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Id like to make a joke about "self reporting criminals being the ultimate in police convince" but sadly under reporting or just not reporting at all applies to a lot of categories of stuff local police do that the federal government would like to keep better information on.
They don't even report how many people they kill to the fed gov. There is no way in hell they report all.hate crimes >

How many of them even believe hate crimes should be a thing? >

If it weren’t for qualified immunity US cops would do nothing but face hate crime charges. 
Their entire existence at this point is a hate crime against the lower and middle class. >

The lower and middle class don't -really- exist. Those are terms coined by the ruling class to artificially divide up the working class. >

While true in spirit, this is entirely false in practice. The life of a poverty-stricken family is vastly different and more difficult than a middle class one. >

Which is done purposely to divide us up, with the goal of making the luckier part of the working class look at the unlucky part of the working class and go "whew, at least I'm not them" instead of "here, let's all work together" >

You're misunderstanding me. I don't really care about how the middle class feels about happy they are about not being lower class. I am saying in order to actually rise up against our oppressors, the middle class must provide for the lower class when push comes to shove.
When/if a general strike that cripples the economy comes along, the only thing that will unite the lower and middle classes is if the lowest classes are provided for. Someone needs to feed them and their kids if the government shuts off the tap. We will need to be more united than ever before. If the middle class turns around and says "not my problem", you have an even bigger class divide than before, and you will never shake off oppression. The lowest classes will not die to make the middle class slightly better off.
Working together is a two way street. The lowest classes are ready to rise up and take back what's theirs, but the middle class is the key to enabling that for millions. >

Fair. I understand what you're saying and agree. With the caveat that when it comes to solidarity they are and need to be treated as one. We are all the working class. >

No caveat needed, that's absolutely the goal. >

I was under the impression that cops do everything they can not to have paperwork, like not reporting crimes. >

First thing they do is check the victim for warrants so they can just arrest them instead.
It's kind of insane. >

Hey, that's not fair, it's not the first thing they do.
First thing they do is shoot your dog. >

no no, first they punch their spouse. then they shoot your dog. then they try to find a way to arrest you. >

Give them a break, it's a lot of work to both commit the crimes and also report them in detail. >

When you have PTSD from shooting an unarmed suspect who was trying to obey your orders, and you forgot to report it accurately. >

"I would have never said that had I known there was a video." 
-- Actual police officer explaining why he lied about a violent interaction with a civilian. >

Why should you go to jail for a crime someone else noticed?
-Bob Loblaw >

Did you get that off his Law Blog? >

Sure did. BobLoblawsLawBlog .com >

I read the article but am a bit confused - are the police the people who determine if it's a hate crime? Wouldn't that have to be something proved in court? The article itself mentioned that it's difficult to determine the difference between a hate crime and a crime of opportunity, which makes it sound like the cops aren't the ones that determine what is and isn't a hate crime, it's the DA and the courts. >

I don't understand why so many administrations act like it's impossible to determine something is a hate crime.
When a person of one race/religion/sex targets and shoots 5+ people of a different race/religion/sex and has a history of publishing disparaging comments about said people- I think it's safe to label it a hate crime for fucks sake.
Edit: I'm not sure why so many feel the need to give examples of non-obvious hate crimes. The whole point of my comment is we have the exact scenario I described above being labeled as NOT hate crimes. 
If these super obvious examples can't even get correctly labeled, that's the PROBLEM. >

Ok, but let's take a different scenario.
Some guy on the street starts yelling and stabbing a black guy who the stabber says bumped into him.
Is this a hate crime?
Was the stabbing because the victim was black?  Was it because the stabber was unhinged and thought the guy bumped into him?  Was the stabber looking for an excuse to kill a black guy?  Was the victim targeted because he got a job the stabber felt he "deserved?" >

That's obviously not a hate crime. this also is a bad example, 
by definition it isn't a hate crime. If the dude said I hate n* and then started stabbing him for no other potential motivation that would be a hate crime. >

Ah, so it's not a hate crime unless the culprit basically yells "I am targeting X specifically" while doing the crime?  I mean, that makes it easy to prove, but it's perfectly possible for someone to have that motivation and not go yelling it. >

