diff --git "a/twenty_newsgroups/validation.csv" "b/twenty_newsgroups/validation.csv" new file mode 100644--- /dev/null +++ "b/twenty_newsgroups/validation.csv" @@ -0,0 +1,75722 @@ +text,label +": >What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? +: Since the Quadra is the only Mac able to deal with 5MB/s and Hard drives START +: at 160MB I have NO idea. +: For the Mac I have the following {These are ALL external} +: 20MB $299 {$15/MB} +: 52MB $379 {$7.3/MB} +: 80MB $449 {$5.63/MB} +: 120MB $569-$639 {$4.75-$5.33/MB +: 210MB $979-$1029{$4.67-$4.90/MB} +: 320MB $1499-$1549 {$4.68-$4.84/MB} +: 510MB $1999-$2119 ($3.92-$4.31/MB} +: etc + +I thought you might want the latest prices: + +As of MacWeek 4/12/93: + Meg: Int Ext + 20M - couldn't find one available. + 42M - $159 $219 + 85M - $199 $269 + 127 - $279 $349 + 170 - $299 $359 All above are quantum, low profile (1"") 3.5"" drives + 240 - $369 $449 + 525 - $899 $979 + 1225- $1499 $1569 - the last three are quantum 1/2 height 3.5"" drives. + +[ bunch o stuff deleted ] + +: SCSI came FROM the high end computer world with multitasking OS were the +: standard for the most part. + +Hear, hear. ",3 +"Hi! + +I remember reading (or hallucinating) that NCD's PC-Xremote functionality had +been given, by NCD, to MIT for inclusion in X11R6. Is this true? If so, +(set mode/cheap) can I just wait for X11R6 to get compressed serial line +X server support? + +Thanks!",5 +"===== This is a posting for my friend who does not have USENET access ======== +===== Please contact him (not me) directly, thank you ======================== + +1. The Mac II is supposed to have a socket for the MC68851 PMMU chip. Could +anyone let me know where that socket is on the motherboard. I have obtained +a PMMU chip (16 Mhz) from a surplus store, and would like to install it onto +my Mac II (circa 1987). But I cannot see the socket myself when I tried to +install it. + +2. Could anyone send me the pinouts for the Mac II SCSI DB-25 interface? + + +Thank you.",4 +"Dbase IV, ver 1.5, 3.5 disks. Manuals still shrinkwrapped, and all +registration materials present. Asking $125. + +",6 +"> MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------[new]-------$1200.00 +> Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!! + +I'm sure that the Motorola is worth it, but this kind of thing +has always mystified me. $400 is the price of very good, new +dual-band, fully synthasized HT. Yes, yes, I know Motorola +HTs are bullet-proof, unbreakable, plutonium-based +indestructable -- you can drive a tank over them and they'll +still work. But just how often does that come up? Why are hams +willing (and they *are*) to spend the price of a synthaszied +dual-bander for a 2-channel xtal rig??? Note: this is not +a flame; as I said, I'm sure this is a good deal for this rig. +I'm just amazed that it *is* a good deal. I would have guessed +that a 2 channel xtal rig could never be worth as much as a dual- +bander to a ham, no matter how durable. Just shows you how wrong +*I* can be. + +Mike, N4PDY",6 +" + It seems radio reports were overly optimistic. All Clinton wants to +cut is $2.5 Billion for community block grants, keeping in summer jobs. + + Hmmm, well, looks like we need to keep up the pressure on our +congresspersons.",18 +"OK, here's something for all of those people who think cops are always +more responsible then the rest of the population. I found this article in the +Rocky Mountain Collegian, Colorado State University's newspaper. + + SUSPENDED POLICE OFFICER ARRESTED IN REVENGE TRIPLE HOMICIDE + +PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) -- A police officer afraid he would be fired for +allegedly assaulting a teen-ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth +worked, said ""You're going to die"" and fatally shot him and two others, police +said. + +A fourth youth was wounded. A fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car. + +The wounded youth ran about two blocks to a house after the shooting at about +midnight Tuesday and called police. He was hospitalized in satisfactory +condition Wednesday. + +Suspended police officer Robert Sabetta, 23, of Cranston, was arrested at +gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at Wilson's Auto Enterprises in +Foster, a rural town of about 4,000 people in northwest Rhode Island. + + Well, this just goes to show that cops are capable of snapping, just +like everyone else. Now who was it who said only cops should have guns?",16 +" +Gulp. + +[Disclaimer: This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of +Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy, +or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.] + ",14 +"Right on the heels of the Clinton ""registered encryption key"" debacle comes: + + + + + +Wonder how much of that extra money goes into coming up with +encryption schemes they can easily crack?",11 +"* The Keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated $5M +in playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket-holders (!), plus +Paramount chief Stan Jaffe's chip against the Flyers over l'Affaire +Lindros last autumn. Add to this that Neilsen might return as an +assistant coach [Gerald, what'd I say earlier today??], and Roger +conferred with Jaffe on the hiring. This hiring by Jaffe went over +the head of MSG, Inc. (Par. subsidiary) head Bob Gutkowski and over +the head and the protests of Pres./GM Neil Smith. + +* MSG is making the announcement on Saturday to get back at the +Islanders for making the playoffs (i.e., steal the press). + +* Flyers owner Ed Snyder is livid and beside himself over this. + +* Keenan will make up to $900,000/yr. + +* Gary Bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at +Gil Stein's admission into the Hall of Fame. + +* New crease colours, rather than blue? + +* The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year. + +gld",10 +": Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation +: who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. +: Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin +: to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! + +I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I +throw around the $1 billion figure for that ""reward."" I suggest that +you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. + +This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which +should be one of NASA's primary goals. + +-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office + kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368",14 +"What's the deal? c.s.h. has nothing on it yet. Is it in OT, is it over, +what? I want to know! We all want to know! Where's Roger when you need +him?!?!?!?! :-) + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 +" + +On of the attributes of being sacred in this case is that they +should not be spoken of in a ""common manner"" or ""trampled under +feet"" such as the Lords name is today. The ceremonies are +performed in the temple because the temple has been set aside +as being as sacred/holy/uncommon place. We believe that the +ceremonies can only be interpreted correctly when they +are viewed with the right spirit- which in this case is in the +temple. So from our point of view, when they are brought +out into the public, they are being trampled under feet, +because of misinterpretations and mocking, and it is therefore +offensive to us. + +Please do not assume that because of my use of the words +'we' and 'our' that I'm an official spokesman for the LDS +church. I am merely stating what I believe is the general +feeling among us. Others feel free to disagree. +",15 +" +Joystick A: +1 +5 VDC +2 Button 1 +3 X Axis +4 Ground +5 Ground +6 Y Axis +7 Button 2 +8 + 5 VDC +Joystick B: +9 +5 VDC +10 Button 1 +11 X Axis +12 Ground +13 Y axis +14 Button 2 +15 +5 VDC + +--- + . SLMR 2.1 . Soft judges make hardened criminals. + ",12 +" +Clemens is going on his normal four days' rest (last pitched Saturday). +Hesketh only pitched one inning yesterday afternoon, his first outing +since an aborted 1-1/3 inning start 6 days before, so he should be plenty +rested to go in his expected turn this Saturday, as the 5th starter. Not +that this is a good thing, of course. I'd like to see a well-managed +four-man rotation with this team... + +--- +Glenn Waugaman +Digital Equipment Corporation +Littleton, MA +g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com",9 +"... + + +One of the items in the group folder (typically called Norton Desktop Applications) +is labelled ""Norton Desktop Uninstall"". Need I say more! +",2 +"My point is that you set up your views as the only way to believe. Saying +that all eveil in this world is caused by atheism is ridiculous and +counterproductive to dialogue in this newsgroups. I see in your posts a +spirit of condemnation of the atheists in this newsgroup bacause they don' +t believe exactly as you do. If you're here to try to convert the atheists +here, you're failing miserably. Who wants to be in position of constantly +defending themselves agaist insulting attacks, like you seem to like to do?! +I'm sorry you're so blind that you didn't get the messgae in the quote, +everyone else has seemed to.",0 +" +As a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the +""innovations"" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return +to the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans. + +I spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in +the Catholic Church and I found it very meaningful. Our Lutheran parish just +instituted the ""Tenebrae"" service for Good Friday and I was the lector for +a paraphrased Passion which was exceptional. I heard and learned things +that I have previously overlooked in the Gospels - yet those ""facts"" were +always there. As a matter of interest, the pastor and I were talking about +the differences between the RC and Lutheran Church during Holy Week over +breakfast Easter Sunday. + +My wife is the member of the liturgy committee in the family (called music +and worship at our church). Our pastor does have control of this committee +but listens very carefully to the committee's suggestions. It needs a strong +hand to lead and guide, to keep the intent and the message clear and strong +as it should be through Lent and the rest of the liturgical year. Additional +reason for my leaving the Catholic faith - lack of any selfless spiritual +guidance by priests in my parishes. AKA ""wishy-washy"". + +As you may gather from my comments, I feel that it is very important, ir- +regardless of denominational guidelines, to have a service/Mass which promotes +the true reason that we are gathered there. I am quite comfortable in a +traditional Mass, with receiving Holy Communion on the tongue, the Sacrament +of PENANCE (not Reconciliation), Stations of the Cross, so on and so forth. +The reason other types of Masses and parishes exist is because these feelings +are not shared by everyone. + +I want more people to attend church and to find the Lord, but I don't want +them attending a show. It's not. My church works hard to have a meaningful +service during Lent on Wednesdays, but follow traditional Lutheran Book of +Worship guidelines. Where things are changed or omitted during Lent (such +as the Hymn of Praise) it is noted so that we are aware of the reasons that it +is Not there. + +Quite frankly, it is very hard for a non-Catholic to go to a Mass and ""fit in"". +My dear wife never could (former Methodist). And Holy Week Masses and Vigils +would intimidate the daylights out of a non-Catholic. Those Catholics who +have beared with me this far understand what I mean. + +Please keep in mind why we are there - to gather together in worship. Not +to worry about how something is done or not done. If there is something +wrong that you feel needs addressing, by all means talk to your priest or +pastor. I have only ever met one who wouldn't listen. They are there to +provide spiritual guidance and to help. Use them. My differences with +the Catholic Church are much more fundamental - but my decision to change +faiths was done with prayer, intervention, and sessions with priests and +ministers. + +In Christ, +Kershner +-- +Kershner Wyatt +kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com",15 +"As quoted from <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: + + +Kind of sounds like Plessy v. Ferguson, huh? Of course as in that case, +things change, huh? + +No, if your little fantasy comes to pass, the country will have gone +TOWARD the KKK. You're of course being a little disengenuous. Violent +solutions are never passe FOR THE GOVERNMENT and CRIMINALS (who frequently) +cannot be distinguished). + +""Avoid situations which encourage criminals""? You mean don't be a woman? +Don't be Black? Don't be gay? I'm quite certain that having a surfeit of +unarmed victims will discourage your beloved KKK from engaging in ""violent +solutions"".... + +",16 +" + +As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this-> +aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a +sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia? + +The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is +not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you +can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about +it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. + +(Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) ) + +GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world +where a person can complain without getting shot at. + +People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody +did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things: + +1) What have they done right? +2) How much worse can it get? + +And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky. + +So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on. +But let's not overreact! + + +",11 +" +: I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of +: the world if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group +: of the population. + +I've been thinking about this every now and then since I cut my ties +with Christianity. It is surprising to note that a large majority of +people, at least in Finland, seem to be apatheists - even though +90 % of the population are members of the Lutheran Church of Finland, +religious people are actually a minority. + +Could it be possible that many people believe in god ""just in case""? +It seems people do not want to seek the truth; they fall prey to Pascal's +Wager or other poor arguments. A small minority of those who do believe +reads the Bible regularly. The majority doesn't care - it believes, +but doesn't know what or how. + +People don't usually allow their beliefs to change their lifestyle, +they only want to keep the virtual gate open. A Christian would say +that they are not ""born in the Spirit"", but this does not disturb them. +Religion is not something to think about. + +I'm afraid a society with a true atheist majority is an impossible +dream. Religions have a strong appeal to people, nevertheless - +a promise of life after death is something humans eagerly listen to. +Coupled with threats of eternal torture and the idea that our +morality is under constant scrutiny of some cosmic cop, too many +people take the poison with a smile. Or just pretend to swallow +(and unconsciously hope god wouldn't notice ;-) ) + +: Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a +: higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The +: typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the +: same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the +: other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn +: somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, +: than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it +: expresses its own selfishness. + +If logic and reason are valued, then I would claim that atheistic thinking +is of higher value than the theistic exposition. Theists make unnecessary +assumptions they believe in - I've yet to see good reasons to believe +in gods, or to take a leap of faith at all. A revelation would do. + +However, why do we value logic and reasoning? This questions bears +some resemblance to a long-disputed problem in science: why mathematics +works? Strong deep structuralists, like Atkins, have proposed that +perhaps, after all, everything _is_ mathematics. + +Is usefulness any criterion? + +Petri +",0 +"Tom Barrasso wore a great mask, one time, last season. He unveiled it +at a game in Boston. + +It was all black, with Pgh city scenes on it. The ""Golden Triangle"" +(Pgh's downtown area where the 3 rivers meet) graced the top, along +with a steel mill on one side and the Civic Arena (I think) on the +other. On the back of the helmet was the old Pens' logo (the really +fat little penguin with the blue scarf) the current (at the time) Pens +logo, and a space for the ""new"" (now current) logo. + +Tommy had designed the mask, and his mother (an artist) painted it +for him. + +But while wearing the mask, the Pens got thumped by the Bruins. The +very next game, Tommy was back to the old paint job. A great mask +done in by a goalie's superstition.",10 +"I recently decided to try using emm386.exe for a memory manager and when I +tried to print to my printer in lpt1 from word55 I wouldn't work. It would +send the linefeeds for the top margin and then the printer READY light would +go off and stop working. I disabled emm386.exe and the problem went away. +I would like to continue using emm386.exe if possible. I would greatly +appreciate any comments or suggestions!! please send them to arthur@u.washingt,",3 +"Hi, someone is selling his bmw R65 ( I think it's an '84 ) w/ 15k +miles for $2200. He says it's in great condition and perfect shape. +It's got the 2 hard saddle bags, too. + +Is this a good deal? Seems like an awesome deal. Is it - assuming that +everything he says is true ? + +Thanks, + +Jae +",8 +"Showing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of +game that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock? +Gimme a break! Where does ESPN get these BRILLIANT decisions from?",10 +" +First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing +policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission? + +Second, this isn't a problem of economics. This is a problem of +the incremental accumulation of police-state powers by our government. + +How, exactly, do you put a price on the loss of freedom of a society? +Maybe use the dollars/life lost calculations for the extra people +killed by the gov. The pain and suffering cases for those tortured. +The dollars/life lost caused by the inevitable collapse of the economy, +and all the secondary effects of diseases, diet, etc. Plus, the +inevitable collapse of the economy as the gov controls it, becomes +corrupt, etc. + +Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go +do useful work for the society. + +lew",11 +"DH>>Does anyone out their have a mountain tape backup that I could compare +DH>>notes with, (jumper settings, software, ect...) +DH>>or does anyone know where I could contact the makers of this drive ? + +DH>You can contact Mountain Network Solutions at: +DH>800-458-0300 (general number) +DH>408-438-7897 (tech support) +DH>408-438-2665 (bbs) + +Thanks very much for the info David ! +Especially for their tech and BBS lines. +This should get me going... + +Bye ! +___ + X SLMR 2.1a X It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a",3 +"it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers. +the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and +repaint the pipes black. any recommendations for paint and application +of said paint? + +thanks!",8 +,15 +"I believe it goes or will go: +680060 +powerPC +Pentium +680040 +486 +680030 +386 +680020 +286=680000 + +In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was + slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed + for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie + quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. + Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system + at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the + speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think + it laps the pentium. + +pro-life pro-women + +",4 +" + +[Andi's posting deleted...] + +Hamaza's only comment is: + + +Andi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know +you're on the wrong track. +",17 +"********************************************************************** + + 2ND CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS + + NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR + + Tuesday, June 22, 1993 + + Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center + (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) + + Bethesda, Maryland + +********************************************************************** + +SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a +one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. +The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for +Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, +research, developments, and applications. + +PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of +Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All +current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy +organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are +available. + + 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length + 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length + 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not + attend the seminar) + 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) + +Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, +however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for +seminar attendees. + +ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: + + Robert Lipman + Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division + Code 2042 + Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 + + VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 + E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil + +Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, +addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author +papers should designate one point of contact. + +********************************************************************** +DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. +Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. +Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. +********************************************************************** + +For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. + +********************************************************************** + + PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. + +********************************************************************** + + +Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil +David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil +Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 + Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 +Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs",1 +" +: >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk, +: >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. +: But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically +: on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ? + +Some say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result of +the coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris. In either case, +the property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years. + + +: It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not +: provide us automatically with our needs, + +Oh? When did She *stop*? Mother Nature has been automatically providing +us with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze. It +is not ""produced"": it produces itself, year after year. Last night, for +example, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in an +earlier time, one of them would have been dinner. + +: There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to +: _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it. +: The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced +: it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages +: arrange their affairs. + +The American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and often +freely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food and +clothing for weapons or services. The Native Hawaiians, like their +Polynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and shared +many things with the other Islanders. In fact, ""hi'ipoi"", the Hawaiian +word for ""cherish"" means ""sharing food"". The Great Mahele, in which +the Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich and +the poor, was a white man's idea. In Africa, villagers will often +share tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own village +and neighboring villages. Every anthropologist who has ever been to +Africa has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so- +called ""theft"" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which, +until the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding. + +These are the people we call ""savages"". + +On the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year. + +Dov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it would +behoove you to study *all* of the facts. +",18 +" +Is this being done with the motherboard's SCSI interface? If this is possible +then a bit of experimenting with just plain old clock oscillators may be +in order. Give us some more details please.",4 +" +Animal Rights people have been know to do that to other +""Bike riding dogs.cats and Racoons. +",8 +"I wanted to know if any of you out there can recommend a good +book about graphics, still and animated, and in VGA/SVGA. + +Thanks in advance +",1 +"Great, the first advantage of cheap coax, I've ever heard. + +Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) +",12 +" +",9 +"frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ... + +While I'll agree that these are generally held to be ""good things"", I +question whether they come very close to being objective values. +Especially considering that at one time or another each has been +viewed as being undesirable. I doubt you could even come up with +anything that could be said to be universally ""good"" or ""bad"". + +And when I referred to ""the truth"" I was using the term +hypothetically, realizing full well that there may not even be such a +thing. + + +True enough. But they cannot be said to be anything more than +personal morals. One thing notably lacking in most extremists is any +sense of _personal_ accountability - the justification for any +socially unacceptable behaviour is invariably some ""higher authority"" +(aka, absolute moral truth). + + +An objective truth that says one cannot know the objective truth? +Interesting notion. :-) + +Certainly one can have as one's morals a belief that compromise is +good. But to compromise on the absolute truth is not something most +people do very successfully. I suppose one could hold compromise as +being an absolute moral, but then what happens when someone else +insists on no compromise? How do you compromise on compromising? + + +Almost invariably when considering the relative value of one thing +over another, be it morals or consequences, people only consider those +aspects which justify a desired action or belief. In justifying a +commitement to peace I might argue that it lets people live long & +healthy and peaceful lives. While that much may well be true, it is +incomplete in ignoring the benefits of war - killing off the most +agressive member of society, trimming down the population, stimulating +production. The equation is always more complex than presented. +To characterize relative morals as merely following one's own +conscience / desires is to unduly simplify it. +",0 +" + +I recall reading in the recently revised edition of the ""Yeast Connection"" +that there is indeed work by researchers to do this. Of course, they are +working on the theory that candida overbloom with penetration into mucus +membrane tissue with associated ""mild"" inflammatory response can and does +occur in a large number of people. If you reject this ""yeast hypothesis"", +then I'd guess you'd view this research as one more wasteful and quixotic +endeavor. Stay tuned. + +Jon Noring + +-- + +Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.",13 +"briefly, since i'm off to sleep. + +mle's work pretty well for AA nd AAA players. + +players who are 22 and younger will tend to have explosions + in their numbers, whether mMLE's or not, in the next 2 years... + +players who are 26 and OLDER, at those levels, generally have + inflated MLE's. + +they're about as reliable as having major league stats for a player.",9 +" +oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :)",8 +"... + + You can tell, folks, when the man has run out of reason: + attack the man's beliefs (in legal terminology, argument + ad hominem: attack the man, not what he did that has yet to + be proven illegal)> + + + + WRONGo. Remember the fire movie a couple of years ago? + ""Backdraft""? The scene in the factory with propane gas + coming out of pipes and gasoline all over the floor, + with a 750 degree flame front overhead? + + Note that it did not flash all at once? + + Fires ignite and burn unpredictably. + Gases (like tear gas) mix and distribute unevenly. + And flash unevenly. + + You are not a fire analyst. You cannnot tell. + (NB: Neither am I. And I cannot tell + Nor is the FBI spokesman + Nor is Reno + Maybe we all should shut up and get a + forensics analysis first. + + + Yes,. there was a flash: in one room, just pumped full of it., +",19 +" + +Here are some contacts for generic CD-ROM drivers: + Optical Access International + 800 West Cummings Park, Suite 2050 + Woburn MA 01801 + (617) 937-3910 + (617) 937-3950 fax + AppleLink: OAI + FWB, Inc. + 2040 Polk Street, Suite 215 + San Francisco, CA 94109 + (415) 474-8055 + (415) 775-2125 fax + AppleLink: FWB + Optical Media International + 180 Knowles Drive + Los Gatos, CA 95030 + (408) 376-3511 + (408) 376-3519 fax + AppleLink: OMI + Trantor Systems (for Intel architecture machines) + 5415 Randall Place + Fremont, CA 94538 + (415) 770-1400 + AppleLink: TRANTOR + Software Architects (not verified) + 11812 North Creek Parkway N. + Suite 202 + Bothell, WA 98011 + AppleLink: SOFTARCH.DEV + +To send a message to someone on AppleLink, use the form + address@applelink.apple.com +where ""address"" is replaced by the appropriate applelink address.",4 +" +I'd like to point out that I was in error - ""Terminator"" began posting only +six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email +from him. + +I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992, +and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992. + +I guess it only seemed like years. + +Back to your regularly scheduled flame fest. +",16 +" +window, MotionNotify, &Return)) + ; + XmScaleGetValue(scaleImage,&value); + /*map value to file entry in directory and finally obtain file name to open*/ + + +However, when I move the pointer in the scale widget I get callbacks, with of co + urse +a null effect as my MB1 is not pressed to move the scale button. So what is goin + g wrong? +Or is the a wrong approach to this problem? +Any hints are highly appreciated.",5 +,11 +"Yes! what you are saying is absolutey true, but what you fail to mention is the +fact that the LCIII uses the new 72 pin simms which allow 32 bit access to +each simm. In the case of the LC III, it only has one simm slot, but accesses will +be 32 bits wides. +*************************************************************************** + The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. +[BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] +*************************************************************************** + +",4 +" +I've read estimates that Pol Pot killed somewhere in the neighborhood +of 2 million. + +Drew ",16 +,2 +"Hello , I think you are probaly right, in spite of the movement +it is getting better each day. cheers",13 +"[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...] + + +last i heard, ""non-lethal"" was a bit of a misnomer for these things. + +jason +",16 +" + + You're right, I bailed out in Diff Eq. Nevertheless, I would + suggest to YOU that there is a difference between a ""proposed BILL, + stalled in Congress"" and a ""executive order, crammed down OUR + THROATS"". Do you disagree? + + + + Went to the Post Office on Friday, got my passport apps in.",18 +" + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +Ocean Reconnaissance Launch Surprises West +Space News, April 5-11, 1993, p.2 +[Excerpts] + Russia launched its first ocean reconnaissance satellite in 26 months +March 30, confounding Western analysts who had proclaimed the program dead. + The Itar-TASS news agency announced the launch of Cosmos 2238 from +Plesetsk Cosmodrome, but provided little description of the payload's mission. + However, based on the satellite's trajectory, Western observers +identified it as a military spacecraft designed to monitor electronic +emissions from foreign naval ships in order to track their movement. + Geoff Perry of the Kettering Group in England... [said] Western +observers had concluded that no more would be launched. But days after the +last [such] satellite re-entered the Earth's atmosphere, Cosmos 2238 was +launched. + +""Cosmos-2238"" Satellite Launched for Defense Ministry +Moscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian 1238 GMT 30 March 1993 +Translated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27 +by ITAR-TASS correspondent Veronika Romanenkova + Moscow, 30 March -- The Cosmos-2238 satellite was launched at 1600 Moscow +time today from the Baykonur by a ""Tsiklon-M"" carrier rocket. An ITAR-TASS +correspondent was told at the press center of Russia's space-military forces +that the satellite was launched in the interests of the Russian Defense +Ministry. ",14 +"Second week of January (prime ski season at one of the largest Poconos ski +areas). Just north of Allentown. +Condo sleeps 6-8 depending on how friendly you all are. Has hot tub, +deck. Easy access to parking lot and shuttle to slopes (condo is a few +miles from the slopes). + +Cost: $6000 OBRO, price based on what we paid for it (used, also) and +current market. +[RICHR]",6 +"- Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? +- +- Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. +- I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The + + [story deleted] + +- be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still +- trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a +- letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. +- + +The people in charge already know what kind of 'care' they are +providing, and they don't give a rat's ass about your repeat business. + +You are much more likely to do some good writing to local newspapers, +and broadcast news shows. If you do, keep the letter short and to the point +so they don't discard it out of hand, and emphasize exactly what you +are upset about. + +It's possible that the local health department can help you complain to +someone official, but really, that 'clinic' exists for the sole purpose +of generating walk-in income through advertising, and *nothing* you can do +will change them -- all you can hope for is to help someone else avoid them. + +I'm glad it sounds like your son did ok, anyway.",13 +" +I'm sure it is, and I am not amused. Every time I read that part of the +TIFF spec, it infuriates me- and I'm none too happy about the +complexity of the spec anyway- because I think their ""arbitrary but +carefully chosen number"" is neither. Additionally, I find their +choice of 4 bytes to begin a file with meaningless of themselves- why +not just use the letters ""TIFF""? + +(And no, I don't think they should have bothered to support both word +orders either- and I've found that many TIFF readers actually +don't.)",1 +"I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The +hardware is ""truecolor"" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit +static color visual. I would really like to have the server just +present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be +acceptable to ""most"" X clients. The three problems I see are: + + 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. + 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. + 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the + translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. + +Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these +limitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff +floating around blithely accept what they're given? I could write +the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits, +but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary. + +I know there are no absolutes, but I'd appreciate hearing people's +opinions and suggestions. Thanks! +",5 +"Hi, I'm just getting into PoVRay and I was wondering if there is a graphic +package that outputs .POV files. Any help would be appreciated. +Thanks. + +Later'ish +Craig +",1 +"/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) / 9:07 am Apr 14, 1993 / +Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are +always much higher than elsewhere in the state. + +GC +---------- +Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton, +Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the +classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a +number of out-of-town papers. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division, +350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 ",8 +"Afraid I can't give any more info on this.. and hoping someone in greter +NETLAND has some details. + +A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention +about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just +managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. + +the article was very vague and unclear. and, to make matters worse, I +didn't clip it. + +does this jog anyone's memory? +",14 +" +The French Canadian rule was an extremely short term feature when the +universal draft was instituted in the sixties and only lasted for a +few years...and really didn't have any substantial effect during that +period. The Canadiens Stanley Cup achievements were earned on a +level playing field.",10 +" + +This is posted on behalf of Peter Tattam. There is a North American +mirror with the beta test version of WinTrumpet for Winsock. Please +contact me or Peter for details. + +Ashok",2 +" +It's not the fact that it can't exist that bothers me. It's +the fact that you don't seem to be able to define it. + +If I wanted to hear about indefinable things that might in +principle exist as long as you don't think about them too +carefully, I could ask a religious person, now couldn't I?",0 +"Is clear coat really worth it? Yes, on the showroom floor, the cars +have this deep, lustrous shine that just can't be found on paint jobs +that aren't clear coated. On the other hand, it seems that every clear +coated car that I've seen on the road (in a parking lot, etc.) has +fine scratches throughout the paint job. As does, alas, my 1992 Laser. + +Several weeks ago I had my car professionally polished and waxed. +When I picked it up, it had that same showroom shine that I remember +from a year ago when I bought it. Several days ago I took my car +to the dealership for some work. As an added bonus, they washed my +car. Unfortunately, whoever washed it either didn't get the roof +(which is black, the rest of the car is red) completely clean before +he dried it, or he used a dirty towel. Now my showroom shine is a +haze of fine scratches that aren't really visible until the light +hits the roof at a particular angle. + +I am, to put it mildy, somewhat peeved about this. Do I have any +chance of getting the dealership to do something about this? +My guess is 'no'. Is there any product on the market that provides +a solution to this problem? Or am I faced with the prospect of +having the car professionally polished again to hide the scratches? +Information, commiseration, and sympathy all greatly appreciated . . .",7 +"To my fellow Columbian, I must ask, why do you say that I engage +in fantasies? Arafat is a terrorist, who happens to have + a lot of pull among Palestinians. Can we ignore the two facts? +I doubt it.",17 +"The following press release was distributed April 1 by +NASA Headquarters. + +Space Station Redesign Advisory Members Named + +Along with Dr. Charles M. Vest, recently named by Vice President +Albert Gore to head the advisory committee on the redesign of the +Space Station, NASA has announced the names of representatives +from government and industry and academic experts from across the +country to participate in an independent review of the redesign +options being developed by NASA. + +""I am extremely honored to have been selected to lead this +important review panel. America's future in science and +technology and as a world leader in space demands our utmost +attention and care,"" said Vest. ""We have assembled a diverse +panel of experts that, I believe, will bring the appropriate +measures of insight, integrity and objectivity to this critical +task."" + +The advisory committee is charged with independently assessing +various redesign options of the space station presented by NASA's +redesign team, and proposing recommendations to improve +efficiency and effectiveness of the space station program. Space +station international partners also are being asked to +participate and will be named at a later date. The advisory +committee will submit its recommendations in June. + +Advisory committee members named today include: + +Dr. Charles Vest Dr. Bobby Alford +President, MIT Executive VP & Dean of Medicine + Baylor College of Medicine + +Mr. Jay Chabrow Dr. Paul Chu +President, JMR Associates Director, Texas Center for + Superconductivity + University of Houston + +Dr. Ed Crawley Dr. John Fabian +Prof of Aero & Astro President & CEO +MIT ANSER + +Maj. Gen. James Fain Dr. Edward Fort +Deputy Chief of Staff for Chancellor +Requirements; Headquarters North Carolina AT&T +USAF Materials Command State University + +Dr. Mary Good Mr. Frederick Hauck +Senior VP of Technology President, International Technical +Allied Signal, Inc. Underwriters + +Dr. Lou Lanzerotti Mr. William Lilly +Chair, Space Sciences National Academy of Public +Board, National Research Administration +Council + +Mr. Duane McRuer Dr. Brad Parkinson +President Systems Technology Prof of Astro & Aero + Stanford University + +Dr. Robert Seamans Dr. Lee Silver +Former NASA Deputy Admin. W.M. Keck Foundation Professor + for Resource Geology + California Institute of + Technology",14 +" + + Cannot? Try, will not. + +--- + + ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that + say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more + virile men."" + + Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) + April 4, 1993",0 +" +Please, PAY ATTENTION. +I, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST +HANDGUN HOMICIDES. In terms of how likely are you to be killed, +(regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a +higher homicide rate. Period. You are more likely to be killed in the +UK than in Switzerland. If you were to be murdered with a handgun, +then yes, Switzerland has a higher rate. But, to belabor the point, +you are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the +weapon is irrelevant. The UK is more violent, period. + +Al +[standard disclaimer]",16 +"I have a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet Series II Paper Tray for sale. +Its letter size (8.5 - 11), brand new in the box and never used. +I'm asking $40.00 (bought new at Ballard Computer for $65.95)",6 +"hi folks +i have 2 hd first is an seagate 130mb +the second a cdc 340mb (with a future domain no ram) +i'd like to change my 2 controller ide & scsi and buy +a new one with ram (at least 1mb) that could controll +all of them +any companies? +how many $? +and is it possible via hw or via sw select how divide +the ram cache for 2 hd? (for example using dos that is +about all on one hd i'd like to reserve ram cache just to it)",3 +"I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn +way of doing business and service was a *very* big plus. I hadn't bought a new +car since I bought my Honda 4WD back in '85, and I was unbelieveably offended by +most salespeople I met. + +Saturn was indeed very different. I made three different visits to the dealer where +I bought my car, and was never pressured. Saturn also had the best after-sales +support, and the fixed pricing made it *very* easy for me to decide exactly what +I wanted to buy. Another big selling point was running into my mechanic at the +dealer. He's been fixing imports for 20 years...and bought a Saturn, based on +what he's seen and heard from his customers. + +Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles, +fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or +so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more +like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any +warranty work, without counting against the refund.",7 +" + + +Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900. + + +A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever, +much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8"" in a fine Randy +Mamola impression. ;{> + + +I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give +a few liter bike riders fits in the future. + + +The steering locks are adjustable. + + +Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black +leather.",8 +" +Question: +If a team uses 40 players in a season do you merely divide the total +/- +by 40? If so, a player who plays in only 1 game is considered equally +valuable as a player who plays in all of them. + + +Since the standard deviation for each team is different, I am unsure how +""transferable"" between teams that these stats are. Shouldn't the average +standard deviation in the league be used? + +I am interested in seeing each method. +But I still think that mine is the best. If for no other reason than familiarity.",10 +" +Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six. +it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and +ABS, with four wheel disk breaks. The LH cars won Automobile +magazines +""automobile of the year"" award, and are quiet impressive. + +",7 +"THE WHITE HOUSE + + + Office of the Press Secretary + + +For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 + + + + STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY + + + + The President will travel to Pittsburgh on Saturday, April +17 to talk about his job creation plan and its impact on the +state of Pennsylvania, where it would create as many as 3,818 +full time jobs and up to 21,240 summer jobs. He will make a +public address at Pittsburgh International Airport at 9:30 am. + + The President will leave Washington early Saturday morning +and return that afternoon. A White House press charter will +depart Andrews Air Force Base at 7:30. Filing facilities will be +available in Pittsburgh.",18 +" + + > I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and + > had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced + > the stock airbox. Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at + > about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear. This is especially frustrating + > on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens + > to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear. I've had it ""tuned"" and this doesn't + > seem to help. I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system + > from a GPz 1100. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides + > restoring it to stock? + > Starr@kuhub.ukans.cc.edu the brain dead."" -Ted Nugent + +It sound like to me that your carbs are not jetted properly. +If you did it yourself, take it to a shop and get it done right. +If a shop did it, get your money back, and go to another shop. +-- ",8 +"I've been offerred an old 4-bits/pixel greyscale Xterminal. Aside from the +""real people have already upgraded to RISC architecture R5 servers"", do I want +this Xterminal? + +I'm concerned about the 4-planes...I've only ever heard of 1 (mono) and 8 +(colour) planes -- will I have any concerns with this 4-plane unit? +[Specifically related to 4-planes vs 1 or 8] + +Thanks! +-C-",5 +"To: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca + +JW> 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how +JW> to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files? + +JW> 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board +JW> so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256 +JW> 800x600x256 + +JW> 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question? + +Here are some that I have that are very good: + + Graphics File Formats, Kay and Levine, ISBN 0-8306-3059-7 + Supercharged Bitmapped Graphics, Rimmer, ISBN 0-8306-3788-5 + Programmer's Guide to the EGA and VGA Cards, Ferraro, + ISBN 0-201-57025-4 (has a whole chapter on Paradise SVGA) + +Dave",1 +" +much crap deleted + + +DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the +Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in +baseball at 8-1 + +MY PREDICTION FOR 1993: +Jim Fregosi will win manager of the year in the NL",9 +Quoting pla@sktb.demon.co.uk in article <8AOHOnj024n@sktb.demon.co.uk>:,11 +" +All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my +Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed +the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the +Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected +a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes +saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" +even though there was no cartridge in the drive.",4 +" +It does give privacy, just not absolute privacy. The announcement was very +up front about this, and about allowing wiretaps. How is this ""fooling"" +anyone? + + +Sure. The two don't interoperate. You couldn't talk to, say, a Cylink phone +from a Clipper phone. I would expect even multiprotocal phones to come with +indicators saying which kind of link encryption is in use... + + +So start a company and build them. This is still mostly a capitalist +economy... + + +I agree. Go for it. +",11 +" + +Homosexual Christians have indeed ""checked out"" these verses. Some of +them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations. +Others simply do not address the issues. + +You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course +in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that +you stop ""proof-texting"" about things you know nothing about.",15 +"Hello all! + +For few past days I've been fighting to get My NEC Multisync 3D +(predecessor of 3FG) to work properly with the internal video of Mac +IIvi. + +With a VGA-adapter (as described in Dale Adams' posting about Quadra +video) it works, only some minor interferences occur, small enough not +to prevent any action on screen to be visible & clear. + +But because the scanrates & stuff of 3D are well enough for emulating +Apple 13"" RGB, I first made an adapter, then got one fron the local +distributor of NEC. +With both adapters I can get a picure, which looks excellent most of +the time or every now and then. +But with radical changes on screen (opening palettes, large windows +etc.) there are major interferences in sync. The picture either tilts +sideways or scrables up totally. Even when it is clear, there are some +""spiky"" interferences on horizontal line alignment when accessing +pull-downs etc. +With the self-made adapter, almost identical to the VGA one, only +sense pins differ, it is sometimes impossible to even boot up with a +picture clear enough to shut down from menu... +With the adapter from NEC, everything is well most of the time, but +sometimes the picture tilts badly sideways or the sync is completely +lost. But not nearly as often as with the self-made one. + +I know, with self made adapters there can always be interference, but +with the one provided by NEC... where's the source of this interference? + +I'll give you the pinouts of the whole mess, and I hope that you can, +at least someone (please try =) figure out what could be the best pin +assignment for NEC 3D. +I am going to make a completely new cable with maximum shieldings and +isolations, as soon as someone figures out how the pins should be +arranged, especially syncs and groundings. + +Yes, I have checked that the monitor is not defective, it works +perfectly well with all PC graphic adapters up to 1024x768 pixels and +also Atari 71Hz monochrome, which I am using now with it. + +Here are the pinouts & stuff: + +15 pin mini D-sub (NEC 3D) 15 pin D-sub (Mac, at least Quadra) + +1 Red Video 1 Red GND +2 Green Video 2 Red Video +3 Blue Video 3 Composite Sync +4 GND 4 Sense 0 +5 GND 5 Green Video +6 Red GND 6 Green GND +7 Green GND 7 Sense 1 +8 Blue GND 8 NC +9 NC 9 Blue Video +10 GND 10 Sense 2 +11 GND 11 C.Sync & V.Sync GND +12 NC 12 V.Sync +13 H.Sync 13 Blue GND +14 V.Sync 14 H.Sync GND +15 NC 15 H.Sync +SHELL GND SHELL GND + + + +Connection suggested by Apple for VGA/SVGA, sense pins changed to +emulate Apple 13"" with Multisync (my self-made adapter) + +Multisync (15pin mini D-sub) Mac (15pin D-sub) + + 1 ---------------------- 2 + 2 ---------------------- 5 + 3 ---------------------- 9 + 6 ---------------------- 1 + 7 ---------------------- 6 + 8 ---------------------- 13 + 10 ---------------------- 14 + 13 ---------------------- 15 + 14 ---------------------- 12 + 4 (sense0) grounded to 11 (sync GND) + + +Connection measured from an adapter to make NEC 3FG/4FG +emulate Apple 13"" (adapter provided by NEC representative) + + NEC (15 mini) Mac (15) + + 1 ----------------------- 2 + 2 ----------------------- 5 + 3 ----------------------- 9 + 4 ----------------------- SHELL GND, 1, 4, 6, 13 + 5 ----------------------- same as above + 6 ----------------------- same... + 7 ----------------------- same... + 8 ----------------------- same... + 10 ----------------------- same... + 11 ----------------------- same... + 13 ----------------------- 3 + 14 * Not Connected! * + + +Well, I am waiting for your solutions... + +And thanks! +",4 +"Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program + started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology + and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the + chips is well underway, and so forth. + + Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose + to go ahead with it. + +Perhaps the NSA realised that *no-one* would even contemplate falling for +the dual-escrow bluff while under the Bush administration and *had* to +wait for a Democrat govt to con into promoting this because people *might* +just believe they were honest. (Didn't work, did it? :-) )",11 +"Seagate 1.2GB SCSI hard Drive +Brand NEW with full factory warranty. +5-1/4"" FH, 15ms access time, 150,000 MTBF +Only $1100+s/h.",6 +" + + +500,000 to 1,000,000 self-defense incidents a YEAR doesn't count with you? + + +Maybe they're just UNLUCKY. If a rapist pulls a woman into an alley +in Boston, chances are almost certain that she won't be counted +as one of those self-defenders because our local constabulary didn't +consider it important that she be allowed to arm herself. Even though +the shotgun she owns at home makes her show up in the ""gun owner"" column. + + +Ironic words for somebody who lives in Florida. The ""average threat +level"" in Florida has been REDUCED by a liberal CCW policy. It's well +known that your local thugs like to target tourists precisely because +they are less likely to be carrying than your natives. Come on up to +Boston, or NYC, or Washington DC, and see how much diddlysquat the +""average threat level in the country"" means to a resident there. + + +Sometimes this works. Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors +on the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys. Someone here once +told a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix. I've misplaced the +original text, but the story started with one resident calling the +cops on a gang member. Sure enough, a few nights later, there was a +drive-by performed at the resident's house. Except that this time, +unlike in LA, the entire street came out and returned fire, putting +an end to the car's occupants. The gang packed up and left. + +Of course, in LA, or in a place like Florida after the hurricane, +your first problem is to FIND an officer to step up to and tell +anything. + + +Look, nobody is arguing this. I have a fire extinguisher at home. +That doesn't mean I can be careless about tossing my burnt matches +on the carpet. I live carefully, monitor the woodstove, get my flue +cleaned twice a year, and test my smoke alarms annually. But if -- +DESPITE all this -- a fire does start, it's too late for any of +these things EXCEPT the extinguisher. + + +You seem to be agreeing with your opponent. You can't trust your +government to protect you from abusers and violators -- white-collar, +blue-collar, epauletted, or tank-shirted. Ultimately, no one has the +power to enforce your ""rights"" but you. Unless you've given up that +power. + + +Too many people fit that category, that is true. Some of us like to +believe that they are uninterested in the facts behind the case for gun +ownership because they've been conditioned to believe that there AREN'T +any. You seem content to underestimate the electorate; I'm willing to +try to raise their consciousness. + + +I think we can. + +HCI was founded in what, 1980? In the mid-80's, they ran a ""One +Million Strong!"" campaign for two years before reaching this goal. +My understanding is that they ""reached"" it by the stratagem of including +wide classes of people other than dues-paying members. (I can't speak +authoritatively on this -- maybe somebody else has details.) Then they +started running a ""Two Million Strong!"" campaign for a while -- but they +let it slip into unannounced obscurity when it became clear that they +simply were never going to reach that level of membership. + +In 1964, just after the commencement of the Dodd Hearings -- the starting +point of the modern gun-control movement, the NRA had a mere 625,000 members. +By 1968, barely after the first murmurs of future registration, it had +about a million. Today, it has over three million members, making it the +third largest membership organization in the country (next to AARP and AAA). +And its membership is GROWING FASTER than at any previous time. (Historical +figures from Kukla's ""Gun Control,"" pp. 61 and 420.) + +As you say, many of the people in the middle of this debate are bemused +by their T-bones and MTV. That leaves hard-core gun-owners against +hard-core gun banners. + +I know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members. +I've never heard of a single one who has gone the other way. + +Yes, I think we can and will win this one. + + +I think they would be used far less to hammer nails, as well, but, +like you, I can't give any citation showing that this utilization is +CURRENTLY significant at more than an anecdotal level. If you can, +I'm waiting. +-- ",16 +" +Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got +out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep. +It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals. +Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru +London with one leg held aloft.",8 +" + + Tennessee, at least, does not require any sort of safety class to +get a driver's license. All that is required is one twenty question +quiz and to drive a car around the block without crashing. + + + In all probability, no you don't. You are required to be licensed +to drive on public roads. A license is not necessary on private property. + + + Most states do not require the registration of cars that are +not used on public roads. Those that do (California I know of) do +so for tax purposes more than anything else. + + + Many states do not currently require this, and most, again, +only make this requirement for public roads. A car sitting unused +is not required to have insurance. + + + The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are +significant difference between making rules for *use on public property* +and *making rules for ownership*. + + The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this +have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and +have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are +never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for +a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York, +Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun +owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the +numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that +intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of +the next person who comes down the pike with a ""reasonable"" suggestion +they've already seen abused. + + + +",16 +,12 +"How does one print to a non-appletalk printer using DMM LaserWriter Stuff. + +I'm using the Serial driverand does nothig. I'vetried saving a postscriptfile and then tried sending with SendPS2.0 and it says can'topen LaserWriter Driver, +then some appletalk messagethatprinter not specified. I'm using and imagewritwrite one cable. Should I use a null-modem adapter? Help... + +---Lowell",4 +"Several people have enquired about the availability of the book about the +Great 72"" reflector built at Birr Castle, Ireland in 1845 which remained the +largest in the world until the the start of the 20th century. + +""The Astronomy of Birr Castle"" was written by Patrick Moore who now sits on +the committee which is going to restore the telescope. (The remains are on +public display all year round - the massive support walls, the 60 foot long +tube, and other bits and pieces). This book is the definitivie history of +how one man, the Third Earl of Rosse, pulled off the most impressive +technical achievement, perhaps ever, in the history of the telescope, and +the discoveries made with the instrument. + +Patrick Moore is donating all proceeds from the book's sale to help restore +the telescope. Astronomy Ireland is making the book available world wide by +mail order. It's a fascinating read and by ordering a copy you bring the day +when we can all look through it once again that little bit nearer. + +=====ORDERING INFORMATION===== +""The Astronomy of Birr Castle"" Dr. Patrick Moore, xii, 90pp, 208mm x 145mm. +Price: +U.S.: US$4.95 + US$2.95 post & packing (add $3.50 airmail) +U.K. (pounds sterling): 3.50 + 1.50 post & packing +EUROPE (pounds sterling): 3.50 + 2.00 post and packing +REST OF WORLD: as per U.S. but funds payable in US$ only. + +PAYMENT: +Make all payments to ""Astronomy Ireland"". +CREDIT CARD: MASTERCARD/VISA/EUROCARD/ACCESS accepted by email or snail +mail: give card number, name & address, expiration date, and total amount. +Payments otherwise must be by money order or bank draft. +Send to our permanent address: P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. + +You can also subscribe to ""Astronomy & Space"" at the same time. See below: +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: + Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. +6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). +ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address).",14 +"Sorry guys for this long article, but in fact it is mostly quotings.. + + + +well, if you just waited for 5 more lines you would have read my statement +""Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but ..."" + + +because they belong to the human race, or do you disagree on that too ? + + +I donot know about you, but it makes full sense to me. +Israelis are being killed because Israel is occupying , Let israel withdraw +and israeli blood will be saved. It isNOT the palestineans who undermined +the right of life of israelis, but it is israel which occupied and exposed +the life of its citizens to the the unconcluded war of 1967 ! + +More generally, the violence in the occupied terretories is part of the intifada, +and i had previously posted a ""long"" article about this issue, whom i finished +by an open question: +Suppose the Intifada stops, What is the motive for Israel to withdraw ? +donot tell hope for peace and this bullshit. Everybody in the world looks +and hopes for peace, so why isnot there any. hope of peace is necessary +but not sufficient motive. + + + +As for the Arabian countries, their problems are an Arabian concern. +the Arabian people can deal with it themselves, if the west doesnot intervene. +As for Serbs, I donot think that those FUCKED UP RAPISTS (excuse my language +but it really hurts as much if I was in Bosnia itself) areNOT humans. Those +surely came from outer space or something. No human can allow himself +to see such attrocities than to participate in. + + +Ok. + + +My definition is the same as yours, but one has to look into the world politics. +In politics, a ""solution"" doesNOT imply ""JUST solution"". + + +It seems that it was problem in the definition of ""solution"". +I think a solution must be just, because otherwise it would never be lasting. +However, when politicians say a solution, they donot mean a just solution but +just a solution. + +",17 +":I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that +:such analysis should be left to ""regulators."" In fact, the ""re-inventing +:government"" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the +:analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more +:about it. + + + +Okay, let me try to explain this. + +When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President, +one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover +all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one's influence is highly diluted. +I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations, +the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation, +combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference, would +make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision +with respect to specific regulations. +:Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is +:not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and +:licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent +:tasks. + +I'm not sure what you mean by ""feasible"" in this case. Do you mean that +[] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in +fact? + + +:Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as +:generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. + +2 of the four you saw fit to mention, and education of minors is always +another possibility, since minors are generally considered not to be +responsible to make their own decisions as adults are. + +:(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to +:be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending +:that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) + +You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence +of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt +with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to +the state are the coersive ones. + +:Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries +:frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" +:mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds +:that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. + +Much more likely it's drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more +likely +to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. In the unlikely +event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly: +The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered +""defense"" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is +so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously +dispute this? + + + I don't want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring +under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably +intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions. +I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be +ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don't expect you to agree +with me, but you explain why you feel I'm wrong? +",18 +"( Below is my response to Dr. Denning's letter to Steven Bellovin. Comments + are invited. - Paul ) + +In alt.privacy.clipper, Steve Bellovin posted your message to +him, which included a brief passage concerning selection of agencies +as escrow agencies. + +I am glad to see that the proposal as written states that the escrow +agencies won't be law enforcement agencies. I would argue, however, +that *one* of the escrow agencies shouldn't be federal at all. + +As a private citizen, I would feel much more ""secure in my person and +papers"" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil +liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of +my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure +by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or +overtly controlled by the government. + +Of those federal and federally funded candidate agencies that you +mentioned, I have the following comments: + + - SRI, Rand, Mitre, and national labs: I agree that they have + great experience safeguarding sensitive information. I am not + convinced that they would adequately safeguard _this_ + information, since in any case requiring disclosure, there's + likely to be sigificant pressure for disclosure- possibly + *wrongful* disclosure. + + - GAO: perhaps. I would like to see more concrete evidence of + their fidelity and ability. + + - *TREASURY*? Surely you're joking. Perhaps you'd ask BATF + to safeguard keys. Maybe the Federal Reserve would be a + better choice. + +Ever since last fall's ""trial balloon"" was posted in sci.crypt, your +name has been synonymous with those who place a great deal of trust in +the ability of government agencies and agents to act within the law. + +I agree with you in part: those agencies and agents *almost always* +act properly. However, there have been enough cases where _sworn +agents of the Federal Government_ have acted wrongly to make me feel +that having two federal agencies as key repositories is unacceptable. + + +Respectfully, +-Paul Robichaux + (not speaking for NTI, BCSS, or NASA) + +",11 +"From article , by rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese): + +#>NAMBLA's presence in the SF Gay Pride Parade says quite a bit. +#>It says that either the parade organizers want to show support +#>for NAMBLA, or they themselves have a fundamental misunderstanding +#>of their rights and responsibilities. I would really, really like +#>to believe the latter, but I would need some help to do so. + + +Perhaps, though the exclusion of the Gay Perotistas in the +SF Gay Pride Parade would make me think that they had some +clue in this regard. Dozens of examples? I don't know...",18 +" +Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the +GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on +the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am +a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of +nicknames for the frequent posters here!",0 +"So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire +on their house, killing most of the people inside. + +I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what +they were doing, and it's their own actions. + +What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, +including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful +conditions. + +If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud +that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. + +You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare +the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. + +I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity +knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think +the actions today would produce a good picture of your +religion? + + +Kent +",19 +"The following is quoted from the tail end of a (rather condescending) +article about Paxton Quigley, that appeared in US Snooze and World Lies, +(sorry... i think it was in the wall street journal...) +and was repeated in the Colorado (people's) Daily, a student newspaper +at the University of Colorado at Boulder. + +""A study of residential gunsot deaths in King County, Wash., found that +a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, +spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder. Studies by the +Western Psychiatric Institute, in Pittsburgh, found that the mere presence +of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member +will commit suicide, even in the absence of psychiatric illness."" + +I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific +refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to +email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of +the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as +well. + +Thanx... + +--Dan + +-- + DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu + Send me something even YOU can't read... +-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- +Version: 2.1",16 +" + I think this is mostly the fault of the people who write up the +literature and price lists being confused themselves. Since there are +two possible processor configurations and one of the them doesn't have +an FPU it does seem to be an option, even though it really isn't. + + + Well, then allow me to end your confusion. The C650 ONLY come with +an LC040 in the base 4/80 configuration. If you are not getting this +configuration then you are getting an FPU. + + + Good question. I have been wondering that since Feb. 10th. + + + This is possible, but an option is something that you are supposed +to be able to request when you want it. What Apple has done is given the +buyer a CHOICE between configurations and not an OPTION. + + + This is not unclear at all. In fact Apple has included in the ROMs +of those machines with LC040s code to recognize the presence of the full +040's FPU and use it. Thereby making the upgrade as easy as switching +chips. You pop the LC040 out and pop in a full '040. + + + They did? I think I would double-check this. It has been stated +countless times in this newsgroup by two of the Centris hardware +designers that the LC040 and the full '040 are pin compatible and that +the C610 can be upgraded to a full '040.",4 +" +",3 +" + Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think + all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams + before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had + expected. + + COBRA + +",10 +"try finding a friend that has caller id, then give him a call... + +jb + + + + Path: shearson.com!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!nic.