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Because China and other terrorist states are providing Russia with arms.
So you either keep it up or give up.
Losing would not be ideal for world stability and peace
Ukraine is going to have an OP armed forces when this is over. >

Soon, space lasers! >

I bet they could get some from Israel. >

Welcome to the danger zone, Jack >

As I understand it Ukrainian pilots are only trained on Russian/Soviet aircraft. I hope I’m wrong and they could fly the F-16. It would be even more devastating to Russia’s efforts. >

It’s the most common fighter in the world and has been sold to other Slavic nations, so hopefully they will be an infrastructure there to plug them in. >

Take them.  F16's have been wanting to fuck up Russian military for decades... >

I, too, love the '90's. >

What do you mean? F-16s are our current light fighters with no replacement in sight. >

Yes but they still date from the 90s. >

We used to fly F-16s. We still do, but we used to, too. >

It would be quicker to just fight it for th… oh. >

Hope Zelensky stays President for a long time after this is over, and corruption doesn’t bleed back into the leadership of the Ukraine government. Let alone all the money to rebuild the country and corrupt contractors swooping in. >


Let alone all the money to rebuild the country and corrupt contractors swooping in.

Kellogg Brown and Root, Force Protection Industries, Titan Corp, ~~DynCorp~~ Amentum... >

Exactly, it’s going to be a feeding frenzy… >

Why not? Putin has already said the tanks crossed the line.  How many “lines” are there? >


With main battle tanks from the U.S. and Germany now headed to Ukraine, Kyiv is now focusing on securing modern fighter jets from Western allies.  
Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine’s Defense secretary, told The Hill that he was optimistic about receiving Western fighter jets such as the American F-16s, which Ukrainians have sought since early last year when Russia first invaded.  
“Every type of weapon we request, we needed yesterday,” Sak said. “We will do everything possible to ensure Ukraine gets fourth-generation fighter jets as soon as possible.”

It started with 'ammunition', continued to artillery, advanced to HIMARS, flatlined with some old choppers, was raised with Patriots, escalated to Abrams and now is soaring towards jets. 
edit: not opposed just following with interest >

We should have been giving them the jets months ago. >

Hopefully we’ve been training them and when it’s eventually announced they are ready to go into action. >

Disclaimer: I fully support supplying Ukraine with everything they need and more.
Those of us that believe this should be very careful. The American people are watching. The Russian propaganda machine (and their republican enablers) are about to gear up with "Ukrainian corruption" as their centerpiece. I advise EXTREME caution with PUBLIC requests. Use back channels. Start showing the progress Ukrainian forces are making with all the arms and matériel they are receiving. But public relations will keep the arms flowing. A couple of missteps and the tide turns. I am just giving a warning about what is coming. >

You're right. But we are dealing with a Congress that voted `15 times for it's own speaker. How many votes will it take to keep pumping Ukraine? 
They're gonna have a panel to show us "just' what progress Ukraine is making. And it may not be what CNN is telling us (big surprise).
The Right want that money on the border, and the left to keep funding their goodies. 
And so, what's the end game when the spicket shuts? 
That's really the worry Ukrainians should have, being idt the American People are gonna support this much longer, if they even are. And going into a campaign season, Trump will be all over this. >


The Right want that money on the border, and the left to keep funding their goodies.

... "goodies" >

Well, what are they gonna do? Fund SS, or whatever programs with the little money the penny pinchers are gonna give them, and send it to Ukraine instead? They wont even raise the debt ceiling. 
I think the American People are gonna want to know the "end game" here, being idk if they're gonna pick Ukraine over the border, or Ukraine over Medicare. This whole matter is becoming dangerously folly. >

Medicare and Social Security are hardly goodies, and they're not exclusive to "the left" either. We should in no way have to choose between funding longstanding, critical parts of the safety net and Ukraine. If we do, that's on the republicans in charge, not the left. >

Ukraine is also demanding 10 X-Wing fighters and a 1,000 lightsabers >


and a 1,000 lightsabers

Too dangerous, if any one if them drops one perfectly vertical I'm not sure Rick wouldn't just say fuck it and peace out to a new parallel universe. >

Shouldn't they be asking for A-10's? I would... >

Without first having air superiority established they'll get shot down left and right.  They'll be handy only after F-16s do SEAD first but otherwise they shouldn't be used against an opposing force with fighters or AA.  Don't get me wrong, brrrrt has its charms but it's not what you want in there first. >

What about the abundance of manpads? Is total air control even possible? >

What’s the over/under for the number of years before these weapons were handing over the the Ukrainian regime are turned on Americans? >

Well since they'll likely be a fellow NATO ally in a few years, I'm gonna go with never. >

LOL. I even amaze myself at times.
"Next, Zelensky will want F16's, but, Biden will have to say we need troops on the ground to "advise"" and guide the F 16s. That's where this is going"..
Well, idk, i've been right so far, and hopefully wrong in the rest olf that statement, but if we don't stop this madness, that's where it's gonna go. >

Hardly.
Ukraine has been asking for F16 since Day 1. >

Against 5th Gen Fighters? >

I believe biden admin is negotiating with some Latin countries to get their soviet/Russian arms to then sell them American arms.