Exactly, but in a court of law the onus is on the prosecution to prove that it was racially motivated beyond a reasonable doubt. Without explicit evidence like that, hate crimes are exceedingly hard to prosecute. 
This is where police have power to sway whether something gets listed as a hate crime. If a witness to a crime includes that the attacker said racial slurs, the police can leave that out of the report because they don’t believe the witness or because they actually want to protect the perpetrator. >

And until there is a massive change in policy and personnel, we never will see a complete picture. The police are one of the most corrupt organizations in the country, incompetent training and being told that shooting first is perfectly acceptable while practically indoctrinating its members into the most blatant stereotyping hate groups known. Their training is beyond subpar as it takes less than a year of training to get you in, even the fucking military has longer training requirements and don’t get me started about other countries, they at least have a minimum requirement of 1-3 full years of training and require their officers to do refresher training at least 1-2 times a year. America needs to do better, but as long as the old worthless fucks in charge of our government are only beholden to their corporate backers we will never see change >

That kind of looks like self serving gross negligence by police unions.... >

Why would the police report crimes they perpetrate? >

Well I mean, I would venture a guess that they are not being reported by the people who are committing them. >

Some of those who work forces >

I'm down for robots to take away police jobs. Robocop needs to happen soon. >

Police behave like a gang. That includes not ratting out their white supremacist friends. >

My high school used to have an ex NYPD detective come to give talks and he unironically called them a street gang as if it was a good thing. In retrospect it was pretty tasteless. >

Aside from really small towns with only a handful of cops of the force, they basically are the largest and most dangerous street gang in any given area. >

In other news, the sun rises in the morning. >

Don't narc on your buddies! >

This is what happens when law enforcement doesnt have independent oversight.
And any time it's suggested, they lose their minds. There's a reason for that
Police aren't here to serve us. They've been corrupt since the start. >

Wow it's almost like they want to cover up the crimes. >

What?!? Armed, racist gang doesn’t report hate crimes accurately?!? >

they don't report on themselves and others in blue or blue adjacent.  Here is how I see it is bad as it ever was maybe even worst. >

Well, yeah. Criminals tend not to document and report their crimes. >

That’s because they’re committing them >

In the last couple of years, we have seen that the police do actively choose what they enforce, despite all the bullshit about how they don’t make the laws.
I’m talking about mask mandates, more recently, some of these assault rifle bands in some states, and of course the way black people are more likely to be targeted for marijuana possession. >

No shit Sherlock! It's been a long time I knew the cops were unaccounted for. They have too much power to care. >

It should be the district attorneys who report it, shouldn't it? >

To be fair, they have rights against self incrimination. >

Of course not. They're blatantly complicit. >

I mean, are they going to report the crimes that they are the ones committing? >

Well yea. At least 1/10 hate crimes has to be commit by the police and no argument could convince me otherwise. >

they expect police to tell on themselves? >

They’re also killing 25-30 dogs a day, but any of the police subreddit will tell you it’s not actually a problem. >

Why would the police narc on themselves? >

"Also, we aren't really listening."
-The DOJ- >

why would they want to tattle on their friends? >

Snitches get stitches. >

Because they commit the most of them >

This is hardly surprising, given that a lot of police departments have been infiltrated by violent white supremacist gangs, among the major perpetrators of hate crimes. >

Didn’t we defund them?!?! >

Internal crimes, hate crimes, cover-ups, >

Are we talking about the hate crimes the police are committing, or just hate crimes in general. You're going to have to be more specific when discussing the Pinkerton Patrol. >

Cause the cops like to make it appear that their sisters and cousins are decent folk. Reporting that shit is revealing and bubble bursting >

What's their incentive to report? >

Self reporting is not something the police are fond of doing. >

Why would they? It’s not in their benefit. They also have no legal obligation to protect citizens. Yet, citizens are obligated and compelled to pay taxes that pay for their salary and equipment. The logic is as sound as someone disputing the chat logs with Chris Hansen. >