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!umaecs!alee + From: alee@ecs.umass.edu + Newsgroups: sci.electronics + Date: 18 Apr 93 15:04:10 GMT + Lines: 13 + + + Greetings! + + Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't + know the number of the line. And I don't want + to call up the operator to place a trace on it. + + Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can + use to find out the number to the line? + Thanks for any response. + Al + + +--",12 +"I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the +dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened. + +He said, ""Somebody stole m' damn dog!"". They left the Harley behind. + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------",8 +" +What about the ELSA WINNER4000 (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, EISA), or the +Metheus Premier-4VL (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, ISA/VL) ? + + +As it just happens, SGCS has a Xserver (X386 1.4) that does +1024x768x24 on those cards. Please email to info@sgcs.com for more +details. + +- Thomas +--",1 +" +If babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible +ever say so. It never comes right and says ""Only people that know +right from wrong or who are taught can be baptised."" + What Christ did say was : + + ""I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without + being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I + tell you you must ALL be begotten from above."" + +Could this be because everyone is born with original sin? + +",15 +"G'day all, + +Can anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/ +display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA +and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage +approaches and minimalist documentation :-) + +Part of the problem is that I want to look at large (5MB+) HDF files and +crop out a section. Ideally I would like a hdftoppm type of utility, from +which I can then use the PBMplus stuff quite merrily. I can convert the cropped +part into another format for viewing/animation. + +Otherwise, can someone please explain how to set up the NCSA Visualisation S/W +for HDF (3.2.r5 or 3.3beta) and do the above cropping/etc. This is for +Suns with SunOS 4.1.2. + +Any help GREATLY appreciated. Ta muchly ! + +Cheers, + Markus + +-- +Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility +email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au +Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. +[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]",1 +" + + +[chop] + +Could you please post it to the net too please, as I, and I'm sure many others +would like to know. Thanks! +Kev. +",4 +"Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much +we wanted the $1, wouldn't it? +-Ekr +",19 +"Sure I'll give you 10 bucks for all of them +",12 +" +There's only one physical size for VRAM SIMMs (unlike DRAM SIMMs which +come in many, many sizes and pinouts), although they do come with +differing amounts of VRAM on them. The ones you need are 256KB SIMMs, are +organized as 128K x 16, and have two 128K x 8 VRAM chips on them. This is +the only size which the Quadra and Centris machines can use. + + +Two. + + +Both SIMM slots must be filled; putting a SIMM in only one slot does +nothing for you. + + +80 ns for the Q800 and C650, 100 ns for the C610. + + +There are certain VRAM chip manufacturers whose parts are not compatible +with the Quadra and Centris video hardware. Make sure that the source you +get them from guarantees compatiblity. In general, if it works in a Q950, +it will work in a Q800. + + +Trust me. ;-)",4 +" +This is a lovely area for anecdotes, but I am sure you are on to something. +As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous +is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. +When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual. + +This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on +pediatrics. I never had younger siblings myself, and when I went on the +pediatric wards I suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious +challenges that my body was not ready for. Pediatrics for me was three solid +months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam! + +I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly +exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later +on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, +so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. I don't think it is that +the immune system is hyped up in any way. Also, don't forget that the +hospital flora is very different from the home, and we carry a lot of that +around.",13 +" + +Why don't you call the City and ask? Oak Park also has an illegal handgun +ban as well, but does allow those with a ""collectors FFL"" to possess +(""collectible?"") handguns. + + +Probably a fine in practical terms. + + +It wouldn't impede your defense at all. There was an actual incident +in Oak Park where a gas station owner engaged in a shootout with a +handgun; the grand jury decided not to presecute. On the other hand, +a black man used an illegally owned handgun in Oak Park to defend +himself, and the Village tried to make an example out of him. An NRA +Director who lived there made a stink about this, and it was decided +not to charge the guy. Of course, pissing off anti-gun police thugs +has it's own drawbacks, like when the Oak Park Police Chief came to his +house, and told him: ""this is stepping over the line; this could get +dangerous for you."" Whereupon the few black Oak Park police officers +watched over his house to ensure that the white anti-gun police chief +and his anti-gun cronies wouldn't f*ck with him, his home or family. + + +L.V. Cipriani states that the ""Any other weapon"" category is allowed, +but the exact relationship between an Ithaca Auto-burgular, which I +believe is in the ""Any other weapon"" category and a chopped barrel +H&K HK-94 (Class 3 for sure) is not clear to me... + + +In your dreams, buddy. As long as Democrats reign in Chicago, Illinois +residents will always be disarmed and helpless in the streets. Politicians +get around this by provisions in the law that allow them to carry +concealed weapons. Voters in Chicago are too stupid to vote these a**holes +out of office; because the Dems are always in power, the Illinois +Supreme Court is always tilted to the Democratic Party's views on guns. +[All candidates supported by political consultant David Axelrod are +anti-gun, which explains anti-RKBA Crook County States Attorney +Jack(ass) O'Malley being a so-called ""Republican.""]",16 +"I am sorry to once again bother those of you on this newsgroup. +If you have any suggestions as to where I might find out about the subject +of this letter (the origin of Morphine, ie. who first isolsted it, and why +he/she attempted such an experiment). Once agian any suggestion would be +appreciated. + CSH +p.s. My instructer insists that I get 4 rescources from this newsgroup, so +please send me and info you think may be helpful. Facts that you know, +but don't know what book they're from are ok. +ATTENTION: If you do NOT like seeing letters such as this one on your +newsgroup direct all complaints to my instructor at + + +-- + ""Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach +the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."" + Sir George Head, OBE (JC)",13 +": Indeed, if NSA really designed the algorithm to be secure, it's very likely +: as secure as IDEA or 2-key DES. However, the system as a whole isn't resistant +: to ""practical cryptanalysis."" In _The Puzzle Palace_, Bamford describes how +: several NSA employees were turned by foreign (presumably KGB) agents, despite +: security measures that I doubt any Big 8 accounting firm could match. And +: NSA confidential data was *not* subject to being requested by thousands of +: police organizations and courts across the land. + +Ah yes, don't anyone mention Ronald William Pelton[*], heh heh heh. How +embarrassing.",11 +"jayson stark (i trhink that's him) fits perfectly in this category. + +anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll + have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. + +if, at the end of april, he has 11, and anyone writes ""at this + pace, he'll have 100+ homers!"" they shouldbe shot too.",9 +" + + I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average +access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM +drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models.",4 +" + +F A Q ! + +Reference: +Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system, + comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.answers,news.answers +Subject: Introductory Macintosh frequently asked questions (FAQ)",4 +" +Great. This site is a complete shadow of the Signetics BBS 8051 directory. + +Thanks Brian, +-- +Mont Pierce",12 +" +Uh oh. This looks a bit too much like Bobby's ""Atheism Is False"" stuff. Are +we really going to have to go through this again? Maybe the universe is +cyclical! :) :( + + + + + +",0 +" +As a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer +the circuit with the contacts. The noise you hear is due to the momentary +opening and closing of the path. + +The noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit. In high +impedance audio circuits a resistive ""T"" is constructed close to characteristic +impedance of the circuit. Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers +the audio. + +In low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are +shorted out or grounded. Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic +impedance. + +Sometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used +to momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time. + +Telephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to ""Make before +break and Vica Versa"" but I haven't seen any of these for years. + +Nowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc. + +A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive ""optical isolator"".. It consists +of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is +off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers +passing the audio. Once again this device in a ""T"" switches the audio. Varying +the lamp resistance give a remote volume control. Use 2 variable resisters and +you have a mixer! + +Lots of luck! +-- +73, Tom +================================================================================ +Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia +(604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle +Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 ",12 +" +I don't know where you live, but I couldn't get out of my driveway +at night without reverse lights. As someone said, out in the country +you notice neat little things like stars and the difference between +day and night. At night around my house (which is amongst a forest of +rather tall oaks) it is DARK, except for nights with full moons. +Reverse lights illuminate my path very well when backing up; I greatly +prefer cars with them to cars without operational reverse lights. + + James",7 +"Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all AL players with at +least 10 at bats. + +It is early in the season so there are some very high numbers. Last years +leader was Frank Thomas at 0.682. + +Teams are denoted by an * as the first character of the name and each +player has his team preceeding his name. + +The equations used are found at the end of the post. + +Comments and suggestions are welcome. + +Kevin + +League OPI: 0.448 +League BA: 0.268 +League SLG: 0.405 +League OBA: 0.341 + +Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA +----------------------------------------------------- +1 Tor,carter 2.142 0.583 1.417 0.615 +2 Cle,baerga 1.432 0.520 1.040 0.538 +3 Det,phillips 1.334 0.565 0.609 0.655 +4 Oak,mcgwire 1.147 0.364 0.636 0.632 +5 Tor,white 1.065 0.500 0.650 0.545 +6 Bal,anderson 0.951 0.423 0.692 0.500 +7 NYY,owen 0.934 0.500 0.577 0.567 +8 Oak,rhenderson 0.911 0.391 0.565 0.533 +9 Mil,thon 0.804 0.476 0.619 0.476 +10 Oak,browne 0.800 0.476 0.476 0.522 +11 Tex,palmer 0.781 0.333 0.875 0.333 +11 Det,gibson 0.781 0.312 0.562 0.500 +13 Cle,howard 0.755 0.455 0.727 0.455 +14 NYY,tartabull 0.742 0.296 0.667 0.424 +15 Tex,rodriguez 0.736 0.429 0.500 0.529 +15 Tex,gonzalez 0.736 0.261 0.913 0.292 +17 Bos,zupcic 0.728 0.400 0.500 0.455 +18 Sea,felder 0.723 0.357 0.429 0.471 +19 Oak,blankenship 0.722 0.333 0.333 0.524 +20 Min,puckett 0.717 0.280 0.720 0.379 +21 NYY,oneill 0.710 0.435 0.609 0.458 +22 Cle,belle 0.703 0.348 0.696 0.375 +23 Sea,buhner 0.699 0.294 0.471 0.478 +24 Mil,hamilton 0.682 0.458 0.458 0.500 +25 Det,whitaker 0.680 0.312 0.500 0.421 +26 Det,fielder 0.666 0.273 0.591 0.407 +27 Tor,sprague 0.649 0.300 0.750 0.300 +28 Whi,cora 0.646 0.350 0.500 0.458 +29 Whi,raines 0.641 0.250 0.750 0.308 +30 NYY,kelly 0.625 0.348 0.565 0.375 +31 Bos,quintana 0.617 0.455 0.455 0.455 +32 Sea,tmartinez 0.612 0.211 0.632 0.348 +32 Cal,gonzales 0.612 0.250 0.250 0.478 +34 Whi,burks 0.609 0.348 0.565 0.375 +35 Cal,snow 0.602 0.368 0.526 0.400 +36 Whi,karkovice 0.598 0.167 0.417 0.412 +37 *Cleveland 0.595 0.340 0.549 0.377 +38 Cle,sorrento 0.594 0.273 0.727 0.273 +39 Sea,amaral 0.587 0.368 0.579 0.429 +39 Bos,cooper 0.587 0.375 0.458 0.423 +41 Min,winfield 0.578 0.292 0.667 0.292 +42 Cal,curtis 0.571 0.333 0.381 0.417 +43 Bos,mvaughn 0.566 0.316 0.526 0.350 +44 Oak,steinbach 0.556 0.333 0.542 0.385 +45 *Oakland 0.555 0.298 0.439 0.406 +46 NYY,maas 0.547 0.333 0.389 0.429 +47 Kan,joyner 0.546 0.300 0.400 0.417 +48 Min,knoblauch 0.535 0.304 0.348 0.448 +49 Bos,greenwell 0.534 0.261 0.478 0.370 +50 Oak,brosius 0.532 0.273 0.545 0.333 +51 Tor,olerud 0.530 0.333 0.400 0.412 +52 Bal,mercedes 0.529 0.286 0.429 0.412 +53 *NYYankees 0.527 0.321 0.468 0.377 +54 Bal,hoiles 0.525 0.263 0.526 0.333 +55 Mil,kmak 0.523 0.286 0.286 0.412 +56 Oak,dhenderson 0.517 0.231 0.462 0.412 +57 Cle,lofton 0.515 0.346 0.385 0.370 +58 Min,larkin 0.514 0.357 0.500 0.400 +59 Bos,dawson 0.504 0.333 0.458 0.360 +60 Cle,camartinez 0.503 0.333 0.389 0.400 +61 Det,gladden 0.498 0.312 0.500 0.312 +62 Cal,polonia 0.494 0.292 0.500 0.320 +63 *California 0.487 0.295 0.404 0.364 +64 *Detroit 0.484 0.260 0.410 0.357 +65 Det,tettleton 0.475 0.211 0.421 0.348 +66 Cal,disarcina 0.473 0.304 0.478 0.304 +67 Cal,easley 0.472 0.304 0.435 0.333 +68 Bal,baines 0.470 0.300 0.400 0.364 +69 Tex,franco 0.469 0.300 0.350 0.391 +70 Whi,ljohnson 0.464 0.280 0.400 0.333 +71 Sea,vizquel 0.463 0.222 0.222 0.417 +72 NYY,bwilliams 0.461 0.294 0.471 0.314 +73 Mil,gvaughn 0.460 0.222 0.389 0.391 +74 Min,hrbek 0.458 0.240 0.360 0.367 +75 Bal,cripken 0.451 0.333 0.407 0.379 +75 *Seattle 0.451 0.237 0.367 0.361 +77 Cal,salmon 0.448 0.267 0.267 0.450 +78 Kan,mcreynolds 0.447 0.182 0.500 0.280 +79 *Toronto 0.443 0.261 0.430 0.318 +79 *Texas 0.443 0.237 0.489 0.289 +81 Min,pagliarulo 0.439 0.286 0.429 0.333 +82 *WhiteSox 0.432 0.243 0.378 0.336 +83 Kan,hiatt 0.431 0.278 0.500 0.316 +84 Whi,guillen 0.426 0.263 0.263 0.364 +85 Whi,thomas 0.419 0.259 0.333 0.355 +86 Kan,mcrae 0.414 0.296 0.333 0.345 +87 *Boston 0.411 0.270 0.365 0.336 +88 Cle,hill 0.410 0.300 0.500 0.300 +89 NYY,mattingly 0.400 0.324 0.353 0.343 +90 *Baltimore 0.394 0.251 0.361 0.315 +91 Bal,gomez 0.382 0.316 0.316 0.350 +91 *Minnesota 0.382 0.237 0.379 0.298 +93 Whi,fisk 0.381 0.273 0.545 0.273 +94 Cle,jefferson 0.379 0.263 0.316 0.333 +95 Oak,neel 0.370 0.188 0.500 0.188 +96 Cal,cdavis 0.369 0.211 0.421 0.250 +97 Bos,fletcher 0.364 0.217 0.391 0.280 +98 *Milwaukee 0.361 0.257 0.293 0.333 +99 Det,livingstone 0.360 0.250 0.438 0.294 +100 Tor,ralomar 0.354 0.263 0.316 0.333 +101 *KansasCity 0.343 0.236 0.327 0.291 +102 Oak,bordick 0.339 0.200 0.250 0.304 +103 Tex,canseco 0.337 0.190 0.381 0.261 +104 Sea,valle 0.336 0.250 0.312 0.294 +105 Bal,devereaux 0.329 0.207 0.379 0.233 +106 Kan,lind 0.323 0.188 0.438 0.188 +107 Mil,surhoff 0.312 0.227 0.273 0.292 +107 Kan,brett 0.312 0.259 0.296 0.286 +109 Whi,bell 0.310 0.207 0.310 0.258 +110 Cle,salomar 0.306 0.200 0.200 0.304 +111 Mil,jaha 0.304 0.267 0.267 0.353 +111 Det,fryman 0.304 0.185 0.296 0.214 +113 NYY,boggs 0.296 0.200 0.233 0.294 +114 Tex,bripken 0.290 0.250 0.333 0.308 +115 Min,mack 0.289 0.233 0.333 0.258 +116 Min,harper 0.288 0.280 0.280 0.280 +117 Cle,fermin 0.284 0.200 0.200 0.304 +118 Bos,rivera 0.276 0.118 0.176 0.286 +119 Mil,spiers 0.275 0.231 0.231 0.286 +120 Mil,yount 0.268 0.208 0.208 0.269 +121 Tor,schofield 0.265 0.133 0.267 0.235 +121 Tex,hulse 0.265 0.154 0.308 0.214 +123 Sea,griffey 0.261 0.105 0.263 0.261 +124 Sea,obrien 0.259 0.100 0.100 0.308 +124 Kan,macfarlane 0.259 0.273 0.273 0.333 +126 Oak,sierra 0.256 0.200 0.240 0.231 +127 Kan,jose 0.254 0.167 0.167 0.286 +128 Bos,hatcher 0.252 0.188 0.188 0.278 +129 Sea,blowers 0.251 0.200 0.200 0.273 +130 Whi,ventura 0.247 0.167 0.167 0.310 +130 Tex,palmeiro 0.247 0.130 0.261 0.167 +132 Bal,reynolds 0.227 0.118 0.118 0.250 +133 Kan,mayne 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 +133 Cal,myers 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 +135 NYY,nokes 0.219 0.150 0.300 0.150 +136 Bos,calderon 0.209 0.167 0.167 0.286 +137 Bos,pena 0.207 0.267 0.267 0.267 +138 Tor,molitor 0.194 0.150 0.200 0.190 +139 Det,deer 0.182 0.125 0.167 0.192 +140 Det,cuyler 0.179 0.077 0.154 0.143 +141 Tor,borders 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 +142 Whi,grebeck 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 +143 Bal,gdavis 0.137 0.111 0.148 0.143 +144 Tex,dascenzo 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 +145 Min,leius 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 +145 Mil,reimer 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 +147 Tor,djackson 0.114 0.133 0.133 0.133 +148 Tex,gill 0.070 0.059 0.059 0.158 +149 Kan,gagne 0.042 0.095 0.095 0.095 + + 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) +OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- + AB - H + +BA = H / AB + +SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB + +OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB)",9 +"I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness +in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the +injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got +his joints a little stiff? + +Thanks for the help...",9 +" +On the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80's the ""electronic"" +odometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven +by pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle. These pulses are +converted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer. +No way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage +reading. It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to +change as any other mechanical odometer. + +On the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor +and run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple +switch will do the job. It also will disable the speed limiter, +which will enable the car to reach it's full speed. ;-) + +",7 +"Can anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications +BESIDES I.C.C.M.? + +I've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it +but nobody SHOWS you how. O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples, +Asente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at, +if they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and +then refer you to the ICCM. I did find one example of how to use Atoms and +Properties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had +my applications talking to each other. + +I am not sure, however, if thats the best way. I'd like to stay independent +of Unix so pipes and/or sockets probably aren't the way to go. But within X +one can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups. + +I need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best +for which purpose, and gives examples. Without examples it's all just words. + +Thanks in advance",5 +"In <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) + + + + + + +How do we measure truth, beauty, goodness, love, friendship, trust, honesty, +etc.? If things have no basis in objective fact then aren't we limited in what +we know to be true? Can't we say that we can examples or instances of reason, +but cannot measure reason, or is that semantics? + +MAC +-- +**************************************************************** + Michael A. Cobb + ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois + class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana + -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu",0 +" +Mr. Meritt, please state explicitly the inductive argument which leads +you to conclude Mr. Tice thinks it ""OK"" to take biblical quotes out of +context in some other t.r.m. articles. + +Also, please explain why you rely on inductive reasoning (with its +implicit uncertainty) in determining Mr. Tice's opinions when the man +is himself clearly available for questioning. + +Finally, please indicate whether you agree (yes or no) with the +following statement:",19 +"The following is posted for a friend. You can send replies to this email +address or call him at 503-752-1499. (Glen) + + I have a CITIZEN OVERTURE 110 Laser printer for sale. It is in +excellent condition. It has been used less than one year on this drum. +I am asking $500, but all offers will be considered. Below are some +specs on it. + +Toner lifespan: 2500 pages +Drum lifespan: 15,000 pages +Resolution: 300 DPI +Memory: 512K +Emulation: Epson FX286 + IBM ProPrinter + Diablo 635 +Printing Capacity: Quad-density graphics +Tray capacity: 250 sheets + +Reason for sale: Financial--I need to pay tuition. + +Thanks, + +-Glen Anderson",6 +"What do I need to do to configure this drive as a slave? +Model# CP30101G + +Please reply via e-mail. Thanks!!",3 +"Anybody use CD Speedway out there? Is it as good as they say? I hate +waiting around for my CD to finish loading the next level in WC and the +such. + +How much memory does it eat up? +",3 +"Hey all: + +I just moved to NYC and wondered if there are any electronics hackers +out there who could point me to places in NYC that sell individual +electronic components (switches, pots, transformers, caps, +transistors, etc.) ""Radio Shack"" doesn't count (they have almost no +selection, and their prices are outrageous!) + +I have particular interest in audio components (amplifier IC's, power +MOSFETS, output transformers, tubes and tube sockets, pan pots, +faders, etc.) + +I have checked out a lot of 48th street and Canal street so far with +no luck. Am I missing places, looking in the wrong place, or do I +have to resort to mail order?",12 +"massacre. + +Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760",17 +" +If I understand your problem correctly, you want to have a way to send +exposures to your manager widget when your app-specific code draws xlib +graphics on the window. + +It sounds like you might want to send an exposure using +XSendEvent and specifying a region. If you know the region you need to +send the exposure, generally you have the bounding rectangle of the objects, +you can use XCreateRegion to create a region, XUnionRectWithRegion to add the +new object polygons to the region, and then either use the region +to clip your GC for the redraw or use XRectInRegion to test which of your +other objects need to be redrawn. Keeping in mind that the stacking order +of overlapping objects affects how they look. + +Hope it helps + +-- +Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at +dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing +!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan",5 +"Howdy! I'm just posting this for a friend so don't reply to me! + + I have a friend who has some 1x9 SIMMS for sale, 8MB for $250 or 4MB for +125$. He also has a Conner 170MB hard drive for $250. It runs at 14ms. His name +is John and he can be reached at his BBS called Classified Connection at +(614)575-1345, he is the Sysop, and you can call him and hear his awesome voice +at (614)577-9673. + Adios +",6 +" + That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the +SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, +vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, +drums rear. + + Your argument still boils down to ""An SHO shouldn't be driven +fast because I, Jim Frost, say it isn't designed to go fast."" + + Pffffftttttt. + + + Damn straight. You're one of those people who makes stuff +up and tries to pawn it off as God's own truth. If I want lies I can +go listen to television.",7 +" +What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm +about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i +upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead? +",3 +"I've got an rgb Mistubishi monitor and on the back it has 5 +BNC connectors labeled like this: + + composite + HD VD + + + + + + + sync red green blue + + I've used it as a straight RGB monsitor but i can't figure out +how to use it for composite. Could someone explain what these markings +mean? Thanks for any help. + + tom",12 +"I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know +who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's +of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your +vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu + + Thanks for your time. +",10 +"I'm looking for a database called ""Micro World Data Bank II"", a database +with digital map information containing 178,068 latitude, longitude points. +It is said to be in the public domain. If anyone knows a place where I can +get it (preferably FTP/gopher/mailserver etc.; otherwise snail mail) please +let me know. I you have it yourself and are willing to send me the file, +drop me a line. + +I'll be using it with a program called VERSAMAP by Charles H. Culberson. +If anyone knows of another detailed database that can be used with this +program (preferably PD), I would be very interested. + +Replies by e-mail please, directly to me, I don't read this group regularly. +If there's interest I'll post a summary, of course.",1 +" +Yea, it turned out that Gramm-Rudman was a sham to fool the voters +into accepting the borrow-and-spend policies of the last 12 years. + + + + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +Anyone can expand the economy by chargeing $3 trillion on their credit +cards. Big deal. Deficit spending only expands the economy in the short +term. In the long term it shrinks the economy for numerous reasons. I would +have MUCH preferred that the taxpayers had that $3 trillion instead. + + + + +If Reagan had kept his campaign PROMISE to balance the budget by 1983, +there would have been no need for Bush or Clinton to raise taxes. And +all Reagan had to do was balance that puny Carter deficit. + +Chew on that awhile. +",18 +" + +'SDPA.ORG' criminals/Nazis in action. Your fascist government got away with +the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying +the fruits of that genocide. And your criminal organization will not get away +with the genocide's cover-up. In June 1915, a major uprising took place in +Sebinkarahisar under the leadership of the famous Nazi Boyadjian. The Moslem +districts were burnt down. Hundreds of soldiers and gendarmerie were killed +and hundreds of civilians also perished. + + Armenians first of all occupied the Talori region, which included + the villages of Siner, Simai, Gulli-Guzat, Ahi, Hedenk, Sinank, + Ekind, Effard, Musson, Etek, Akcesser. Leaving their wives, + children and property in these inaccessible spots, the Armenians + joined forces with other armed bands coming from the Silvan + districts in the plain of Mus, after which the whole body of + 3000 men gathered in the Andok Mt. Five or six hundred wished + to surround Mus, and started off by attacking the Delican tribe to + the south of the city. They slaughtered a number of the tribe and + seized their goods. The religious beliefs of the Muslims who fell + into their hands were derided and disparaged, and the Muslims + themselves murdered in the most frightful manner. The rebels + also attacked the regular troops in the vicinity of Mus, but the + large numbers of the regular forces prevented them from + occupying the city. + + The rebels joined the bandits in the Andok Mts., carrying out + the most frightful massacres and looting among the tribes of the + neighbourhood. They burned Omer Agha's nephew alive. They + raped a number of Turkish women at a spot three or four hours' + distance from Gulli-Guzat and then strangled them. + + At the beginning of August the rebels attacked the Faninar, + Bekiran and Badikan tribes, perpetrating equally horrible + atrocities. The rebels in the villages of Yermut and Ealigernuk in + the nahiye of Cinan in the kaza of Cal attacked the Kurds in the + neighbourhood, as well as the villages of Kaisser and Catcat. + + Towards the end of August, the Armenians attacked the + Kurds in the vicinity of Mus and burned down three or four + villages, including Gulli-Guzat. As for the 3000 rebels in Talori, + they continued to spread death and destruction among the + Muslims and other Christian communities, refusing to lay down + their arms. + +Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History. Documentary Publications +(Istanbul), 1988. + +p. 954. + +""In his speech given at the Sivas Congress, Mustafa Kemal once again drew + a picture of the country under occupation: + + In the East, the Armenians are making preparations for advancing to the + River Halys (Kizilirmak), and have already started a policy of massacring + the Moslem population."" + + +pp. 966-967. + +""The situation of the southern provinces of Turkey after the signing of the + Mudros Armistice is described by Ataturk in his speech: + + The Armenians in the south, armed by foreign troops and encouraged by the + protection they enjoyed, molested the Mohammedans of their district. They + pursued a relentless policy of murder and extinction everywhere. This was + responsible for the tragic incident at Maras....the Armenians had completely + destroyed an old Mohammedan town like Maras by their artillery and + machine-gun fire. + + They killed thousands of innocent and defenceless women and children. The + Armenians were the instigators of the atrocities, which were unique in + history. + + +Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). + ""Document No: 15,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer + No: 3, File No: 520, Section No: 2024, Contents No: 11-1; 11-3. + (19 Feb 330 '4 March 1915', District Governor Kemal) + +""List of male inhabitants of Mergehu Village murdered or annihilated + with the utmost savagery by Armenians: + + Names Method of Annihilation + ----- ---------------------- +Haci Ibrahim, son of Abdi Bullets and bayonet +Abdi, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet +Reso, son of Abdi Beaten and cut into pieces +Sado, son of Omer Beaten and cut into pieces +Aso, son of Reso Beaten and cut into pieces +Kulu, son of Canko Stabbed in the eye with a bayonet +Musa, son of Canko Bayonet in his eye +Emin, son of Molla Hamit Bayonet in his eye +Molla Abdullah, son of Hamit Bayonet in his eye +Ibo, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye +Sado, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye +Abdullah, son of Canko Slaughtered +Ibo, son of Ahmet Abdomen ripped open +Ismail, son of Ibo Burnt in fire +Musto, son of Ozu Bullets +Mahmut, son of Seyyo Slaughtered +Kocak, son of Birro Bullets +Musto, son of Husnu Bullets +Uso, son of Alo Bullets +Maksut, son of Peri Bullets +Haci, son of Peri Bullets +Mehmet, son of Hasanali Bayonet +Ibo, son of Hasanali Bayonet +Abdo, son of Mehmed Bayonet +Molla Suleyman Burnt in oven +Mazgi, son of Abdullah Stabbed in abdomen by bayonet +Sulis, son of Hasan Bullets +Mahmo, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger +Murat, son of Hasan Stabbed with a dagger +Uso, son of Avci Blinded with a bayonet +Lesko, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger +Abdullah, son of Kasim Bullets +Coban Abdullah Bullets +Seymo, son of Mumin Bullets +Muammer, son of Reso Bullets +Paso, son of Merzi Bullets +Gulu, son of Bitor Bullets +Murat, son of Yusuf Bullets and bayonet +Cedo, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet +Faki Mehmet Bullets and bayonet +Silo, son of Abdulcebbar Bullets and bayonet + + + List of massacred females from the same village: + +Kasi, daughter of Huso and +wife of Haci Ibrahim Bullets +Fati, daughter of Isa, +wife of Aduz Bullets +Zeresan, daughter of Amat, +wife of Reso Bayonet +Gullu, daughter of Iyso Cutting off her breasts +Sulnu, daughter of Sulo, Ripping open her abdomen and burning +wife of Ibo her baby in oven +Fatma, daughter of Ibo Slaughtered and burnt in oven +Fidan hatun Burnt in oven +Gulfizar, daughter of Hacihan, +wife of Musto Slaughtered +Rahime, daughter of Mehmet, +wife of Halil Bullets +Binefs, daughter of Haci Kerim, +wife of Suleyman Burnt in oven +Mahiye, daughter of Ali, +wife of Sivno Slaughtered +Hati, daughter of Haci, +wife of Ahmet Slaughtered +Hacer, daughter of Meho Bullet and bayonet + + + List of Females of the same village raped and murdered: + +Nadire, daughter of Haci, wife of Suvis +Hani, daughter of Kulu, wife of Zerko +Zaliha, daughter of Telli, wife of Silo +Arap, daughter of Sami, wife of Hilo + + Wounded males and females of the same village: + + (a long list) + + List of massacred males and females at Istuci village: + +Mikail, son of Alo Bullets +Musto, son of Ismail Bullets +Dervis, son of Maksut Bullets +Ali, son of Nimet Bayonet +Esat, son of Kelo Bayonet and bullets +Isa, son of Nebi Bayonet and bullets +Cevher, son of Gani Beaten by rifle butt +Ziro, daughter of Hasan Died from injuries +Hazal, daughter of Ali, +wife of Acem Died from injuries +Hamsa, daughter of Huseyin, +wife of Huseyin Died from injuries + + + List of raped women at Istuci village in life: + +Sabo, daughter of Maho Virgin +Miri, other daughter of Maho Virgin +Emine, daughter of Meho, wife +of Sofi Salih +Sahap, daughter of Ali, wife +of Nevruz +Gullu, daughter of Mahi Virgin + + + List of persons attacked by Armenian gangs: + + (a long list)"" + +Serdar Argic",17 +"Andrew, +You can get the heat sinks at Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 part #HS157-ND +$4.10 size 1.89""L x 1.89""W x .600""H comes with clips to install it. +But if it was me I would get a $12.99 small fan from Radio Shack +and install it where it could just blow at the cpu instead...Sam",3 +" + + +Unfortunately, you seem to lack the ability to rate players. Dave +Winfield has had a better career than half the people in the Hall of +Fame. Eddie Murray and Darrel Evans are both one of the top 100 players +of all time. Lee Smith has had probably the greatest long career +of any relief pitcher since 1960, with the possible exception of Gossage. + +On the other hand, Kingman probably isn't one of the best 750 players +of all time. + +And Reardon, though a good pitcher, isn't in Smith's class career wise. + + + +We're talking 2 of the top 50 players of all time here. There probably +aren't 5 shortstops in history who were better than these two. + + +Garvey sucked. Morris, while a very good pitcher, simply doesn't +belong near Cooperstown. + + Gee, can these guys even compare to + +If Puckett and Ryan (okay, no if there) get into to the Hall, they will be +marginal Hall of Famers (unless Puckett keeps hitting like he did last year for +a while longer) + +To put this in perspective, here's a listing of the linear weights +values of the careers of the players you mention. In parenthesis +is how high they are up on the greatest ever list if they make it. +While no one would claim these are perfect rankings, they should give +you a good value of these guys' careers as compared to average players. + +Robin Yount 43.0 (41) +Ozzie Smith 42.1 (45) +Dave Winfield 40.3 (53) +Eddie Murray 37.5 (68) +Darrel Evans 35.2 (80) +Kirby Puckett 24.3 (180) +Nolan Ryan 21.6 (219) +Jack Morris 11.8 (478) +Dave Kingman 0.4 +Steve Garvey -5.8 + +To give you an idea of how these numbers compare to those in the Hall: +Of the 71 eligible players whose career stats equaled 35.0, 64 are in the Hall +of Fame. The ones who aren't include 4 19th century players, Ron Santo, Bobby +Grich, and Bob Johnson. + +Of those eligible who score between 30.0 and 34.9, 15 of 25 are in. Of +those eligible who score between 25.0 and 29.9, 24 of 44 are in. +",9 +" +There's absolutely no reason why differences in the DRAM access time +_alone_ would cause an incompatibility. There would have to be another +difference between the SIMMs for there to be a problem. I've often used +memory of different speeds with no problems whatsoever. As long as it's +as fast (or faster) than the minimum requirement you should be fine. + +Just out of curiosity, did you actually try this and see a problem, or +were you told it wouldn't work and so never tried it? Also out of +curiosity, do you know exactly who in Cupertino you dealer talked to (as +I'd like to find out what they're basing this recommendation on).",4 +" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + + Been a while since you hit the PIP? The pavement (at least until around + exit 9) is for sh*t these days. I think it must have taken a beating + this winter, because I don't remember it being this bad. It's all + breaking apart, and there are some serious potholes now. Of course + there are also the storm drains that are *in* your lane as opposed + to on the side of the road (talk about annoying cost saving measures). + + As for traffic, don't try it around 5:15 - 6:30 on weekdays (outbound, + rush hour happens inbound too) as there are many BDC's... + + <...> <...