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I have always agreed with this kind of thing.
Does that apply to husbands who smoke next to the pregnant woman >

Or how about dead beat dads?  Why isn't it illegal to be a bad father? >

Because you aren’t potentially killing ur baby lol this is a terrible comparison >

But it would be harming the child. >

I don’t smoke nor do I agree with smokers but it’s still not the same for a pregnant woman to smoke and a man that’s sitting beside her for 3 minutes >

Second hand smoke is proven to be harmful for the pregnant woman as well as the baby. >

Hmm does this extend to sushi, rare steak,  and unmicrowaved deli turkey too? >

Only bi-monthly on the weekend >

That went right over your head >

Ahaha I had to double check it was actually the OP! >

Not trying to justify drinking and smoking during pregnancy but out of curiosity how would this play out with the backdrop of “my body, my choice”? >

"My body, my choice" is a great slogan and ideal. Taken to its absolutes/literally though it is moronic. Obviously it's not your right to chop off all your baby's toes the day before birth because the baby is "your body" thats absolutely insane. There is medium ground between safety of the mother, timing during pregnancy, and safety of the child and that should be what people discuss and argue about. This post was basically a joking way to get people to look at it that way. Obviously what I posted, taken literally is crazy, but at its heart it's what's right, we need to find the sane middle ground with it.... as well as "My body My choice" in spirit? Yes. Literally? No, that's insane. >


Obviously it's not your right to chop off all your baby's toes

All of could think of when I read this was..
Erm.. Americans are pretty hot on chopping off their baby's foreskin 😬 >

YUP >

My body my right is never used in this context. >

Let's arrest all fathers for drinking too 
Why stop there? Arrest fathers for smoking and drug abuse too. >

Yeeeaah I hate seeing someone smoke, do drugs, or drink while pregnant. But at the same time, addictions aren't so easily broken. That, and with the restriction on abortion for some an reason is already going to cause enough foster care children. >

Yes, let's give women even more reason to fear being punished for reproducing. 
I, like you, know I get up every day wondering "how can I make a woman's body even more like an incubator, legally". >

u/yallscrazy is salivating at the thought >

So if I have a drink today and I find out at the doctor a day later that I’m 1 week pregnant, you’d have me arrested despite the fact that pregnancy is incredibly hard to notice until at least six weeks? >

~~K~~no~~wingly~~. >

How will you prove a woman knows she pregnant, then? There’s even a show dedicated to women giving birth, never knowing they were pregnant. It can happen. Should women be arrested if they don’t show the typical signs of pregnancy and do irresponsible things? 
Also, why wouldn’t this also carry over into “irresponsible actions” that could hurt a fetus like traveling to a country that has Zika virus, working a dangerous job, playing rough contact sports, taking medications that cause birth defects, etc. >


Should women be arrested if they don’t show the typical signs of pregnancy and do irresponsible things? 

Knowingly pregnant is in the title of my post. >

Yes, and my question is how will law enforcement prove someone was knowingly pregnant when they committed the crime? >

I'm not agreeing with OP, but proving intent is part of what law enforcement does. It's not exactly difficult to find out if a woman knew she was pregnant, and ironically this is part of the reason why his idea would be terrible. Women with substance abuse issues would not seek prenatal care. >

It’s not difficult if you don’t mind violating human rights, you mean. Besides anything less than a confession, how would you prove that a woman knew she was pregnant without a doubt besides breaking privacy laws to force her doctors to release her medical information?
You know this would be abused, too. Anytime a cop meets a woman who rejects him, divorces him, or gives him lip, he’s going to accuse her of smelling like weed/booze and ask for a warrant to prove she’s not pregnant. Then corrupt cops know all about her medical history… >


Besides anything less than a confession, how would you prove that a woman knew she was pregnant without a doubt besides breaking privacy laws to force her doctors to release her medical information?

