to lean left. >

In the words of Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias." >

Greatest White House correspondence dinner  speech ever. >

Was that the same one where Obama cucked Trump >

No he somehow got asked to do it by the Bush administration, seemingly because someone didn’t understand satire and thought he was actually a conservative. This resulted in one of the most hilariously awkward things you’ll ever see as he absolutely skewers the bush-Cheney administration to their faces while the majority of the audience just sorta sits there in stunned silence. >

The WHCD really makes me kind of annoyed. It's a group of insiders who love their inside jokes and punching at easy targets, but the instant a host goes after enablers (ie. journalists like the Maggie Habermans and Bob Woodwards-post 2020 of the world) their ranks close reeeeeal quick. 
Michelle Wolf got absolutely blacklisted for telling tame AF and accurate jokes about the state of American politics and the relationship between media and bad behavior by people in power and all they wanted to talk about was their disingenuous indignation that Wolf had called Sarah Huckabee Sanders ugly. 
It shows how powerful Colbert's performance was, in retrospect. >

It’s going to get worse with Moms for Liberty (aka the Real Housewives of the Proud Boys) taking over many school boards in Florida. >

They basically destroy the local public schools so they can push charter schools. The result is worse for kids now and in the future >

Ugh. I live in Sarasota and we’re rampant with these smug assholes. During election season the advertisements have bullet points like “wife, Christian, mother” as though these are the required tenets of an electable school board member. Their superior virtue baked into the name: Moms for Liberty. In reality, I look on anyone that flies flags (plural) and throws around words like liberty, patriot, Christian, or conservative as dangerous idiots. >

Maybe it's time to start a group called something like Patriotic Parents for America that supports counter candidates to the talibangicals >

The problem is that that's basically a full time job to counter the non-stop spam of bullshit, and requires extreme passion to the point where it becomes your identity, because that has certainly already happened to them. And generally people who value a good education have much more interesting things to do with their lives than slogging in the mud with a bunch of idiots who argue in bad faith about literally everything all the time to fight over inches in policy change. The idiocy chews up your will to continue and spits out a shriveled husk devoid of motivation and filled with apathy. 
It's much easier to move. Of course that is not the long term solution, doesn't help most people, and is very easy to say to others. But really that's the most practical course of action for most people who find themselves in this situation and want to get themselves out of it. >

Perfectly summed up the shit sandwich I'm eating daily. Friends & family are usually the nail in the ground that keeps us here as well. You learn to compartmentalize. 
-Florida native >

Same over in south Louisiana. (And waiting out for my pension as I am one of the very fortunate few who still have one.)
It also takes a lot of money to move and many people don’t have it. When you live paycheck to paycheck with rising costs, you can’t really save up to move. It’s a privileged position to suggest people “just move” and ignores that many - if not most - cannot because of economics, family responsibilities, jobs, etc. >

I feel like electing a governor that bans math books for being too woke was a bad sign. >

To be fair I was shocked to see a third grade math book that said if johnny and his boyfriend have 12 dollars and a butt plug costs 3.50, how many can they buy? Or at least I think that's what conservatives think is being taught in math class. >

I know you're making that up because the problem has gendered pronouns in it. >

Yes, but conservatives Would believe it. >

The way they tried so had to push the litter box thing makes me definitely believe conservatives would believe that scenario without a second thought. Everything needs to be a culture war for them. >

Culture wars are how the conservative elites distract their constituents. >

If I'm not mistaken it's the GOP's plan to defund public schools to keep the masses ignorant while using the savings to subsidize the private education of their own.  You should know, assuming you've the same public social sciences education as me, that this never ends well. >

