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Honestly, I think the more important thing is that OP should seek help because no one deserves to be abused because of grades. Please find someone you trust and talk to them!
Ph.D. perspective here:
At the undergraduate level and below, it honestly doesn't matter.
All of those people will get random jobs that will promote on merit anyway. 74% of people don't even end up in careers related to their undergraduate major!! And the folks who can't learn the job, will fail. Few of those jobs require much education. Certainly not to the level of a BS, and many of them not even to the level of a high school diploma. We've created a system that frankly puts people through the hell of 8 years (4 hs, 4 college) of education that they don't legitimately need in order to say we're hiring based on merit. It's a joke. And everyone who has really looked at what is required of the jobs that kids' with a BS get hired into know it's a joke.
I mean, it is in fact unethical. And we do punish it when caught. But, frankly, the world has decided that a B.A/S. is now what a high school diploma used to be -- and the standards have shifted to reflect that.
But at the graduate level, it does catch up. You can't cheat your way through a thesis. You can't cheat through a master's at any reasonably good school. You certainly can't cheat through a Ph.D. level degree at a properly accredited brick and morter school.
And, the folks who cheat, don't generally apply to those programs because they do recognize that they aren't as good as their record. Sure, we run into it from time to time. But even in this cynical day and age, when a grad student is caught cheating it's still a big deal.
If your parents are hitting you -- that's physical abuse and a crime. It is not the fault of cheaters, it is the fault of your parents being terrible human beings who need to be imprisoned.  Please seek help from the appropriate authorities. >

i think this is most likely from a highschool perspective, where getting into college is the big thing people compete for. >

Anyone who wants to go to college can. Literally. 
Colleges are competing vigorously for candidates. There aren't enough qualified students to go around.
No one who wants to go to college can't based on admission requirements. They may jot be able to based on self-limiting factors. But that is a different discussion >

Are you saying any old university is the same as harvard? >

What substantive difference does it make if I get a degree from Harvard as opposed to any other public university? >


I studied every day for the SAT/my tests and spent a lot of time prepping, creating flashcards, spending time understanding the material, etc. Hours a day

Do you also hate people who never study and do well organically? >

Um, no. The people that I am talking about can do well if they actually spent time studying. I am upset at people who take five minutes to write a notecard and use it on the test. >

Why do you care if people make a note card if your view isn't based on the effort people put in? >

It sounds like you're envious of people who cheat, and you're taking out your frustration from your family on them. 
People who cheat roll the dice and take the dangerous route and risking their education that's on them. That shouldn't bother. You shouldn't waste time worrying about what other people do and focus on your own path.
At the end of the day you can pick straws and say things about grade curves and what not but thats just the begining of a blame mentality. Them cheating isn't going to stop you from getting the job you want. Them cheating is not gonna stop you from living the life you wanna live.
Life is unfair. Some people work tirelessly to get hired for a job just to get beat out by the manager's friend's nephew. If you continue this mindset you're gonna be bothered by a lot of the real >

First and most importantly, if your parents are hitting you for getting bad grades, or for any other reason whatsoever, please seek help. Tell a counselor or trusted teacher as they’ll be required to report it.  This is obviously illegal and the life long trauma this can cause is much worse than any cheating by your peers.
As for the cheating, it’s gonna happen. In school and in life. There’s no good argument for cheating, but I would say that most people cheat out of anxiety. It’s also pretty easy to spot if you’re knowledgeable in whatever subject matter is in question and idiots tend to weed themselves out somewhere down the line. I’m not saying fakers can’t and don’t make it - there’s tons of dumbasses in high paying corporate jobs - but generally speaking the cream will rise to the top. Simply put, it’s not worth the time and energy to actively hate every person who cheats. 
Also, IMO, the onus is on the test creator / teacher / whoever to make the test secure / un-cheat-able. It’s not hard to ask questions that require actual thought and analysis.  
Lastly, if you’re that fed up, be a narc and narc on them.   You’ll burn bridges, but hey, you already think you’re morally superior to them so why not. >

I understand that there are many cheaters that have anxiety. I mean, I don't cheat but I also have anxiety taking tests. But my anger is directed towards students who don't try at all and don't bother picking up a textbook or some notes and cheat.
When did I say I was morally superior to them? >

You didn’t explicitly say it, but you do, right?  As you rightfully should to some extent.   I just don’t think it’s worth getting angry about. I understand and empathize with your thought process in that a cheater will get into a better college and therefore a better grad program and therefore a better job. You’re correct in saying that’s not fair. No one can argue with that. But there’s not much YOU can do about it, so why harbor all this resentment?  What you can do is think about yourself and work hard and you’ll do fine. >

