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Add it to the pile of crap he says he returned but didn't.
Two documents that Donald Trump’s legal team returned to the justice department last year after retrieving them from a private storage unit in Florida as part of an additional search for materials were marked classified at the secret level, according to sources familiar with the matter.
The materials included one document marked as secret on the cover page, and a second document marked as secret with its classified attachment removed, one of the sources said – which Trump’s lawyers told the department was an indication of that document no longer being classified.
The two documents were found inside sealed boxes that appeared to have been unopened from when they were shipped down to the storage unit in Florida, near Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort, from the White House at the end of the Trump administration, the lawyers also told the justice department.
Since the two documents were returned as soon as the lawyers were informed of the discovery, the department is not expected to include them as part of the wider criminal investigation into Trump’s retention of national security information and obstruction of justice. >


one of the sources said – which Trump’s lawyers told the department was an indication of that document no longer being classified.

That argument is going to age like milk when they find out that the cover page was removed after January 20, 2021. >

The argument was nonsense to start with. >

One of the documents is missing and they’re not going to add that to the wider investigation. Oh my God that’s insane.
It’s probably already sold to MBS or Putin >

Well the attachments are missing. Thats either very bad or they were properly removed and detained/disposed - we dont know yet.
But the fact that Trump isnt in trouble for returning these documents makes me think that Biden/Pence will not be charged (because they quickly handed stuff over as well). >

Biden and Pence won't be charged as an excuse to not charge Trump. >

I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that Trump handed some stuff over quickly just as Biden/Pence did. I doubt he will be charged for those documents.
I'm also saying that Trump knowingly withheld other documents and IMHO he will be charged for those documents. >

6 years isn't exactly, "quicky", just sayin. >

I think the clock on that starts running when you know or have reason to know that you are in possession of documents that you shouldn’t have. >

They probably knew the whole time. >

Potentially, but considering even the National Archives didn’t seem to know they were missing, I believe that to be unlikely. >


Potentially, but considering even the National Archives didn’t seem to know they were missing, I believe that to be unlikely.

Trump was told by someone what to steal. He then stole it, and sold it. They knew exactly what they were doing. >

Donald Trump crimes are like cockroaches. If you see one or two, you can be certain there are hundreds more that you don’t see. >

This is so spot on, it’s gross. >

Biden and pence probably(likely) accidentally took bs documents that are deem classified. 
Donald stole documents abt other countries nuclear capabilities and refused to give them back. Gets raided by the fbi because he wouldn’t return them. Still has some that he refuses to give back. And now some are verifiably missing. 
SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE PEOPLE? >

This is the correct answer.  In order to perform their role in government they have to touch and read classified information.  Not all information is at the same level, but if you handcuff them to the office then government will cease to function. 
The rules need to be amended to classify docs to office only and those that can be transported with better tracking to assure return. >

But since I’m on a rant about this crap. Now the Republicans want the FBI to search Hunters residence. Because you know maybe he sold some documents to make all that money. But if we are going to do that we should definitely search Jared and Ivanka’s house. Surely you don’t think that the Saudi’s just gave him that BILLION dollars for no reason. >

it was 2 billion, but point taken. >

Found in a storage unit outside MAL. Presumably found after the search warrant was executed. With a document missing and claiming that means it was declassified (where have I heard this before).
Again, search every property, room, car, suitcase that he has or visits. And I hate to say it but dig up his ex wife from his golf course too. >

There is a non-zero chance that he buried stuff with his ex-wife. >

Why else does a cremated body need a coffin and buried on a private residence?? >

Tax evasion.  New Jersey has some extremely generous tax dodges for cemeteries, and having her buried there makes the property a cemetery.  
Or so I heard, I'm not an NJ tax lawyer. >

I heard that too and it wouldn’t surprise me either. I find humor in this given the fact she wrote him out of her will. >

Hey so this is bad, like a level beyond confidential, which is meat and potatoes for high level government executives. Secret documents are specific, tangible, and significant. 
The three designations of classification are “Top Secret,” “Secret,” and “Confidential.” Sauce

(1) Top Secret. Information may be classified “Top Secret” if its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security. This classification should be used with the utmost restraint. Examples of “exceptionally grave damage” include armed hostilities against the United States or its allies; disruption of foreign relations vitally affecting the national security; the compromise of vital national defense plans or complex cryptologic and communications intelligence systems; the revelation of sensitive intelligence operations; and the disclosure of scientific or technological developments vital to national security.
(2) Secret. Information may be classified “Secret” if its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the national security. This classification should be used sparingly. Examples of “serious damage” include disruption of foreign relations significantly affecting the national security; significant impairment of a program or policy directly related to the national security; revelation of significant military plans or intelligence operations; and compromise of significant scientific or technological developments relating to national security.
(3) Confidential. Information may be classified “Confidential” if its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause damage to the national security. Except as otherwise provided by statute, no other terms shall be used to identify classified information. Terms or phrases such as “For Official Use Only” or “Limited Official Use” shall not be used to identify national security information. No other term or phrase shall be used in conjunction with these national security information designations, such as “Secret Sensitive” or “Agency Confidential” to identify national security information. >