This doesn't make any sense. Cops aren't even the ones that even charge crimes, that's the DAs office and all charges and convictions are public record. >

Crime statistics are about more than prosecutions and convictions, and the police departments are the ones with the most data to offer here.
There are tens of thousands of police departments across the US, and many are still on paper. It's just not practical to try and collect all of this data by hand. In addition, different states or localities are going to apply different definition for things like hate crimes. So the data is also just poor quality even before you get to non-cooperation.
Where communities don't want to cooperate with the DOJ or FBI, that doesn't just extend to the police departments. Local judges also will often refuse to cooperate.
A very similar problem exists for federal gun background checks. Often investigators have to contact police or judicial systems in communities where the person trying to buy a gun lives or lived in order to work out whether they have any disqualifying criminal convictions, or chase down an explanation for a conviction they know about (not all convictions are disqualifying). Many police departments and judges will just refuse to cooperate with these (or "try back Thursday"). Since the law requires greenlighting gun purchases within 72 hours unless derogatory information is found, a refusal to cooperate means somebody gets a gun that probably shouldn't have one.
ETA: I see someone trying to respond about hospital statistics but I can't see the response for some reason. It's also important to separate statistics from an accounting of hate crimes. You can get useful data even if not everyone is cooperating with you provided you can work out what your missing data probably looks like given the data you do have. This lets you report on trends. So if your goal is statistics, it's not a big deal that some law enforcement and hospitals can't easily get data to you. But if your goal is accounting, then you need to. Hospitals have specialized ways of reporting suspected infectious disease outbreaks and that sort of thing. We just don't have anything similar for law enforcement. >

That’s cause police also commit hate crimes. >

The people commiting hate crimes aren’t reporting them? >

It’s because the police are committing most of them. >

Mostly those that burn crosses are leading those who run forces? Hold all the Bastards accountable. >

In the case of hate crimes in small communities the police simply don't want to report on their friends and family (or themselves). >

I called my city police on a hate crime incident. He told me he would not document this or write it ina report. Fugg Richardson Police Texas >

Personal experience with police not reporting a hate crime (arson of a minority owned business) despite the presence of hate speech graffiti .. police said “no proof” .. >

Prolly cause snitches get stitches. Good cops get the short end of the stick all the time.
It’s not a bad apple, it’s a rotten tree on poisoned soil. >

Maybe because cops dont report crimes cops do. >

There have been documentaries made regarding the pervasive plot by what is now known as alt-right groups to clean up their acts and begin to infiltrate law enforcement organizations starting in the 90s. That's why we're now seeing so many at all levels of enforcement.  
Not that law enforcement wasn't already a cesspool before that. Many point to "efficiency" made to policing as a point of divergence from serving the public to serving capital. Once you removed beat cops from the actual communities they served, it's harder for the police to empathize with those they are policing. >

So they’re literally too fucking lazy to learn and use new software for reporting. >

Why do their jobs, when they could not do their jobs instead, and get paid overtime anyway?
Those doughnuts aren't going to eat themselves, you know? >

I am sure there is a thousand reasons why but why doesn't the government get data from the NCIC system?  It lists all offenders and what they were arrested with. >

I don’t get how they don’t realize that everybody is armed these days, and there is a breaking point. Whatever arms exist, also exist in black communities all over the country. I go to a range in chicago suburbs where all black people turn up, some with their families. A lot of working class families have n ver NOT been armed because the shitstym seldom guarantees our security. We know the recklessness of the criminal elements. But don’t understand the restraint of armed working class people when they experience hates crimes from the general population and the police. We need to avoid a great tragedy. We need to treat all communities with respect. When we don’t really bad things can and will happen. The shooting of Philando Castile, A licensed gun owner by the police send a shock through a lot of black CC license holders. It’s not about the race of the policemen, it’s about the abuse the police in general are engaged in. They will one day abuse the wrong household or licensed black 2A person and get really back results. >

I’m am confusion, the police wouldn’t be the ones to determine if a crime was a hate crime. The police submit their report/findings for the DA’s office to make that final determination. >

Policing is a failed institution. I’ll teach my children to never speak to them. >