Back in 1995, 96, when I had moved down to FL from CT due to my parents getting a divorce. 
Funny thing, in CT, I was always a low B, high C, student struggling with dyslexia and ADD, and could never seem to get out of that average. When I moved down to FL, I suddenly started getting A's and was way ahead of my peers there. So much so, the first grading period I had straight A's and also got student of the month (something like that), met the mayor of the town, and was asked to take the SATs a year early (multiple teachers requested such). At first, I thought it was me and that I had some change of mental acuity. That was short-lived as we went back to CT a year later, I did get slightly better grades, but basically went back to getting mostly B's.
Funny though, not really in the ha-ha sense, but in more a "huh, that's funny"  kinda way. It's just sad that there is not a more standardized curriculum or moreso a better way of funding education equally from state to state, as the way we have it now is atrocious. If you're born in a poor area or a part of the country that doesn't value education as much, you're very screwed! 
I've moved around a bunch in my younger days, from Maine to Florida and in-between, and out amazes me how much what is considered basic knowledge, in the sense of what counts as such in schooling, varies from not just state to state, but county to county. Given most public education is often mostly funded by local taxes, is just a way to continue our ever growing inequality in this country. Another way to ignore those already forgotten throughout history. Another way to keep us all spinning our wheels and wondering what happened to that meritocracy we were always told about. 
One of my biggest eye openers in my youth came from my parents getting a divorce. As I went from the lower- upper class (maybe it was more upper- middle class), to middle class, then to lower class in a matter of a couple years it became apparent how big a role where you are born plays in America. We like to think of the country as homogeneous, but we are so far from such that we basically have a weird ass modern version of feudalism, but more corporate based... Corporate feudalism, I guess?
Tldr:
Just a half awake, 4 am rambling... basically boils down to location and class have so much to do with the education you get. We've been lied to about this place being merit based. Corporate sucks, and this corporate feudalism thing we have sucks. >

One of my friends from grade school did this as well. He was a straight A student already in MN, in the challenge classes and high math also, but nothing extraordinary in context of this peers at the same level. His family moved to Texas and he immediately skipped two whole grades. >

That honestly just sounds like a shitty life hack to graduate faster. >

So, my cousin had a foreign exchange student for about the last 8 years or so. Coming from European (German) high school she skipped a grade coming in. She graduated from American high school and wanted to go to university back in Europe. The problem is, American high school is laughed at by the rest of the educated world. They wouldn't accept her unless she took a year or two of something else, I honestly don't remember what. So she stayed here and went to college. She wants to do a graduate degree but doesn't want to pay US prices. Turns out, our universities are not laughed at by the rest of the educated world and she gets extra credits towards her graduate degree work in Europe. I think she was trying for an Austrian uni, it's been a minute. 
It was just funny to me that coming over she got a boost, and after getting her undergrad she got a boost. It's like a weird kind of education life hack if you want complete shit two years early without being Doogie Howser. >

You can get into German universities after US high school but you need to be loaded with AP classes, and certain subjects  are not negotiable. >

When I lived in the U.S. it was dependent on that states education efforts and the quality of the district. Some schools have exchange programs which are designed to prepare kids for going to university overseas. Other districts don't have such opportunities.
In Alabama you are probably only getting a quality education at 3-4 schools in the top school boards. Few of those schools will have exchange programs.
When I lived in New York the exchange program was open to anyone who met a certain grade threshold, district wide and not by the effort of administrators at the individual schools.
Canada had a better reputation than American schools from my experience, but I only went to one HS in Canada so it could be different. >

I went to a very tiny rural school, basically one high school for two towns because each town didn't have enough for one school. We had no extracurriculars, no electives just basic math English history gym science. Clubs and exchange programs or something I only knew about from movies >

Same with my hometown as well in rural Texas. Football, Band, or Shop: those are the three options. However, when my parents worked hard to get us a better education, we were about a month-ish ahead in most subjects. At least we were taught Spanish beyond conjugation. >

We didn't have football, we had soccer and track >

Define underperforming.
If the intention of the state government is that Florida's children know as little as possible and understand less, then Florida is doing an outstanding job.
Now, provide evidence that ISN'T Florida's goal. >

Is it ‘underperforming’ if it’s by design? >

No, its actually still overperforming until the next generation more heavily endorses book burnings. >

Book burnings are so out of vogue. It just raises interest in the book, sort of a streissand effect. If we buy up all of the media outlets, we can censor any idea simply by not talking about the idea. This is the way. >

It's a feature, not a bug. The less capable a person is to undertake critical thinking, the easier they are to control.   
The Republicans primary objective is to make the electorate as uneducated as possible, and use their propaganda networks to make them adopt the Republicans as their team. Then it doesn't matter how awful their policies and candidates are, so long as they are on Team R, they will still vote for them against their best interests. >

As someone living in florida, I can say that's a fact. All my friends who are undereducated are also Republicans who praise Donald trump and Ron DeSantis. >

If educated voters vote democrat, the secret is to not educate voters, duh. >

We love the poorly educated! 
-- TFG, 2016 >

Florida used to have a good education system. It’s quickly eroding under gqp abuses, and current voter apathy regarding quality education. >


Florida used to have a good education system.