Secret isn't too bad; we overclassify info all the time. TS/SCI is the actual damaging info.
I'm fine with nailing people for mishandling classified information, but secret docs usually aren't going to cause significant harm if they get compromised. >

based on? >

Personal experience operating a secure comms center in the US military a decade ago. >

Word >

This whole thing seems to have lost steam entirely. 
Maybe it was too optimistic to expect him to face any charges for this. >

Obstruction. I think that was always going to be the end game. That's a big difference. >

Our system for keeping track of top secret documents is awful. Isn't that a huge issue? 
The local library does a better job keeping track of books than the government does with top secret information. >

It is awful, but part of what makes it awful is how aggressively easy it is to create "classified" documents. Lots of incredibly banal things are classified - for instance, one of the classified documents found on Hillary Clinton's file server was a happy birthday email from an ambassador. Completely benign, but it was an official communication between an ambassador and the Secretary of State, so it was classified.
It's like the library having to track all their books, plus every piece of scrap paper or sticky note anybody in there used. At a certain point, it simply isn't possible to create a tracking system without massively revamping how these files are made in the first place. >

Seriously, has the federal government never heard of the Dewey Decimal System. Ya know, the cataloging system that every public library uses to store books and use to check books out to know who has the book. OR bar codes and scanners. You create a document, it gets a bar code sticker and this guy has it checked out. This can never happen again. >

Just a face you’d love to slap the shit outta. Fuck him. >

Are the secrets in the docs Trump kept of the same kind as those in the Biden or Pence docs?
My tin foil hat suspicion is they were planted on Biden & Pence to make them look as bad as Trump and because Trump wants revenge on people who stopped him from becoming emperor.
But, the more likely reality is that there are a lot of documents being classified for wrong reasons (a thing which was discussed many decades ago) and there is not enough tracking of those documents to ensure they get home safely after a wild sleep-over party at someone's home. >

There are different levels of classification. It was pretty widely reported what Trump took, which was basically our darkest secrets including human intel (spies) and nuclear info. There hasn't been a report on what type of documents were found in Biden and Pence's homes. I suspect that either journalists legitimately don't know because both parties handed the info back and there was no FBI raid, or that generally speaking what they had was a lot less newsworthy and the articles would be less interesting if we knew that what they took was mundane. It's probably also worth noting that the Archives didn't know that stuff was missing and could be in Biden or Pence's possession, while they knew full well exactly what was missing in Trump's case. This also points to Trump taking things that the National Archives cares about, and Biden and Pence not.
Here are some examples of things that could be classified but would be mundane finds:
-A daily schedule, particularly one where they're meeting with foreign dignitaries.
-Newspaper articles (I'm not kidding. One of the classified pieces of info found in Clinton's emails was a WaPo article. She did not write, nor was it suggested she contributed to the article. The article contained classified info and it was sent to her.) >

This is just getting ridiculous now. >

Out of curiosity, do we know the classification markings on the Biden documents?  We're they just Classified? >

We do not know yet.  This is an important point >

At this rate, maybe they should check my garage! Who knows?! >

I think my cat is sitting on some right now! >

Looks like every politician takes secret papers home to store in their bathroom or their garage >

Looks like Trump took his on the way out and with some intent other than government service.  That is point 1. Point 2 is that Trump refused to return most of them and lied he had returned them all.
So yeah not equal. >

Trump was absolutely told what to steal by someone.
He then stole the documents, with help. You can't just take HUMINT and nuclear secret docs from a SCIF without someone very high up aiding and abetting you.
He then sold that information to our enemies.
All of this is glaringly obvious, and the fact that the media is treating this like some legal or administrative issue about returning documents is out of this world. We have a former President that turned out to be an active traitor. This should be a global scandal. >


Trump was absolutely told what to steal by someone.

I agree >

Honestly this is on the White House and who ever is in charge of these documents. There needs to be a checkout on when they're taken and where they will be taken/shipped to so they can keep track of these documents. I don't care who it's for but if it gonna be a big deal then they need to implement a system to keep it a big deal. 
Until then it's all just political theater at this point.