Yeah it sucks, but at this point will it prevent you from getting into the college you want to get into? If not then I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Cheating in college is less feasible and more damaging to yourself and potential career. 
I’m not sure what your relationship/dynamic with your parents is, but I’d start holding my ground/pushing back once it gets to an abusive level. Sorry to hear about that, it’s definitely not ok. >

I mean, possibly. The school I go to is one of the highest-ranked in the state. Tons of kids get into Ivy Leagues or other great universities, and a lot of kids who are just as smart don't get into them... >

Hold up - I totally thought this was an  r/trueofmychest post. So you’re challenging us to convince you not to hate these kids? It’s not really a “view”, but I can give a stab at it. >

my view is that cheating takes opportunities from others and that cheaters have time to study but choose not to. i mean, maybe it's a bit out of place or badly worded. >


and that cheaters have time to study but choose not to

Is your view that this applies to all cheaters, or some cheaters? >

The ones I’m talking abt in my post. >

It sounds like the bigger issue is with your shitty parents tbh. >

OP I’m a successful electro-mechanical engineer.  I say that not to brag.  I also skated by in school.  I went to a state university.  I studied my butt off every day.  I never cheated as I was afraid that it would come back to haunt me later, I would get someone killed, or put a company out of business etc.  It’s important to do the right thing.
I hate cheaters too.  Keep up the good work and it will work out. >


Cheaters take opportunities from people who actually work for their grades. Cheaters spend more time cheating than actually studying. Cheaters have time to study, they just don't study because they're lazy.

I'm a teacher. I get seriously frustrated with people who cheat. Cheating makes it harder for me to do my job well, and harder for me to trust students who are honest.
But I think this is waaay too broad and sweeping a generalization. I don't doubt that it's true of some people. But I think one of the most common causes of cheating is panic because of grade pressure.
That's not to say that you don't have grade pressure. And I commend you for staying honest. But I don't think it makes sense to generalize all people who cheat the way you did.
Speaking of your grade pressure:

And the worst part is that I actually fucking get abused for my grades. My parents are abusive and hit me, scream at me, and shut me out when I don't get all straight, perfect, As

So, that's literally illegal, and you should tell someone about it. I recommend a school counselor, or a teacher you trust. They'll be required to report it. >

As a teacher what percentage of tests or students do you think are being cheated? I'm curious if having that one odd unearned A+ significantly shifts the bell curve. >

When you say "are being cheated" do you mean "are cheating"?
I'm not 100% sure, and it certainly depends on the class structure, especially on how easy it is to cheat. I have way more problems with computer science, where I don't know a good way to set it up so that students can't access their submitted code after a test (to share it), and way fewer problems with physics, where tests are done on paper and unmonitored problem solving is a much smaller portion of the grade.
I would guess that in any given year I probably have something like 2-5 of my ~150 students do something that they consciously acknowledge as cheating (I could be wrong...I'm accounting for the fact that I don't catch all of them, but it's hard for me to estimate how many I don't catch). In computer science there's a ton of helping on homework that is really too much "now do this", but that line is blurry enough that I think most students who harm their own learning that way don't think they're cheating as they do it.
As for "significantly shifts the bell curve", if you're talking about whether that affects the grade of sudents who don't cheat, I don't believe it does for the simple reason that I don't use a bell curve. I do scale assessments, but I set the class average based on how well the class did overall...both compared to similar assessments in previous years, and based on my perception of the understanding displayed on the tests. When I set the scaling function, I then go through tests on the borderline and say "does it make sense that this is a B- and this is a C+?" etc. So if some students who didn't understand the material well cheated and got higher grades, that would result in me also setting a higher class average, and (hopefully, anyway) another student's scaled grade wouldn't change in any systematic way.
That's all assuming I don't catch the cheating. If I catch the cheating, I simply exclude that student's results when doing the scaling steps. >


And the worst part is that I actually fucking get abused for my grades. My parents are abusive and hit me, scream at me, and shut me out when I don't get all straight, perfect, As (NO A-!!!).