Florida had a decent college and university system, since they copied California.
But they never had a good education system. >

You mean hiring police officers, paying teachers shit and telling teachers how to teach isn't making great minds? Color me shocked. >

I checked out a few of the teacher pay scales. The post [pay… typo] is garbage for the high cost of living at least in the coastal districts I checked. One was at $63,000 if you had a masters and 10 years experience. That’sa joke. >

Cries in Indiana >

Found this article very interesting.  Moved to Florida a number of years ago and my wife was a teacher.  She tried several schools, public, private, and a charter school; found that none would let her teach.  Just wanted her to follow their format.  She left the teaching profession just before COVID.
The articles statement; “Teachers come to hate the test-obsessed model and leave the profession. How has that affected test scores?” rang true to me. >

This.   All my neighbors here were teachers and got out with COVID.  We are in an affluent county with high rated schools.  The problem is the poor pay and the stupid shit like that.  My kids who went public in high school were mostly in specialty programs (IB, AP etc) so they tended to have better teachers >

They're a Republican state and they openly embrace their stupidity. >

don't worry now that Desantis is tackling wokeness and CRT in schools their schools will do better /s >

But I don't understand, they banned talking about gay people in classrooms shouldn't they be #1 across the board? >

Florida’s education system is vastly underperforming…
… as planned. >


~~Florida’s~~ Every red state's education system is vastly underperforming

I'm starting to sense a pattern here. >

Me too. How could the democrats do this?!
/s >

I blame Hillary and Obama. >

Dark Brandon is hurting MAGA fans everywhere. How can the GOP allow this to happen? >

And its going to get worse i cant imagine teachers are lining up to go teach in Florida. >

Florida ranks 48th in teacher pay
Florida has the 17th highest cost of living >

MIAMI, Sept 13 (Reuters) - So many Florida teachers have abandoned their profession in recent years that the state is inviting military veterans with no prior teaching experience to lead classrooms while they earn education credentials. >

They have some built-in disadvantages to start with - lots of retired people who don't want to pay school taxes while there is also lots of growth so more educational infrastructure.
Then add the Governor and Legislature ****ing with education for political reasons... >

That people do not want to pay taxes does not mean that they do not pay taxes. Nobody wants to pay taxes. Retired people also don't have kids and don't burden the schools. They pay school taxes, but get zero benefit. IMO, the real issue with school/property taxes in FL is that on a primary residence your assessment can only go up 3% per year. I've lived in my home for 20 years, assessment goes up 3% no matter if my house goes up 15% and down during crashes like 2008. I also have a 50K deduction, my taxes have not gone up significantly since I got here! IDK how you can run a school like that. When  retiree moves in, at least he gets a stepped up tax basis. >


They pay school taxes, but get zero benefit.

I'd think educated nursing staff at their retirement homes and ALFs is benefit enough. >


They pay school taxes, but get zero benefit. 

Seriously, I'm so fucking tired if this piece of idiotic logic. You pay taxes for shared, or centrally distributed services. School doesn't exist only because kids need something to do; your prosperity and the nation's GDP are directly correlated to the education of the community members around you.
I'm so fucking tired of people not understanding the basic abstraction of taxes. >

I have no kids, and likely never will at this point. I strongly support my tax dollars going to public K12 schools, including community college and university. I also strongly support pre-k and free lunch.
I also have excellent health insurance through my job. I strongly support universal healthcare as well.
I support these things because they foster the kind of society I want to live in. I want to live in a healthy, safe, educated society that treats people well. I want kids, the disabled, veterans, etc. to be cared about and cared for.
The "benefit" to me is that I want a society in general that isn't cruel, stupid, and dangerous. I'm really tired of greedy, selfish, short-sighted morons who focus only on what *directly, immediately benefits themselves personally* to the detriment of all - ironically including themselves in the end. >

When someone says they don't support free lunch for school children, I instantly know they're an asshole. Who the fuck is against feeding kids? >

But there’s no drag queens in Florida now! Merica!! >

Well, they're still here, and they're making fun of DeSantis and the rest of the republican party, not grooming kids, lol(at least the one I seen last week, lol) >

Yes - and, designed this way to boot: 
Mass Education and the Authoritarian Mind. 