Lmao. As if the cops were gonna self report. >

Reporting your coworkers is hard and risks an increase of on the job injury/death >

Why would police report their own crimes to the government? >

Thats because they're committing them >

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes >

Federal law enforcement agencies >

Quis custodiet egestas agencies foederati >

Congressional oversight committees >

Qui Concilii inspectionem observat >

The voters >

Quis suffragii tuetur >

*pulls out wheelocks latin >

“Some of those who work forces, are the same who burn crosses.” >

Only thing RATM got wrong was "some of those that work forces..." >

Maybe it's because ahem "Those that work forces are the same that burn crosses" >

So the police aren't reporting on themselves or thier friends and family? Color me shocked. >

The police officers probably don't want to report themselves to the feds. >

You can't expect them to tell on themselves >

Or they're just not as prevalent as some people would like them to be.  It would loose their false narrative that everyone is racist. >

It's "lose."
The only thing "loose" here is your mask, which is slipping. >

“Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses.” >

Some of those that work forces… >

are the same that burn crosses! >

When you’re the one doing hate crimes you’re disincentivized to report yourself. >

No surprise here. My buddy lost his badge for being too honest. >

Likely reasons;

They know the individuals committing the hate crimes.
They are the individuals committing the hate crimes.
They agree with the crimes/could care less about the victims. >


Qualified immunity protects them from the justice department for not complying. >

They’re too busy committing hate crimes in their off time and running across their buddies doing the same to report em. >

Sometimes I feel like the rest of America is slowly coming to terms with the fact that the corruption of the LA police departments that led to the rioting in the early 1990s wasn't exclusive to Los Angeles and that the vast majority of Police Departments all across the country are equally corrupt. >

Some of those that work forces... >

Abolish police unions. >

The police lobby in MN was against a law that would have prevented cops from being in extremist groups like the KKK or Proud Boys.  The biggest self report I’ve ever seen. >

This is why statistics are only a small part of the conversation about racism. >

I'm just here to upvote all the comments about some of those who run forces. >

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses. -RATM >

Color me shocked that white supremacists don't report all hate crimes. >

Yes, and in turn, skews statistics for some cough demographics by "overreporting" on them and selling it to the media and while underreporting others. >

I don't need a report to tell me this. Hell half of hate crimes are from the police. Why don't they investigate those LAPD gangs? >

Who knew that cops were racists? Oh yeah everyone. Except the cops of course. >

And the Faux News crowd. >

Some of those that work forces... >

Yeah if they reported the hate crimes they might look bad. Well worse. >

I mean,it’s not like white supremacists have infiltrated our law enforcement organizations /s >

Well no shit.  They’re not going to turn themselves in >

Of course they’re not gonna self-report. Lmao >

When a police department agrees with, and in many instances commits the hate crimes of course there will be NO reporting. >

They never self-report, duh. >

"Open and shut case, Johnson..." >

You might even say that some of those that work forces are the same ones that burn crosses. >

One bad apple spoils the barrel. That's actually the correct saying. >

It's almost like they're the ones commiting the hate crimes. >

And of course the replies are full on stupid.
The feds introduced a new and imo unnessacary software change in 2021 and out of 19000 LE agencies, 7000 of them are slow to make changes to the new software.
There isn't even really a story here other than some bureaucratic slowness at changing some software at best. >

Does the article detail this change? Agencies across the country use different software (in my local agency's case, from the 90s) for documentation. How can the FBI make a change across all of those? Cops don't have anyone in-house who can work on the software. >

Well they ain’t love crimes are they? >

Well duh. Then they’ll get in trouble. >

Hate bias crimes skyrocketed after Trump was normalized back in 2015.
It's not debatable. It's not even a hot take. >