Sounds like some redirected anger towards these cheaters if you ask me... >

I mentioned that because they tease me for getting "worse grades" than them if they happen to get better test scores. And they also know my parents are abusive. If I get an A-, like most of the class who didn't cheat, they ask what my friends got. So I say A or something and then they scold me for not doing as good as them or whatever when they got that grade because they cheated. >

woosh...
Your parents should not abuse you.
Don't blame your classmates for your parents abusing you, blame your parents. >

There is no reason your parents should be hitting you for getting bad grades. They seem like much worse people than anyone who cheats on a school test. Good parents don't hit their kids. You should be asking yourself why they think that's ok, not why some assholes at school happen to be cheating or not. >

I mean I know it’s wrong but it’s how most Asian kids are raised. I still love them and everything, and they love me too. I know their parents were like that, and it’s hard to unlearn generational trauma. 
I mentioned my parents because they always ask what my friends got and it sucks telling them that they got an A on the test they cheated on, and me getting asked “why you don’t get same grade if you study?” >


Cheaters take opportunities from people who actually work for their grades

They don't, actually. Their higher performance is not detrimental to your performance.

Cheaters have time to study, they just don't study because they're lazy. 

Frankly, standardized tests are a farce anyway. In no job in the world will you ever have to remember things by heart - you can always look them up. Always. Or ask someone else. They are not a good assessment of intelligence, they're not a good assessment of creativity.

And the worst part is that I actually fucking get abused for my grades. My parents are abusive and hit me, scream at me, and shut me out when I don't get all straight, perfect, As (NO A-!!!).

And how is that the fault of students that cheat? Hate your family for being abusive, not the people who have nothing to do with your family being abusive.
Take it from someone who never cheated in school - it just ain't worth it. >


They don't, actually. Their higher performance is not detrimental to your performance.

It very much is. Is that a joke.
When people cheat, It messes with the grading curve. Which negatively impacts ALL the students that didn't cheat.
When people cheat, It doesn't accurately reflect the quality of the teacher/professor. If a teacher isn't teaching well that gets reflected in the test scores if people were being honest, and will lead to a teacher attempting to change their methods to become a better teacher for the class and future classes. That doesn't happen when kids cheat. >

Not to mention future opportunities. If I get a 3.5 GPA not cheating and have great understanding of my college work, and someone else cheats their way to a 4.0 then they may get a job offer over me despite not actually knowing much at all.
Will it come back to bite THEM when they can’t perform on the job? Probably, but I still most MY potential job offer to someone who doesn’t deserve it. >

Literally an engineer and no employer I’ve ever had has asked what my GPA was in college. They want to know if you have a degree and that’s really all. They don’t give a shit what your GPA was lol >

I mean typically if you go through college recruiting it will help to have it in your resume. They won’t “ask about it.” however, putting it on your résumé, will make it more likely that you get a call, at least in the business/finance world. >

Okay so put you got a 4.0 on your resume. They literally won’t care to even confirm that.
While we are on the topic, you can lie up and down on your resume. Just be able to back it up if it comes to it. Which is the same that goes for grades. Your 4.0 won’t matter for shit at a real job. They care about how you actually do the job, not the fact you filled in the correct bubbles. >

Until they ask for your transcripts lmao. This has happened for every finance job I interned at. >

“Interned”
There’s why. When you go for the actual job, it won’t be asked. My girlfriend has her masters in finance. Literally never been asked for transcripts at any institute she’s worked at. >

They do a background check at any reasonably sized corporation. School transcripts are simple and routine to confirm. >

dude if you're getting beat up for your grades start cheating lmao >

Exactly, work smarter not harder. Being a moral person in an immoral environment will only lead to your swift demise. >

checking a notecard when the teacher isnt looking isn't working smarter, its just being lazy. anyone can do that. >

The teacher is also lazy for allowing such an exploitable test. We also are assuming anything of use was on the card, which you don’t know unless you saw it and took the test, or trust the cheater is telling you the truth after. Regardless what’s the difference if we’re talking about tests that are exploited with a notecard: which of the following years did X take place, a formula, etc. simple low level. 
As you advance, the formulas are often given to you; some are open book; others allow you to make up a part you don’t know and work with the false fact and continue forward on your work to prove your knowledge. >

It seems like you hate these “friends” of yours who cheat and brag about it more than the act of cheating itself. Stop being friends with these people, and you’ll stop being picked on. Block their numbers, and most importantly stop giving them your (correct) homework. You’re just helping them cheat.
If your position on cheating is so important to you, report them. I’m sure your teachers would be more than happy to learn that some students are cheating. If you can do it anonymously do it, there’s nothing to lose. >

Cheating doesn’t stop when you get out of school either. Say you get the dream job, you doubt think there’s charismatic people that fail upwards in the workplace too?? If you don’t, you’re in for a bitter awakening and it’s not worth the anguish. You’re fighting an uphill battle. Just focus on yourself. Be grateful you’re actually learning things that can be applied in life and recognize that your anger is really towards your parents for their abuse (yes it is abuse how are you in college and your parents think it’s ok to physically punish you???) it reads like what you think is resentment towards your peers for causing you to “miss out on opportunities” is really a fear of personal failure brought on by your parents abuse manifesting by you lashing out at peers who don’t suffer the same abuse and the anxiety that stems from it; you’re visibly afraid of them… You’re already making excuses for not living up to their harsh and extreme expectations and shifting the blame from those expectations to cheaters… I’d venture to say you need to talk to someone qualified and cut back on what I can only assume is an obscene intake of caffeine. >