Authoritarianism, wrote Erich Fromm, is not just about dominating and controlling others; it’s also about subordinating oneself to a “great” person, institution, or idea. In the eyes of John Elmore, traditional, compulsory mass schooling in the U.S. fosters the development of authoritarian personality characteristics in young people who, later in life, may enable, or actively support, the rise to power of autocrats.  Haworth and Elmore, eds., Out of the Ruins: The Emergence of Radical Informal Learning Spaces PM Press, 2017. >

By design folks! Making the future of the GOP! >

No shit. >

Florida gonna Florida.
-exFloridian >

When your state ranks lower than Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana on any metric, you know ~~you~~ your state is really bad. >

That's not a bug, it's a feature >

It wants to showcase myths instead of science. >

Keep them stupid so you can control them. Desantis is a fucking disaster. Can't wait until he and trump destroy each other >

It always has. 
In 1998 I lived in Georgia and was taking a Literature and composition class my 9th grade year. The following year my family moved to Florida and I tried applying for the same subject and they told me it was only available as a class your second year of an associates degree in college. >

I am not in Florida now but I grew up there. I took AP Lang and Lit (2 separate courses) in high school in 10th/11th in a red, semi-rural district around that same time. Granted the school had very few sections of them and big entry requirements (testing, previous grades, etc) and was heavily tracked (and those tracks were probably racist AF). The state/district even subsidized all my AP and CLEP exams in the late 90s. 
Florida sucks for Education and teaching and their K12 hasn’t ever ranked high that I can recall (some of the universities did or do, like UF). But the “only available in college” makes no sense to me—I did some work for Collegeboard for years actually and Florida is one of the states that invests heavily in AP (or did consistently up until at least a few years ago) and pays for the tests and has for awhile. That comes with it’s own issues, but they do have AP courses. >

We're talking about a state that hires alcoholic gym coaches to teach history, hungover, to freshmen. I still associate history class with the smell of unfiltered Camel cigarettes and Busch light. >

Eh, I’ve taught in another state (good union state that ranks well) and alcoholic gym teachers sometimes teach history in other places too. Florida sucks at Education but that isn’t a unique Florida thing and I imagine definitely wasn’t in the 90s when teachers could get away with way more. There are much more systemic problems, but your anecdotes don’t easy illustrate them. Granted it’s hard to get good people to teach at all but especially when you pay shit like the Southern states and don’t offer good unions. I left teaching in MY state for more money and remote work and those Florida pay scales look terrible—I was making way more than that and I make way more outside teaching. Just looking at pay rates, I’m not sure how Florida could keep any decent teachers these days at all, though probably less smoky smelling than the 90s. >

I have no doubt the bar could be raised by paying teachers a respectable wage. But Florida long ago waged the war on public education, so here we are. >

It’s all relative. You ask any GOP politician in FL if they think their education system is “vastly underperforming” and they’ll laugh in your face. That thing is working exactly as it was intended to when built by its engineers. >

Wow so letting veterans and their spouses teach without certification was a bad idea?  Who’d have thought. >

You can easily change this headline like so:

(Any Red State)'s education system is vastly underperforming

and it would still be accurate. >

Ah so as intended then. >

The #SameCrapDeSatis is doing in Florida, he wants to take nationwide. Merica wants him to be president so bad. Merica is woke. 🙄 >

Large masses of uneducated superstitious people with easy access to guns, the Republican agenda has been successful. Their work is done ! sit back and watch the carnage. >

12 years ago I was super close to getting a job in Florida when my kids were still pre-school age. I lost out on the job by the slimmest of margins. We ended up in Maryland instead. I often say I dodged a bullet, but in reality I dodged a hail of machine gun fire. >

Thirty years of republicans defunding schools in Florida to give tax breaks to the wealthy will do that. >

To the surprise of no one >

Grass grows
Birds fly
Sun shines
Florida has a godawful education system. >

Take money away from the government for decades, then act surprised when government fails, lol >

Translation for Florida students: Y'all stupid as s*** and it's your parents (Mom & Dad)  fault. >

By design >

Florida gets retired republicans from the rest of the country. Educating Florida’s children is the absolute last thing they care about. Their children already finished school in another state. >

Hey, maybe my home state of Alabama will edge up to the 48th spot! 
I went to visit family in Huntsville over Christmas. Huntsville isn’t a bad place, largely because of the sorts of industry that has sprouted up as a consequence of NASA’s presence. Every time I think “maybe I could be happy moving back to Huntsville” the state does something like threaten to prosecute people who take plan B. So I am reminded that no matter how good Huntsville is, it is just a gilded kernel in a fecal chunk of a state. >

From what I hear anecdotally in the district just south of me, like half or more of 2nd graders still can’t read on a kindergarten level. I don’t know how you even correct it at this point. How are they supposed to take tests in other subjects if they CAN’T READ??? And why were they allowed to continue to the next grade?? >