If she lives in the US than it's not against the law for medical information to be used in court. 
I agree this law would be abused and that it's a bad idea, but it would be very east to prove that a woman knows she's pregnant. >

Don’t you need a warrant and reasonable suspicion? >

The process is that an attorney, court clerk, or other legal professionals would need to request the medical records if they are legally relevant to the case. When that happens, you can choose not to release your medical info. 
But if a judge, magistrate, or administrative tribunal signs off on the request, then it becomes a court order, and your medical providers have to release the information. In order to be considered for a court order, a lawyer must explain how evidence within specific medical records is necessary and possibly the only way to prove a case. >

This would require parents and prospective parents to vote for a law that might impact them, and good luck with that. >

If you are a smoker, quitting would put more stress in the fetus than not quitting. It is recommended to slow down rather than quit. In fact this applies to all/most drugs if you are addicted. >

So the kid could be completely unharmed by one drink but still gets to be born in jail. Cool. >

That's what the get out of jail free card is for in my completely literal post I made ya silly. >

How convenient there is a "get out of jail card" from the accuser, aka a man, so men like you can police women minding their own business. If there were such an exception then it was never about the baby's welfare and 100% a misogynist salivating at the idea of policing women. The "for the babies!" mask slipped and another misogynist piece of trash was revealed. Yes, I am talking about u/yallscrazy >

Ahh yes, nothing produces a functional, stable, productive human like having a mother in prison from birth!
Oh, oh, or better yet! Fine her thousands of dollars! That’ll teach her, and improve the child’s life!
And if all else fails, we can just take the child from her and put them in the foster system! The foster system is totally ready to accept all those children!
/s >

First off, a stranger on the street that sees something they find objectionable according to their version of “right”, can fuck right off. Same goes for unsolicited parenting and pregnancy advice. 
Second, there has been plenty of research they says having a drink while pregnant is perfectly fine. 
Third, there are already rules in place like this for pregnant women. When you go to regular OB appointment the first thing they do is check your pee for all the substances and you can get into a heap of trouble and lose custody of your newborn and go straight to jail if your labs show you to be the kind shit brick that would abuse substances while pregnant. >

No, we do not know that having a drink while pregnant is perfectly fine. Research says we don't know how much, if any, alcohol is safe for a specific fetus so the only safe amount is zero. FASD is a lifelong curse. >

So interesting point, my gyno actually told me a glass of wine at the end of the day while pregnant is much better than the mom being stressed out. While I don’t really drink because I get migraines he offered that unsolicited so maybe moms work out with a real doctor what is and isn’t okay and choose what is right for you. I kinda wonder how stressed I must have seemed for him to offer that advice. >

Yep! My midwife suggested wine at home in the initial stages of labor to help with my desire to have a non medicated birth. I also had wine every now and then throughout my pregnancy. >

Friend... pls do not arrest every woman who gets pregnant accidentally, doesn't know it,  and continues to live her life normally until she finds out months later... If someone has irregular periods it might not be clear that she is pregnancy until the second trimester (or even longer sometimes). This would criminalize all of them. >

Some people in the comments like u/zettz27 support arresting women for just that, saying it's irresponsible for a woman to not have irregular periods checked out lol >

No penalty for heroin or cocaine. Interesting take. 
I, too, wish to impose my safety personal considerations on others. Some possibilities are -- women who are pregnant should be barred from:

performing stressful jobs
driving or riding in automobiles
consuming caffeine
using hot tubs or saunas
owing a cat
participating in any sort of sport... the list goes on. 

Let's all tell others what they can and can't do! >


No penalty for heroin or cocaine

Lol, well you missed Fentanyl and Molly so I guess you must support using those huh? That's the only possible explanation!