Cheaters take opportunities from people who actually work for their grades
they just don’t study because they’re lazy
they are getting scores close to mine or even better than mine

You could make these same arguments for naturally smart/gifted people. Or for people who have really good memories. >

One of my partners has cheated for basically their entire geometry class this semester with my help. Because their school will not give them the accommodations that they need for their dyslexia and their dyscalculia which makes math basically impossible for them. There is no reason for my partner to suffer and get a bad grade because their school is a piece of shit. I have absolutely no remorse. I will do what I need to do to get my partner graduated and out of school so they can get the fuck out of their house. >

Cheating in school is in itself a form of success.
The sooner you get out of your precious school bubble and realize that life is not fair, that it's never the best worker that actually gets the promotion but the most extrovert and charming, the sooner you'll change your expectations .
I can also add that the current school structute purely based on remembering stuff by heart may work for future doctors remembering disease and bones by heart, but was an absolute joke for all my marketing degrees. I've used maybe if I'm generous 5% of everything I've learned during my bachelor and masters degree, in the workplace >

School is such a small part of your life its really not worth getting so angry about.  It sounds like you're just angry at your parents and the fact that you think you deserve more because you "put in more effort". No one cares. Jobs don't care. Theres so much more to intelligence than taking a test. >

it’s not a small part of my life for me. In my traditional Asian family, it means everything. When I said I didn’t want to go to a top20 college, they took that as they wouldn’t EVER support me. Like literally stopped talking to me, took away all my devices I need for school. >

stop sharing your work. They are mooches and not providing equal value back. You will feel less resentful. >

Let's say I'm really dumb. Can study for hours and not understand anything? Why should I not cheat ? Should I fail, not get a degree and wind up jobless and homeless because I'm super dumb? Or should I cheat,  get a degree,  and get a easy office job? >

Cheaters learn important life lessons. 
1) Taking risks
2) Getting work done in less time, or before the deadline even if odds are against you. 
3) Teamwork
4) Opportunity seeking
5) Cheating also depends on how good you are able to cheat, considering a smart kid who never cheated would never be able to. 
Eg: My brothers never cheat, and when they tried to do so once, got caught. That's why you should atleast learn to cheat. And there's nothing wrong with cheating, it's a life skill everyone should learn, just like lying and managing your taxes and finances. >

People have different memory abilities, it’s unfair that someone who can remember shit faster will get ahead in school while those with crappy memory would have to study hours and hours right? I’m sure we ALL know that one kid that barely studies and simply listens in class and gets everything, is it unfair that some people are faster learners? Also, different attention spans, people will always blame a kid for being unable to focus, some people naturally have better attention spans, others may have to try extremely hard just to be able to pay attention for a while. 
Not to mention kids with learning disorders that aren’t considered “severe enough” are literally just put in the same room. Do you think it’s fair the a kid with dyslexia is forced to read the way normal kids are and complete the same assignment and tests when their brain literally functions in a way that makes it hard for them to? 
The education system is fundamentally flawed and was never designed to be equal. You’ve heard of the study on why gifted kids usually don’t end up doing better in life right? I think cheating is the least of the problems of inequality in school.
you also seem to agree that cheating is more time consuming than actually just studying, i disagree but this was your point. so then… what’s there unfair about? You study all day and get a good grade, someone spends all day planning on how to cheat and also receive a good grade… doesn’t that seem like equal work to you? 
Not everyone who cheats is lazy or incompetent, if that’s your view, it really lacks perception. Think about the multitudes of reasons that may drive one to cheat. Overly pressuring parents, extreme stress, trauma, yes you can argue that you have abusive parents and not cheat but I think this would at least put into perspective those who cheat. Not everyone who fails in school is lazy, not everyone who does well in school is hardworking. Yes, there is a correlation between hard work/ effort and academic performance but that isn’t always the case for everyone.
There are far bigger problems regarding school inequality than cheating. Cheating is no less unfair than being born gifted. Also add in something. If the school education system wasn’t pressuring kids to the extend of causing mental health problems and literal skyrocketing suicide rates. in other countries especially those in east Asia. (since you didn’t mention this being specific to your country.) Do you really still think people would cheat? Obviously some still would but the vast majority of cheaters will just start studying like normal.
I have never cheated in school before. But I’m ready to defend those that do for a any reason other than laziness. >