From an outsider perspective, the entire US looks dumb as fuck >

That's only because the entire US IS dumb as fuck. Insider perspective. >

Conservatives are against public education. They want everything to be privatized, on principle, because they believe that the government shouldn't do anything. That's why they're undermining public education. 
Their goal is for the money that's spent on education to go to private companies >

Whatever could be the cause?
(/S) >

Sucking money out of the system for chartered Christian schools? >

Florida’s Education Fundamentals:
-Meth lab upkeep and production 
-Golf cart driving 
-Gator wrasslin’
-Publix organizational basics
-Guns
-The Do’s and Don’ts of Public Nudity 
Advanced Florida Education 
-The Villages
-Vape Shop Ownership 
-How to Advertise Kratom as much as possible in three square miles
-Megachurches
-The Suncoast Toll System >

Don’t forget alligator maintenance, god forbid one of those fuckers break down in front of tourists and everyone realizes their existence is a joke that’s gotten out of hand. >

I finally saw an endangered paddlefish in SW Florida. Still haven’t seen a manatee in the wild. I think they are a joke played on tourists. >

As intended. >

Obviously, it's because they've been saying "gay" in classrooms. Now that this has been addressed, those scores should skyrocket.  /s >

This was actually pretty interesting to me as someone that has tried to find good school districts to move to in Florida. It is very easy to find a good elementary school, but then middle and high are much lower rated. There's only a few areas on the east coast of the state where I've managed to find highly rated elementary through high school zones. I always had assumed this was like due to when I lived in a smaller county we had many elementary schools, some in affluent areas, then a single middle and high school for the entire county that the demographics lowered due to just the entire population of the county being in that single school. It appears there is perhaps far more going on in Florida than I assumed even. >

Shocker >

We can tell… >

It’s a GOP feature, not a bug >

I believe that's called "working as intended". >

But they banned drag queens, lol. >

I remember reading an article like ten or fifteen years ago where too many kids failed the standardized test.  So instead of doing anything to improve their teaching practices.   They just lowered the passing score. >

Yeah, we see how they vote. "I love the uneducated!"- a former president who is uneducated. >

Totally not shocked by Florida sucking in education, as it does in all things, but how about Arizona! Go figure. >

InB4 Desantis makes it illegal to discuss the vastly underperforming school system. >

This article seems confused to me. Is the author saying that it’s bad that 8th graders are testing badly, or that standardized testing itself is bad? I mean, they both might very well be true but it seems like they should be two different articles. >

Isn't the point to bring in vouchers and charters so that the "good" students get sorted into those? The whole point of conservative philosophy is to amplify social stratification. >


Florida’s political and education leaders completely ignored that finding.
Tellingly, DeSantis ignored the eighth grade results, which came out far worse than fourth grade — just as they have in every NAEP cycle since 2003. >

It's ok, in a few years, most of that state will be gone. At least the parts that actually make money for Florida. They've already been pretending Miami Beach isn't already below sea level by continually raising the land and spending millions on pumps to deal with the constant flooding. >

No, it’s performing as intended. Uneducated voters vote Republican at much higher rates than educated voters >

That's not a flaw, it's a feature >

Didn't know Florida had an education system >

It's so weird.  Florida has had a Republican governor every year since 1999 and our education system is trash.  I wonder if there is a correlation there...🤔 >

Worse schools = lower property values. All of those upper middle class voters who are worrying about made up things like CRT being taught to 2nd graders and guys saying they're Trans to prey on girls in the bathroom are going to get to confront real problems. Like decreased services from fire departments, hospitals, and public works due to lower property tax bases. 
All the while climate change will be knocking on the front door more and harder as developers on the beach demand sea walls and beach restoration. 
Good luck keeping people in that state... >

One reason for this is that Gov DeSantis signed Anti WOKE Act since April 22nd 2022 which banned CRT from Schools which caused the school system to underperform. >

Stay stupid Florida. >

Gotta own the libruls somehow amirite? >

Proper brainwashing requires the least possible education and evening filled with Fox news. >

I'm willing to bet that only people who live outside of Florida care about how Florida's education system is performing. >

Step 1: underfund education
Step 2: wait for people to get dumber
Step 3: say facts/success/jobs don’t matter
Step 4: watch other countries and China take our lunch money >

I mean, this isn’t breaking news. 
People in Florida are stupid. They always have been. And they have very little interest in making people not stupid. They have pride in anti-intellectual thought. >

That’s why the former president president lives there. He’ll fit right in with the other dumb people. >

Feature not a bug >

By the end of this decade people from Mississippi will be saying, “thank god for Florida!” >