I, too, wish to impose my safety personal considerations on others

Oh boo hoo, you're not allowed to irreparably harm a baby. Your rights to a beer are so much more important that a child's brain! >


you're not allowed to irreparably harm a baby

All of things I listed are activities that might harm a baby. You don't get to pick what others do, and you really have no say unless something someone else does will harm you. >


unless something someone else does will harm you

I was a fetus too, believe it or not.... we all were! >

And do you think that every mother ever has given up alcohol and smoking? It's bullshit - there's alot of things that increase risk during pregnancy but I'd bet over 50% of the currents world's population had mothers who drank and/or smoked during pregnancy (as well as eat cheese, drink meat and sll the other things on the naughty list). Stop trying to police people and let them make their own choices.
Up vote for an unpopular opinion though >

I heard a story about someone who called around cannabis shops here in Ca and say they were pregnant and ask them if weed would help with morning sickness.    Most stores said that marijuana was good for morning sickness.    Worst advice ever. >

Conspiracy to aid SWP for sure. >

SWP? >

Salt With Pepper >

Is marrying your 1st cousin illegal? >

In most of the US, yeah. >

Oh really? >

31 ban it or otherwise heavily restrict it, 19 don’t. Doesn’t seem to follow party line. Maybe there’s some cultural influence on it? >

I knew a girl who was on drugs and was forced into a mental ward until she gave birth. That worked without the punishment and without death from suddenly going cold turkey on alcohol. >

An indeed unpopular opinion >

Who’s the comic that had the line ‘I’m drinking for two’… >

What in the fuck- >

Years ago my friend’s sister gave birth to a little girl with so many disabilities she didn’t even have the power to smile. She was given up to be taken care of in a home. Her mother was smoking meth while pregnant (so nothing to do with alcohol/cigarettes). It felt criminal, like she really did that to a person. But yeah, her body her choice I guess 🤷🏼‍♀️ >

But let the drug addicts keep at it, great idea. >

Straight to jail. > >

So a kid will be extra fucked by being dumber AND parents in jail…cool >

This is proof most people still have a Medieval mindset. >

And if the woman doesn’t take the recommended 400 mcg of folic acid daily? What should  be the punishment for that? >

Some doctors don't recommend quitting cigarettes during pregnancy it can cause miscarriage >

Yeah take those babies away from their parents. Foster care where they’ll get lost or sex trafficked is better >

It never ceases to amaze me how people on this sub just want to argue. Like with lots of the posts I get it but is “don’t drink or smoke while pregnant” really that hot of a take? >

That's not the take, the take is making it illegal. Aka a woman can be arrested on the mere suspicion of drinking while pregnant, such as she drinks while being fat, and in the comments he advocates policing women for eating rare meat and other foods too. And OP wants an exception if the accuser decides to forgive the woman, which absolutely makes no sense and screams OP just wants to police women's bodies. >

I would probably support services for women to have choices or discard the pregnancy. Addiction isn’t much of a choice but rather a disease. If the person is addictive to cigarette already is showing they aren’t right and if smoking while pregnant, well there is a big mental health issue on them. Send them to jail won’t help, provide comprehensive health services will do more for them and maybe the baby. >

Their body, their choice >

nope. >

Yep >

Not at all, if you are pregnant, either get rid of it and drink or keep it and don't drink. Those are your two options. There is no third option. So either get an abortion and do all the drugs and alcohol that you want or be responsible human being for 5 seconds and don't consume dangerous products which are harmful to babies growing in the womb. >

Clump of cells in the womb >

Yeah, a living bunch of cells in the womb. Did you know that you are also a bunch of cells? So is any pet that you've ever had, your parents, friends and family, every organism is a clump of cells. That argument means absolutely nothing. >

Until it's no longer a clump of cells, i.e. born, nunya. Her body, her choice. >

Not so, until it is sentient, you can do with it as you see fit seeing as it is a living clump of cells that does not have personhood. Once it has the personhood of sentience, you have to treat it like a person and humans typically develop sentience and consciousness at the roughly 20 week Mark, sometimes a little before sometimes a little after. Once you get to that point, you shouldn't have an abortion unless your life is in danger. 
Also, 20 weeks is more than enough time to make up your mind and if you can't make it up after 20 weeks, there's another issue there all together >

Nope. Whatever is in YOUR uterus, do whatever you want with it. Someone else's? Nunya. gtfo >

Nope. You have a responsibly to your kid to figure your shit out faster than it can develop a brain.