Maybe i should have worded it better, but my argument was directed toward those who are lazy and cheat. I understand that my post wasn't perfect and there are a lot of other factors when it comes to cheating. 
Hence my entire rant about my friends who have plenty of time but don't study. And they are all somewhat gifted compared to hundreds of other kids at my school. They aren't complete idiots who NEED to cheat to get good grades. They just choose not to study or try. 
And when I said that they cheat more than they study, I didn't mean that literally as if they spend hours trying to find ways to cheat. I mean that as in they barely study at all and spend five minutes writing down stuff on a notecard or flipping through tabs during class.
I understand that there are people who study and still cheat because of stress. My anger is directed to people that don't study or try at all and cheat. >

Oh, alright then. 
I agree with you for the most part on that but would you still take into consideration my previous points made? Is cheating due to laziness really unfair when there are those who can learn fast and memorize without even studying or putting any effort, isn’t it pretty much the same but one was dealt with worser cards in life? >

Although the consequences for crime is much higher >

cheating is not the same thing as crime >

Ok theres a difference between people who use you and people who cheat. It sounds like your mad at people who use you. Most people who cheat don't use other people, they use the internet. That part is completely justified to be mad at. 
As for the cheating itself, cry me a fucking river. At the end of the day school doesn't dictate your competence in the real world. I'd honestly be more proud of my child if they were charismatic, good at networking, and more resourceful than if they were just hard studiers. The saying "work smarter not harder" is incredibly true in the real world.
You can make the claim that cheaters may steal your spot in college later on but the education system itself is unfair. Success in life can't be measured by how well you memorise for a test so why should opportunities be given out based on those criteria. 
The real people you should be mad at are the people that actually abuse you, that is to say your parents. >


Then they act like they actually achieved that score on their own, and make fun of me for my 93 instead of their 95. I try so hard not to snap back at them and say "at least I actually studied for it".

Then why not just anonymously rat them out? >

Cheating is part and partial of every exam >


part and partial

r/BoneAppleTea >

Though admittedly a pretty far off boneappletea. Took me a moment to figure out what they were trying to say. >

No one ever asks you how you won just if you won. >

Having access to a college degree is the difference between having a living wage and not for many people. In matters of being able to have food & shelter all bets are off and any advantage is moral to take >

they say that if you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough... yeah they might be getting better grades than you right now, but they're taking a risk for that. it could catch up with them at any moment. If it makes you feel better, you'll actually be more knowledgeable in the future since you're actually studying lol >

I feel so shitty whenever they go "lol you're getting an A- in Spanish?" and then make fun of my English because I come from a family where English isn't spoken much (so I can't pronounce certain words right). >

well once you get into college it won't be as easy to cheat, and the consequences are a lot more severe... you'll have an advantage over them since you'll have a basis for the material. but if you wanted to be petty i guess you could always snitch on them or something lol >

People who cheat hate school. Everyone is forced to go to school and then judged. There are many people who are neuro divergent, and counter culture that don’t fit into a specific learning environment. Poor performance may lead to a weakening in judgment because of  embarrassment or apathy. They may also not be held to the same level of perfection that your parents impose on you which leads to a completely different subjective experience. I know It’s hard to empathize with them but that same person that cheats may hyper focus and take seriously on other subjects not offered in k-12 and become a master(programming, plumbing, etc)
Edit: I would also argue that in the pursuit of straight A’s one may use strategies/shortcuts to memorize many facts which is not true understanding which is cheating yourself to maximize a metric.(pure exploitation and no exploration) Selecting for people who excel at pure memorization may lead to truly incompetent people rising to positions of power.  Not the worst thing in the world but also not ideal. >

You should probably tell someone more trusted than your parents about how they treat you. That seems to me like the root of this feeling, at least to some degree, and is very much not normal and should be addressed. I’m sorry you’re in that situation, but I don’t think it’s grounds enough for this point to stand on its own. It just sounds like you’re in a really shitty situation. Hope you’re safe OP >

When I talk to my counselor to pull me out of a class because of some dude who was literally stalking me to my home, she brings in the principal to the office and tries to force things out of me. When I opened up to my friends abt it they just saved pictures of my crying and made fun of me for it. I don’t think there’s any trusted place to really spill such secrets except the internet cuz no one knows you. 
And I still love my parents. A lot of it had to deal with cultural differences. I understand they were raised like that (in Asia). >

I think it goes without saying and I’m sure you know this, but people who make fun of you for being upset are not your friends. >