> +",8 +"I've been to three talks in the last month which might be of interest. I've +transcribed some of my notes below. Since my note taking ability is by no means +infallible, please assume that all factual errors are mine. Permission is +granted to copy this without restriction. + +Note for newbies: The Delta Clipper project is geared towards producing a +single staget to orbit, reusable launch vehicle. The DC-X vehicle is a 1/3 +scale vehicle designed to test some of the concepts invovled in SSTO. It is +currently undergoing tests. The DC-Y vehicle would be a full scale +experimental vehicle capable of reaching orbit. It has not yet been funded. + +On April 6th, Rocky Nelson of MacDonnell Douglas gave a talk entitled +""Optimizing Techniques for Advanced Space Missions"" here at the University of +Illinois. Mr Nelson's job involves using software to simulate trajectories and +determine the optimal trajectory within given requirements. Although he is +not directly involved with the Delta Clipper project, he has spent time with +them recently, using his software for their applications. He thus used +the DC-Y project for most of his examples. While I don't think the details +of implicit trajectory simulation are of much interest to the readers (I hope +they aren't - I fell asleep during that part), I think that many of you will +be interested in some of the details gleaned from the examples. + +The first example given was the maximization of payload for a polar orbit. The +main restriction is that acceleration must remain below 3 Gs. I assume that +this is driven by passenger constraints rather than hardware constraints, but I +did not verify that. The Delta Clipper Y version has 8 engines - 4 boosters +and 4 sustainers. The boosters, which have a lower isp, are shut down in +mid-flight. Thus, one critical question is when to shut them down. Mr Nelson +showed the following plot of acceleration vs time: + ______ +3 G /| / | + / | / | As ASCII graphs go, this is actually fairly + / | / | good. The big difference is that the lines +2 G / |/ | made by the / should be curves which are + / | concave up. The data is only approximate, as + / | the graph wasn't up for very long. +1 G / | + | + | +0 G | + + ^ ^ + ~100 sec ~400 sec + + +As mentioned before, a critical constraint is that G levels must be kept below +3. Initially, all eight engines are started. As the vehicle burns fuel the +accelleration increases. As it gets close to 3G, the booster engines are +throtled back. However, they quickly become inefficient at low power, so it +soon makes more sense to cut them off altogether. This causes the dip in +accelleration at about 100 seconds. Eventually the remaining sustainer engines +bring the G level back up to about 3 and then hold it there until they cut +out entirely. + +The engine cutoff does not acutally occur in orbit. The trajectory is aimed +for an altitude slightly higher than the 100nm desired and the last vestiges of +air drag slow the vehicle slightly, thus lowering the final altitude to +that desired. + +Questions from the audience: (paraphrased) + +Q: Would it make sense to shut down the booster engines in pairs, rather than + all at once? + +A: Very perceptive. Worth considering. They have not yet done the simulation. Shutting down all four was part of the problem as given. + +Q: So what was the final payload for this trajectory? + +A: Can't tell us. ""Read Aviation Leak."" He also apparently had a good + propulsion example, but was told not to use it. + +My question: Does anyone know if this security is due to SDIO protecting +national security or MD protecting their own interests? + +The second example was reentry simulation, from orbit to just before the pitch +up maneuver. The biggest constraint in this one is aerodynamic heating, and +the parameter they were trying to maximize was crossrange. He showed graphs +of heating using two different models, to show that both were very similar, +and I think we were supposed to assume that this meant they were very accurate. +The end result was that for a polar orbit landing at KSC, the DC-Y would have +about 30 degrees of crossrange and would start it's reentry profile about +60 degrees south latitude. + +I would have asked about the landing maneuvers, but he didn't know about that +aspect of the flight profile. +",14 +,12 +"Now, that Clinton can get e-mail, i'm wondering if Congress is also +going on line.. If so, does anyone have the address to reach them?? +I'm also looking for Bill's e-mail address. +please e-mail me, i am not a regualar reader of this newsgrouop. +",18 +": > +: >Well, at least I damaged my own bike. If I had done it to someone else's +: >property I'd *really* feel like a jerk. As it is I just feel stupid. +: > +: I don't mean to be a cynic but . . . . you may want to reconsider +: having the body work done right away. The same type of thing +: may happen again. Wait till you get used to the bike, etc. + +Well, I waited a whole week to take the pastic bits off and take them +to the body shop. Is that long enough :-) +--",8 +"I also had a simular problem with by NEC P7, it went away when I turned +on the ""print directly to parallel port"" option in the printer setup +apallette. + +-- + + +Mencsh tract und Gott lacht",2 +" + No. The christians were leary of having an atheist spokesman + (seems so clandestine, and all that), so they had him removed. Of + course, Keith is busy explaining to his fellow captives how he + isn't really being persecuted, since (after all) they *are* + feeding him, and any resistance on his part would only be viewed + as trouble making. + + I understand he did make a bit of a fuss when they tatooed ""In God + We Trust"" on his forehead, though. + +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + +Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM + +They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +and sank Manhattan out at sea.",0 +"I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which +distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software. + +The information I am looking for is: + +Mail address +Phone number +Fax number +E-mail address + +Thanks in advance. +",2 +"WHile we are on the subject of the shuttle software. + +what ever happened to the hypothesis that the shuttle flight software +was a major factor in the loss of 51-L. to wit, that during the +wind shear event, the Flight control software indicated a series +of very violent engine movements that shocked and set upa harmonic +resonance leading to an overstress of the struts.",14 +" + +An Easy way to solve the problem is to use two op-amps to form the +balanced low-Z output, but this solution does not provide any +galvanic isolation between keyboard (or whatever plugged) and +mixer. If no tight requiremets are demanded and some hum, snap, +crackle and pop sounds (formed by ground loops) can be tolerated, +the op-amp solution is just what you are looking for! (It is +cheap...somewhat $10/DI-box). +Not sure, but Craig Anderton did introduce one DI-box project +in Guitar Player mag years ago (transformerless)..... + + +Hope this helps. Email, if more details wanted.... + + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- +Heikki Paananen heke@stekt.oulu.fi +The University of Oulu +Department of electrical engineering -Just a student +Finland",12 +" +I second what Spenser Aden said in reply. Additionally, it is hard to say +what type of response you ar3e having to prednisone since you did not say +how long you have been on it. Patients are generally kept on steroids for +months before thinking about tapering. Alternatives to daily dosing are +every other day dosing, in your case 20mg every other day would be a start. +Another option if it is not possible to get you off prednisone is to start +azathioprine. Like Spenser said, you should generally be on another drug +in addition to your prednisone, like asulfidine. A lot of the specifics +about options, though, depends on severity, location, and duration of +disease, as well as histology, so take advice off the net for what it +is worth. + +I treat patients with UC and Crohn's. An educated patient is a good +patient, but let your doctor know where the advice came from so things +can be put in context. You should also be a member of the Crohn's and +Colitis Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423 office / 1-800-343-3637 +info hotline. + +Best of Luck to you.",13 +" + +Well, if everything wouldn't be okay, then tell us what it is that +wouldn't be okay. That is, if religions were no longer tax-exempt, then +what would be wrong with their lobbying or otherwise attempting to +influence politics?",0 +"Does anyone out there use a SIGMA designs VIDEO/SOUND card ? +The model is called WIN-STORM-PC . +They also have one model the Legend-24lx + +Any info on these like performance and compatibility, +or even problems encountered will be appreciated.",2 +" +It's supposedly a high-performance chip based upon workstation graphics +accelerators. It's quite fast (I have 7), but as usual with new boards/chips +the drivers are buggy for Windows. As far as Winmarks go, it depends upon +the version. I think I got 42M winmarks with version 3.11. 2.5 yielded the +50+ number. I've also benchmarked this with Wintach at over 65 (from memory +as well). + +As far as the low-level stuff goes, it looks pretty nice. It's got this +quadrilateral fill command that requires just the four points. + +It's very fast, but beware of buggy drivers, and otherwise no non-windows +support. +",1 +"Reposted, without permission, from rec.music.dylan: +",9 +"Hi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200 +printer driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with +my BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version.",2 +"[deleted] + +I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but DRAM *does not* have to +be refreshed on *each access cycle*. So cycle time does *not* have to be +twice the access time *because of refresh phase*. + +The access time usually means the delay time from falling edge of raw +address strobe (RAS) to data bus driven. + +DRAM access cycle timing chart can be roughly shown as following (some +signals are intentionally omitted); + +ADDR ------------------ RA=Raw Address, CA=Column Address +RAS ~~~~\________/~~~~~\________/~~~~~ ~=High, _=Low, -=Floating +CAS ~~~~~~~\_______/~~~~~~\_______/~~~ <..>=driven either H or L +DATA -------------------- + |-------+------| + |-+--| | + | +----------- cycle time + +---- access time (or RAS access time) + +Yes, the cycle time is more than twice as the access time but *not* +because of the refresh phase. The refresh can be done either as a +trailing phase of normal access cycle or as an individual cycle. + +[other stuff deleted] + +Ken Nakata",3 +" ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes... + ^^^^ + Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least +a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now. But +do I have to break a leg to use it? + + (When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches +to the back of the bike & riding to the lab. It was my right ankle, but the +bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)",8 +"Re: Flaming wreckage + +I wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the +BATF. + +Perhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign?",16 +" + OK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still + claim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even + threaten anyone with them. What do they do right ... or are + they just lucky ? In either case, this means the 'average + threat level' in this country is rather low. + + + I think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these + alternative means of self-protection involved any hardware. + Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every + person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude + and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents + make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when + strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups + like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative + effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the + good neighbors step up and say ""THAT'S the one officer ! He + was robbing Mr. Jones' house"". + + In short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at + least a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative. + Replace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better + conversationalist too and you can invite it over for a + block party. + + + Oliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many + all-American 'conservative' quarters. He and Big Ron + set-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely + illegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing + twenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all + the time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really + cares anymore. 'Legitimacy' is a non-issue. Legality is + a non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who + gives a rats ass ? + + + No. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical + aspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue. + + + Argue away ... you can't win. +",16 +"well people, I can only recomend the non-flat-screen, no-hype, +no-nonsense NEC 3DS that I have, and PLUS, it has the ADVANTAGE of +NOT having one of those new flat screen tubes which are oversensitive +and fragile and break often! +this is a 15'' heavy-duty rugged set for those who insist on well-proven +reliable technologies!",3 +"The title says it all. I need to know the 44, 88, and 88c rom versions.",4 +" +Not at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming +that was being conducted by a student organisation here at the +University of Texas at San Antonio. As a result, I was interrogated +by the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification +file (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a +complaint with the University administration. The Vice-President for +Business Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no +interest in the legal/Constitutional implications of those actions. +",11 +" + + + +We might be better off had some of our former presidents done nothing. + + + +",18 +" +I've sent the article. In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point +out that ""non-liberal education"" (head in the sand) is not the same as +""abstinence education"". + +We had ""non-liberal education"" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60's, +which didn't do us a lot of good. But ""abstinence education"" regarding +drugs has proven effective, I think. +",15 +" +Yah. So? + + +He certainly didn't earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow +in the World Series? All of the ones he started? + + +Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens. + +Don't give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and +Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would +have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is +due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick. + + +I'm willing to bet they don't finish sixth. I'm also willing to bet +they don't finish first. And if you give me 3-2 odds, I'm willing to +bet that they finish ahead of the Blue Jays.",9 +"[...lots of stuff about intellectual errors deleted...] + +This is cute, but I see no statement telling me why your church is the true +church. I do presume that you know or at least believe that yours is true. +Attempting to ream my faith without replacing it with something ""better"" is +a real good way to loose a person completely from Christ. + +This is the greatest reason I see that these attacks are not motivated by +love. They only seek to destroy there is no building or replacing of belief. +This is not something Christ did. He guided and instructed He didn't +seek to destroy the faith He found, He redirected it. + +This is what I see when people say they ""love"" . +And I have to laugh at the irony. ",19 +" +The Orion concept as actually proposed (as opposed to the way it has been +somewhat misrepresented in some fiction) included wrapping a thick layer +of reaction mass -- probably plastic of some sort -- around each bomb. +The bomb vaporizes the reaction mass, and it's that which transfers +momentum to the pusher plate.",14 +" +I *loved* Dan Kelly! He was on USA when I first got hooked on Hockey back +in 1980 or so. No, he wasn't always spot on top of the play, and he +wasn't overly cute, but those pipes! That lusty, barrel chested, voice! +No pipsqueak was he (unlike some fellas we know!) + +I rode into hockey mania on the coattails of Gretzky and the Boys on the +Bus. My first Finals saw the Islanders sweep them. But I'll never +forget the night, a year later, when the Oilers closed it out at home in +the pandemonium, the smoke from a million sparklers, the long empty-net +goal near the end, and Dan Kelly letting the crowd's reaction tell the +story for a few long seconds, then that voice barking through the din +""Dave Lumley ... sews it up for Edmonton!"" It sounds stupid, but that +early (for me) hockey memory will always bring a thrill. Since then +I've grown a lot more jaded about the game, but I was really saddened +by Dan Kelly's passing. He was one of the good guys.",10 +"I have a problem with intersections between two surfaces. +Does anybody have a easy to understand algorithm for that or maybe +even C source?? +",1 +"Howdy, + +Sorry if this has been covered before: + +One of my PC illiterate friends asked me to help him install DRDOS 6.0 on his +NEC Powermate SX (386SX 16). Of course, I said ""No problem"" and went to work. +Unfortunately, the DRDOS refuses to recognize the hard drive during +installation, even though I am still able to boot off of the hard drive using +the old DOS. After openning it up I discovered it was using an 8-bit +Seagate SCSI controller on a ST-157N SCSI 40Mbtye drive. I then booted +with DRDOS 6.0 off of the floppy a second time and ran fdisk to see if +I could access the drive. Lo and behold the primary 46.5 Mbyte partition +was intact (created by DOS 3.1 no less, I didn't think you could go over a +32Mbyte partition in the older DOSes. I could be wrong...). I then tried +to remove the primary partition, which it wouldn't allow me to do. I am +unaware of anything special that has to be done with a SCSI drive (I +kinda expected it to work just like an IDE/MFM/RLL drive for DOS +installations). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated (except for +""Throw it in the garbage and buy a new PC"")... + +Thanks in advance,",3 +"The article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, +1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up At Younger Age"" by Mike +Snider, p. 1A). + + Drug use is on the rise among kids as young as eighth graders - + usually 13 - and they're using more LSD and inhalants like glue + and air fresheners, says a new survey. + + The annual National High School Senior Survey on Drug Abuse finds + ""statistically significant increases"" in eighth-graders' use of + many drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD and inhalants. + + ""We may be in danger of losing some ... hard-won ground (in reducing + drug use) as a new, more naive generation of youngsters enters + adolescence,"" says Lloyd Johnston, University of Michigan, chief + researcher on the study sponsored by the Department of Health and + Human Services. + + But drug use among high school seniors is continuing a decade-long + decline. + + The study of 50,000 students shows the percentage who tried the + following in the 30 days before they were polled: + + * 8th-graders - alcohol 26%; cigarettes 16%; marijuana 4%; + cocaine 0.7%. + + * 10th-graders - alcohol 40%; cigarettes 22%; marijuana 8%; + cocaine 0.7%. + + * 12th-graders - alcohol 51%; cigarettes 28%; marijuana 12%; + cocaine 1.3%. + + Among 12th-graders, use of marijuana, cocaine and inhalants + declined over the year before. Not so with LSD. + + * 2% of eighth-graders have tried LSD in the last year, up 24% + over 1991. + + * Use of LSD among seniors is at its highest point since 1982; 6% + tried it in the last year. + + Reducing drug use among students ""requires a different kind of + strategy"" that Health Secretary Donna Shalala says will be part + of an overall illness prevention plan. + + The survey shows drugs are easier to get and fewer eighth-graders + disapprove of them. + + ""It's scary,"" Shalala says. ""Dealers are focusing on younger, more + vulnerable kids."" + + +Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot",18 +" + + + +Remember the OT doctrine of 2 witnesses? Perhaps the prophets +testified He is coming. The Apostles, testified He came.",15 +" + + + +Well, my driveway is... Just keep an eye out for the blue GLH Turbo that +utilizes the ""hit-the-ground-running"" merging technique. +At least I don't have a dog that you need worry about. + +Last week while entering a sand/gravel covered intersection in the country, +I caught something unkosher out of the corner of my eye (you know that +disgusting sensation when great, as-of-yet unidentified, evil is about to +intimately acquaint itself with you-- kind of like knowing that that darkening +shadow around you just cannot possibly be anything even remotely good, because +it probably has something to do with a Boeing 747 behaving, gravitationally +speaking, much like a brick). Negotiating my way into this intersection that +somehow reminded me of Daytona beach (sans H2O, sun, & babes) I manage to get a +glance at my impending destiny. Lucifer's own DOG. Hell's secret blend +of canine-- Doberman and Rottweiler (it moved with the grace of a Doberman, +yet had the hulk and jowels of the Rottweiler-- a creature with a definite +*wrong* end to be at). The picture in my mirrors was fuzzy, but there was no +mistaking the fangs and saliva trail. +To shorten a verbose tale, my burly gaurdian-angels once again performed above +and beyond the call of duty, carried the bike through the sand-trap (I honestlyhave no idea how), and left the minion of Beelzebub with a face that +suspiciously resembles a Metzler tread. No blood, though-- Rats. + +Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought + to be allowed to carry handguns. + +-Erc. + +_______________________________________________________________________________ +C Eric Sundheim +GrandRapids, MI, USA +`90 Hondo VFR750f +DoD# 1138",8 +"Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all NL players with at +least 10 at-bats. + +It is early in the season so there are some high numbers. Barry Bonds +finished last season at 0.795. + +I welcome comments and suggestions. + +Kevin + +League OPI: 0.410 +League BA: 0.252 +League SLG: 0.375 +League OBA: 0.321 + +Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA +----------------------------------------------------- +1 Phi,daulton 1.101 0.333 0.875 0.515 +2 Phi,kruk 1.069 0.429 0.821 0.529 +3 Cub,grace 1.007 0.452 0.742 0.514 +4 Cub,may 0.931 0.389 0.889 0.421 +5 Col,boston 0.888 0.545 0.545 0.545 +6 Pit,bell 0.873 0.429 0.714 0.467 +7 Col,galarraga 0.867 0.458 0.708 0.458 +8 StL,pena 0.833 0.400 0.600 0.516 +9 StL,zeile 0.811 0.440 0.560 0.500 +10 Cin,mitchell 0.810 0.429 0.643 0.467 +11 Mon,lansing 0.792 0.419 0.677 0.438 +12 Pit,slaught 0.754 0.474 0.526 0.474 +13 Mon,vanderwal 0.746 0.389 0.556 0.476 +14 NYM,tfernandez 0.709 0.300 0.400 0.500 +15 SnF,martinez 0.697 0.300 0.400 0.500 +16 Hou,bagwell 0.695 0.367 0.567 0.424 +17 Col,hayes 0.686 0.333 0.667 0.364 +18 Col,eyoung 0.682 0.333 0.500 0.407 +19 Mon,alou 0.675 0.371 0.600 0.389 +20 Cin,milligan 0.659 0.333 0.375 0.515 +21 Phi,dykstra 0.646 0.214 0.571 0.405 +22 SnF,bonds 0.624 0.280 0.680 0.333 +22 Flo,conine 0.624 0.393 0.393 0.469 +24 SnD,plantier 0.603 0.286 0.571 0.375 +25 Hou,gonzalez 0.596 0.296 0.667 0.296 +26 Hou,anthony 0.594 0.320 0.480 0.414 +27 Col,cole 0.579 0.318 0.409 0.400 +28 Atl,sanders 0.576 0.357 0.643 0.357 +29 Mon,berry 0.566 0.273 0.273 0.500 +30 Cub,sosa 0.558 0.303 0.545 0.343 +31 StL,jefferies 0.551 0.269 0.692 0.296 +32 Pit,vanslyke 0.549 0.296 0.444 0.387 +33 *Montreal 0.548 0.312 0.490 0.367 +34 Los,butler 0.545 0.296 0.333 0.457 +35 Mon,grissom 0.542 0.333 0.455 0.371 +36 Pit,king 0.536 0.308 0.346 0.438 +37 SnD,gwynn 0.533 0.280 0.400 0.379 +38 Pit,merced 0.532 0.300 0.400 0.391 +39 NYM,murray 0.521 0.308 0.462 0.357 +40 StL,gilkey 0.514 0.312 0.438 0.353 +41 NYM,bonilla 0.507 0.292 0.417 0.370 +42 SnD,walters 0.501 0.300 0.500 0.333 +43 Cub,wilson 0.497 0.323 0.452 0.344 +44 Flo,weiss 0.492 0.261 0.348 0.433 +45 *Philadelphia 0.487 0.243 0.431 0.348 +46 Atl,justice 0.480 0.207 0.448 0.361 +47 *Pittsburgh 0.479 0.292 0.428 0.351 +48 StL,osmith 0.476 0.310 0.448 0.355 +49 Phi,incaviglia 0.473 0.250 0.500 0.308 +50 Pit,young 0.470 0.286 0.500 0.310 +51 *StLouis 0.467 0.275 0.445 0.344 +52 *Colorado 0.459 0.287 0.426 0.327 +53 NYM,hundley 0.458 0.300 0.450 0.333 +54 NYM,orsulak 0.454 0.357 0.429 0.400 +55 SnF,benjamin 0.440 0.200 0.500 0.273 +56 Atl,gant 0.438 0.214 0.464 0.333 +56 *NYMets 0.438 0.261 0.345 0.356 +58 *Houston 0.436 0.260 0.415 0.318 +59 Mon,pitcher 0.434 0.312 0.375 0.353 +60 Phi,morandini 0.433 0.240 0.360 0.321 +61 Hou,cedeno 0.427 0.280 0.440 0.308 +62 Cin,sabo 0.423 0.226 0.452 0.273 +63 SnF,manwaring 0.413 0.261 0.435 0.292 +64 *SnFrancisco 0.412 0.253 0.396 0.315 +65 Atl,blauser 0.409 0.276 0.310 0.364 +66 SnF,thompson 0.408 0.278 0.389 0.316 +66 Hou,caminiti 0.408 0.259 0.481 0.286 +68 Flo,barberie 0.405 0.267 0.267 0.371 +69 Mon,cordero 0.400 0.276 0.345 0.323 +70 SnD,sheffield 0.397 0.241 0.448 0.267 +71 Los,karros 0.392 0.259 0.296 0.355 +72 SnF,williams 0.391 0.226 0.452 0.250 +72 SnD,mcgriff 0.391 0.192 0.385 0.276 +74 Flo,destrade 0.390 0.267 0.333 0.333 +75 Col,girardi 0.388 0.238 0.381 0.304 +76 Atl,bream 0.386 0.182 0.409 0.250 +77 Mon,wood 0.385 0.200 0.300 0.333 +78 Flo,santiago 0.384 0.200 0.360 0.286 +79 Phi,thompson 0.383 0.227 0.273 0.320 +80 SnF,clayton 0.382 0.345 0.379 0.345 +80 Los,piazza 0.382 0.304 0.391 0.333 +82 SnD,bell 0.378 0.273 0.364 0.304 +83 Los,wallach 0.374 0.200 0.400 0.273 +84 Cin,larkin 0.367 0.281 0.281 0.361 +85 Pit,garcia 0.366 0.273 0.318 0.304 +85 *Cincinnati 0.366 0.256 0.319 0.326 +87 NYM,coleman 0.363 0.259 0.259 0.310 +88 NYM,kent 0.362 0.190 0.286 0.320 +89 StL,whiten 0.361 0.240 0.360 0.321 +90 Cin,roberts 0.359 0.278 0.278 0.333 +90 *Cubs 0.359 0.236 0.366 0.277 +92 SnF,lewis 0.354 0.227 0.364 0.261 +92 Hou,finley 0.354 0.214 0.250 0.312 +92 Col,clark 0.354 0.250 0.350 0.286 +95 Los,pitcher 0.350 0.286 0.357 0.286 +95 *SnDiego 0.350 0.219 0.357 0.268 +97 Atl,lemke 0.345 0.200 0.240 0.333 +98 *LosAngeles 0.339 0.221 0.275 0.311 +99 SnF,mcgee 0.335 0.267 0.300 0.333 +99 *Atlanta 0.335 0.199 0.308 0.287 +101 Cin,sanders 0.334 0.267 0.333 0.290 +101 Cin,oliver 0.334 0.208 0.208 0.345 +103 SnD,gardner 0.332 0.238 0.333 0.273 +103 Los,reed 0.332 0.276 0.276 0.323 +105 Phi,hollins 0.327 0.226 0.290 0.294 +106 *Florida 0.326 0.226 0.268 0.311 +107 Los,davis 0.325 0.188 0.219 0.278 +108 Atl,pendleton 0.322 0.212 0.273 0.297 +109 SnF,clark 0.316 0.161 0.290 0.257 +110 Los,strawberry 0.314 0.111 0.185 0.314 +110 Hou,biggio 0.314 0.179 0.214 0.303 +112 Phi,bell 0.304 0.182 0.364 0.217 +113 Flo,magadan 0.303 0.182 0.182 0.357 +114 StL,pagnozzi 0.299 0.158 0.316 0.238 +115 Pit,martin 0.295 0.167 0.417 0.167 +115 Col,bichette 0.295 0.222 0.389 0.222 +117 Hou,taubensee 0.294 0.190 0.333 0.227 +118 Mon,bolick 0.292 0.250 0.312 0.250 +119 Flo,pose 0.291 0.258 0.323 0.303 +120 Mon,cianfrocco 0.287 0.188 0.375 0.188 +121 NYM,johnson 0.274 0.136 0.136 0.296 +122 Cin,kelly 0.272 0.250 0.333 0.270 +123 Atl,nixon 0.256 0.185 0.222 0.241 +124 NYM,pitcher 0.255 0.167 0.250 0.231 +125 Pit,pitcher 0.250 0.222 0.278 0.222 +126 Cub,buechle 0.231 0.154 0.192 0.241 +127 StL,lankford 0.225 0.133 0.133 0.316 +128 Atl,olson 0.224 0.150 0.150 0.261 +129 Cub,vizcaino 0.217 0.148 0.259 0.179 +130 Cub,sanchez 0.212 0.188 0.219 0.212 +131 Phi,duncan 0.202 0.214 0.214 0.214 +132 Los,offerman 0.198 0.182 0.182 0.250 +133 SnF,pitcher 0.197 0.176 0.235 0.176 +134 Mon,laker 0.183 0.133 0.267 0.133 +135 Phi,chamberlain 0.180 0.111 0.111 0.200 +136 SnD,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 +136 Atl,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 +138 Phi,pitcher 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 +139 Cub,maldonado 0.150 0.105 0.158 0.150 +140 Flo,felix 0.148 0.172 0.207 0.172 +141 Cin,espy 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 +142 StL,jordan 0.140 0.105 0.211 0.105 +143 Atl,berryhill 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 +144 Cub,pitcher 0.126 0.111 0.111 0.158 +145 SnD,shipley 0.122 0.087 0.174 0.087 +146 StL,pitcher 0.106 0.125 0.125 0.125 +147 Hou,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 +147 Col,benavides 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 +147 Cin,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 +150 Cub,wilkins 0.038 0.000 0.000 0.067 +151 Flo,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 +151 Col,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 + + 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) +OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- + AB - H + +BA = H / AB + +SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB + +OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB)",9 +"misc.entrepreneurs,misc.wanted,pnw.forsale,uw.pc.ibm,seattle.forsale,uw. +.forsale,misc.forsale, +misc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.co +omputers.other, +Distribution: world +From:yuri@atmos.washington.edu +Reply-To: yuri@atmos.washington.edu +Organization: +Subject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed +Keywords: + + I need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around $17-20/piece. +I am waiting for an offer.",3 +"Hello, + I've been trying to bump map a gif onto a sphere for a while and I +can't seem to get it to work. Image mapping works, but not bump +mapping. Here's a simple file I was working with, could some kind +soul tell me whats wrong with this..... + +#include ""colors.inc"" +#include ""shapes.inc"" +#include ""textures.inc"" + +camera { + location <0 1 -3> + direction <0 0 1.5> + up <0 1 0> + right <1.33 0 0> + look_at <0 1 2> +} + +object { light_source { <2 4 -3> color White } + } + +object { + sphere { <0 1 2> 1 } + texture { + bump_map { 1 <0 1 2> gif ""surf.gif""} + } +} + +NOTE: surf.gif is a plasma fractal from Fractint that is using the +landscape palette map. + + + Thanks in advance + -Daniel-",1 +"Hey All, + +Does anyone know if I can ftp to get the newest version of Radiusware +and soft pivot from Radius? I bought a pivot monitor, but it has an +old version of this software and won't work on my C650, and Radius said +it would be 4-5 weeks until delivery. + +Thanks!",4 +"I have the local bus card also, and don't have any such problems with it +now, but this is the second card I've gotten - the first card didn't work +in VGA mode correctly. Maybe they still have some quality control problems. +I would suggest checking with ATI (I went through the vendor I bought the +card from since the problem showed up immediately). I never was able to +get through to ATI's technical support number. + +I sure like the way the card performs though. I have the 2MB ATI ultra +pro - local bus, and it is fast even in 1024x768x16bpp mode. + + +Cheers, +Phil + +",2 +"Well, it really isn't this cut and dry, but as a Jay fan the thing I feared +worst has happened. The Yanks sent down Williams G and are going to start +Williams B in CF. + I also believe they kept Wickman and Millitello in their rotation, which is +much nicer than that Kaminiecki and Mike Witt combo I thought they'd throw +out their to the slaughterhouse because of their ""experience"". Granted, Witt +""might"" be good, but I think that they used rationale to keep the youngsters +up and not given the job to Witt because he was a good pitcher and has +experience. + The Yanks are showing that they are taking positive strides forwards; the +Jays with the loss of Dave Stewart are looking at gigantic holes in their +pitching staff. + The Orioles should also be there in the end.....",9 +"You are brain damaged. That hate of++0B1FATransfer cancelledf yours courses +through your sick body like poison. It's just a matter of time. Your fate +is sealed.",17 +" +I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a +personal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have +with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for +others who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just +Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems +within Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters +of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by +objective means. + +Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal +sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these +matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them +but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this +that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus +anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing +the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the +honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God. +Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is +universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud +notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that +leads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-) + + + +comments, criticism welcome... +-Ken +alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu",15 +" + +Too bad they didn't give him a tour of the CGRO data? + +I think he'd be fascinated by the Gamma ray bursters. The mind of +hawking might even propose a mechanism. + + +SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? carries an +aluminum-gold set of grateful dead albums? inquiring minds +want to know? + +And why would MO carry any features for being drag free? I thought +aero-braking was a possible MO experimental activity?",14 +" + +The Japanese are still on the learning curve as far as nuclear power goes. +This means that unlike the Germans (who do great things all by themselves) +the Japanese tie up with foreign companies. The major one is Mitsubishi +(who else) who have a sharing agreement with GE I think. No chance of a +new design. + + +Sodium has *lots* of chemical problems. Like it eats stainless steel. Very +slowly but it gets there in the end. Not what I call a desired property. +As for design difficulties, what does sodium do there? It is a bitch and +it is only its chemical properties (flwed though they are) that means it +gets used. Two loops? That's not a design problem? Isolation from air and +water? That doesn't cause design problems? In comparison BWR's a dream rides! + + +Don't get none of that in a Liquid Sodium Breeder! More steel, more complexity. + +Joseph Askew +",14 +"I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows +without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be +happy with this, or insist on a swap file? +",2 +"Turkish president Turgur Ozal has passed away today after a heart attack in Ankara at 11:00 am GMT . +Mr. Ozal was 66 years old.",18 +"Non-smoking roommate needed + to sublet + 1BR in 2BR carpeted apt. + in Evanston, IL + near the Dempster el stop + parking is available + +Rent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils. + + avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug. + (entire apt. available Sept. 1) + +Roommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian, + non-smoking female who works at + Northwestern + + No neat freaks please!",6 +" + + + + +Sheesh! I don't know what kind of women they have where you guys live, +but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off. Or at least +they will try to, but we just can't let the youngsters get too uppity +with us old folks :-).",7 +"I want to do the equivalent of an ""xwininfo -name"" via a call or set of calls +in Xlib. I need to map a windows name to its id. +It's probably easy, but I've only been programming in X for a little while. +I've looked in the O'reilly books and didn't find it and I also checked the +FAQ and couldn't find it. + +Email to one of the following addresses and I'll post a response if it +seems reasonable to do so. + + +Guy",5 +" +Just because they can do it anyway, somehow, does not mean it is smart to make +the job easier for them. +-- +""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! +On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole + that she made from Leftover Turkey. +[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... + -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)",11 +" +/> +/>I always thought GD's Fighter plants were in Long Island. +/> +/No, Northrup has a plant on Long Island. + +I don't think Northrup ever had a plant on Long Island. The two main airframe +manufacturers there were (Fairchild)/Republic which closed its doors after the +T-46 cancellation, and Grumman (which is still hanging on last I time I called). +I think Sperry also started there. If you're ever in the area check out the +Cradle of Aviation Museum at Mitchell field (now mostly parking lots behind the +Nassau Coliseum and the community college). Good display of vehicles from Long +Island, including a LEM flight article.",14 +" +Is it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations, +is very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the +FBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather +hypocritical.",16 +"I posted about this a while ago but without code excerpts noone was +able to help me. + +The problem is that main_win.win is doing fine, but when I create +detail_win.win, it does not receive it's initial expose events until +main_win.win receives an event. Here are the relevent calls: + +main_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), + myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, + main_win.line_thick, fg, bg); +XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, main_win.text, + main_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); +main_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, main_win.win, 0, 0); +XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); +XMapSubwindows (mydisplay, main_win.win); +The event mask for main_win is: + PPosition | PSize | StructureNotifyMask | ExposureMask| KeyPressMask | + EnterWindowMask | LeaveWindowMask; +The flags are + PPosition | PSize + +I then create detail_win.win with the following calls (hints has new values): +detail_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), + myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, + detail_win.line_thick, fg, bg); +XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, detail_win.text, + detail_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); +detail_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, detail_win.win, 0, 0); +XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); +Event Mask and flags are identical to main_win's flags and event mask. + +If anybody has any idea why the initial expose events of detail_win.win +are not received until main_win.win receives an event I'd love to hear +from them. Other that that everything works great so there must be some +detail I'm overseeing. + +Thanks for any tips +---> Robert +rgasch@nl.oracle.com",5 +"As it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor/card +combo that is in working condition. +The only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card. + +E-Mail all offers to: +IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU",6 +"If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented +and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> +(and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << +absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite +(which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? + +Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! + +---------------- +Graham K. Glover +----------------",16 +"Please reply via EMail... + +When I use the terminal software for Windows such as TERMINAL.EXE or +Crossttalk, it doesn't use the whole window. I mean, when the software's +window size is max, it still scrolls around the 2/3 of window. It does not +use whole window. I set ""stty rows 30"", but still the same. Scrolls at 2/3 +from the top of the windows. Could anyone tell me how to setup these software +to use whole window?",2 +"Hello-- I'm currently designing the architecture of a chip which is +intended to help speed up common operations on a windowing system such as +X. A friend and I are designing the chip as the final course project for +an advanced computer architecture course taught by Dr. Fred Brooks at +UNC-Chapel Hill. While we feel that we've got a pretty solid design +currently, we'd really like to get ahold of some frequency data from an +X-Windows server so that we can make the most effective use of our bit +budget. + +Unfortunately, I've been unable to find anything of this sort in the +various X FAQs, or X manuals that I've seen. Does anyone have some type of +frequency data, like how many Copy-rectangle operations vs draw-lines, and +things of that sort? Or, barring that, a program that records requests to +the server into a logfile that I can munge on myself? + +Any and all help would be very appreciated. + +Many thanks, + ---Mark",5 +What has this got to do with comp.windows.x?,5 +" +""fete""??? Since this word both formally and commonly refers to +positive/joyous events, your misuse of it here is rather unsettling. + + +I certainly abhor those Israeli policies and attitudes that are +abusive towards the Palestinians/Gazans. Given that, however, there +*is no comparison* between the reality of the Warsaw Ghetto and in +Gaza. + +Just as international law recognizes the right of the occupying +entity to maintain order, especially in the face of elements +that are consciously attempting to disrupt the civil structure. +Ironically, international law recognizes each of these focusses +(that of the occupied and the occupier) even though they are +inherently in conflict. + +Israel certainly cannot, and should not, continue its present +policies towards Gazan residents. There is, however, a third +alternative- the creation and implementation of a jewish ""dhimmi"" +system with Gazans/Palestinians as benignly ""protected"" citizens. +Would you find THAT as acceptable in that form as you do with +regard to Islam's policies towards its minorities? + + +It is a race, then? Between Israel's anti-Palestinian/Gazan +""Final Solution"" and the Arab World's anti-Israel/jewish +""Final Solution"". Do you favor one? neither? + +Since there is justifiable worry by various parties that Israel +and Arab/Palestinian ""final solution"" intentions exist, isn't it +important that BOTH Israeli *and* Palestinian/Gazan ""rights"" +be secured? + +",17 +"I am looking for a package which takes as inputs a set +of geometric objects defined by unions of convex polytopes +specified in some manner, say by inequalities and equalities, +and determines in some reasonable form things like +intersections, unions, etc. etc.. + +Does anyone know where I can find such a thing?",1 +": . +: . +: >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here +: >using [Procomm Plus for Windows], but the screen seems to have a problem +: >keeping up with the +: >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. + +: Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card! My 9600 baud +: modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get +: about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the +: modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too). He should get over +: 10 million on his machine with the same card. Anything 10+ should yield +: acceptable speed... + +I'm using PC Plus at home on my trusty old NEC 386 SX/20 with a 14,400 +baud modem with no problems at all. I am, however, running only +straight 16 color VGA. + +--",2 +Report them to your local BBB (Better Business Bureau).,13 +": +:> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day +:> in Texas. +: +:Do YOU eat all your food cold? + +Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it. +I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor. + +Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart +of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use. + +Mike Ruff + +",16 +" + + + + +The problem is, your use of the word ""objective"" along with ""values."" +Both definitions three and four are inherently subjective, that is +they are particular to a given individual, or personal. You see, +what one person may see as worthwhile, another may see as worthless. + + +Again, your form of measurement in this sentence, that being of ""worth"" +is subjective. + + + +When I find that my usage of a word is different than the usage of +that word given by another person, I try to find a standard against +which to judge that usage. In most cases, the dictionary is the standard +I use. Here is a definiton of objective: + +objective ADJ. 1. Of or having to do with a material object as +distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. +3.a. Unenfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on +observable phenomenon. + +By this definition, science does not have an objective worth, since the +phrase ""objective worth"" is an oxymoron. However you asked something a +little differently this time, you asked for an objective basis for a +notion. The fact that the use of science as an intellectual tool is +responsible for changes in our world (the changes are material, and +thus ""objective"") would provide an objective _basis_ for an argument. +However, the conclusion arrived at from that argument (that science is +""good"") is subjective. + +I think that the problem here is one of word usage. Take a little time +and read the definitions of these words: objective, subjective, worth, +value, morality, good, evil. I believe that if you think about the +meaning of them for a while, you will have to conclude that there is no +such thing as an objective morality. +",19 +"A friend has the following symptoms which have occurred periodically +every few months for the last 3 years. An episode begins with extreme +tiredness followed by: + + 1. traveling joint pains and stiffness affecting mostly the elbows, + knees, and hips. + 2. generalized muscle pains + 3. tinnitus and a feeling of pressure in her ears + 4. severe sweating occuring both at night and during the day + 5. hemorrhaging in both eyes. Her opthamologist calls it peripheral + retinal hemorhages and says it looks similar to diabetic retinopathy. (She + isn't diabetic--they checked. + 6. distorted color vision and distorted vision in general (telephone + poles do not appear to be straight) + 7. loss of peripheral vision. + + Many tests have been run and all are normal except for something +called unidentified bright objects found on a MRI of her brain. The only +thing that seems to alleviate one of these episodes is prednisone. At +times she had been on 60 mg per day. Whenever she gets down to 10-15 mg +the symptoms become acute again.",13 +"Archive-name: atheism/overview +Alt-atheism-archive-name: overview +Last-modified: 5 April 1993 +Version: 1.2 + + Overview + +Welcome to alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. + +This is the first in a series of regular postings aimed at new readers of the +newsgroups. + +Many groups of a 'controversial' nature have noticed that new readers often +come up with the same questions, mis-statements or misconceptions and post +them to the net. In addition, people often request information which has +been posted time and time again. In order to try and cut down on this, the +alt.atheism groups have a series of five regular postings under the following +titles: + + 1. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers + 2. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism + 3. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) + 4. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument + 5. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources + +This is article number 1. Please read numbers 2 and 3 before posting. The +others are entirely optional. + +If you are new to Usenet, you may also find it helpful to read the newsgroup +news.announce.newusers. The articles titled ""A Primer on How to Work With +the Usenet Community"", ""Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Usenet"" +and ""Hints on writing style for Usenet"" are particularly relevant. Questions +concerning how news works are best asked in news.newusers.questions. + +If you are unable to find any of the articles listed above, see the ""Finding +Stuff"" section below. + + + Credits + +These files could not have been written without the assistance of the many +readers of alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. In particular, I'd like to +thank the following people: + +kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge) +perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) +NETOPRWA@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Wayne Aiken) +chpetk@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Toby Kelsey) +jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) +geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold) +torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) +kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf) +roe2@quads.uchicago.edu (Greg Roelofs) +arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) +madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) +J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson) +dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) +mayne@open.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) +ajr@bigbird.hri.com (Andy Rosen) +stoesser@ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) +bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie (Bryan O'Sullivan) +lippard@ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) +s1b3832@rigel.tamu.edu (S. Baum) +ydobyns@phoenix.princeton.edu (York H. Dobyns) +schroede@sdsc.edu (Wayne Schroeder) +baldwin@csservera.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin) +D_NIBBY@unhh.unh.edu (Dana Nibby) +dempsey@Kodak.COM (Richard C. Dempsey) +jmunch@hertz,elee.calpoly.edu (John David Munch) +pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) +rz@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Richard Zach) +tycchow@math.mit.edu (Tim Chow) +simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) + +...and countless others I've forgotten. + +These articles are free. Truly free. You may copy them and distribute them +to anyone you wish. However, please send any changes or corrections to the +author, and please do not re-post copies of the articles to alt.atheism; it +does nobody any good to have multiple versions of the same document floating +around the network. + + + Finding Stuff + +All of the FAQ files *should* be somewhere on your news system. Here are +some suggestions on what to do if you can't find them: + +1. Check the newsgroup alt.atheism. Look for subject lines starting with + ""Alt.Atheism FAQ:"". + +2. Check the newsgroup news.answers for the same subject lines. + + If you don't find anything in steps 1 or 2, your news system isn't set up + correctly, and you may wish to tell your system administrator about the + problem. + +3. If you have anonymous FTP access, connect to rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]. + Go to the directory /pub/usenet/alt.atheism, and you'll find the latest + versions of the FAQ files there. + + FTP is a a way of copying files between networked computers. If you + need help in using or getting started with FTP, send e-mail to + mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with + + send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq + + in the body. + +4. There are other sites which also carry news.answers postings. The article + ""Introduction to the news.answers newsgroup"" carries a list of these + sites; the article is posted regularly to news.answers. + +5. If you don't have FTP, send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu + consisting of the following lines: + + send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources + send usenet/alt.atheism/faq + send usenet/alt.atheism/introduction + send usenet/alt.atheism/logic + send usenet/alt.atheism/resources + +5. (Penultimate resort) Send mail to mail-server@mantis.co.uk consisting of + the following lines: + + send atheism/faq/faq.txt + send atheism/faq/logic.txt + send atheism/faq/intro.txt + send atheism/faq/resource.txt + + and our poor overworked modems will try and send you a copy of the files. + There's other stuff, too; interesting commands to try are ""help"" and + ""send atheism/index"". + +6. (Last resort) Mail mathew@mantis.co.uk, or post an article to the + newsgroup asking how you can get the FAQ files. You should only do this + if you've tried the above methods and they've failed; it's not nice to + clutter the newsgroup or people's mailboxes with requests for files. + it's better than posting without reading the FAQ, though! For instance, + people whose email addresses get mangled in transit and who don't have + FTP will probably need assistance obtaining the FAQ files. +",0 +"Hi all! + Quick question. Could someone please send me a pinout of +the cable that goes between a NeXT cube and the monitor? Also, +I am interested in the video signal (sync type, horz/vert rate) +so any information on that would be greatly appreciated also.",12 +" +Never was? Probably. Is not now? Debatable. What other valid test can +you think of besides the final standings or divisional playoff winner? What +do you propose, a worthless vote like they do in college football? What a +joke! + + +If I remember right, Brad Park was also involved in that trade. He wasn't +all that bad a hockey player. + +But let's look at some of Sinden's trades over the years: + +??? for Rick Middleton (Rangers). I don't know who Sinden gave up for Middle- +ton, so I'll call this one a +. + +Barry Pederson for Cam Neely (Canucks). +++. Any questions? + +Greg Hawgood for Vladimir Ruzicka (Oilers). ++. Didja see that one Rosie +roofed against Roy in last year's playoffs? + +Courtnall/Ranford for Andy Moog (Oilers). A wash. Moog is a good goaltender, +Ranford burned Boston in the Finals in his first year, and Courtnall always +seems to get his points. Anyone in Vancouver care to comment on Courtnall +as a defensive liability? + +Ken Linseman for Dave Poulin (Flyers) ++. Any more questions? + +Janney/Quintal for Adam Oates (Blues). ++. Janney is an enormous talent and +a personable guy, the the Bruins play in Adam's Division. Enough said? + +So,even if you count the Esposito/Vadnais/Ratelle/Park/I don't remember who +else (Joe Zanussi?) trade as a double minus, Harry the Horse trader comes +out on top. I submit that the Bruins are always good because of Harry, not +in spite of him. + +BTW, do you really think the Habs will bounce back next season. I'll bet +they finish fourth or fifth in the Conference, behind any of the following: +Pittsburgh, Quebec, Boston, Washington, Islanders. Someone correct me if +these five teams will not be in Montreal's conference. + +In summary, things look bleak for the Habs, at least in the near future. I +suspect that the next team from La Belle Province to win the Cup will be +that team that Lindros didn't want to play for. + + +-- +Dan Lyddy daniell@cory.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley",10 +" +Digi-Key also sells Quad Line Receivers, parts DS1489AN (68cents) and DS1489N +(48cents). A Quad Line Driver, part DS1488 (48cents), is also sold. I guess +if you don't won't to supply +12V, the chips with the pump-up circuitry might +be worth the extra cost. But 1488's and 1489's are available at your friendly +neighborhood RS, parts MC1488 (276-2520) for $1.29 and MC1489 (276-2521) for +$1.29.",12 +"""Jack Previdi"" writes, in reply to Dorothy Heydt +reminding us that advertising is not done on Internet: + + As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. + Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, + many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial + use of Internet is no more. + +Jack, there is a difference between using the network for commercial +purposes and advertising in newsgroups. Business communication is +okay. Advertising to hundreds of thousands of users around the planet +who have no desire to receive advertising is not okay. + + Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only + by our innate good taste and no have no ""administrator"" to + guide(?) us. + +I suspect that a site which generated a large volume of material not +in anybody's good taste would find itself getting a lot of attention +it didn't want. You may belong to the public library, but that +doesn't mean you can deface the books, disorder the stacks, or disturb +the other patrons. + +You're constrained by the same rules that the rest of the users (many +academic and military, who get irritable about a network for which +they pay with tax and grant money carrying private business +advertising) follow. There are Secret Masters here, just like +everywhere else. They're not as obvious as the ones on Prodigy, but +they're here. + +No doubt at some point the Internet, like everything else, will become +grotty enough to carry advertising. At that time I hope it is +confined to its own newsgroups and not on discussion groups---like +misc.writing. +",6 +"From article , by Steve Frampton : + +Yes! In the usual ftp sites.",2 +"I have an HP 1815 TDR plug-in for an HP180 series scope or mainframe +that I'm never going to use (no scope any more). If you're interested +in it, please let me know. Price? Probably real cheap. + +This notice may have appeared once before. I posted, and it never showed +up on our local server... + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) + SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) + Intergraph Corp. + M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com + Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin + + ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******",12 +"Anybody know of an IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows? I need to be able to display +ComputerVision IGES files on a PC running Windows 3.1. Thanks in advance.",1 +" +The key word is `spilled'. If semen was spilled anywhere where there +was a chance of procreation it was OK. If it was spilt on the ground or +in to a man it was a big sin, ditto with animals. The jews said sex=pro- +creation. + +Homosexuals didn't breed, there fore they are evil and should be stoned +to death. + + + + +Stoning non-breeding population was fine. Only the breeders were +considered to be worth much. + + + +Xavier",18 +" +Could someone please send me the postal and email address of +Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have). + +Thank you. +-- +snail@lsl.co.uk ",5 +"Here is the Colorado Rockies openning day cast: + +Pitchers +-------- +Scott Aldred (L) MLB Totals 31 games, 6-14, 5.08 ERA, 0 saves +Andy Ashby (R) 18 games, 2-8, 6.72 ERA, 0 saves +Willie Blair (R) 67 games, 10-15,4.57 ERA, 0 saves +Butch Henry (L) 28 games, 6-9, 4.02 ERA, 0 saves +Darren Holmes (R) 95 games, 5-9, 4.10 ERA, 9 saves +David Neid (R) 6 games, 3-0, 1.17 ERA, 0 saves +Jeff Parrett (R) 341 games, 46-30,3.65 ERA,21 saves +Steve Reed (R) 18 games, 1-0, 2.30 ERA, 0 saves +Bruce Ruffin (L) 223 games, 43-64,4.31 ERA, 3 saves +Bryn Smith (R) 354 games,106-90,3.44 ERA, 6 saves +Gary Wayne (L) 147 games, 8-8, 3.44 ERA, 3 saves + +The rest",9 +"Is that the low-end configuration? If it is, it has the 68LC040 (no FPU), as +opposed to all the other configurations with a 68RC040 (has an FPU). Be sure +you know what you are getting before you buy!!! The 68RC040 is around +$350-$400 right now, if you intend to upgrade it from a 68LC040.",4 +"I am currently using POVRay on Mac and was wondering if anyone in netland +knows of public domain anti-aliasing utilities so that I can skip this step +in POV, very slow on this machine. Any suggestions, opinions about +post-trace anti-aliasing would be greatly appreciated.",1 +" +An open letter to Marc Afifi + + +Dear Marc, + I believe that you are wrong about Mr. Freeman. He has written in +a style that raises the level of posts on this board. If you just don't seem +to get it, I believe that it is more of a reflection of you and your abilities +than of him. His posts contain substance and and he defends his positions +well. + Having said this, I would like to ask in general for people on this +board to realize that if they don't agree with the substance of posts, then they should respond to the substance (or lack of) of the posts rather than attack +the author of the posts. When one has to resort to attacking a poster rather than what he/she has written, one can see that that person does not have the +ability to make a coherent argument concerning the post. + +Peace, +",17 +"The subject line says it all -- I'm trying to locate a copy of SPI's +board game ""War of the Ring."" Anyone have a copy with which they are +willing to part? + +Thanks a million ...",6 +" + +Not recommended. Your circuit would take too much current, when +telephone is on-hook. Telephone company does not like it. + +",12 +"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister +and mother."" ",15 +" + + + +I have the same problem and was about to post this.... + +Hello duo owners (and Apple technical people :-) + +I have a new duo 230 which appears to have a problem waking up from +sleep when running on battery power. When woken (usually for the second +time) after sleeping, the wake fails and the screen appears with a +corrupted image of broken horizontal lines and control can only be +recovered with control-command-poweron or the reset key at the back of +the machine. The problem occurs even when the system is stock standard +(no extensions, no virtual memory, a fully charged new battery, system 7.1 +etc). I have not had the problem when the machine is plugged in to AC. +I've checked that the battery is properly seated (it appears to be fine). + +What's going on here ? Anyone else had this problem ? Is it software or +hardware ? + +If you have a duo 230 and a bit of time, try repeatedly sleeping and +waking the machine on battery power and let me know if you see the same +behaviour (and let Apple know too !). + +Many thanks to anyone who can clear this one up for me. + +Bruce + + + + +",4 +"I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it +RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image. +The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with +them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV?? + + +Thanks,",1 +"What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used +GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is +gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to +work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run +GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's +versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and +where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS + cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc",2 +"An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info +World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower +than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler +and PhotoShop for Windows. David + +",1 +" +Short of changes by the feds, there is no way. Codeine alone is very +difficult to prescribe without a lot of hassles. Tylenol #3 is the +best compromise. That way he can get refills. The amount of acetominophen +he is getting with his codeine won't hurt him any. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +" +As I heard the story, before Albert came up the the theory +o'relativity and warped space, nobody could account for +Mercury's orbit. It ran a little fast (I think) for simple +Newtonian physics. With the success in finding Neptune to +explain the odd movments of Uranus, it was postulated that there +might be another inner planet to explain Mercury's orbit. + +It's unlikely anything bigger than an asteroid is closer to the +sun than Mercury. I'm sure we would have spotted it by now. +Perhaps some professionals can confirm that. +",14 +" +Linares has not defected; as I pointed out, MLB requires that the player +defect first. + + +What a surprise. As long as the pool of talent is not accessible to all +teams, MLB won't let a few teams sign it. Seems perfectly reasonable to +me. + + +Except that MLB won't allow it, which is all I ever said.",10 +"Hi Christian friends, + +My name is Joel, I have a sister who's 25th birthday is tomorrow.....She +used to be on fire for the Lord, but somehow, for some reason, she +became cold....she don't want to associate anymore with her old +christian friends.........so I thought maybe some of you could help her +out again by sending her a postcard or card with a little message of +encouragement.....hand written is okay....her address is 3150 Hobart +Ave. San Jose Ca. 95127........... + +Thank you and God Bless. + +PS: Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!!! ",15 +"Hi, + +I found what I believe is an undocumented feature in my windows directory, +Microsoft Diagnostics, ver 2.00. I am specifically interested in a more +in depth explanation of the legends in the memory mapping report. + +Thanks.",2 +" +Let's see, if Alexander destroyed Tyre, and people move back, and +they construct houses, and after a while 14000 people live there +and still call it Tyre, it is not considered to be rebuilt. Instead +it's considered to be 'just-some-people-that-got-together-for-fishing- +and-they-needed-houses' place. + + +Sigh, I was never born in a city then (my home town has 10.000 +people). I have to consult my city and inform them that it's from +now a fishing village. When this city (Kristinestad) was founded +in the 17:th century about 1000 people lived there, so the norms +were even more bizarre for dumb Swedish queens who founded cities +along the coast of Finland. + +I would like to know why Paul thought is was worth mentioning the +small fishing place of Tyre in Acts. Again, maybe he was a keen +fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of Tyre? :-) + +Cheers, +Kent",19 +"[Note, Ohio legislation unlike Federal legislation, shows the entire +law as it would be changed by the legislation. These parts are in +ALL CAPITALS, the rest (i.e., current law is in regular type)]. + +AS INTRODUCED + +120TH GENERAL ASEMBLY + +REGULAR SESSION H. B. NO. 278 + +1993-1994 + +REPRESENATIVE BEATTY + +A BILL + +To amend sections2923.11, 2923.17,and 2923.20 and +to enact section 2923.181 of the Revised Code +to expand the defintion of dangerous ordnance to +include military weapons that do not use bolt +action, to increase the penalty for a violation +of the prohibition against possession of +dangerous ordnance, to prohibit any person from +acquiring a military weapon on or after the act's +effective date, to require the licensure of +military weapons acquired for aproper purpose +prior to the act's effective dte, to prohibit a +person from importing, manufacturing, or selling +a military weapon, and to declare an emergency. + +BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF OHIO: + +Section 1. That sections 2923.11, 2923.17 and 2923.20 be + +amended and section 2923.181 of the Revised Code be enacted to + +read as follows: + + Sec. 2923.11. As used in section 2923.11 to 2923.24 of +the Revised Code: + (A) ""deadly weapon"" means any instrument, device, or thing +capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted +for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon. + (B)(1) ""firearm"" means any deadly weapon capable of +expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of +an explosive or combustible propellant. ""firarms"" includes an +unloaded firearm, and any firearm which is inoperable but which +can readily be rendered operable. + (2) When determining whether a firearm is capable of +expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of +an explosive or combustible propellant, the trier of fact may +rely upon circumstancial evidence, including, but not limited to, +the representations and actions of the individual exercising +control over the firearm. + (C) ""Handgun"" means any firearm designed to be fired while +held in one hand. + (D) ""Semi-automatic firearm"" means any firearm designed or +specially adapted to fire a single cartridge and automatically +chamber a suceeding cartridge ready to fire, with a single +function of the trigger. + (E) ""Automatic firearm"" means any firearm designed or +specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a +single function of the trigger. ""Automatic firearm"" also means +any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire +more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a +firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle +cartridges. + (F) ""Sawed-off firearm"" means a shotgun with a barrel less +than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than +sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six +inches long overall. + (G) ""Zip-gun"" means any of the following: + (1) Any firearm of crude and extemporized manufacture; + (2) Any device, including without limitation a starter's +pistol, not designed as a firearm, but which is specially adapted +for use as a firearm; + (3) Any industrial tool, signalling device, or safety +device, not designed as a firearm, but which as designed is +capable of use as such A FIREARM, when possessed, carried, or +used as a firearm. + (H) ""Explosive device"" means any device designed or +specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property +by means of an explosion, and consisting of an explosive +substance or agency and a means to detonate it. ""Explosive +device"" includes without limitation any bomb, any explosive +demolition device, any blasting cap or detonator containing an +explosive charge, and any pressure vessel which has been +knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode. + (I) ""Incendiary device"" means any firebomb, and any device +designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons +or property by means of fire, and consisting of an incendiary +substance or agency and a means to ignite it. + (J) ""Ballistic knife"" means a knife with a detachable +blade that is propelled by a spring-operated mechanism. + (K) ""Dangerous ordinance"" means any of the following, +except as provided in division (L) of this section: + (1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearms. zip-gun, or +ballistic knife; + (2) Any explosive device or incendiary device; + (3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, +cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, +tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high +explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting +gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid- +oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting +agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient +brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a +military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, +or demolitions; + (4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece +grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and +manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that +weapon; + (5) Any firearm muffler or silencer; + (6) ANY MILITARY WEAPON; + (7) ANY DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, MAGAZINE, DRUM, BELT, FEED +STRIP, OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT READILY +CAN BE RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS +OF AMMUNITION; + (8) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner +for use in converting any firearm or other device into a +dangerous ordinance. + (L) ""Dangerous ordnance"" does not include any of the +following: + (1) Any firearm, including a military weapon and the +ammunition for that weapon, and regardless of its actual +age, which employs a percussion cap or other obsolete ignition +system or which is designed and safe for use only with black +powder, and + (2) Any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, designed or suitable +for sporting purposes, UNLESS THE FIREARM IS EITHER OF THE +FOLLOWING; + (a) A military weapon as issued or as modified, and the +ammunition for that weapon; + (b) AN automatic or sawed-off firearm. + (3) Any cannon or other artilery piece which, +regardless of its actual age, is of a type in accepted use prior +to 1887, has no mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or other system +for absorbing recoil and returning the tube into battery without +displacing the carriage, and is designed and safe for use only +with black powder; + (4) Black powder, priming quills, and percussion caps +possessed and lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in +division (L) (3) of this section during displays, celebrations, +organized matches or shoots, and target practice, and smokeless +and black powder, primers, and percussion caps possed and +lawfully used as a propellant or ignition device in small-arms or +small-arms ammunition; + (5) Dangerous ordinance which is inoperable or inert and +cannot readily be rendered operable or activated, and which is +kept as a trophy, souvenir, curio, or museum piece. + (6) Any device which is expressly excepted from the +definition of a destructive device pursuant to the ""Gun Control +Act of 1968,"" 82 Stat. 1213, 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4), as amended, and +regulations issued under that act. + (M) ""MILITARY WEAPON' MEANS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING; + (1) ANY FIREARM THAT ORIGINALLY WAS MANUFACTURED FOR +MILITARY USE, OR A COPY OF ANY SUCH FIREARM, IF THE FIREARM IS +NOT A BOLT ACTION FIREARM; + (2) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A +SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A RIFLE OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY OF +ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM +AND IS A RIFLE; + (a) ARMALITE AR-180; + (b) AUTO-ORDNANCE THOMPSON MODELS 1927A1 AND M-1; + (c) AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOV; + (d) POLY TECH AK-47S; + (e) CHINA SPORTS AK-47 BULLPUP; + (f) MITCHELL AK-47 AND M-76 + (g) BARRETT LIGHT-FIFTY MODEL 82A1; + (h) BARETTA AR-70; + (i) BUSHMASTER AUTO RIFLE; + (j) CALICO M900 AND M-100 + (k) COLT AR-15 + (l) COMMANDO ARMS CARBINE, MARK 111, MARK 45, AND MARK 9; + (m) UNIVERSAL 5000 CARBINE, ENFORCER; + (n) AMERICAN ARMS ARM-1 AND AKY 39; + (o) DAEWOO MAX-1 AND MAX-2; + (p) FABRIQUE NATIONALE FN/FAL, FN/LAR. AND FN/FNC; + (q) FAMAS MAS 223; + (r) FEATHER AT-9; + (s) FEDERAL KC-900 AND XC-450 + (t) GALIL AR AND ARM; + (u) GONCZ HIGH-TECH CARBINE; + (v) HECKLER AND KOCH HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, AND PSG-1; + (w) MANDALL TAC-1 CARBINE + (x) RUGER MINI 14/SF FOLDING STOCK MODEL; + (y) SIG 57 AMT AND 500 SERIES; + (z) SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SAR-48, G-3, BM-59 ALPINE, AND M1A + +CARBINE; + (aa) STERLING MK-6 AND MARK 7; + (bb) STEYR AUG; + (cc) UZI CARBINE AND MINI-CARBINE; + (dd) VALMET M-62S, M-76, M-78, AND M82 BULLPUP CARBINE; + (ee) WEAVER ARMS NIGHTHAWK; + (ff) MILITARY M14 AND MILITARY M1 CARBINE .30; + (gg) SPRINGFIELD ARMORY M1A ASSAULT; + (hh) THOMPSON 27A-5 WITH DRUM MAGAZINE; + (ii) PLAINFIELD COMMANDO UNIVERSE 5000 CARBINE; + (jj) COBRAY M-11 WITH OR WITHOUT SILENCER; + (kk) SPECTRE AUTO CARBINE; + (ll) SWD COBRAY; + (mm) ARMI JAGER AP-74 AND AP-74 COMMANDO; + (nn) ARMSCORP OF AMERICA ISRAELI FN-FAL; + (oo) CLAYCO SKS CARBINE; + (pp) DRAGUNOV SNIPER; + (qq) EMF AP-74; + (rr) IVER JOHNSON PM30 P PARATROOPER; + (ss) NORINCO SKS; + (tt) PARTISAN AVENGER; + (uu) SIGARMS SG 550 SP AND SG 551 SP; + (vv) SQUIRES BINGHAM M 16; + (ww) WILKINSON ""TERRY"" CARBINE. + + (3) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A +SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A PISTOL OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY +OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM +AND IS A PISTOL: + + (a) BUSHMASTER AUTO PISTOL; + (b) CALICO 100-P AUTO PISTOL; + (c) EBCIN NJ-IV, MP-9, AND MP-45; + (d) FEATHER MINI-AT; + (e) GONCZ HIGH TECH PISTOL' + (f) HOLMES MP-83 AND MP-22; + (g) INTRATEC TEC-9 AND SCORPION .22; + (h) IVER JOHNSON ENFORCER; + (i) INGRAM MAC-10 AND MAC-11; + (j) MITCHELL ARMS SPECTRE AUTO; + (k) SCARAB SKORPION; + (l) STERLING MK-7; + (m) UZI PISTOL; + (n) UNIVERSAL ENFORCER; + (o) WILKINSON ""LINDA"" AUTO PISTOL. + + (4) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A +SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A SHOTGUN OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY +OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM +AND IS A SHOTGUN: + + (a) FRANCHI SPAS-12 AND LAW-12; + (b) STRIKER 12 AND STREET SWEEPER; + (c) BENELLI M1 SUPER 90; + (d) MOSSBERG 500 BULLPUP; + (e) USAS-12 AUTO SHOTGUN. + + Sec. 2923.17. (A)(1) No person shall knowingly acquire, +have, OR carry any dangerous ordnance. + + (2) NO PERSON SHALL KNOWINGLY USE ANY DANGEROUS ORDNANCE. + (B) This section does not apply to ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: + (1) Officers, agents, or employees of this or any other +state or the United States, members of the armed forces of the +United States or the organized militia of this or any other +state, and law enforcement officers, to the extent that any such +person is authorized to acquire, have, carry, or use dangerous +ordnance and is acting within the scope of his duties; + (2) Importers, manufacturers, dealers, and users of +explosives, having a license or user permit issued and in effect +pursuant to the ""Organized Crime Control Act of 1970,"" 84 Stat. +952, 18 U.S.C. 843, and any amendments or additions TO or +reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to explosives and +explosive devices lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used +under the laws of this state and applicable federal law; + (3) Importers, manufactuers, and dealers having a license +to deal in destructive devices or their ammunition, issued and in +effect pursuant to the ""Gun Control Act of 1968,"" 82 Stat. 1213. +18 U.S.C. 923 and any amendments or additions TO or +reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to dangerous +ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used under the +laws of this state and applicable federal law; + (4) Persons to whom surplus ordnance has been sold, +loaned, or given by the secretary of the army pursuant to 70A +Stat. 62 and 263, 10 U.S.C. 4684, 4685, 4686, and any +amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF THAT ACT, with +respect to dangerous ordnance when lawfully possessed and used +for the purpose specified in THAT section; + (5) Owners of dangerous ordnance registered in the +national firearms registration and transfer record pursuant to +the act of October 22, 1968, 82 Stat.1229, 26 U.S.C. 5841, and +any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF, and +regulations issued UNDER THE ACT. + (6) Carriers, warehousemen, and others engaged in the +business of transporting or storing goods for hire, with respect +to dangerous ordnance lawfully transported or stored in the usual +course of their business and in compliance with the laws of this +state and applicable federal law; + (7) The holders of a license or temporary permit issued +and in effect pursuant to section 2923.18 of the Revised Code, +with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, +carried, or used for the purposes and in the manner specified in +THE license or permit. + (C) DIVISION (A)(1) OF THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO THE +ACQUISITION, HAVING, OR CARRYING OF DANGEROUS ORDNANCE THAT IS A +MILITARY WEAPON IF BOTH OF THE FOLLOWING APPLY: + (1) THE PERSON WHO ACQUIRES, HAS, OR CARRIES THE DANGEROUS +ORDNANCE IN QUESTION ACQUIRED IT BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF +THIS AMENDMENT AS A COLLECTOR'S ITEM OR FOR A LEGITIMATE +RESEARCH, SCIENTIFIC, EDUCATIONAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR OTHER PROPER +PURPOSE; + (2) NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE SEVENTH DAY +AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT, THE PERSON WHO +ACQUIRED THE DANGEROUS ORDNANCE IN QUESTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH +DIVISION (C)(1) OF THIS SECTION SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION PURSUANT +TO SECTION 2923.181 OF THE REVISED CODE FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND +CARRY IT AND THE APPLICATION HAS NOT BEEN DENIED OR A VALID +LICENSE HAS BEEN ISSUED TO THE PERSON. + (D) DIVISIONS (A)(1) AND (2) OF THIS SECTION DO NOT APPLY +TO THE ACQUISITION, HAVING, CARRYING, OR USING OF ANY DANGEROUS +ORDNANCE DESCRIBED IN DIVISION (k)(7) OF SECTION 2923.11 OF THE +REVISED CODE THAT WAS ACQUIRED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF +THIS AMENDMENT. + (E) Whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful +possession of dangerous ordnance, a AN AGGRAVATED felony of the +FIRST degree. + Sec. 2923.181. (A) ANY PERSON WHO ACQUIRED A MILITARY +WEAPON BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION SHALL FILE A +WRITTEN APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY THE MILITARY +WEAPON WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR SAFETY DIRECTOR OR +POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHERE THE APPLICANT +RESIDES OR HAS HIS PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. THE APPLICATION +SHALL BE FILED NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE SEVENTH +DAY AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION AND SHALL BE +ACCOMPANIED BY A FILING FEE OF FIFTY DOLLARS. THE PERSON SHALL +FILE A SEPARATE APPLICATION AND PAY A SEPARATE FILING FEE FOR +EACH MILITARY WEAPON THAT HE HAS OR INTENDS TO CARRY. THE +APPLICATION SHALL CONTAIN ALL OF THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION: + (1) THE NAME, AGE, ADDRESS, OCCUPATION, AND BUSINESS +ADDRESS OF THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT IS A NATURAL PERSON, +OR THE NAME, ADDRESS, AND PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS OF THE +APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT IS A CORPORATION; + (2) A DESCRIPTION OF THE MILITARY WEAPON FOR WHICH A +LICENSE IS REQUESTED, INCLUDING THE SERIAL NUMBER AND ALL +IDENTIFICATION MARKS; + (3) A STATEMENT OF THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE MILITARY +WEAPON WAS ACQUIRED AND FOR WHICH IT IS TO BE POSSESSED, CARRIED, +OR USED; + (4) ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE ISSUING AUTHORITY MAY +REQUIRE IN GIVING EFFECT TO THIS SECTION; + (5) THE OATH OF THE APPLICANT THAT THE INFORMATION ON THE +APPLICATION IS TRUE. + (B)(1) NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE +FOURTEENTH DAY AFTER AN APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND +CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON HAS BEEN FILED UNDER DIVISION (A) OF THIS +SECTION, THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL EITHER APPROVE THE +APPLICATION AND ISSUE A LICENSE TO THE APPLICANT OR DENY THE +APPLICATION AND SEND A LETTER OF DENIAL BY ORDINARY MAIL TO THE +APPLICANT. AFTER CONDUCTING ANY NECESSARY INVESTIGATION, THE +ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL ISSUE A LICENSE TO AN APPLICANT WHOM IT +DETERMINES SATISFIES THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: + (a) THE APPLICANT IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER, IF +THE APPLICANT IS A NATURAL PERSON; + (b) IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL POSSESS AND CARRY +THE MILITARY WEAPON AS A COLLECTOR'S ITEM OR FOR A LEGITIMATE, +SCIENTIFIC, EDUCATIONAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR OTHER PROPER PURPOSE; + (c) IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUFFICIENT +COMPETENCE TO HAVE AND CARRY THE MILITARY WEAPON AND THAT PROPER +PRECAUTIONS WILL BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THE SECURITY OF THE MILITARY +WEAPON AND THE SAFETY OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY; + (d) THE APPLICANT OTHERSWISE IS NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW FROM +HAVING OR CARRYING DANGEROUS ORDNANCE. + (2) A LICENSE ISSUED PURSUANT TO DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS +SECTION SHALL BE VALID FOR ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE OF ITS +ISSUANCE. THE LICENSE SHALL BE RENEWED PURSUANT TO DIVISION +(C) OF THIS SECTION. + (C)(1) EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN DIVISION (C)(3) OF THIS +SECTION, ANY PERSON WHO IS ISSUED A LICENSE UNDER DIVISION (B)(1) +OF THIS SECTION SHALL RENEW THE LICENSE BY FILING AN APPLICATION +FOR RENEWAL BY REGULAR MAIL WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR THE +SAFETY DIRECTOR OR POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHO +WAS THE ISSUING AUTHORITY OF THE LICENSE. AN APPLICATION FOR +RENEWAL SHALL BE FILED ANNUALLY NO LATER THAN ONE YEAR AFTER THE +DATE ON WHICH THE LICENSE WAS ISSUED OR LAST RENEWED. + (2) EACH SHERIFF AND EACH SAFETY DIRECTOR AND PEACE OFFICER +OF A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE APPLICATIONS FOR +THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE ISSUED UNDER DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS +SECTION. IN THE APPLICATION THE APPLICANT, UNDER OATH, SHALL +UPDATE THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOR +A LICENSE OR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE. + THE APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE SHALL BE +ACCOMPANIED BY A FEE OF FIVE DOLLARS. THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE A +SEPERATE APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL AND PAY A SEPERATE RENEWAL FEE +FOR EACH MILITARY WEAPON THAT HE INTENDS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE AND +CARRY. + (3) A PERSON WHO HAS CHANGED HIS RESIDENCE OR PRINCIPAL +PLACE OF BUSINESS TO A LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTION OF +THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SUBSEQUENT TO THE ISSUANCE OR RENEWAL OF A +LICENSE UNDER THIS SECTION SHALL RENEW HIS LICENSE BY FILING AN +APPLICATION IN THE MANNER PRESCRIBED BY DIVISION (A) OF THIS +SECTION WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR THE SAFETY DIRECTOR OR +POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHERE HE THEN RESIDES +OR HAS HIS PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. WHEN MAKING AN +APPLICATION TO RENEW A LICENSE AFTER A CHANGE IN RESIDENCE OR +PLACE OF BUSINESS, THE APPLICANT SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE CHANGE +OF ADDRESS BY REGULAR MAIL TO THE ORIGINAL ISSUING AUTHORITY FOR +THE LICENSE AND THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL ON NOTIFICATION FORMS +PRESCRIBED BY THE SHERIFF, SAFETY DIRECTOR, OR POLICE CHIEF FROM +WHOM HE SEEKS RENEWAL. + (D) A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON SHALL +IDENTIFY THE PERSON TO WHOM IT IS ISSUED, IDENTIFY THE MILITARY +WEAPON FOR WHICH IT IS ISSUED, STATE THE PURPOSE IDENTIFIED IN +DIVISION (B)(1)(b) OF THIS SECTION FOR WHICH THE MILITARY WEAPON +WILL BE POSSESSED AND CARRIED, STATE ITS EXPIRATION DATE, AND +LIST ALL RESTRICTIONS ON THE HAVING OR CARRYING OF THE MILITARY +WEAPON AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LAWS OF THIS STATE AND APPLICABLE +FEDERAL LAW. + (E) ANY PERSON WHO IS ISSUED A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A +MILITARY WEAPON UNDER THIS SECTION AND WHO CHANGES HIS ADDRESS +SHALL NOTIFY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY OF THE CHANGE OF HIS ADDRESS +NO LATER THAN NINETY DAYS AFTER THE CHANGE HAS OCCURRED. + (F) THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL FORWARD TO THE STATE FIRE +MARSHALL A COPY OF EACH LICENSE ISSUED OR RENEWED UNDER THIS +SECTION. THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL SHALL KEEP A PERMANENT FILE OF +ALL LICENSES ISSUED OR RENEWED UNDER THIS SECTION. + (G) THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL CAUSE EACH APPLICATION FEE +OF FIFTY DOLLARS, FILED UNDER DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION, TO BE +DEPOSITED IN THE GENERAL FUND OF THE COUNTY OR MUNCIPAL +CORPORATION SERVED BY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY. THE ISSUING +AUTHORITY SHALL CAUSE TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS OF EACH RENEWAL +FEE, FILED UNDER DIVISION (C) OF THIS SECTION, TO BE DEPOSITED IN +THE GENERAL FUND OF THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL CORPORATION SERVED BY +THE ISSUING AUTHORITY AND SHALL SEND TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS +OF EACH RENEWAL FEE TO THE TREASURER OF STATE FOR DEPOSIT IN THE +STATE TREASURY TO THE CREDIT OF THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND. + (H) WHOEVER VIOLATES DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION IS +GUILTY OF FAILING TO APPLY FOR THE LICENSURE OF A MILITARY +WEAPON, A FELONY OF THE FOURTH DEGREE. WHOEVER VIOLATES DIVISION +(C) OF THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF FAILING TO APPLY FOR RENEWAL OF +A LICENSE FOR A MILITARY WEAPON, A MISDEMEANOR OF THE FIRST +DEGREE. + (I) A MILITARY WEAPON THAT IS NOT LICENSED AS REQUIRED BY +THIS SECTION IS CONTRABAND, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 2901.01 OF THE +REVISED CODE AND IS SUBJECT TO FORFEITURE UNDER SECTION 2933.43 +OF THE REVISED CODE. + SEC. 2933.20. (A) No person shall DO ANY OF THE +FOLLOWING: + (1) IMPORT, MANUFACTURE, POSSESS FOR SALE, SELL, OR +FURNISH TO ANY PERSON ANY MILITARY WEAPON; + (2) Recklessly sell, lend, give, or furnish any firearm to +any person prohibited by section 2923.13 or 2923.15 of the +Revised Code from acquiring or using any firearm, or recklessly +sell, lend, give, or furnish any dangerous ordnance to any person +prohibited by section 2923.13, 2923.15, or 2923.17 of the Revised +Code from acquiring or using any dangerous ordnance; + (3) Possess any firearm or dangerous ordnance with +purpose to dispose of it in violation of division (A) of this +section; + (4) Manufacture, possess for sale, sell, or furnish to +any person other than a law enforcement agency for authorized use +in police work, any brass knuckles, cestus, billy, blackjack, +sandbag, switchblade knife, springblade knife, gravity knife, or +similar weapon; + (5) When transferring any dangerous ordnance to +another, negligently fail to require the transferes to exhibit +ANY identification, license, or permit showing him to be +authorized to acquire dangerous ordnance pursuant to section +2923.17 of the Revised Code, or negligently fail to take a +complete record of the transaction and forthwith forward a copy +of THE record to the sheriff of the county or safety +director or police chief of the municipality where the +transaction takes place; + (6) Knowingly fail to report to law enforcement +authorities forthwith the loss or theft of any firearm or +dangerous ordnance in such person's possession or under his +control. + (b) Whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful +transactions in weapons. Violation of division (A)(1) OF THIS +SECTION IS AN AGGRAVATED FELONY OF THE FIRST DEGREE. VIOLATION +OF DIVISION (A)(2) OR (3) Oof this section is a felony of the +third degree. Violation of division (A) (4) OR (5) of this +section is a misdemeanor of the second degree. Violation of +division (6) of this section is a midemeanor of the fourth +degree. + Section 2. That existing section 2923.11, 2923.17 and +2923.20 of the Revised Code are hereby repealed. + Section 3. This act is hereby declared to be an emergency +measure necessary for the immediate preservation of the public +peace, health, and safety. The reason for this necessity is that +with immediate action, this act will prohibit the continued +purchase, possession, and use of military weapons and as a result +will ameliorate a substantial threat of death and injury to the +public caused by the misuse of improper use of these weapons. +Therefore, this act shall go into immediate effect.",16 +" + + A human has greater control over his/her actions, than a +predominately instictive tiger. + + A proper analogy would be: + + If you are thrown into a cage with a person and get mauled, do you +blame that person? + + Yes. [ providing that that person was in a responsible frame of +mind, eg not clinicaly insane, on PCB's, etc. ] + +--- + + ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that + say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more + virile men."" + + Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) + April 4, 1993",0 +" +I like my power windows. I think they're worth it. + +However, cruise control is a pretty dumb option. What's the point? +If you're on a long trip, you floor the gas and keep your eyes on +the rear-view mirror for cops, right? + +Power seats are pretty dumb too, unless you're unlucky enough to have +to share your car. Otherwise, you'd just adjust it once and just leave +it like that. +",7 +"I posted this over in sci.astro, but it didn't make it here. +Thought you all would like my wonderful pithy commentary :-) + +What? You guys have never seen the Goodyear blimp polluting +the daytime and nightime skies? + +Actually an oribital sign would only be visible near +sunset and sunrise, I believe. So pollution at night +would be minimal. + +If it pays for space travel, go for it. Those who don't +like spatial billboards can then head for the pristine +environment of Jupiter's moons :-) +",14 +" +Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial +thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use +unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists +whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit +out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers. + +(Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA +electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that +he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic +genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out +binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence +that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for +Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in +so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into +the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were +much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was +recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created. +Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me, +Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.) + + +I'm not sure that it's random. But there is no known rational mechanism +for generating a rich set of interesting hypotheses. If you are really +working in an unknown area, it is unlikely that you will have much sense +of what might or might not be true; under those circumstances, the best +thing to do is just follow whatever instincts you have. If they are wrong, +you will find out soon enough; but at least, you will find out _something_. +If you try to do experiments at random, with no prior conceptions at all +in mind, you will probably get nowhere. + + +Unfortunately, the critical function does sometimes become hostage to +non-rational forces. Then we get varieties of pathological science: +Lysenko, Mirsky's opposition to DNA-as-gene, cold fusion, and so forth. + + +I don't agree that this follows. In fact, this is _exactly_ the point at +which I disagree with Feyerabend. It is a most important part of the +culture of science that one keeps one's jealousies out of the refereeing +process. Failures there are aplenty, but, on the whole, things work out. + +Another point: there are a couple of senses of the phrase ``experimental +design''. I'd say that the less rational part is in experimental _choice_, +not design. Alexander Fleming (Proc. Royal Soc., 1922) chose to look for +bacteriophage in his own mucus for strange reasons (Phage had previously +been found in locust diarrhea; Fleming probably thought runny bottom, runny +nose, what the hell, it's worth a try.) but his method of looking for phage +was well-designed to detect anything phage-like; in fact, he found lysozyme. + + +It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational. Perhaps +you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out +for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first +advanced from logical grounds. The main examples I can think of are from +modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole.",13 +"Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated + which includes shipping and handling. + + Achtung baby U2 * + Joshua tree U2 ** + The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12 + Love hurts Cher * + Garth brooks Garth brooks * + Red hot ..chilli peppers.. ** + OOOOOHHHHH TLC ** + Light and shadows wilson ** + + * Used only once. + ** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps + + Please email to",6 +" + + + +There is a library of map projections in: + + charon.er.usgs.gov + +in",1 +" + + With relays alone, you will always get a transient when +you abruptly turn ON or OFF any channel. If you don't want to hear +the transient, use some other device (a photoresistor-output optoisolator +is the usual sort of thing) to gently MUTE the signal, then switch, +THEN remove the power from the lamp in the optoisolator. + + It used to be standard practice to employ photoresistors +in switching audio, because the photoresistor time delay (a few +thousandths of a second) kept any noise in the digital side (which +drives the lamp) from contaminating the audio. And, the devices +are cheaper than relays.",12 +,13 +"Are there any X window servers that can run under MS-Windows?? I only know of +Deskview but have not seen it in action. Are there any others?? + +Thanks in advance.",2 + ,15 +"As nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous +question ""WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUT MSG IN ALMOST EVERY FOOD?"" I must assume +that my wife's answer is closer to the truth than I hoped it was. + +She believes that MSG is added to food to cause people to eat more of it +and not quit when they shoud be sated. To put it a different way, she +believes that for some people MSG causes them to act toward food like an addict. +(Eat all the chips, chow down on several packages of noodle soup .... you get the +idea! } IF she is right, then the moral and ethical standards of the +food, chemical and regulatory groups need to be addressed!!! Can MSG +be considered a conditioning substance (not addictive but sort of habit +forming) ? + +This brings up a side question of mine. I have noticed that cats (my +children's and my parent's) seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet +food. The cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other +brand. I have wondered if this is not a case of preference, but, some +sort of chemical training or addiction. My questions, for the net, are: +Does the FDA regulate the contents of pet food? Is it allowed for pet +food to contain addictive or conditioning substances? Is MSG put in +pet food? + +----------------------------------- +I speak for myself and not Motorola +----------------------------------- + ",13 +"I recently backed out of purchasing an almost-unused Sony TCD-D3 DAT +Walkman, having found someone else who has a unit I personally prefer (and am +paying more for). However, it's still a heck of a machine for the price -- it +is quite rugged, and many people out there swear by it. (It's probably the +most popular walkman-style DAT machine out there.) + + Anyway, the guy selling it is Bryan Davis (bdavis@netcom.com), and +here's what he told me: + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Here is what is included: + - TCD-D3 DATman. + - (2) RCA to Stereo 1/8"" plug cables. One for analog input, one for + analog output. + - Optical digital I/O cable (one lead for input, one for output). + - A copy of my sales receipt with a note about your purchase. The + unit is still under factory warrantee. + - AC adaptor/battery charger. + - Rechargable battery. + +I paid $750 + tax for it so I hope you don't mind if I keep the 60 minute +tape it came with (I have some samples on it!). + +[By the way, he spent at least $100 too much for it, unless he's including an + extended warranty, which is advised for DAT machines, since it costs about + $300 to replace the head when it wears out, and it probably will within 5 + years if you use it a lot.. -- davisonj] +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + I'm not going to quote my sale price for him: that would not be nice. +Send him mail and ask him what he wants. + + Again, I've used the TCD-D3, and I have to say that I can certainly +understand why it is as popular as it is. I've been using one for a little +while, and although I had some problems with it recently, I should also point +out that the particular one I was using had been on the road for two years and +had truly been _used_ during that time. (This is the same exact DAT machine +that was lugged around the U.S. and Canada to record the Jazz Butcher +Conspiracy for their recent live album.) + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +I know at least half a dozen professional musicians and record labels +in S.F who use that model (and have been for a while) with no reported +problem. My problem is that everyone I know already has one. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + 'nuff said. + + The reason I'm not getting it is that I found someone else selling me a +unit that features phono-plug SPDIF I/O instead of optical (I don't have any +optical ports on my equipment, but you, the reader, might), and it also has +some other bells & whistles that the TCD-D3 doesn't. (I am also paying more +for the alternative.) Note that phono-plug-to-optical SPDIF adapters are +available if you absolutely must have one. + + Of course, it has SCMS. All consumer decks do. (So do Sony Minidiscs, +by the way.) + + Anyway, if you're interested, get in touch with bdavis@netcom.com. +",6 +"From article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: + +Only irrational fools such as yourself are set against RKBA. There are +*plenty* of people who support it. + + +The government will be overthrown *long* before that happens. A *huge* +millitia composed of all available men and women who care about their +country will defeat the forces of the evil Klintonistas. The people +*will* prevail! + +Oh, so you think armed citizens alone can't overthrow the government? +Consider this: do you think *all* law enforcement officials and members +of the Armed Forces will turn against the people that they are entrusted +to serve? Not hardly. You can count on a lot of people in the Army, +Marines, Air Force, Navy, National Guard, police officers, and so on +joining in the cause to defend the liberties and freedoms of American +citizens. COUNT ON IT! THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISARM +EVERYONE WITHOUT STARTING A CIVIL WAR! + + +Wrong again. People will just hide their guns so these ""officers"" +(more like jack-booted stormtroopers) will not be able to find them. + + +They will unless they are idiots. They will realize that if they don't +then they will be *next* including you. Believe me if what you describe +happens they will be coming for *more* than guns. Disarming citizens +would require that everyone's cherished freedoms and liberties be +suspended temporarily. More likely, they'd never be restored unless the +*people* do something about it. + + + +Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot",16 +"As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but +right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money +down a rathole. + When you guys sort this out let me know. +",8 +"Hello, + + I'm the proud owner of an IBM AT without a battery. I know it +hooks into jumper J21, but I need more info so I can replace it. What's +its voltage? Any suggestions for replacement? Where can I get one? Please +respond to : + grisch@uceng.uc.edu +",3 +" + +What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no +flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior +corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. + +I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if +they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to +attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and +governments to break. + +I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about +the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly +satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). + +I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap +doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined +the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. + +I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some +Swiss or anybody Japanese. + +This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would +feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude +that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as +one very famous CEO put it to me one day. + +Just some perspective from another point of view. +",11 +"Where could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically +I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of +the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used. + +Any suggestions? + +Peter +",1 +" +I could never find the Microsoft mouse driver on my Windows 3.1 installation +disks, but DOS 6.0 also has version 8.20 of MOUSE.COM. + + +---",2 +" + +Well said Mr. Beyer :) +",17 +" + + +Since we are in the subject, I have one more question. I have a Trident +8900C Video Card. I want to know what is the latest video driver for it. +So far, all I can find is that an old driver dated Aug. 92 in garbo.uwasa.fi +Anyone have any info ? Please e-mail me at axh113@psuvm.psu.edu",2 +"... + +Haven't you read any of Noam Chomsky's works? A widely used information net +outside the control of the 'right people' is unthinkable. Hundreds of billions +of dollars will be spent to wipe it out, sorry, 'regulate and order it' once +the major media and poitical powers wake up to the efect it can have. + +If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"".",11 +"For those of you looking for information on MS-DOS 6.0's +file system compression API: + +Today I called Microsoft's DOS 6.0 hotline at (800)228-7007. +They told me that the DOS 6.0 Resource Kit had the specifications +for the compression interface. The Resource Kit costs $19.95, +plus tax and $5 shipping. + +I ordered a copy and will post further when I get it and know more +about it. I am posting now because the order turnaround is 15 +working days. + +If anyone knows for sure where's there's a good +source of info on this API, please speak up. I am +slightly skeptical about the Resource Kit's likelihood +of having detailed programming info. + +Mark R. mrr@ripem.msu.edu",11 +"-*---- +I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in +this thread. In case this puzzles people, I would like to expand +on two of her comments. + + +One of the most important (and difficult) aspects of reasoning +about empirical investigation lies in understanding the context, +scope, and importance of the various arguments and pieces of +evidence that are marshalled for a claim. Some errors break the +back of a piece of research, some leave a hole that needs to be +filled in, and some are trivial in their importance. It is a +grave mistake to confuse these. + +Past snippets from this thread: + + + +Back to Lee Lady: + + +These posters are making the mistake that I have previously +criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A ""carefully +designed and controlled study"" is neither always possible nor +always important. (On the other hand, if someone is proposing a +remedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem, we +have enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued *this* kind +of claim to ask for a ""carefully designed and controlled study"" +to alleviate our skepticism.) + +Rules such as ""support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and +controlled study"" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation. +I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be +convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have +occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To +reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from +uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical +problems are notoriously problematic.) ",13 +"Hi, I'm looking for the 3-D studio driver for the + Oak card with 1 M of RAM. + This would be GREATLY (and I mean that) appreciated",1 +" +Version 2.03 drivers are current.",2 +"I saw the following computer in a store and wanted to know if this is a good +computer or does someone see something wrong with it. I also would like to +switch the motherboard later when this computer becomes too slow. Does anyone +know if this is possible with a Leading Edge Computer, or will it be difficult +to find a motherboard that will fit in this computer. Any help will be +greatly appreciated. + + Leading Edge- Model PC4170E + + * Intel 486SX/25 Mhz CPU + * Supports Intel OverDrive clock-Doubling Processors(What is this?) + * Upgradable to 486DX2/66 + * 4 MB RAM upgradable to 32 MB + * 8 KB internal cache + * 1.2 MB 5 1/4"" & 1.44 MB 3.5"" Disk Drives + * 213 MB Hard Drive + * 1024 x 768 VGA Video Resolution + * 1 MB Video RAM 256 Colors + * 6 Available 16-bit ISA expansion Slots + * One local bus socket (16-bit ISA Compatible) + * 4 5.25"" drive bays, 3 external + * One 25-pin Centronics type parallel port + * 2 RS-232C Serial Ports (9 & 25 pin) + * One 15-pin analog video connector + * One PS/2 Compatible mouse port + * 200 Watt power supply + * 101 key keyboard and mouse included + * Software includes Windows 3.1, Dos 5.0, Microsoft Works for Windows + + The store wants $1200 (without monitor) for this. Is it a good price? + + Thanks! +",3 +" + +It would be funny if it wasn't so damn *NASTY*; and as non-xian as I am, +it's hard to believe that someone is pushing black is white and freedom +is slavery so blatantly.",19 +" + + +Well, not to be picky, but the V in VLB stands for VESA. +While the V in VESA stands for video, saying the V in VLB stands +for video is not entirely correct.",3 +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Desertification of the Negev + + +The desertification of the arid Negev +------------------------------------- by Moise Saltiel, I&P March +1990 + +I. The Negev Bedouin Before and After 1948 II. Jewish +Agricultural Settlement in the Negev III. Development of the +Negev's Rural Population IV. Economic Situation of Jewish +Settlements in 1990 V. Failure in Settling the Arava Valley +VI. Failure in Settling the Central Mountains VII. Failure in +Making the Negev ""Bedouinenrein"" (Cleansing the Negev of Bedouins) +VIII. Transforming Bedouin into Low-Paid Workers IX.. Failure +in Settling the ""Development Towns"" X. Jordan Water to the +Negev: A Strategic Asset XI. The Negev Becomes a Dumping +Ground XII. The Dimona Nuclear Plant XIII. The Negev as a +Military Base XIV. The Negev in the Year 2000 + +Just after the creation of the State of Israel, the phrase ""the +Jewish pioneers will make the desert bloom"" was trumpeted +throughout the Western world. After the Six Day War in 1967, David +Ben-Gurion declared in a letter to Charles de Gaulle: ""It's by our +pioneering creation that we have transformed a poor and arid land +into a fertile land, created built-up areas, towns and villages in +abandoned desert areas"". + +Contrary to Ben-Gurion's assertion, it must be affirmed that +during the 26 years of the British mandate over Palestine and for +centuries previous, a productive human presence was to be found in +all parts of the Negev desert - in the very arid hills and valleys +of the southern Negev as well as in the more fertile north. These +were the Bedouin Arabs. + +The real desertification of the Negev, mainly in the southern +part, occurred after Israel's dispossession of the Bedouin's +cultivated lands and pastures. Nowadays, the majority of the +12,800 square-kilometer Negev, which represents 62 percent of the +State of Israel (pre-1967 borders), has been desertified beyond +recognition. The main new occupiers of the formerly Bedouin Negev +are the Israeli army; the Nature Reserves Authority, whose chief +role is to prevent Bedouin from roaming their former pasture +lands; and vast industrial zones, including nuclear reactors and +dumping grounds for chemical, nuclear and other wastes. Israeli +Jews in the Negev today cultivate less than half the surface area +cultivated by the Bedouin before 1948, and there is no Jewish +pastoral activity. + +I. Agricultural and pastoral activities of the Negev Bedouin +before and after 1948 +-------------------------------------------------- In 1942, +according to British mandatory statistics, the Beersheba +sub-district (which corresponds more or less to Israel's Negev, or +Southern, district) had 52,000 inhabitants, almost all Bedouin +Arabs, who held 11,500 camels, 6,000 cows and oxen, 42,000 sheep +and 22,000 goats. + +The majority of the Bedouin lived a more or less sedentary life in +the north, where precipitation ranged between 200 and 350 mm per +year. In 1944 they cultivated about 200,000 hectares of the +Beersheba district - i.e. 16 percent of its total area and *more +than double the area cultivated by the Negev's Jewish settlers +after 40 years of ""making the desert bloom""* + +The Bedouin had a very low crop yield - 350 to 400 kilograms of +barley per hectare during rainy years - and their farming +techniques were primitive, but production was based solely on +animal and human labor. It must also be underscored that animal +production, although low, was based entirely on pasturing. +Production increased considerably during the rainy years and +diminished significantly during drought years. All Bedouin pasture +animals - goats, camels and sheep - had the ability to gain weight +quickly over the relatively rainy winters and to withstand many +waterless days during the hot summers. These animals were the +result of a centuries-old process of natural selection in harsh +local conditions. + +After the creation of the State of Israel, 80 percent of the Negev +Bedouin were expelled to the Sinai or to Southern Jordan. The +10,000 who were allowed to remain were confined to a territory of +40,000 hectares in a region were annual mean precipiation was 150 +mm - a quantity low enough to ensure a crop failure two years out +of three. The rare water wells in the south and central Negev, +spring of life in the desert, were cemented to prevent Bedouin +shepherds from roaming. + +A few Bedouin shepherds were allowed to stay in the central Negev. +But after 1982, when the Sinai was returned to Egypt, these +Bedouin were also eliminated. At the same time, strong pressure +was applied on the Bedouin to abandon cultivation of their fields +in order that the land could be transferred to the army. + +No reliable statistics exist concerning the amount of land held +today by Negev Bedouin. It is a known fact that a large part of +the 40,000 hectares they cultivated in the 1950s has been seized +by the Israeli authorities. Indeed, most of the Bedouin are now +confined to seven ""development towns"", or *sowetos*, established +for them.",17 +"Re: Space billboards + +Even easier to implement than writing messages on the Moon, once upon +a time a group of space activists I belonged to in Seattle considered +a ""Goodyear Blimp in orbit"". The idea was to use a large structure +that could carry an array of lights like the Goodyear Blimp has. +Placed in a low Earth orbit of high inclination, it could eventually +be seen by almost everyone on Earth. Only our collective disapproval +of cluttering up space with such a thing stopped us from pursuing +it. It had quite feasible economics, which I will not post here +because I don't want to encourage the idea (if you want to do such +a thing, go figure it out for yourself). + +Dani Eder +",14 +"I have an NEC multisync 3d monitor for sale. great condition. looks new. it is +.28 dot pitch +SVGA monitor that syncs from 15-38khz + +it is compatible with all aga amiga graphics modes. +leave message if interested. make an offer.",6 +"... + + Before or after his kids were shot? + + + Then why make the comment? + + + As did the Jews against the Nazis in WW II: do what I say or die. + + + + ALl humans, I hope. + + + Or perhaps they have: kill first, blame the dead ones, + destroy all the evidence. +",19 +"I never thought I'd contribute to a Gateway thread, either pro or con, but +my spleen could use a little venting. The scenario: + + 1 - Ordered a DX2/50 w/ Ultrastor 34F Local Bus HD controller + 2 - Receive system 10 days after ordering (Happy) + 3 - Discover Ultrastor 14F ISA HD Controller inside (unhappy) + 4 - Call Gateway, receive the correct controller in 5 days + (getting happier) + 5 - New controller doesn't work (unhappy again) + 6 - Call Gateway again, get another controller in 5 more days + (cooling off, the end is in sight) + 7 - This controller doesn't work either, motherboard is bad + (VERY unhappy) + +Gateway's solution: They will order me a new motherboard (5 more days) + and have on-site service install it for me. +BUT, I have to take a day off of work because the service people +only work 9-5 M-f. I say, no way I've already blown about 20 hours +with this, about 10 of them on hold and I don't have the time or $$ +to take a day off work. Also, my 30 day return period is almost over and +I've only been able to use the thin for about 10 minutes. So, the whole +thing is going back. + I was extremely upset when I began this post because the support rep told me +that I would have to pay shipping not only for the returned system, but also +the two hard drive controllers they had sent me. Fortunately, I just spoke +to customer service and they are going to have UPS come and pick everything +up gratis. The only downside is that now I have to order another computer. + +I would really like to try Gateway again, I'm just very turned off by the +prospect of having to try and get through to Customer Service or Tech Support +again... I think their products are great for the most part, but I'm +beginning to wonder if the savings are worth the potential aggravation. +Are other mail order companies as difficult to contact? I know Gateway is +booming, and for good reason, but I don't know if I can take it again. +Oh well, I feel better now... +",3 +"Hi! + +I am looking for the email address of the author to +""A Generic Solution to Polygon Clipping"", +Communication of the ACM, July 1992, Vol. 35, No. 7. +I got information about the author as follows + Mr. Bala R. Vatti + LCEC, 65 River Road, Hudson, N.H. 03051 + email: vatti@waynar.lcec.lockheed +I want to get some related and detailed papers about the +same topic from the author. But I failed to send my email +to the address. Any information is appreciated. + +Thank you very much. + +Best regards.",1 +" + >I recently have become aware that my health insurance includes + >coverage for abortion. I strongly oppose abortion for reasons of + >conscience. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may + >be being used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is + >murder. I would like to request that I be exempted from abortion + >coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly. + +I share Dennis's outrage over a similar manner. I have recently become aware +that my health insurance includes coverage for illness and injuries +suffered by Christians. