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I bet the Dubya has a freight container full of em to read to his grandkids before bed. They all start with,"Once upon a warcrime."
Good to know that apparently no one is keeping track of these classified documents at all.  This shit is ridiculous.  Time to audit everyone that had access to classified documents.
If you can't be bothered to log and track every copy of a document then it shouldn't be classified. >

Does no one realize that it was the last Administration that didn't bother to check on documents?? People keep stating "it was 6 years ago!" and ignore the fact that it was a failure of the last Administration to not ensure all documents had been returned. >

It’s a failure on everyone not just the previous admin.  Biden had a responsibility to turn them over.  Nara should have come looking for them.  Someone should have been keeping track of them.  Failures all around here. >

Biden should have returned them, true, but last count was 6 pages, iirc. It's easy to overlook a handful of pages during the turnover at the end of an Administration. Had NARA done is job under the last Administration, those documents would have been requested back, as happened under the current Administration and the missing documents found in FL. >

We’re gonna have to start tying classified docs to giant blocks of wood like an elementary school bathroom pass so people stop taking this shit home and pretending it’s an accident. >

I hope Obama, Clinton and Bush ask to have National Archive staff scrub their offices too. All this stuff should be digital these days with better scrub tools. >

The reason they aren't digital is because its harder for spies to obtain them. However, that was under the guise of spies not being in office capable of taking them. >

As Simon R Green put in his Nightside Series
"You can't hack paper." >

Incorrect. I have a paper here, it is hacked into bits. >

Dear lord it’s Jason Bourne. >

If our Presidents could stop taking classified documents home that would be great. >

Vice president (at the time) in Bidens case. >

I think you are underestimating the volume of classified data the government handles on a routine basis. I dealt with classified stuff all the time even as a fairly junior person when I was in the military. At the executive level of government, I’m sure almost everything you see is classified. The threshold for something being classified is: information that could impact national security. I’m not saying it’s ever okay to mishandle this stuff, but saying the VP doesn’t need access to it is a big leap. >


why is the VP so disorganized he's accidentally misplacing them?

They were in his private office without his knowledge, it's not like he was storying Top Secret documents in his pool house or something. >


He mishandled classified documents. That's illegal.

That's not inherently true, or even what happened here. >

Where has the DOJ said Biden broke the law? So far as I know their only comments on the situation are acknowledging that he had several classified documents and turned them over within a timely manner. >

This is just going to pour more fuel on the fire. >

If it helps, conservatives were going to continue to lose their minds regardless of what Biden did or didn't do. >

They may be less likely to call on Biden to resign though. They're much more afraid of a President Harris. >

That's the insane part that any of them pretended to be afraid of Biden, a rational centrist who doesn't have an extreme bone in his body.
Meanwhile, Harris made a big show of locking up tons of people as A.G.
Bernie Sanders, these people are not >

Not to mention, Harris is a fairly horrible person, runs a shitty office, and did some shady AF shit as AG. >

So do all powerful people. >

And as a democrat, I think he should be held accountable for it if it’s found that he broke the law. 
But that’s the difference, isn’t it?
Conservatives circle the wagons when their man breaks the law. >

I completely agree, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this was the result of an intern/aide/similarly low person on the totem pole fucking up because procedures in the past have been lax. I highly suspect this isn’t new and has happened in every administration and that the way documents are handled when high level government officials travel outside of the White House needs to be completely overhauled. >

One of the articles I read on the matter said that there was a rush to get everything out of the White House before Trump took office, and Biden was very busy as his time as VP wound down. >

Same excuse Trump had though and frankly doesn't fly for me.  
The documents are classified for a reason.  You have a duty to keep track of them. >


The documents are classified for a reason. 

As others have said, if they're just marked Confidential, often times it's not really that important. Schedules, calendars, etc. "For your eyes only" stuff.
What Trump took was Top Secret materials - stuff that can (and apparently was) damaging to the Intelligence community as well as other resources within the government. Materials that are not supposed to ever leave SCIFs but somehow were found in his insecure office. >

Confidential is not the same as classified.  I’m not saying what he did was equivalent of what Trump did.
My point is that clearly there is a massive failure in keeping track of classified documents in the government regardless of party. >

Whoo, Republicans must be livid not being able to prosecute a sitting president. >

Not really,  but it does show the level of incompetence from Biden. He took them and forgot he left them laying around. >

As bad as that is, better than intentionally taking them, refusing a subpoena, and getting raided by the FBI. 
Everybody forgets things. Most people dont intentionally steal classified documents. There is a difference. >

Forgot how? This is his home we're talking about. They should have never been there to begin with, much less years after serving as VP.
Trump was undoubtedly worse, but I fail to see how that makes this any better. >

The main difference is Bidens lawyers found them then turned them in themselves. Trump tried to hide them. Theres a fundamental difference. 
Both were wrong, but both should be handled extremely differently. For instance, hitting a pedestrian with your car is bad. However most people would agree the one who did it on accident should be punished differently than a guy who drove on the sidewalk to run people down. >

I agree with your take, no disagreement here. >


It is distressing that our top officials are so careless with classified materials.
Keep in mind, Biden had a small handful of materials and communicated with the National Archives as soon as documents were uncovered.  Trump ordered boxes upon boxes of documents to be packed up and shipped to Mar-a-Lago, claimed he didn't have them, insisted that they belong to him, and tried to hide them when the DOJ finally came knocking with their warrants. 