I feel that way sometimes. My friends also make fun of me and sometimes other people for their looks and fashion and stuff like that. And most of the time they look normal or even pretty. It just makes me insecure. “If they think those girls look ugly what do they think abt me… “ 
But at the same time they have been my friends for a long time and have always hung out with me. 
I don’t really know what to do. It’s easy to make casual friends. But everyone in my school had already known each other for years so it’s hard to make new, close friends. 
Now I feel like I’m going on a long rant abt my life smh >

What part of your view did you want changed?
"I don't like something" isn't really a view that anyone can change.  You like it or you don't.  Are we supposed to tell you stories where people who cheat were actually heroes or something? >

They’re taking risks you’re not willing to (and I’m not either.) If they get caught, they stand to fail and be academically sanctioned such that they’ll face tremendous consequences. That won’t happen to you. Yes, you’ve got to work harder for perhaps slightly lower grades, but you do so free from that possibility. I don’t hate people who gamble, even though often they make more money than me with less effort. >

Well there’s 2 ways to look at it and both will succeed. people like you who work hard, actually understand the assignment and succeed with fairness will go on and work careers that save lives and require a level of attention to create an impact in society. You can’t become a doctor and understand medicine to save lives by cheating the entire way. You don’t become a leader in building marine engineering by scamming your math classes. So to your point you are right. 
To the cheaters point. This is Absoutley a cheating world. You don’t get to the top of capitalism by being honest. In my corporate career paths I’ve learned the higher you climb, the stupider and down right cheaters are all up there and they do not care. They will take all your credit and pretend, while they fill their pockets with more money. 
I guess what I’m saying is. There is opportunity for everyone. Being honest and hard working in my opinion is always more fulfilling and rewarding in the end. Sorry to hear you are getting in trouble for being fair and honest in your work while your peers gloat and sneer on their lies. Time catches up to every one though. They may win the battles but you’ll win the war. >

Good for you >

How will you compete with those same people in  the real world workforce? >

Who cares what other people do? Mind your business. >

The problem with cheating is that when the school becomes stricter and the pressure gets to the students, they will do anything to ease the pressure off of them.
I've heard stories of parents helping their kids to cheat on cram school exams. That's how desperate the parents are. Not that I'm excusing cheating, but just saying that not all cheaters are lazy douchebags. >

I understand that and maybe I should’ve been more specific. I was mainly talking about cheaters who genuinely do not try. >

Just in the first sentence , success is mainly just capitalizing on opportunities hard work is secondary to that .
Nerd >

They don’t take as much advantage as you’d think. You’re shaping this wrong in your head. I was always the smart kid, and studied like I was told to do. I know of a couple times people would cheat on me. My grades were always better because I understand the concepts far more than any of them, which helps later in life. People who tried cheating in math still sucked at math. Meanwhile I have a degree in math. 
I remember once these guys in my group project tried to see if I would be willing to take on the work for all three of us. The reality is, in their heads they cheated, in my head I finished a project 10x faster than I would’ve with their help and learned way more than them. 
I feel like your reasoning behind the hatred is your parents. Mine were rough with grades as well. Now that I’m in a successful spot, it’s even hard for me to be mad that they cared that much. 
At the end of the day though, cheaters don’t really take much opportunity. You say it yourself, they bitch to you about their bad grades. >

Never came across a case in my life where a person cheated and scored an A? I mean that person needs to have an exam prep of A- to score an A after cheating. I genuinely fee they are purposely demotivating you as they know if you work harder you might end up scoring more than them >

are you 11? >

Life is unfair. Extremely unfair. If students cheating at your highly ranked school is the biggest injustice you face in your life, you should consider yourself lucky. 
I can almost guarantee that 20 years from now you’ll never think about how other students cheating at your school affected your life. If you hate everything as unfair as that, you’ll end up miserable. >

I feel this. My BFF in HS's Mom was a teacher and she did so much of her work on HS and College. It made me so sad I didn't have the same support. >

Okay seriously cheaters are academic opportunists. Don’t help them out honestly just draw the line, I remember my time I wouldn’t help anybody cheat off my tests I got shit for it but it’s just not right it feels wrong. >

This post doesn't belong here, you view is based on how you see the world because of the system and your environment and that is specific to you.
I have seen people cheat, I just ignore them. Is not my life and not my problem >

I hate the conditions that encourage cheating, in an environment which is supposed to be about learning. >

Unfortunately... the school system is set up to make you into a good instruction follower so you will be a good worker so you can grow up to contribute to the economy like every other good little citizen and pay taxes back to the government that is and eternally will be in incomprehensible debt. The cheaters just found a way around this and realized it's bullshit and this system preys on hard workers like yourself. It's the harsh reality of life. Every animal does it to get ahead >