No it’s quite actually very debatable but I’m not going to spend my time searching for evidence to back up my claims. There has been a very strong push in the media to spotlight hate crimes, “white, racist, fascist bigots”. They say white supremacy is the number one national threat.. 
Well I can’t say I know any white supremacists. Nor do I know anyone who would tolerate a white supremacist. I’m in Northern Mississippi about an hour from Memphis. I’ve lived in the public eye regarding politics since I was 8 years old. My grandad was the first person to hire black people in the 60’s working on cars under shade trees. He had a black family he would go stay with sometimes growing up. 
We all get along great here. Every party I’ve been to, from HS to ones my parents have had (they’re in politics) have been 50/50 black white and any other race who wanted to come.. 
But let me tell you one thing I’ve noticed.. Ever since the media has been talking about hateful white people, I’ve noticed a sharp spike in black pride.. I’ve come across folks with “Black Power” shirts and so forth. What if I wore a shirt that said “White Power”? But the ones who identify with this new black pride movement treat white people differently. I may hold the door open for them only for them to ignore me, speak to them and given an odd look and ignored. It’s mostly the younger generation black pop. 
I used to get offended by it, but I realized that they’re just following the leader, emulating the attitudes of their influence. 
Not that I would want to wear I white pride shirt, given I believe race is just a factor of life and we shouldn’t draw pride from it, rather just be happy and thankful for the life we have.. 
Reason I’m typing this book, is because I want to help you “wake up”. I feel like the US current political system/structure, politicians, all of it needs a massive overhaul. But arguably Trump did make living conditions much easier for all Americans during his presidency given prices, interest rates and so on.. He even passed a Bill giving billions to black communities. But I’m not a Right wing Republican loving one of the masses. 
That’s my point here. Stop paying attention to the garbage mass media feeds you.. It’s worthless. It tells you How To Think, What to Think about X Topic, What is Right and What is wrong.. Someone’s right might be someone else’s wrong.. There is no absolute. Start asking yourself questions. “What do I think about X”
It’s all a big illusion. An echo chamber. Your comment aligns with nearly every other of the 80 comments on this post.. Get YOUR OWN OPINION sister.. EMPOWER YOUR SELF!! You can THINK AND BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU WANT!! 
I’ve been doing this to one redditor every morning.. It’s all love! Don’t want to argue or offend.. Just think for yourself please and you’ll start to see that there isn’t all that much hate in the world, just a lot of FEAR. Hope you have a great day! >

So just to summarize, trump is good , media is lying to you, and I know black people and we never have racism where I am from. Does that about cover it ? >

From Mississippi, of all places, claiming they dont know a racist...yeah right >

I mean this isn't that surprising, if you commit a crime, why would you snitch on yourself? >

Lol, KKK police is not reporting to KKK DOJ. I’m so shocked. >

Huh.
Local enforcement agencies known for racial profiling and systemic oppression of minority people, don't report hate crimes?
Weird. >

I mean, cops are the ones committing many of the hate crimes, so they likely sympathize with the bigots who go around punching elderly Asian ladies.
Back the blue, y'all! /S >

Not surprising considering they commit a substantial  portion. >

Yea,  no. They don’t report most crimes tbh, including the crimes they commit. And with hate crimes, it’s very one sided as far as charging and prosecution, depends on the colour. >

Rule #1 of hate crime-ing is to not report your own hate crimes, so this makes perfect sense. Rule #2 of hate crime-ing is to be at the DOJ and pretend it’s somebody else that’s the problem. >

That's like having the police investigate themselves. Very reliable... >

Well they are not going to report on themselves and their off duty colleauges >

The only thing police report to the feds are civil asset forfeiture proceeds, because they're guaranteed a cut of the money. 
There is absolutely no incentive to tell on themselves. >

How could they? They are part of the population committing them. >

Yeah as long as the joke "we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong" has any truth to it, then the fact of the matter is that they act as a gang sanctioned to keep us in check, ran by the government. >

If they did it would reveal some uncomfortable facts that people don't want to face. >

Because they are the ones commuting them >

Why would they report their own crimes? >

No shit, half of them don't even believe it's a real crime and the other half gleefully commits it every chance they get >

Well yeah because police don’t report the crimes they commit >

Well you don't want to make the white conservatives look like they might actually have a problem. >

Why would they report their own crimes? 
That's just silly. >

Well yes, they tend to be one of the perpetrators. >

"You gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers." >

Police don't give the FBI accurate crime statistics in many cases. >

Lol @ expecting cops to do data collection correctly. Mfers can't even learn basic civil rights and apply that knowledge, why do you think they'll care about data collection? Do they even believe in hate crimes? Lol >