Antifa did this.... somehow..... >

Keep them dumb = keep their votes! >

Well the Govtator of Florida thinks anyone can teach so >

Teacher in Florida here, can confirm >

Florida’s Education, that’s an oxymoron. >

Went to school in Florida for 2 years.  I will never go back to that state unless it's to watch a launch.  I have been many places in my life, both here in the USA and abroad and the level of dumb I encountered in Florida is the clear winner, followed closely by Utah. >

Yippee. :( >

You know things are fucked when Butt-Head cosplayer Matt “I could go lower” Gaetz is one of the state’s better educated. >

Why is MA middle of the road on this chart yet is always near the top in average text scores? >

Santos achieving his goals. Poorly educated people are easier to direct >

underperforming by design, all the better to have uneducated or poorly educated cheap labor >

So everything is going according to plan. >

I wonder what the common variable is 🤔 >

You mean the state that wants to ban and burn books isn’t smart? You don’t say /s >

And water is wet. Everyone knows they’re dumb as all hell. Just look at Desantis. >

They may not be able to read and write, but at least they don’t learn anything too “woke”, right GOP asshats? >

I am shocked I tell you, shocked. >

Republican white supremashit Terrorist need to further dummy down an already incredibly stupid state #Florida. Swamp of zombies playing smart. The forgotten people who preach ProLife are dying slowly and don’t know it!
Build a wall around the state -Disney benefited from the dummying down make them pay for it. >

I worked in educational publishing and had to develop workbooks aligned to the science FCAT. Was not allowed to use the word evolution anywhere. >

Feature<>bug >

It's time to revoke Florida School accreditations and allow out of states schools, colleges, and employers to treat transcripts and diplomas as fraudulent. >

By design - the GOP wants poorly educated people as its easier to brainwash them with their propaganda - truth, evidence, and science stands so starkly against so many GOP positions that a lot more people would see through them if they actually had a quality education. 
So naturally the GOP will deliberately sabotage educational systems. >

They’ve been underperforming for years. In the 1990s there was a 60 minutes or other news show that spent a full episode trying to talk to officials to figure out why. Also Jeb Bush and his “No child left behind” brother George. >

And this is why this Floridian moved to a state that values students. >

By design. >

I assume the Florida GOP will wear this as a badge of honor and use it to show their constituents that the deep state is just mad about them teaching truth. >

I mean, I'm sure it's performing as expected... relative to the amount of investment put in, that is >

Bring your family to Florida, we will ruin their brains. >

Counter point, this is all exactly as they want it to go >

DeSantis is killing public schools while simultaneously supporting the spread of private schools. 
So poor people get bad education and rush kids get premium Christian education. >

Gasp No way.
Actually, it and many southern states’ educational systems have been vastly underperforming. It’s a systemic problem in public education, and it’s the worst in southern states who have defunded education and treated teachers like shit to the point they have to hire randos as long term subs, who the kids learn minimal if anything from. >

Education in Florida has been like this forever.
Honestly it's less about having a Republican state government and more about having state and local government being dominated by fucking snowbirds who don't give the slightest shit about what happens to Florida as long as taxes stay low. >

Ngl, I have 2 family members about to go to college and both of them are going to school in Florida. Aside from just assuming the worst and that they are just going to party I really can't figure it out. Kinda feel bad for their Dad. >

Sounds like it’s time to change the standards again. >

GOP- Keep ‘‘em dumb and poor. >

“Keep them stupid”- Ron DeSantis >

The TLDR:

Enormous numbers of “low-scoring” kids duck third and fourth grade tests and then come back into the public system to be counted in the eighth grade NAEP and other yearly tests.

Florida holds backs third graders and/or their parents take them to charter schools who don't give them the national 4th grade test. Then they come back after 4th grade and take the 8th grade tests and bomb them.
It's basically how Florida games the system as "top schooling" for 4th graders. All the poor testers are stuck in 3rd grade or in charter schools. >

Gee, it’s like they’re trying to make public education, which they think is LeFtIsT pRoPaGaNdA, fail so they can get rid of it. >

Right - this is what the GOP want so now they can push to defund them further and go the charter school/private school voucher system. Cutting off everything that a public school has to offer basically cutting education to the lower privileged and even most middle class. >

A red state led by De Santis, who could have imagined? >

Just like how DeSantis wants it. >

Florida's education system has been underperforming for decades. >

Me fail english??  Thats unpossible >

Because FL is a rich white hegemony state. The wealthy whites want to gut public education by circumventing taxes to their charter and private schools that teach ignorance and degenerate Christianity. 
They want the immigrants and the poors who live here and use the public education to be stupid so they can continue to use them as cheap labor and continue to live in their country club like it was during slavery days. 
I have been watching this happen since at least 2005. >