I cheated like crazy to get throught high school and college. I also worked a full time+ job from 17. I make great money, graduated with 0 debt, and don't really even need any of the things I "learned" anyway. College is a cash grab scam, and k-12 is broken just teaching folks like you to fall in line. >

I had to cheat in school just to pass. Because no amount of studying helped my undiagnosed adhd. >

THe point of school is to get a job. They may be hired but it will be quickly apparent that they are incapable of actually performing the job and they'll end up working at McDonalds. 
You can't cheat a job interview. 
They are violating your moral foundation of fairness which is the second most important moral foundation. We all hate cheaters. We all hate people who do things we don't think are fair.
It's fairly universally true.
But in reality, you shouldn't care about cheaters. They have no impact on you. They are only hurting themselves in the end. >

Sometimes cheating is a necessary outcome for people that want to focus their time elsewhere. If someone knows that they'll never use the material from a course ever again, then why bother mastering the subject? Cheating sometimes not a question of not knowing the material. Rather, some people cheat as a time saver. They could easily learn the information, but it's not worth their time/effort to do so. Grades just happen to be a side quest for these people. You can't be upset with these people. Fact is, measures are put in place to stop the cheaters. It's just that sometimes these cheaters are so smart that those measures will never quite be enough to stop or deter them. As you enter beyond academia, shortcuts are commonplace so you're best to get over it sooner than later. >

What you are mad at is how your parents treat you and are just misplacing it on your friends because they (to your knowledge) have parents that hit them as well. >

They take the risk of being caught. Sometimes they get ahead and sometimes they don't. If it's a subject that builds on itself, it's likely they won't advance that far and will eventually be caught. And if they still advance, it's likely they didn't need to cheat in the first place.
I agree that even if there is no curve in the class, they still can end up out-competing someone with a lower GPA who actually studied. You can definitely turn them in. I would at the very least stop helping them. There's no need to get resentful of a non-reciprocal relationship. Just stop participating in it. >

Done
Do same >


And the worst part is that I actually fucking get abused for my grades. My parents are abusive and hit me, scream at me, and shut me out when I don't get all straight, perfect, As (NO A-!!!).

Pardon me for saying but seems less that you should hate the mistreatment more than something that doesn't truly affect you.  Whether they truly earn a grade will matter very little to you in the future, but will affect them way more. >

I know this isn’t your experience with you and your friends but there are totally people out there that have a genuine work ethic, try and study and still cheat anyways. Look at your situation, I salute your resiliency but if it was me and my parents were abusive to me for getting an A- I would totally cheat for those extra couple points. Also note if you do study and know a lot it’s a little easier to cheat just a little to get those couple extra points. 
Now I’m not trying to convince you that cheating in these cases is moral, but it’s certainly not your image of a freeloading cheater that doesn’t study or try at all. >

Cheating in school is generally allowed to show you how almost every step of the way you will be cheated on. enjoy >

Hey look, you shouldn’t be abused for bad grades. I am sorry that’s happening and you don’t deserve that.
At the same time, cheaters get far in life. It’s not going to be fair but they’ve figured out something you’ll take a long time to figure out. Integrity is not rewarded. You bullshit your way through life for the most part to get that next bigger and better promotion or whatever and then pick up the skills. Sometimes people girl boss too close to the sun and get burned, but for they most part if you’re reasonable about the lie, it’s plausible to build up the skills you need later. >

I hate that no teachers or administrators will actually bust someone or hold them back for it. Trains the cheaters to continue cheating. >

In the real word. No one gives a fuck how you get the answers. They just want the answers and the work to be done. People who cheat in school are simply taking advantage of the opportunity and seeking ways to find the loopholes in this man made system. You should do the same. >


I actually study and don’t cheat on 90% of my exams

Uhh, I really can’t not ask about that. What do you do on the other 10% of your exams? >

I was talking abt my friends. >

Sometimes cheating is a loophole smart people use to save time. >

you hating a group of people for something is not a viewpoint. you clearly are just very angry and do not seem like you actually want anyone to change this “view” of yours. 
people cheat and get away with shit that they shouldn’t, welcome to the real world >

To begin with, it's pretty hard to change a subjective viewpoint like "I hate people who cheat in school". How am I supposed to challenge that?

Cheaters take opportunities from people who actually work for their grades. 

It's not a zero sum game. You get your own grades in the long run.

Cheaters spend more time cheating than actually studying.