The difference between Trump's and Biden's situations are like chalk and cheese. >

Now how do you think Fox News will spin it? Lol >

They spin things the way everyone spins something they don't want to talk about. Give it some brief lip service and then pivot to a secondary focus. >

Can we get some candidates that aren't senile old fucks? >

Absolutely. I'd much rather a pretty 35 year old were president getting nothing done instead of Biden's historically successful first two years. >

lol imagine gargling the balls of your favorite political team so much that you have to Stan them on a thread showing how they mishandle classified information. >

If you are defending a politician for breaking laws regarding classified material, YOU are the problem. I do not care which side of the isle is dumb enough to do this. WE should all be upset about it and it should be punished to the fullest extent. >

Pretty sure no law has been broken yet. Misplacing a document is careless but the law differentiates between that and stealing. So sure, I guess punish him to the fullest extent allowed but with nothing illegal happening it won't be much.
I'm thinking this is just some weak ass attempt at both-side-ism to make Trump look less terrible. >


to make Trump look less terrible.

I have no idea how I would be able to do that. To be fair. But your attempt at whataboutism shows. >

I work with classified material daily. If I brought those documents home, I would be fired and imprisoned. >

Not necessarily. 18 U.S.C. § 1924 requires knowledge of the classified documents and intent to retain them at an unauthorized location. So if you took them without knowing, you didn't really break the law.
Of course, we know Trump knew of the documents he had because NARA repeatedly asked for them to be returned and he refused. This didn't happen with Biden, although it's still possible he knew of the documents. We don't know yet. >

His staffers should be fired no? >

I mean, maybe? Depends on if staffers took the documents I guess. >

Thank God the DNC and RNC are there to make sure we always get inept candidates, without weeding out people who take reform seriously we might have ended up focusing on important things like raising wages, improving the health of all Americans, reducing unnecessary war machine spending, protecting and improving the environment, fixing infrastructure and modernizing it to compete gobally with new mass public transportation, holding corporations to account for rampate security threat level greed. Super cool the masses are so intentionally uneducated and stressed out/impoverished that we get not one, not two, but three broken branches out of three.
And want to see things get even worse? Try not voting or convincing people to rebel with their votes in generals, or to vote third party - the fun part is this isn't even as bad as it gets, if we disengage it gets even worse! Yay! >

Refuse to be a part of the duopoly, no matter how much somebody screams about your vote being wasted or the hysterics they are displaying. This is how they get your vote. You think there's ever going to be a time when they don't have an excuse why you should vote against your preferred candidate and go to the big two? 
You'll sleep better at night knowing you're not directly contributing to the problem. >

::sprays with water:: tssts. NO. >

There has to be some kind of common denominator of thread that links all of these together and the national archives for crying out loud needs to keep their s together. Libraries public library seem to keep better track of their s than they do did anybody sign to check these things out is there a process of possession. Is there a return by date WTF >

Perhaps a 5¢ per day overdue charge for the TS docs might get someone's attention. >

So will Biden get arrested? >

Never. Precedent set by the previous head of the DoJ, Bill Barr, is to never prosecute a sitting president. >

Please excuse my ignorance on this as I'm a Brit, but wouldn't taking home some documents be like having homework? >

It is the retention of classified documents after being in office. US law does consider intent to retain into whether its a criminal matter. >

This keeps turning into but wait there's more >

There will be an investigation to see if he violated the espionage act. If he did, he should be prosecuted.
Unauthorized possession is not a violation of the act, they have to find evidence that he became a conduit (even unintentionally), or intentionally obstructed their recovery. The president is not subject to the UCMJ. The rule should probably be somewhat stricter, but here we are.
18 USC 37 §793 - parts D and E
Trump on the other hand has violated the act at least twice in public view. One, with that refusal letter to the archives (this one he can probably deflect onto his lawyer). Two, by hiding documents and submitting that false affidavit. That one, he is personally at high risk of prosecution. And we haven't even seen the unredacted contents of the affidavit submitted by the FBI in florida's district court, so these are just the two we know about. >

And zero references to the scandal on the front page of /politics. Weird. They were all kinds of pissed when it was Trump breaking the law and downplaying it. >

Lots of pearl clutching here. Remove ideology for a moment…
Sensitive documents have always been found and returned when they’ve been mistakenly kept.This is not a new thing and the fact they’re procedures and precedents in place for this is proof. 
So the act of it happening is not the end of the world. 
The Archive is actually really lenient about this issues and encourages anyone with these types of documents to hand them back in usually they’ll be like “cool, dude. You know we’re we are if you find more”
The issue with Trump was the Archive figured out things were missing and he wouldn’t return them. After a YEAR of back and forth and some attempts at getting the documents back including sworn statements that all were returned, the FBI had to be called in and found more. It’s pretty obvious Trump know and lied about the documents and was keeping them. For what end we do not know.
Biden could have kept his mouth shut and no one would have known because the Archive did not know they were missing. But he voluntarily sent them back and more when more searches were done. 
They are two completely different situations. 
It’s like saying both men starred in a movie but that’s where similarities end. The stories, run time, cast and production team are all different.
Garland should investigate why and how about all of these instances but the results will always different and probably all filed under the “whoops” header.