I remember the students that moved from the south to the north were put back 1 or more grades when they went to my school. These students never talked about it but I wondered why they were taller and bigger than the other students. They were generally a year or two older than everyone else. >

Yep keep them ignorant it ensures voters! >

You don’t say >

No fucking shit. >

Public School Teacher from TX. 
There are a lot of insider nuisances contributing to underperformance. 
Teaching to standardized tests - instead of teaching your kids how to read fluently or write coherently, analyze expertly, etc., we are forced to teach concepts that may appear on a multiple choice usually 50 or more question test every year. How well would you as an adult do if that were the case?
Classroom environments brake down quickly and solutions are discouraged and  forbidden.- Classroom environment matters to student learning outcomes. If your kids go to a school where the teacher must yell repeatedly to several students to stop talking, begin their work, stop doing inappropriate things (drugs, fighting, using cell phones, etc.), then how much of that would distract you as an adult at work? A child cannot handle this and shuts down and learns nothing. And even if they try, the teacher spends 50% or more of the time yelling, getting stressed out, and time runs out - everyday. Unless you've been in a classroom, most of you have no idea how quickly kids cross lines of unacceptable behavior, and they are not rational beings (their brains are not developed yet) so they keep doing it everyday and keep making things worse even as they are given consequences for it. They just don't care at those ages about anything serious like learning or respecting others and want to have their fun, even if that fun is fighting, yelling, screaming, running, bullying, social media, etc. and there are usually 20 of them locked in a room with an overworked and overstressed teacher, and usually underpaid. Behavior is absolutely correlated with underperformance on tests and other assessments. It's not the quiet respectful kid that is failing usually. It is usually the one that gets in trouble every day. I'm sorry but we have to start removing those kids to create a better environment for the ones that want to learn and will actually try to perform well. It's better to give up on a few kids and save the majority, and we need positions at the bottom of society to be filled anyway so let those that behaved poorly in school go to those jobs and let's focus more on the good students to make the kind of citizens that will contribute meaningfully to our society in the future, because what we're doing now isn't working. 
We already have a successful model of education but do not follow it for political reasons - Speaking of what isn't working. K-12 in the U.S. is not working but higher education is. We have some of the worst test scores in k-12 core subjects year after year, for decades now. But our universities are some of the best in the world and produce some of the best professionals and experts in the world. So, why don't we do what universities do at K-12 level. Shorten the school day for kids. Who wants to go to back to back classes for 8 hours straight? No wonder they misbehave and perform poorly on tests. Shorten the school day in half, as they do in some other countries with better scores than us, and we might see improvement in mental health and learning outcomes. The problem is that in the U.S. school is a catch-all for social issues that we are ignoring. These kids have nowhere to go, as many of their parents work all day, so public schools have become tax-payer funded daycares more than institutions of learning and that is wrong. We saw this during the pandemic, because the first to complain where the parents. As a teacher I know that some of these people do not care about their kids learning, they just wanted somewhere to send them for a few hours. And these parents protested to have the schools reopened. But our responsibility as educators should not be to babysit your kids, it should be to educate them. 
In addition, there are other ways that public policy affects learning outcomes, for example enrollment. Public schools receive funding based largely on enrollment data. That's why attendance is such a big issue. So, if a school loses students, their enrollment drops, and with it their funding and ability to run an operation. But this incentivizes poor behavior in the students because the schools are afraid of punishing them for fear of losing a student. Over time, suspensions, expulsions especially, have trended downward as funding for public education has declined. So, students today get away with more poor behavior than when I was a child. Students today are viewed by administrators as clients and they want to keep them happy so that they stay. This often leads to conflict within schools between teachers who are disrupted and disrespected daily by students who are seldom punished in any ,meaningful way that might redirect their behavior towards more positive and socially acceptable norms. 
Another way in which public policy has affected schools is by eliminating textbooks. When I was a child I carried about 10-20 pounds of books in my backpack everyday. Today, there are no backpacks, because there are no books. Schools have moved away from using textbooks in any form (physical or digital) for fear of public backlash. Censoring of politicized topics has resulted in an education system where students no longer have textbooks for reference. How are they supposed to learn like that? The only time they receive content is from the lecture inside the classroom and nowhere else. And that's if the classroom environment is quiet and well-managed, which many are not because it is impossible. So, of course, this too has resulted in a drop in underperformance. 
There are too many other reasons to list for underperformance. Poor parenting, pandemic related deficits, social safety issues (kids not having a way to get to school, moving a lot, low income households, etc. Until we address those issues separately, there will be no improvement in America's public schools because it all manifests there. The schools are underperforming because the society is underperforming. We need better citizens and better policies to see any meaningful change in outcomes. >