Cheating takes time and effort. Both in preparing and in mitigating the risks of being found out.

Cheaters have time to study, they just don't study because they're lazy.

Well, that's just wrong and pointless. Maybe they are lazy, maybe they actually prefer to spend time on something more productive or pleasurable.
Anyway, what they're doing is only "cheating" and "illegal" because someone somewhere decided that and you agreed. In reality they're merely taking a different approach to solving the problem. You study and memorize material, they create references. Due to the fact their way is considered wrong in your environment, they are actually taking risks to solve the problem. And yet they're often more successful at it than you are. So you should, probably, take some lessons there instead of hating them. A hundred years ago a calculator was unheard of and fifty years ago its use was frowned upon. Yet here we are. Organizing instead of memorizing can become a valid technique any day now.
Memorizing a lot of stuff might not do you much good later in life and at work depending on what career you pursue. Surely, as a surgeon, you'd have to know anatomy and basic suturing techniques by heart, without referencing a book every other minute, but as an engineer you'd benefit much more from a skill in organizing information and knowing where to look for extra data.

Then they act like they actually achieved that score on their own

But they did. You disagree with the method but you can't argue the result.
You sound young and stuck between a rock and a hard place, where your parents demand grades (by the way, what's their stance on cheating?) and your "friends" demanding you let them copy your work and mocking you for getting worse results than them. You can't choose your parents but you can drop those friends (and, probably, should, if they're being parasitic). And try to look at cheating as a method, not a violation of all that is sacred. Maybe it would do you good to take a lesson or two from the cheaters. >

Life isn't fair, at the end if the day it's about survival. No good and no bad, just survival. If breaking the rules helps, so be it. 
Im not encouraging people to cheat, but if you want to get ahead in life you can't always follow the "rules". The "rules" are arbitrary and are made to suit others who have a clear advantage.
If your not cheating, someone else is and your at a disadvantage. Nobody is gonna reward you for doing the right thing. Cheating is just another tool for survival. >

No you don’t! 
There you go I have convinced you, now give me a delta. >

Cheating displays problem solving skills, which is inherently more valuable than anything standardized testing measures. 
They could develop the test in a more random and secure way, but they don’t. Maybe for good reason. >

I want to prefix this by stressing this is a bad system and it produces bad results. I wish it wasn't this way but:
You have to understand that the rules of academics are NOT what teachers or your parents say they are. The only rule that matters is "get the highest grade". There are other rules, but they all have the invisible, unspoken prefix of "Don't get caught doing..." People who cheat understand this. They are the individuals who have the intelligence to look within the system and see what the real rules are of that system. That's what school selects for, people who understand the task at hand.
If you don't understand the task as hand, then your bad grade is entirely deserved and by design. You failed the real test because you were caught up with the rules authority figures gave you. Colleges have no use for people who don't understand that. Employers have no use for people who don't understand that. That's what the grade represents. Don't blame your fellow classmates for understanding the game and playing optimally. >

Kinda unrelated in a sense but just to put things into perspective for a group I haven’t seen represented but I wasn’t dealt the most favorable cards as kid and let’s just say if I put all of my focus into my schooling, I more than likely wouldn’t have a mom anymore and my brother would’ve spent some time in some orphanages (which wouldn’t have gone in his favor, kids a prick) but anyways some of us don’t have the privilege of living the “normal” teen life, some of us have to work two jobs, Goto school, do school shit (even if it’s cheating, that still takes valuable minutes out of my day), plan/bring brother too schooling/extra curricular activists, bringing mom to her weekly doc appointments, all while our father is living it up with his new and improved family, etc. all being done on maybe 4 hours of sleep, if I was lucky. My main point really is do NOT generalize me or people like me with you and your privileged friends because we are not the same and never will be the same. 
Grouping a large group of people into your tiny little data base of reference will never do good for any side of the argument because you obviously haven’t thought to put yourself in anybody else’s shoes but your own so idk if I were to give you some sorta help maybe stop hyper focusing on how “shit” (lol) your life is and broaden your horizons of how much worse it could be and maybe your 1st world problems will solve themselves. >

What would you say to someone like me? I never studied. Barely did my work. Graduated with ~3.8. Am I as bad as the cheater because I never put any work in but outperformed the majority? 
What about how I got screwed by having a very large amount of AP courses and a school that won't do weighted GPAs that give bonuses to those courses. So I'm here getting a 4.0 and they get a 5.0 just because of how their school handles things and the college doesn't adjust for that?
In the end it doesn't matter. You can't really cheat an ACT or SAT. Those are the most relevant, along with notable extracurriculars. Even then, your undergrad really doesn't matter.