Cops are probably committing a fair amount >

They aren’t reporting much to the FBI either since several mass shootings could’ve been prevented if they did their jobs properly. >

Why would they turn themselves in? >

Law Enforcement in general has shifted more strongly to the right with its inherent biases. It’s not uncommon to find law enforcement officers members of alt-right groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. At least 19 LEO’s have been charged for the events of Jan 6th. >

Why would they report themselves? >

Wow I’m shocked!! But they’re definitely reporting the ones they commit right?? >

Shocked. I'm shocked! Even a little shooketh. Police? Lying? What? >

Police? Not doing their job??
Why I never... >

They believe strongly against incriminating themselves. >

The only hate crimes that exist to them are crimes against police. Everything else is woke left >

I mean, why would they report on themselves or their family? >

even police departments have the right to not incriminate themselves >

Also remember that, per the police's own data, they only solve 4% of reported crimes. 2% of crime overall. These numbers are probably high because of poor reporting. >

No surprise. Cuz if they did “fully report” they’d have to report themselves waaaaay too often! >

Wow, I’m so shocked here!! 
^/s for those who can’t detect sarcasm! >

Let me show you my shocked face -_- >

It’s almost as if they would look worse than they do now. Which is not surprising to most people. Licensed thugs. >

Why would they report on themselves? That'd be extra stupid, like expecting them to investigate themselves. Oh... wait. >

Wait you mean to tell me departments are under reporting to make themselves look good so they receive more funding psssh noooo way!? >

I mean of course? They aren't just going to tell on themselves lol >

self reporting is probably not very accurate >

I'm surprised republicans didn't block the investigation behind this report. >

Of course they’re not :) >

I mean, half the shit that is a hate crime they do not consider is because many cops actually support it. Look at the extreme right wing and white nationalist groups infiltrating law enforcement in the last 20 years. >

Cops don't like to incriminate themselves. >

Police not doing their jobs? shocked pikachu >

Rage Against the Machine lyrics quietly playing in background >

Well they're not going to throw their coworkers or themselves under the bus... >

Well it's not like they're going to report themselves. >

Well I mean, they're responsible for some of them so... >

It's like they sit there and say "how can we stir up some anger in people this week, hmm everyone gets mad at hate crimes so let's check out how they're under reported- near on impossible to verify or deny so we've got our binary shouting match started, we've got different definitions of hate crimes in different areas so we'll have a bunch of experts calling other experts morons, surely an irrelevant celebrity will have a story from years gone by and in all that no one will give a toss about actual victims of actual hate crimes, they'll keep happening and we'll revisit the well whenever we need a hot one" >

Sounds like the doj wants more white supremacist reports, that it's not getting. 
Rookie numbers >

I like how you assume hate crimes are

white supremacist

I mean, it IS the single biggest terror and hate motivated crime threat to America, but there are others. >


I like how you assume hate crimes are

white supremacist

I mean, it IS the single biggest terror and hate motivated crime threat to America, but there are others.

Yeah! How dare they presume that the greatest statistical probability is the greatest statistical probability! >

They're specifically suggesting the FBI are exaggerating the white supremacist threat because narrative.  Or something. >

TBF it’s not the cops job to determine if it’s a “hate crime” or not. That’s a decision the DA makes once they’ve assessed the motivation of the suspect. 
Certainly some cases might be obvious to any average observer (e.g. spray painting nazi symbols on a synagogue), but many aren’t. >

If the police are the ones in estimating crimes and submitting them to the DA then they are indeed responsible. If they fail to interview witnesses or brutalize a member of the community to the point the community withdraws from the police then they have failed not only at their jobs but at providing justice. >

Is it because the police don't want to self-incriminate? >

Hard to report the crime most police are comitting. >

I wholeheartedly believe this as there are often hate crimes against all people who are not reported, especially against whites. >

Centrists are okay with this fact. >

No shit. What we see is always the tip of the iceberg.