So glad I moved out of Fla, was different long ago, moved there in 1976 when I was 6. It has definitely turned into a shithole. They claim low taxes, no they just do not take it out of your check, property taxes and insurance are sky high, same with car insurance. Lived in TN 13 yrs, never had an accident, 2 hit and runs in Fla in 2 months. Almost 40% of the state drives with no car insurance. And god the old people, all standing around with their hands out, steal you blind, blame everything on Biden. 
I got stuck there during hurricane Ian, my mom lives in an old people park. NOBODY prepared, my mother didn't do anything. So soon as the rain stopped they were out looking for food and lottery tickets. Well everything is closed with the power off, ranting its Bidens fault DeSantis can't keep the electric on. All terrified of gay people and blacks and everyone not just like them. 
If Florida sunk into the sea like Atlantis, nobody would notice. >

Not all southerners are dumb, but it's a stereotype for a reason >

That should make DeSantis and other Republicans happy. The more ignorant Floridians are, the more Republicans can undermine democracy. >

If politicians kept their nose out of creating curriculum and dummying down the content, not to mention censorship of literature.. if DeSantis is the Republican candidate this is the future of the US future >

It's OK, they are spending their money on important things like defending lawsuits from Disney and shipping Texas refugees to Massachusetts. >

This was always the plan.  Wealthy Floridians send their children to private schools. >

That's one way to breed Republicans! >

That’s by design. The dumb vote republican. >

So, working as designed. I, for one, thank them for a lifetime supply of "Florida Man"! >

Gotta keep them ignorant and hateful. >

Florida has become the state that looks at Mississippi and says, "Hold my beer." >

I can't imagine why. >

Shocked Pikachu face >

Reflecting the lack of quality teachers. DeSantis seems dead set on destroying the public school system. Chasing away good teachers, hiring unqualified ones. The remaining great teachers are discouraged and disheartened. >

I think its performing exactly the way 1 politicial party intended >

The GOP doesn't want a stupid population. Rather, they want a population that conforms to their ideology. Additionally, they prefer critical thinking around producing, but not about life, politics, and the world around them.
To the conservative education is the means in which to get a job and produce for society. 
An educated critical thinking mass tends to be critical of those who are in charge, and that's not in the best interest of the elite. 
The GOP has been intentionally underfunded education for a while in hopes that states can move to a private model. They want to end public education. >

Couple facts they are not pointing out.  
In 2014 - Rick Scott made a huge push for Florida to be at the top of the ranking for this test.  Meaning my older kids when in public school had the entire curriculum designed around that fucking test.  It use to be part of the kids grades.  IT WAS A FUCKING DISASTER for learning.  Hated it as did most parents.  It is why our #s were so high.   
What you are seeing here is the effect of COVID (learning at home) and Florida stopping teaching to the test.   My guess would be if you actually dove into those numbers you are going to see some counties with reasonable numbers and some just a shit show.   
Does Florida schools systems have problems ? Of course we do - we are the 3rd largest state in the union and the school systems are wildly different depending on your economic area.  We underpay our teachers and our universities are not producing any new teachers.  I have been to 4 or 5 Florida Universities in the last month doing tours and they are all begging for education majors. >

Performing by what metric? The educational institutions don't exist to give kids a leg up in the job market or, God forbid, teach critical thinking. They exist to indoctrinate children that gay people are morally abominable, racism ended in 1964, that boys are meant for dying in aimless wars, and that girls are happiest being contained at home. 
Edit: I can't believe some of you can't read sarcasm fr >

Is it sarcasm if it's true though? >

that happens when you offer degrees in drooling.... >

Do you really think all the retirees from NY/NJ give a &$#@ about the education system of kids that aren't their grandkids?
That is the problem. The irony us that a large percentage of them are getting a state or local pension from NY/NJ/IL. >

He's a jag off, alright. >

We know >

Go figure. >

Isn’t that what they want >

Maybe they should try cutting taxes... that worked in Kansas , right? >

"It's all part of the plan."  -Special Agent Oso >

I'm guessing this surprise's no one. >

Smug Californian here, hey everyone! 🙋🏻‍♂️