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums +may be used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is divine +punishment for their sinful conduct. In addition these folks are able to +avail themselves of such alternative therapies as Lourdes, Fatima, +Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn, etc. In any case as ""Jesus Saves' I feel +that there is no reason for them to be covering their bets at my +expense. I would like to request that I be exempted from Christian +coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly.",19 +" +Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.",18 +" + +Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an +astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future of +space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space..",14 +"If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with +identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins +in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking +ties. +",10 +"The package is called Sun and Sand, it includes: + + --5 days/ 4 nights(2+2) accommodations in Orlando and Daytona beach; + + --hotels are selected from major hotel chains and family resorts; + + --two adults and up to three children; + + --fully transferable; + + --expires at 09/93, $20 for extention of one more year; + + --it needs a 45 days advance reservation (esp. for peak season), + the reservation department will offer a coupon book which may + give you saving up to $150. + + --price: I bought it for $199, which is a good deal for peak + seasons. For now, I will not turn down any reasonable offers. + must sell. + +It doesn't include transportation. And you have to pay $3/day for hotel +tax.",6 +"What is the value of an SE (HDFD) 4/20? + +-David",4 +" + +So true. I'm not sure of the basis of the belief, but it was a widely +held belief among the laity of the RC church and their support of it +lead to it being declared to be true. Basically the teaching on infallibility +holds that the pope is infallible in matters of faith and doctrine, the +college of bishops is likewise infallible, and the laity is as well. +The pope gets most of the attention/criticism but the consensus of the +other bodies is equally infallible (according to RC teaching).",15 +"I'm looking for shading methods and algorithms. +Please let me know if you know where to get source codes for that. + +Thanks a lot! + +Thomas + + ++-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ++-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + ",1 +" + + I think the legal term would be ""negligent homicide"" + + + + Well, it's nice to see someone with a brain, a general lack of paranoia, and +a willingness to put his thoughts in public. I tend to agree with all you have +said. + + ""Never assume foul motives when stupidity will do."" -- Jim's Corrolary to + Occam's Razor + +semper fi,",16 +"Hello All, + +I have a PC Transporter for sale. It will work with either an Apple IIe or a +GS. However, I only have the GS installation kit. This PCT also has a +co-processor installed. It comes with the latest software (2.05) and a 3.5 +drive. So what you get is : + +PC Transporter (no problems runs great) +Installation kit for above PCT (GS) with video tape instructions +All needed harware with color adapter for monitor +8087 co processor installed on board +All manuals and software (ver 2.05 AEPC) +one 3.5 800K drive to hook to the PCT (or GS) + + Brian Laakso",6 +"Summer Housing needed-at University of Washington, Seattle. +---------------------------------------------------------- +Hi + + I am looking for a place to stay for the summer +at the University of Washington, Seattle, where I would be +doing an internship. If any of you from UofW Seattle, has +got some kind of space for summer sublet, please send an +email/call to me. + + I expect to start my internship in the first week +of June. + + + -Koshy George + george@cs.umass.edu + +Koshy George, +54, Puffton Village, +Amherst, MA, 01002. +413-549-7373 H +413-545-2014 O",6 +" +How much support do you need? I don't think there's anything +that prohibits you from implementing such a widget, though you +will have to write your own versions of the functions that draw +the 3D shadow and traversal highlighting. +",5 +"Hi Damon, No matter what system or explanation of creation you wish +to accept, you always have to start with one of two premises, creation +from nothing, or creation from something. There are no other +alternatives. And if we accept one or the other of those two +premises, then again there are two alternatives, either creation was +random, or was according to some plan. + If it was random, I am unable to accept that the complex nature of +our world with interrelated interdependent organisms and creatures +could exist as they do. Therefore I am left with creation under the +control of an intelligence capable of devising such a scheme. I call +that intelligence God. + I also prefer the ""Creatio ex nihilo"" rather than from chaos, as it +is cleaner. + There is obviously no way to prove either or neither. We are and +we must have come from somewhere. Choose whatever explanation you +feel most comfortable with, Damon. You are the one who has to live +with your choice. +Shalom, Len Howard +",15 +"an excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy. it switches to +""sport"" mode when the electronics figure it, not when the driver sets +the switch.. which is the proper way to do it, IMO. so what does ""sport"" +mode entail? several things: + +1) revving to red line (or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy) + +2) delayed upshifts. (i.e. if you lift off briefly, it will remain in the + low gear. this is handy if you are charging through corners and + would like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there's + another curve approaching) + +3) part throttle downshifts, based on the *speed* at which the pedal is + depressed, rather than the *position* of the pedal. modern + electronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode. + this is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about + to turn red. my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as + little as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough. + +also, i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage +than a dumb driver with a stick, all else being equal.. remember that +the idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a +big assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to +use for each situation.. how many times have you ridden with an +inattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55/65 in 4th gear (of a +5 speed)? + +how many % of people who drive manuals *really* know what the best +gear to use is for every conceivable situation? i'm sure there will +be some who know, but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with +all possible scenario/ratio combinations stored in ROM is likely to do +better. i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved +wrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout... high gear, +low revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear, high +revs and small throttle opening. the explanation is quite simple if +one sits down to think about it, but not that obvious at first sight. +",7 +"I recently compiled the X11R5pl22 sources using gcc-2.3.3 on +a Sun3/80. Everything seems to work fine. Usually. But at +seemingly random times the server will just hang. I will +click the mouse somewhere (never happens while my back is turned), +and without warning, it will freeze there, requiring the server +to be killed. Sometimes it will run fine for weeks, sometimes +only for minutes. + +(Os: 4.1.1; frame buffer: bw2). + +Has anyone seen this before, any ideas? (anything at all?) + +thanks, + --jeff +",5 +"You have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in Windows than +in DOS - regardless of what communication software you are using. + +Try the following: + 1) Turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to. The + cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine + it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters. + + 2) Use a different UART for your serial line. The old UART's (8250 or 16450) + can only buffer one character internally. The new UART's (16550) can + buffer 16, which should be plenty for most situations. You can run + \windows\msd.exe to find out what UART is on the machine.",2 +" +AAAAAAAAAAAA! RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! + + + +Then why are they in the process of systematically dismantling some of +their socialistic health care systems through privitization of key components? + + +If I hold a gun to your wife, would you respond the same way? I don't +think so. While the age of aquarius may have hit the White House, the +age of peace love and harmony hasn't hit in South Central LA nor has it +hit in former Yugoslavia. And as long as there are people in the world +who would rather see me dead than thrive, I want the protection of a +police force who will keep the peace so I *can* make love without being +shot. + + +The ultimate statement for equal rights (something many of the feminazis +have forgotten) is ""I do not care if you are either a man or a woman, +I do not care if you are black or white, I do not care if you are gay +or straight."" Once you can honistly say ""I do not care about color, +race, or gender or sexual preference"", then we will truly be on the +right track. + +Keep shoving differences in my face and then expect us all to get along? +Get real! So long as you try to make me care if you are black, female, +or whatever, I am going to continue to balk. It's natural human behaviour. + +But the moment employers searching for employees, banks looking to lend +money, and theClinton administration looking for appointees can honistly +say ""I do not care about your color, race, gender, or sexual preferences; +I instend instead to treat you as a human being,"" crap like last year's +riots will continue to happen. + + +Barf. + +You mean the same economic theorists who say things like ""for the sake +of convenience in mathematical modeling we will first assume there is +no wealth creation"" now get a crack at implementing their PhD thesis in +real life? + +Go back to your textbooks on macroeconomic theory. Look in the first chapter +of that book, introducing the field of macroeconomic theory. Right there +in chapter 1, section 1, is a statement like the following: + + ""As it is difficult to predict and model wealth creation, + especially in an economy where wealth creation is inherently + the province of individuals who create new inventions and + discover new ideas, we will assume for the rest of this + book that there is no wealth creation. + + ""We do not assume the lack of weath creation in the real world, + however the mathematical modeling of such an inherently + unpredictable subject is impossible. Even though we assume + no wealth creation, we do believe that for most mathematical + economic modeling such an assumption is reasonably valid + as it allows us to make predictions which then can be tested."" + +So the guys who are running the store for Clinton and company are now +assuming that wealth creation does not exists. They are (borrowing an +idea from the Hitchhiker's Guide) too advanced to think of these simple +things. + +To be honist, I would rather have an engineer with years of experience +building bridges design the next bridge, rather than a theoretical +physicists with a freshly minted PhD and no experience do the same job. + + - Bill Woody",18 +" +This claim was made when someone spotted training film footage spliced into +the footage of the actual spacewalk.",14 +,7 +"I'm giving up hardware design and +am selling my Oscilloscope: + + BK Precision Model 1541B + 40 MHZ Dual-Trace + Barely Used + $450 firm (Fry's sells it for $589+tax) + +Prefer people in Silicon Valley, so I don't have to ship it.",12 +" +Proper counter to this claim: ""Forensic analysis of the WTC bomb by +means of taggants would have been as impossible as semantic analysis +of NYT editorials by means of taggants -- the difficulty in both cases +being to have persuaded the bull to consume the taggants before +production of either item."" +-- ",16 +"=There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your +=body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can +=produce enough of it without supplement. + +And when you're in a technical discussion of amino acids, it's the latter +definition that's used almost universally. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL",13 +" +Portuguese launch complex??? Gosh.... Polish are for American in the +same way as Portuguese are for Brazilians (I am from Brazil). There is +a joke about the Portuguese Space Agency that wanted to send a +Portuguese astronaut to the surface of the Sun (if there is such a thing). +How did they solve all problems of sending a man to the surface of the +Sun??? Simple... their astronauts travelled during the night... + + C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV + +C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov",14 +" +I hope there is something I don't understand about this system, but can +someone tell me how these chips are going to be manufactured while maintaining +each half key under total control of the separate escrow agencies? Don't +both halfs of the key have to come together (in some form) at the time +the chip is constructed? + +Or is it built like a fusable prom, with the chip being sent to the 1st +escrow agency to program its 1/2 key, then the 2nd agency to program its +1/2 key (but who invents the safeguards that prevent the 2nd agency from +reading the information already programmed by the 1st)? + +This isn't intended to be a flame or anything, I am just really curious +how to manufacture these things while still maintaining the key escrow +security without simply saying ""trust the manufacturer, they won't look"".",11 +"Is it possible to buy a serial I/O card with the 16550 UART's built in +(rather than having to buy them separately, and socketing them in)? + +My current I/O card uses 8250's (correct number? The braindead ones anyway). +It also controls two floppy drives, and two IDE hard drives. + +Ideally, I'd like to get a new multi I/O card, that had 2 serial ports with +16550's and could also control another 2 IDE HD's. It would have to have +configurable addresses for both the serial ports, and the IDE controller, so +it could co-exist with my existing card. + +Does such a beast exist? Now the hard part - where can I get one in Australia, +preferably Brisbane?",3 +" + +Well, it's obvious that you *don't* attempt, otherwise you would be aware +that they *don't* all ""loudly [claim] to be the One True Christian"". + +I've tried to avoid using the phrase ""is/is not christian"" because of these +ownership issues; instead, I've tried the phrase ""Nicene christianity"" in an +attempt to identify the vast majority of ""christianity"" which has roughly +similar viewpoints on the core theological issues. The JWs do not fall +within this group and in fact espouse a position known as Arianism, which is +rejected by all the nicene churches and virtually everyone else as well.",0 +"I'm compiling a bibliography on religious perspectives on esotericism, +hermeticism, gnosticism, mysticism, occultism, alchemy and magic, and +am interested in sources that others have found particularly interesting +and insightful. I'm especially interested in medieval works, such as +_The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz_ and Arthurian legends. + +Please feel free, too, to send personal opinions on any of the above, +pro or con or anywhere in between. Thanks much.",15 +"Can someone tell me in 25 words or less how to compile posix +message catalogs so that I can use them with catgets, catopen, etc. +I know what the format for the catalogs is, but don't know how +to compile them. + +Please reply to chas@blackwhite.com + +Thanks in advance, + +chas",5 +"This is the file BIGNUMS.TXT from ripem.msu.edu, last updated April 1993. + +In response to Email requests, I have assembled this list of +large-integer arithmetic packages of which I have heard. +Most of these are C function libraries, available in source form. + +For your convenience, I have placed copies of +some of these on ripem.msu.edu (35.8.1.178). They are +available for anonymous FTP in the directory ""pub/bignum"". +However, what I have may not be the most current version in all cases. + +Here they are, in no particular order: + +mp + Multiple Precision package that comes with some Unixes + + Multiple precision package accessed via -lmp flag on your + compiler. Provides +, -, *, /, gcd, exponentiation, + sqrt. Comes with SunOS, NeXT Mach, BBN Mach 1000, + and probably a few others. See ""man mp"". + Object code only, of course. + +PARI + Henri Cohen, et al., Universite Bordeaux I, Paris, FRANCE + + Multiple precision desk calculator and library routines. + Contains optimized assembly code for Motorola 68020, + semi-optimized code for SPARC, and apparently rather slow + generic C version. Does both integers and reals. + Does vectors and matrices as well as scalars. + Contains a number of advanced functions, some of which I've + never heard of. (""Weber's function""?) + Has a factorization function, primality test, & other related stuff. + Plenty of TEX documentation. + Public domain, but you can't distribute modified versions. + Available via anonymous FTP from math.ucla.edu. There seem to + be Mac- and NeXT-specific versions there in addition to: + Filename: pari-1.35a.tar.Z + +Arithmetic in Global Fields (Arith) + Kevin R. Coombes, David R. Grant + + Package of routines for arbitrary precision integers or + polynomials over finite fields. Includes basic +, -, *, / + and a few others like gcd. Source code in C. + Distributed under the terms of the GNU public license. + Includes man pages and TEX documentation. + Filename: arith.tar.Z + +Arbitrary Precision Math Library + Lloyd Zusman Los Gatos, CA + + C package which supports basic +, -, *, /. Provides for radix + points (i.e., non-integers). Not as polished as the others here. + Posted to comp.sources.misc in October 1988. + Filename: apml.tar.Z + +BigNum + J. Vuillemin, INRIA, FRANCE, and others. + Distributed by Digital Equipment Paris Research Lab (DECPRL) + + A ""portable and efficient arbitrary-precision integer"" package. + C code, with generic C ""kernel"", plus assembly ""kernels"" for + MC680x0, Intel i960, MIPS, NS32032, Pyramid, and of course VAX. + This is probably one of the better-known packages of this type. + Implements +, -, *, /, mod, plus logical operations OR, AND, XOR. + Both signed and unsigned arithmetic available. + Available via email from librarian@decprl.dec.com. + You will receive 5 shell archives. Give your postal address + and you will also receive printed documentation from France. + Package includes TEX documentation. + Publicly available for non-commercial use. + I removed this from my archive when I heard a rumor that PRL + doesn't like others to distribute it. However, BIGNUM *is* + distributed as part of ecpp (see below). + +Lenstra's package + Arjen Lenstra Bellcore + + Portable unsigned integer package written entirely in C. + Includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, mod, primality testing, + sqrt, random number generator, and a few others. The package + was uncommented and undocumented; I have tried to add enough + comments to get by. This is the only of these packages that I + have actually used. It works well and is very portable. + I haven't done any benchmarks against the others, but the code + looks clever & Lenstra is an accomplished number theorist. + Unlike the other packages here, this one requires you to allocate + storage statically--only a problem if your numbers are really huge. + Arjen has placed the code in the public domain. + Filename: lenstra.tar.Z + +lenstra_3.1 + Arjen Lenstra, Bellcore + + An improved version of Arjen's package above. This one + does signed arithmetic and dynamic allocation (which can be turned + off as an option). Has a few new routines, too. ""lenstra_3.1"" contains + minor bugfixes to the previously-available ""lenstra_2"" and ""lenstra_3"". + Filename: lenstra_3.1.c + +bmp (Brent's Multiple Precision?) + R. P. Brent + + 1981 vintage FORTRAN code to do extended precision floating & + fixed point arithmetic. Includes most of the mathematical + functions you'd find in a FORTRAN run-time library. + This code is an ACM algorithm, number 524. + To obtain, send a mail message to netlib@ornl.gov + containing the line ""send mp.f from bmp"" or better yet, perhaps + just start with ""help"". + +SPX + Kannan Alagappan & Joseph Tardo, DEC + + This is a huge prototype public key authentication system + based on RSA. I mention it here because those who have heard + of SPX have probably correctly guessed that it contains a large + integer package and I want to inform you that the large integer + package it contains is indeed DEC's BigNum from France. + You can get a beta test copy of SPX from crl.dec.com (192.58.206.2). + Use it only for testing, as it ""may"" expire on a certain date. + (I don't know whether this has expired yet.) + +amp (Antti's Multiple Precision?) + Antti Louko alo@kampi.hut.fi + + Multiple precision integer package in C. Includes +, -, *, /, %, + pow, mod, 1/x mod y, random, sqrt, gcd. Available for non-commercial + use. The package includes ""share-secret"", a public key system based + on the Diffie-Hellman algorithm. + This is normally part of the well-known ""des-dist.tar.Z"", + but I have removed the DES part to avoid having to deal with + cryptographic export laws, and have named the result: + Filename: amp.tar.Z + +gennum + Per Bothner U of Wisconsin-Madison + + C++ routines and classes to do generic arithmetic, both + integer and rational. + Formerly available on sevenlayer.cs.wis.edu. However, it + seems to have disappeared. Sorry. + +MIRACL + (By someone in Dublin, Ireland) + + Integer and fractional multiple precision package. + Includes factorization, primality testing, encryption. + Not public domain, apparently. It is available from the Austin + Code Works. (See ads in Byte Magazine or Dr. Dobbs.) + +precision + Dave Barrett barrettd@tigger.colorado.edu + + Multiple precision integer package in C with +,-,*,/, sqrt, rand, + mod, pow, log. Simple vector support. Does dynamic allocation of memory. + Free as long as you don't sell it or any program that uses it. + Filename: precision.tar.Z + +UBASIC + Prof. Yuji Kida, Rikkyo University, Nishi-Ikebukuro 3, Tokyo 171, Japan + kida@rkmath.rikkyo.ac.jp + + Multiple-precision version of the BASIC programming language, + for MS-DOS. Includes floating point. Said (by Keith Briggs) + to be pretty fast. Object only, I think. ervin@morekypr.bitnet + fast arithmetic. Has a version optimized for 386 machines. Includes + routines to do MPQS, the fastest currently known general factoring + algorithm. An additional file is at both sites to allow MPQS to use + hard drives so that it can factor up to 80 digits. Many number + theoretical functions are included in UBASIC. It allows over 2500 + digits of precision."" + Available via anonymous FTP from shape.mps.ohio-state.edu, + or simtel20.army.mil, or wuarchive.wustl.edu. + +calc_v22 + Unknown + + MS-DOS C-like language that allows ""infinite"" precision. + Nice intrinsic functions. ervin@morekypr.bitnet reports problems + when changing precision on the fly. + See simtel20 or wuarchive. + +briggs_arith + Keith Briggs (kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.oz.au) + + Turbo Pascal 5 source for routines that do multiple-precision + +, -, *, /, sqrt, gcd, factoring, rand for integers; also includes + +, -, *, / and rand for rational numbers. + Filename: briggs_arith.pas + +Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik + Dr Gerhard Schneider (?) + + Fast C multiple-precision subroutine library. + I don't know anything about it; sl25@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk says + to contact MAT420@DE0HRZ1A.BITNET for more info. + Postal Address: + Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik + EllernStr 29 + D4300 Essen-12 GERMANY + +LongInt + Markus Mueller (mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch) + + ""Multi precision arithmetic written in MODULA-2, with the most time critical + parts written in Assembler. Includes basic arithmetics (+, -, *, /, %) as + well as arithmetics MODULO a number. An additional module provides a + collection of procedures for primality testing, gcd, multiplicative + inverse and more. The package is part of a Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) + package which includes a PEM mailer, RSA key generator and Certificate + generation tools."" + + Source is in Modula-2, C, and assembler for Sun 3. LongInt has + also been ported to MS-DOS under Logitech Modula-2 and Turbo + Assembler. Availability: free for university use (research and + education); otherwise, a source license is required. To obtain, + write or email to: + + Markus Mueller + Bertastrasse 7 + CH-8953 Dietikon + Switzerland + email: mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch + +bignum-1.2 + Henrik.Johansson@Nexus.Comm.SE + + Bignum package written in portable C. Will in the future + conform to the Common Lisp functions that handles integers. + Currently includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, ""exptmod"", + comparison, random numbers, and gcd. + Filename: bignum-1.2 + +GNU Multiple Precision + GNU (Free Software Foundation) multiple precision package. + I haven't looked at it yet. This is current as of April 1992, + but there may be a more recent version by the time you read + this. This package is very widely available on FTP sites. + Filename: gmp-1.2.tar.Z + +Elliptic Curve Primality Proving + Francois Morian, France. + + Large package to prove the primality of any prime. + Includes Inria's BIGNUM package. + Obtained from ftp.inria.fr (128.93.1.26). + Filename: ecpp.V3.4.1.tar.Z + +PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) + Philip Zimmermann prz@sage.cgd.ucar.EDU + + Intel-based crypto package that includes bignum routines in C, + said to be quite fast for Intel processors. Unix and Mac + versions also available. + The crypto package violates RSA patents, but the bignum routines + can be used without fear of legal repercussions. + +Bell's Arbitrary Precision Calculator + David I. Bell, Australia (dbell@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au) + + Arbitrary-precision calculator with good online help, C-like + language, many builtin functions, support for integers, + rational numbers (they work like floating point), complex numbers, + matrices, strings, lists, files, ""objects"". Includes + gcd, primality testing, even trig functions. Recommended. + (Large package, though.) Obtained from comp.sources.unix. + Filename: calc-1.24.7.tar.Z + +Built-in support in other languages + Various + + Multiple precision arithmetic is available in a number of + programming languages, such as Lisp and ABC (cf. mcsun.eu.net). + Perl (by Larry Wall, available from devvax.jpl.nasa.gov) + includes source, in Perl, for such a package, but it's probably + not suitable for serious use. + For some of these, source code may be available. This list is + long enough, so I'm not going to pursue it aggressively. + +Thanks to Ed Vielmetti and several others who contributed to this list.",11 +"I'm attempting to transfer files from my home computer running +Windows 3.1 Terminal to a workstation at school. The file transfer protocol +at home is Kermit for binary files. I'm running Kermit on the workstation at school and +setting the file transfer protocol to binary. I am unable to upload files +to school but can download files from school to home. During download, +Terminal displays ther retrying message several times then the message ' +Verify you're using the correct protocol'. + Anyone have any ideas on how to fix? Either e-mail or post to this +group. + +Thanks, in advance,",2 +"God CAN be seen: + ""And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."" + (Ex. 33:23) + ""And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his + friend."" (Ex. 33:11) + ""For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."" + (Gen. 32:30) +God CANNOT be seen: + ""No man hath seen God at any time."" (John 1:18) + ""And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man + see me and live."" (Ex. 33:20) + ""Whom no man hath seen nor can see."" (1 Tim. 6:16)",19 +,18 +" +""Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is +the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."" -- William Pitt",11 +" +this borders on blasphemy.",9 +" +I bought a Viewsonic 17 for use at home but after a week I took it back. I +felt for the money my NEC 5FG that I use at work was a much better monitor. +The NEC is sharper, flatter, less distorted, and more stable. I have heard +complaints from people about the NEC FG series having some quality control +problems but mine has been in use for about a year with no problems at all. + +There was nothing really broken with the Viewsonic but overall it did not +match up. I used my ATI Graphics Ultra in setup mode to push the +frequencies to their limits and the Viewsonic exhibited some problems that +the NEC did not. I personally like the non-etched NEC with the OCLI filter +and the tube on the 17 was not as nice. The 17 had some uncorrectable +pincusion and edge distortion problems. Also, it would change brightness +when I switched modes and I was constantly having to fiddle with the +controls. And the yoke was crooked and I had no way to compensate for the +raster that tilted downhill. On the postive side, although not as handsome +as the NEC, the 17 had a smaller footprint and was not as heavy. + +I have heard that Panasonic owns Viewsonic and the model 17 is being sold +through OEM channels with a Panasonic label on it. If it's available that +way at a lower cost I could get more serious about it. For now the NEC has +my vote but I'm searching for one of the new, cheaper, NEC 5FGe's to see if +it's just as good as its older brother the 5FG before I decide which one to +buy. + +I have no experience with the Nanao. I can never keep the Nanao models +straight and don't have any place I can walk in to get a good comparison of +all models. + +-- + +Standard employer disclaimers apply + + +",2 +"Posting this for a friend +Sunnyvale, California +1982 Porsche 928 GTS Package + +leather interior +european handling package +sunroof +cruise control +88,000k miles +new paint +Immaculate in every way +********** DELIVERY POSSIBLE TO DESTINATION WITH DEPOSIT ******** +$10,000 firm +Low book is 11,500 High book is 16,000 +Phone (408) 296-4444 Frank Rosqui + +As new this vehicle was $74,000",6 +"Hi all: +Thanks to you all who have responded +to my request for info on various kinds of fax modem. +I'd like to ask a few more questions. +1. What are the advantages of buying a global village +Teleport Gold over other cheaper brands like Supra, Zoom etc? +2. I heard that both Supra and Zoom use the same software. +Why are there so many complaints about the incompatibility problems +of Supra? What kind of incompatibility is it? +3. If I decided to buy the Teleport Gold, is there any +possibility to add a voice option in the near future? +4. Has anyone heard of a possible voice option that Supra will offer +this coming summer? +5. A person did mention a new AT&T modem. Is it +getting good reviews from various Mac Magazines? +6. If I want the best, fastest, most economically sound and +possible voice option, what fax modem should I buy? + +Sorry for posting so many questions, but I think they're necessary. +I promise to repost any answers if they're not already posted by a responder. + +Thanks so much in advance. + +Regards,",4 +"I am curious if anyone in net-land has spent any time at any of the L'Abri +houses throughout the world and what the experience was like, how it affected +you, etc. Especially interesting would be experiences at the original L'Abri +in Switzerland and personal interactions with Francis and/or Edith Schaeffer.",15 +" +I apologize to the moderator, but the first quote was deleted and I +would like to respond to both. + +As for the ""goal we can never achieve"", the reward comes from the +trying. Paul makes a clear claim that we are to continue straining for +the prize over in Philippians 3:10-16. Only by not living out the +commands do we stagnate and become lukewarm, to be spit out by Jesus. +As it says in 1 John 5:3: ""This is love for God: to obey his comands."" +That obedience is our straining to achieve for God. Of course, this +requires work on our part. + +As for the quote in James, Satan doesn't care what we believe. What +matters is the results of our belief (works). If one truly has faith in +what one believes, one will either act on that faith or be lying to +oneself about believing in the first place. + +Stan, as for your first line, you have a very good point. Obedience by +obligation (grudgery) is not what God desires. Instead, look at how +many times the Bible talks about being joyous in all situations and when +doing God's work. Being begrudged by the work has no value. Also, we +should do the work necessary whenever we can, not just when we feel +Jesus' presence. Feelings can deceive us. However, as Paul states to +Timothy in 2 Timothy 4:2: ""Preach the Word; be prepared in season and +out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and +careful instruction."" Also, remember that Paul tells Timothy in 1 +Timothy 4:16: ""Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in +them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."" +So, in order to do the work necessary, we need to be sure that we are +correct first. Remember Jesus' warning in Matthew 7:3-5 not to be +hypocritical about what we do. The best way to accomplish this is to be +a disciple completely in both thought and deed. ",15 +" + + + + + + +Without doing anything really tricky, the best I've seen is the +Burr-Brown INA103. Their databook shows a good application of this +chip as a phantom power mic pre. + +-- ",12 +" + + Why ""must""? + +--- + + "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. """,0 +"{Sorry, Harel et al, but our doctors and most hospitals are still +private in Canada as well as in much of Western Europe.} + + +Wrong. In better EC countries that use pure (but public) health +insurance (like we use in Canada) rather than self-enclosed HMO-like +socialized medicine, 30% of our costs comes from private supplementary +insurance and/or copayments. France Magazine's Summer 1992 edition +has a fantastic presentation of their basic insurance coverage, +including a sample chart of copayment percentages. For 1-30 days, +you're covered for 80% of the public hospital rate, 100% afterward. +With extra private insurance, you can get into a private hospital and +be covered for any differences beyond the public hospital rate. The +public insurance covers 100% beyond 30 days, or the same cash amount +for a private hospital and the difference is paid out-of-pocket or +according to your supplementary private insurance. Over 2/3rds of +French have some form of extra private insurance. So, 30% of health +costs in Europe are out of private funds and not gleaned from other +taxes. The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures +for total outlay using the same methods that yield the 13-14% figure +for the U.S. + +That the French had deductibles and copayments in their insurance fund +is to their credit ... I am in the minority for advocating such back +in Canada (to make the Canadian insurance look more like real health +insurance -- which actually it is). The new Reform Party, a breakoff +of traditionalists from the Conservatives with a mildly ""libertarian"" +faction, hold our public health insurance as an untouchable but that +just a few people have to be reminded that it's not free (the average +Canadian/European is more fiscally naive than their American +counterparts on issues like these). + +I'm one of the few people who favour copayments (forget about +leftists, even our conservatives attack me for it on the Canadian +newsgroups) to make it look more like real insurance, 'cos the 100% +insurance payment is hidden (unlike in France) and if you didn't know +it, you'd believe it actually is socialized medicine (American +conservatives/libertarians and Canadian leftists are the only ones who +seriously call it that). Canadians aren't worried about the +Americans, who spend 14%; we're worried about the French and Germans +who spend 7% to our 9% ... so the insurance is looking at things that +shouldn't be paid for out of general funds like physicals for +insurance policies, sick notes, electrolysis, etc. The reason that +the Canadian health insurance hasn't spiralled out of control despite +being open and universal is that unlike Americans, there is no urge to +spend all of your benefits' worth, and more if you can ... we're a +different culture. + + +""Managed Care"" relies on HMO's, which are unknown in most western +nations that use only public health insurance like Canada, France +and Germany (I'm Canadian, and my German father-in-law-to-be says +of HMO/NHS approaches, ""We left that behind with East Germany!""). +Sure, HMO/NHS controls costs because you have managers strangling +doctors with budget strings. + +In Canada, we use the public health insurance approach as in France +and Germany, with all private doctors and both private and public +hospitals. It is all pure insurance without HMO's. The divisions +are different, with the Germans using a couple hundred interlinked +""sickness funds"" over a century old while Canada divides by their +provinces (who run the insurance fund and set local fees with the +doctors monopoly; federal funds cover the fees disbursed.) + +With such an open-ended system, it's no surprise that Canada is #2 to +the U.S. in costs; all-insurance is the most expensive way to go. The +French and Germans use the same approach but have larger populations +in more compact geography to improve scales of economy. + +gld",18 +"# #The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE +# #to submit to sexual intercourse."" +# +# Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states +# had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised +# as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but +# was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, +# uniformly throughout the U.S. +# +# -Chris + +There may be some confusion here. The Uniform Crime Reports program +run by the FBI defines rape as a female victim only crime -- even +though some states have the laws de-sexed. I suspect that this causes +male victims of rape to be left out of the UCR data.",18 +" + Perhaps we ought not to have supported a known genocidist? + Provided him with weapon systems, tactical support, technology, +etc. + + We made Suddam Hussein. + + What did Bush call him? Oh yes, an ally and a freind. + + +--- + + "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too.""",0 +" + +Not necessarily. It could mean that, or it could mean that he just hit +a lot better at home than he did on the road (see Frank Thomas' home/road +splits in '91 for an example). I would guess that some of Alomar's split +is due to the Skydome, but most of it is probably due just to coincidence. +There's no way to be sure, of course, but the only hitters the Skydome +seems to regularly help a lot are right handed home run hitters, and +Alomar is not a home run hitter. + + +Only because of t&P's bogus fielding stats, which rate Alomar as the worst +defensive second baseman in the league. On a career basis, I think T&P's +fielding stats may mean something, but on a seasonal basis it comes up +with ridiculous results like this. Alomar may not be the god of fielding +the media says he is, but he sure isn't the worst in baseball. + +Offensively, T&P rate Alomar much higher last year. + +Regarding the A vs. B argument, I'll just say they're both very good players +with different strengths and a bright future. +",9 +" +Losers like us? You are the fucking moron who has never heard of the Western +Business School, or the University of Western Ontario for that matter. Why +don't you pull your head out of your asshole and smell something other than +shit for once so you can look on a map to see where UWO is! Back to hockey, +the North Stars should be moved because for the past few years they have +just been SHIT. A real team like Toronto would never be moved!!! + +Andrew-- + + +",10 +" ... an amazing illustration of disconnection from reality. + +Glad to see that you agree that the current Government is reticent +about admitting the sovereignty of the people! Speaking from personal +experience, I have had judges illegally assume jurisdiction even after +I demanded that the DA prove such jurisdiction on the record, and the +DA stood mute. I have also had an appellate court uphold such action +and hide behind California Rules of Court, Rule 106 (""The judges of +the appellate department shall not be required to write opinions in +any cases decided by them, but may do so whenever they deem it +advisable or in the public interest.""). That is reality, I agree. + + + +",18 +"I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw +the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/ +early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition, +the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is +all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years +of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you +have on this funky looking car, please e-mail.",7 +"Hi. + +I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. +When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, +I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's +keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all +seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling +this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some +xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? + +By the way, I've checked the X-FAQ and posted a similar message +to gnu.emacs.help to no response. + +Currently I have the following in my .emacs file (inside a 'cond'): + + ((string-match ""^xterm"" (getenv ""TERM"")) +;; done by aj 8/92. I don't know what most of this does... + (defvar xterm-map (make-sparse-keymap) ""Keymap for xterm special keys"") + (define-key esc-map ""["" 'xterm-prefix) + (fset 'xterm-prefix xterm-map) + ;;Keys F1 to F12 + (define-key xterm-map ""224z"" 'goto-line) ;F1 + (define-key xterm-map ""225z"" 'what-line) ;F2 + (define-key xterm-map ""226z"" 'rmail) ;F3 + (define-key xterm-map ""227z"" 'replace-string) ;F4 + (define-key xterm-map ""228z"" 'end-of-line) ;F5 + (define-key xterm-map ""229z"" 'kill-line) ;F6 + (define-key xterm-map ""230z"" 'yank) ;F7 + (define-key xterm-map ""231z"" 'beginning-of-line);F8 + (define-key xterm-map ""232z"" 'end-of-line) ;F9 + (define-key xterm-map ""192z"" 'scroll-down) ;F11 + (define-key xterm-map ""193z"" 'scroll-up) ;F12 + ;;Keys F10, up, down, etc. ??????? can't get the keys + (define-key xterm-map ""-1z"" 'set-mark-command)) +) + +",5 +"I currently use a window manager called ctwm which +is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e. +it has multiple workspaces). Is there a +motif based window manager that has this +same feature and is not a memory pig like vue? + + + +mike +",5 +"Apple dealerships once had kits to replace the soldered in batteries with a battery +holder.",4 +"Perhaps one way of getting away from this cripple chip that the U.S. +government seems to be pushing would be to come up with a good alternative. +For example, how about a scheme using RSA, and some hybrid of DES-CFB and +another strong stream cipher (Maybe IDEA-CFB)? This could be substantially +the same as the cripple chip, except that instead of key-registration, the +police could demand that you give up your secret key to them (with a court- +issued warrant). Then, they could read the last few months of wiretapped +messages you've sent, and assuming you've committed no crimes, you could +generate a new key pair and go about your business. I find that I'd be +willing to pay RSA for the right to use such a system, especially given the +alternative. If you were unwilling to give up your secret key, then you'd +probably stay in jail (has anyone got a real legal precedent for this?). + This would allow court-issued warrants to be used to gather information +on suspected criminals, but it couldn't be done in secrecy, and there +would be enormously less likelihood of corruption or theft of escrowed keys. +(Maybe someone from the law-enforcement or intelligent community will correct +me, but this doesn't *seem* like such a big loss in terms of law-enforcement +capabilities.) + + Any comments?",11 +" + That's because Lankford had a minor injury from a couple of games +before that + and was day-to-day... only available as a pinchrunner. +",9 +" + +It has been announced that the Senators will move their AHL franchise to +Charlottetown, P.E.I. (Prince Edward Island), not New Brunswick.",10 +" + +Yes, but they'll be encrypted with Cripple Chip encryption, the +encryption algorithm so great it's TOP SECRET and so unbreakable +they WON'T EVEN LET YOU LOOK AT IT! + +Doesn't that make you feel SECURE?",11 +" +Mike Terry asks: + +No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects +of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift +off the ground.",8 +"[In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from +various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's +""Master of Reality"". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early +'70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another +to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] + +AFTER FOREVER + +Have you ever thought about your soul-- + can it be saved? +Or perhaps you think that when you're dead + you just stay in you grave. +Is God just a thought within you read in a book + when you were at school? +When you think about death + Do you lose your breath + Or do you keep your cool? + +Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope? +Do you think he's a fool? +Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light + and I've changed my ways. +And I'll be prepared + When you're lonely and scared + at the end of your days. + +Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say +If they knew you believed in God above? +They should realize before they criticise +That God is the only way to love. + +Is your mind so small that you have to fall +In with the pack wherever they run? +Will you still sneer when death is near +And say they may as well worship the sun? + +I think it was true -it was people like you + that crucified Christ. +I think it is sad the opinion you had + was the only one voiced. +Will you be so sure when your day is near + to say you don't believe? +You had the chance but you turned it down + now you can't retrieve. +Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead & gone +Open your eyes, just realize that He is the one. +The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate. +Or will you still jeer at all you hear? +Yes! I think it's too late. + + +LORD OF THIS WORLD",15 +" + +I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind +out of my contacts. Mumble, mumble, mumble ... +",8 +" + + + +Well put, Jim. I am as concerned about the media's complicity in this +growing coverup. Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the +investigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from +any other story? Particularly if a Republican administration had been +behind it. What's going on here? + +Let's look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next. +I'm a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops +because I've found some of the techniques to be useful in business +negotiations. That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks. This AMATEUR +knows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a +psychological profile on him. You can bet your ass the FBI had +professionally done profiles on Koresh. Koresh's behavior was +emminently predictable. It is typical of people who move away from +civilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their +isolation. It would also be typical, given Koresh's religious +orientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as +the apocalypse. Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being +consumed in the apocalypse. + +IMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated +psy-ops to initiate that apocalypse. I believe they chose a course of +action designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly +appearing to be acting reasonably. They KNEW that Koresh considered the +tanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations. +They KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles, +obstensibly to perform ""gas insertions"" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push +him over the edge. + +Look at some supporting evidence. Koresh's attorney mentioned on TV +earlier today (4/20) that one of Koresh's major concern was the biblical +role of the tanks stationed around the compound. The FBI (through Reno +on Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning) +claimed to have listening devices in the compound. If that was true +they KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink. They KNEW they +were pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide. Any rational and +reasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at +the first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and +would have gotten rid of all the armor. Instead they continued with the +""gas insertion"" right up to the point where flames appeared. The image +that will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back +and forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill. + +Let's step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without +bloodshed. This technique would have required a law enforcement agency +interested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation +of life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence. + +The way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back, +abandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the +armor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited +his ego to flush him out. Exploiting his ego would have been simple. A +simple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell +how he whipped the US government would have been something he could not +have resisted. He could have then been nabbed when he left the +compound. Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the +FBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the +revenge they sought, it was totally out of the question. Not without +all that testesterone floating around. After all Jannet Reno had to +show the world how big her balls are. + +Yesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system. I am sick to my +very soul. + +John",16 +"My last article included this quote: + + ""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some + Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* + some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon + + + +There is a convention called a `smiley', which looks like this: :-) . +It is supposed to look like a sideways smiley-face, and indicates that the +preceding comment is supposed to be funny. + + +And, I'll note that I have participated on talk.religion.misc for over +five years -- I'd say Mr Siemon was not too far off. 8^) + + * + +In the meat of his reply, Mr Boundary serves up an excellent example of what +I meant by ""There is no way out of the loop"". I wrote that human brains ""are +infested with sin"", and can be trusted only in limited circumstances. + + + +Which just moves the problem back one level: how do you tell if your +conscience is properly formed? + +The only way to tell is to presuppose that you are capable of judging the +formed-ness of your own conscience. In other words, you can only be sure +that your conscience is `properly formed' if you assume that your evaluation +can be trusted. Assuming your conclusions saves you a lot of time, I'll +grant, but it's not a valid way of reasoning. + +Unless you are infallible, your judgements about your own thinking cannot be +certain. Therefore, it is not possible to be certain your conscience is +`properly formed'. (Whatever that is supposed to mean.) + + +Mr Boundary then gives another paradigm example of the problem: + + +The Church is `by necessity' the infallible interpreter of divine revelation? +How do you know? Presumably, you believe this because of some argument or +another -- how do you know that the argument contains no mistakes? + +You write: + + +But there is a huge difference between `confidence in our ability to +distinguish what is true from what is not true' and `infallible'. I am +confident about a lot of things, but absolute certainty is a very long way +from `confident'. + +This discussion is about the arrogance of claiming to be absolutely certain +(really, go check the subject line). Saying you are absolutely certain is +significantly different than saying you are confident. When you say that +you are confident, that invites people to ask why. + +Except in very limited circumstances, when you say that you are absolutely +certain, it invites people to dismiss you as someone who does not have any +idea of his own fallibility. + + +I have yet to meet anyone who believed in a knowably-infallible source of +truth who would admit the possibility of errors in his reasoning. All of +them -- every last one -- has claimed that he was himself infallible. +The result has been to convince me that they had no idea what was going on. + + +Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu + +[This particular discussion may not be entirely relevant to the +original criticism. I get the feeling that the original poster +regarded as arrogant the very idea that there are right and wrong +answers in religion, and that the difference can have eternal +consequences. When I say that I think there is a hell and that he is +at least in significant danger of ending up there, I will admit that +-- as you say -- the reasoning processes I used to reach this are +fallible. Thus at least in principle I could be wrong. But these +basic facts are clearly enough taught in the Bible that I think it's +unlikely that I'm misinterpreting it. (In order to get this level of +confidence, I've tried to frame my statement sufficiently carefully as +to sidestep a number of the more controversial issues. I haven't, for +example said that all non-Christians will definitely end up in hell, +and I haven't attempted to describe hell in any detail.) I have a +feeling that my view is going to be regarded as arrogant and +intolerant even though I acknowledge that I'm fallible and so there's +some chance I'm wrong. + +Don't get me wrong -- I think there are a lot of genuinely arrogant +Christians, and often criticism of us is justified. But in at least +some cases I think the criticisms constitute blaming the messenger. +If the universe is set up so that there are eternal consequences for +certain decisions, it's not my fault -- I'm just telling it the way I +think it is. You may think God is immoral for setting things up that +way. It's one of the critiques of Christianity that I find it most +difficult to respond to. But it's not arrogance for me to tell what +I think is the truth.",15 +" + Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance +other than scrutinizing ""Sorority Babes in Heat"". Congrats! + + + Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you +converted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the +difference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3/2 pulldown for +a laserdisc company or something). + + + Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically +has to pivot the bat around along with his body. + + + Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at +the plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level +plane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could +hit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes +contact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he +caught not ready for a pitch. + + I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to +practice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-) + + How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front +foot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but +I keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot +out of his hips. + + + Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but .. + + I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean +Palmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing. + + + A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball. +IMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling +off the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers/sliders +low and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left +and left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to +the right side of the infield in the next month. +",9 +" + +To Andi, + +I have to disagree with you about the value of Israeli news sources. If you +want to know about events in Palestine it makes more sense to get the news +directly from the source. EVERY news source is inherently biased to some +extent and for various reasons, both intentional and otherwise. However, +the more sources relied upon the easier it is to see the ""truth"" and to discern +the bias. + +Go read or listen to some Israeli media. You will learn more news and more +opinion about Israel and Palestine by doing so. Then you can form your own +opinions and hopefully they will be more informed even if your views don't +change.",17 +"A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN +and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 +clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. +Can anyone out there verify this?",3 +" +The problem with Commercial Titan is that MM has made little or no attempt +to market it. They're basically happy with their government business and +don't want to have to learn how to sell commercially. + +A secondary problem is that it is a bit big. They'd need to go after +multi-satellite launches, a la Ariane, and that complicates the marketing +task quite significantly. + +They also had some problems with launch facilities at just the wrong time +to get them started properly. If memory serves, the pad used for the Mars +Observer launch had just come out of heavy refurbishment work that had +prevented launches from it for a year or so. + +There have been a few CT launches. Mars Observer was one of them. So +was that stranded Intelsat, and at least one of its brothers that reached +orbit properly.",14 +" + +Finding the circumcenter of a tetrahedron is discussed on page 33 in + +CONTOURING: A guide to the analysis and display of spatial data, +by Dave Watson, Pergamon Press, 1992, ISBN 0 08 040286 0, 321p. + +Each pair of tetrahedral vertices define a plane which is a +perpendicular bisector of the line between that pair. Express each +plane in the form Ax + By + Cz = D +and solve the set of simultaneous equations from any three of those +planes that have a vertex in common (all vertices are used). +The solution is the circumcenter. +",1 +" + +Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct +some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered +this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA. +(Sign of the times: a Sony logo on a Soyuz launcher...) + + +This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of. Does anyone +know if he's involved? + + +This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My +guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to +build large, inflatable space structures. + + +If this is true, I think it's a great idea. + +Learning how to build to build structures in space in an essential +step towards space development, and given that Freedom appears to be +shrinking towards the vanishing point, I question whether NASA's space +station is going to provide much, if any, knowledge in this area. +(Especially if a design such as Faget's wingless orbiter is chosen...) +If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates +creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so +much the better. + + +And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN +news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild +idea"" stage or does it have real funding? + + +Not yet. Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return +of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable... +-- +_______________________________________________________________________________",14 +" +I guarantee that if Bonds wins the MVP the Giants will finish higher +than 6th. + +luigi",9 +" +Hi there +I'm suffering from Sarcoidosis at present. Although it's shown as a +chronic & rare tissue disorder, it is thankfully NOT life threatening. + +The very worsed thing that can happen to a non-treated sufferer is +glaucoma. My specialists are bombarding me with Prednisolone E.C. (a +cortico-steriod) and after four months at 20mg a day, it's totally done +away with my enlarged lymph glands, so somethings happening for the +good! + +Cheers Nigel",13 +" +I don't think they provide homeopaths, heck the heir apparent was trying to +promote Osteopaths to the ranks of eligibility a couple of years back... It +pleased my family no end, since I'm at an Osteopathic school, sort of +validated it for them...then I told them that the name was the same but the +practice was different....oh. + If you're seeking validation for your philosophy on the strength of +the national health service adopting it, I suggest that you are not very +sure of the validity of your philosophy. I believe in 1946, the NHS was +still having its nurses taught the fine art of ""cupping"", which is the +vacuum extraction of intradermal fluids by means of heating a cup, placing +it on the afflicted site and allowing it to cool. + I wouldn't take my sick daughter to a homeopath. +",13 +"I am looking for information about this drive. Switch settings, geometry..etc. + +Conner CP3204F + +Please reply via e-mail. Many thanks in advance! +",3 +" + +For the last time, Bobby. Lack of belief in YOUR god does NOT imply +atheism. Just because some moslems aren't moral does not mean they don't +believe in a god named Allah, although their Allah may not do the things +your Allah does. If a moslem says he/she believes that a god exists, he/she +is a theist (though maybe not a TRUE follower of islam). + + + +Jerk. +",0 +"Greetings netters, + +Steve writes ... + +Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took +possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1"" diameter. This was a special order. + +I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder +after about two blocks. + +I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD +padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two +front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a +post in an underground parking garage. + +Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on +me bike. + +When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home. + +By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links +and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of +them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The +guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much +and the inner tubes were free. + +Later. +",8 +"tes: + +First, the only drug that could possibly be put in drug stations are marijuana +or its derivitives. Every other drug that I can think of can kill you if you +take to much. (By the very nature of these drugs, your decision making skills +aren't up to par. That is how it differs from asprin, flinstone vitamins, etc. +We don't even allow penicilin to be sold over the counter.) + +Second, we already have a big enough drunk driving and alchoholic problem in +this country. If marijuana were legal, undoubtedly more people would use it, +and that IS a problem. People use it, get stupid, and hurt other people.",18 +" +I don't think you're going to be able to see the differences from a sphere +unless they are greatly exaggerated. Even the equatorial bulge is only +about 1 part in 300 -- you'd never notice a 1mm error in a 30cm globe -- +and the other deviations from spherical shape are much smaller.",14 +"You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony. +. + +",8 +" + + This seems a strange argument to make considering that Canada's +violent crime rate in general is far lower than that of the U.S. (Our +non-gun crime rate is greater than their *entire* crime rate). It +would seem strange to suggest that it, to, were the result of gun +control laws. + + I think if we looked we'd find very specific (cultural and +enforcement) reasons why the non-gun rate is low as well, and then +that reasons could be applied to the with-gun rates as easily. + + + Aside from the fact that I find the idea of being punished +because somebody might steal something from me and go and commit a +crime with it a silly solution, it still doesn't address the +question of Canada. (Which is now, by the way, blaming their rising +gun-crime rate on the U.S. Strange that the border used to ""magically"" +keep the guns out, but now isn't.) + + + The other side of the coin, of course, is that far ""illegal drugs"" +are purchases legally or stolen from people who purchase them legally. +I've still not been convinced that guns, a commodity which criminals +have shown their perfectly willing to pay for from illegal sources +(stolen either from police, military, or civilian) we wouldn't simply +see South American sources from which drugs come start smuggling guns as +well, since there's a thriving gun manufacturing industry down there. + + + And as was not pointed out in the study, but in critiques +of it, (two seperate articles by James Wright and David Kopel come +to mind) it was pointed out that the difference was *also* almost +entirely minority related. That is, the gun crime rate skyrocketed +for poor minorities (Blacks and Hispanics primarily) while when you +compared the white majority they were virutally identical. + + The problem with the NEJM study was they compared minority vs. +non-minority percentages but failed to take into account the relative +conditions of those minorities. That there was an eqaul percentage of +nomn-whites was about as far as they went. They failed to take into +account that the non-whites in either city were not living in the +same conditions. + + If the situation was entirely based on availability of guns, +then we'd expect that the white rates, the two groups which are +arguably fairly comparative in the two cities, would have a far +higher rate in Seattle. Yet the majority in Seattle is not only +not significantly higher when the minorities are excluded, but slightly +lower. + + + + The point is, of course, that many of the U.S. ""inner-city"" +problems are not mirrored in Canada. As such if there is a condition +which is significantly different in Canada from the U.S., and violent +crime is highly correlated to that area, suggesting that gun control +is the source of Canada's low rate is highly questionable. (As one +Canadian pointed out on talk.politics.guns, Canada's major gun control +in 1978 did not result in either a reduction or a slowing of an increase +in violent crime rates, which have been rising steadily since. Apparently +they didn't even mirror the U.S.s very large drop of violent crime in +the early eighties. + + + True only to a certain extent. Take Washington D.C., where +gun control was instituted while it had crime problems true, but that +crime proceeded to explode afterwards. Similarly for New York. + + The question is not simply a point in time where crime was high +or low. Did the gun control significantly and positively impact +violent crime. Since it's gone up in those areas, often faster than it +was going up before, you can't simply dismiss the high crime rate by +saying gun control was caused by it. Yes, gun control may be instituted +to deal with high crime. But if the crime is not positively impacted, you +can't continually say that that crime rate was entirely a cause of +that gun control, since much of that crime rate increased after gun control +was implemented, just as happened in Canada. + + + As would be expected if violent crime was generally independent +of gun control. + + + Would this be the laws which made manufacturers liable for what +others did with their guns, and suddenly the police found nobody would +sell to them?",18 +"CB> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN +CB> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! + +Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. + +This is very bad advice. Helmets have two major impact absorbing +layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer. +Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner +compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or +delaminates from age. Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years +following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose +up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression. I have +a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail. + +Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and +other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender. Even when the +comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously +degrade the effectiveness of a helmet. If you are in the habit of +""parking your lid"" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the +comfort liner at the condition of the foam. If it is significantly +damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet.",8 +,11 +"Kevin Mitchell's sacrifice fly in the eighth off Brett Saberhagen plated +pitch runner Cesar Hernandez to give the Reds a 2-3 come-from-behind victory over +New York. Hernandez ran for pinch-hitter Cecil Espy, who got the inning started +with a solid single to right, moved to second on ""Bob"" Kelly's infield sneaker +down the third-base line, and to third on Jeff Branson's well-placed bunt--a +rare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless Reds offense. + +Cincinnati trailed 2-0 after starter Tim Pugh blinked in the fifth. He had only +given up one hit in the first four innings, a fourth-inning lead-off double +by Vince Coleman. Coleman was left stranded at third by Bobby Bonilla after +Joe Orselak popped to short. Orselak was pinch-hitting for Eddie Murray who +argued plate umpire Kellogg's inside strike by ""drawing the line"" (really, he +should know better than that). Murray, and later manager Jeff Torborg ended up getting +tossed. + +The Mets' fifth started with a Howard Johnson's first-pitch homer. Pugh must +have been slightly shaken, as he was popped on the next pitch by Jeff Kent's +single, then a Ryan Thompson liner to left was (surprise) misplayed by Mitchell +and turned into a RBI triple. Catcher Hundley's grounder to the drawn-in Branson +failed to bring Thompson in, then the play of the game occured: + +Saberhagen was due up, so Reds pitching coach Larry Rothschild met with the infield +to discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze. They called it perfectly: +Thompson was hung out to dry after Pugh's first-pitch pitch out and the threat ended. +(Isn't the NATIONAL LEAGUE great??) + +The Reds picked up 2 runs in the seventh to knot up the game. After Barry Larkin's +ground out, Mitchell, Chris Sabo, and Randy Milligan got back-to-back-to-back +singles--the third scoring Mitchell. Reggie Sanders then plated Sabo with a long +fly to center. A double by Oliver might have scored runner Dan Wilson, but +third base coach Dave Bristol threw up the stop sign too late--Wilson himself was +hung out to dry killing the Reds rally. + +Rob Dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily. With two outs and a runner +on second Bonilla came to the plate and all I could think of was the Sunday game +in late August last year when Bonilla's three-run dinger slapped a loss on +Dibble and spelled the beginning of the end for Cinci's season. Bonilla ended +up walking, and HoJo flied out to left to give the Reds their first win in a +week, and earned Dibble his third save in as many opportunities. The win went +to Steve Foster (1-2) who got in what must be an ego-boosting two perfect innings +work, striking out three. Saberhagen (2-1) got the loss--though I'm a bit +surprised he even pitched in the eighth. I'll take it, though. + +The Reds are now 3-9, still the worst team in baseball with the Royals victory +today. The Mets are 6-5. + + +The Line: + +New York Mets + + AB R H K BB LO +-----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- +Coleman lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 +Fernandez ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 +Murray 1b 1 0 0 0 0 0 + Orselak ph/rf 3 0 1 0 0 0 +Bonilla rf/1b 3 0 0 2 1 1 +Johnson 3b 3 1 1 1 0 2 +Kent 2b 3 1 1 1 0 0 +Thompson cf 3 0 1 1 0 0 +Hundley c 3 0 0 2 0 0 +Saberhagen p 3 0 0 0 0 0 +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Totals 30 2 5 8 1 3 + +HR-Johnson (off Pugh, leading off fifth, 0-0 pitch) +3b-Thompson (off Pugh, in fifth, 0 out, 1 RBI, picked-off) +2b-Coleman (off Pugh, in fourth, 0 out, 0 on, stranded at third) +RBI-Johnson, Thompson + + +Cincinnati Reds + + AB R H K BB LO +-----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- +Kelly cf 4 0 1 0 0 0 +Branson 2b 3 0 1 0 0 0 +Larkin ss 3 0 0 0 1 0 +Mitchell lf 3 1 1 0 0 0 + Dibble p 0 0 0 0 0 0 +Sabo 3b 4 1 1 1 0 2 +Milligan 1b 3 0 3 0 0 0 + Wilson pr/c 0 0 0 0 0 0 +Sanders rf 2 0 0 0 0 1 +Oliver c/1b 3 0 1 1 0 1 +Pugh p 1 0 0 1 0 0 + Roberts ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 + Foster p 0 0 0 0 0 0 + Espy ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 + Hernandez pr/lf 0 1 0 0 0 0 +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Totals 28 3 9 4 1 5 (*) + +(*) Oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when Wilson was run down. + +2b Oliver (off Saberhagen, 2 out, runner on first, stranded) +RBI-Milligan, Sanders, and Mitchell +Sac-Branson +SF-Sanders and Mitchell +IBB-Larkin +GDP-Larkin + + +New York 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 ---- 2-5-0 +Cincinnati 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 x ---- 3-9-0 + + +Pitching + + IP R ER H K BB +NEW YORK +Saberhagen (L 2-1) 8 3 3 9 4 1 + +CINCINNATI +Pugh 6 2 2 4 4 0 +Foster (W 1-2) 2 0 0 0 3 0 +Dibble (S 3) 1 0 0 1 1 1 + + +PB- Wilson +Ejected-Murray, Torborg + +Umps-Kellogg/Relliford/Runge/DeMuth + +Attendance 32,435 +T- 2:23 + + +Coming up: +The Reds travel to Pittsburgh for three then continue on into Chicago for +three. Next game is Tuesday at 7:35, expected to pitch are Belcher (0-1) +vs. Tomlin (0-0). +",9 +" +Really? Why are so you worried about high school kids ""getting their kicks"" +with scanners, as compared to what the feds can do, and have done, to their +targets? + +""Better than the status quo"" isn't good enough, I'd say. The same +technology could be implemented WITHOUT a back door open to the state. + +We all know about power and corruption. But we all know that abuse is +something that only happens to the other guy. + + + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +John Hesse | A man, +jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, +Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob.",11 +"Hi there again... +I still have a few tapes left... + +As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid). +Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary... +Package deals welcome... + +Thanks... +Chris Bray",6 +" + +In many places, Christians were sucessful in their attempts +to get the films banned, or at least given a very restrictive +showing. + +I have no problem with Christians burning their own pieces of +art (though I find it a tragic waste). I do however have a +problem with their attempts to censor what I may or may not +view. + +P.",15 +" + + + + +I sold my '86 Sprint last April with 95k on it. I'd driven it since +the previous July, putting 20k miles on it. The sensor light used to +light up regularly, starting about 5k miles after I bought it. +My brother and I rebuilt the engine but used all of the original equipment, +so I suppose the sensor could have used replacement. Performance (hah, +if you could call it that) did not change. Perhaps emissions increased, +but how much emissions could a CA-registered 3 cylinder engine produce? +That was a neat car, I held the engine block easily in one hand! Has +anyone ever driven the 'Turbo' variant? Just curious...",7 +" +In the game *I* have seen yesterday in the Olympiahalle of Munich +Canada won 4-1 against Sweden! The last goal for Canada was at 19:59 in +the 3rd period. Maybe you shouldn't go and get you another beer +before the game is over and then post imaginary results... + +Holger +",10 +"Hi! + +I'd like to switch my floppy drives so that my 3.5"" b: drive becomes a:, while +my 5.25"" a: becomes b:. I'm having a few problems, though. + +I know that the ribbon cable must be switched, as well as the CMOS settings, +to reflect this change, and I think that I've done that correctly. However, the +drives do not operate correctly in this configuration. From the C:> prompt, if +I type a:, the 5.25"" drive light comes on; if I type b:, both the light for the +5.25"" and 3.5"" drives come on. + +There are some jumpers on each drive: +5.25"" Label Original Pos. Pos. I changed it to + DS0 ON OFF + DS1 OFF ON + DS2 ON ON + DS3 OFF OFF + IO OFF OFF + MS1 OFF OFF + D-R ON ON + MS2 ON ON + FG OFF OFF + +3.5"" DS0 OFF ON + DS1 ON OFF + DS2 OFF OFF + DS3 OFF OFF + MM ON ON + DC ON ON + MD OFF OFF + TTL/C-MO8 ON ON + + +Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. + +Thanks in advance.",3 +" +Roger? Lecture someone on not using smileys? What sweet hipocracy... + +KOZ",10 +" +No. As soon as you blit two of this icons once on top of the other with a +little dislocation, you see the rectangular blit crashes too much of the +icon first blitted, because it draws a full rectangle. The way to do it +is masking: Create a bitmap with all pixels to be merged are 1 and all +not to be merged are 0. Then, set the clip_mask of the gc to this +bitmap, set the clip_x_origin and clip_y_origin of the gc to the x/y +coordinates where you blit the icon to the destination drawable, use GXCopy, +and XCopyArea() the icon pixmap to the destination drawable using this gc. + +",5 +" ^^^ +Wow! Courses in Georgia are much cheaper. $85 for both. + +The list looks good, but I'd also add: + Heavy Boots (work, hiking, combat, or similar) $45",8 +" +I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get +rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough +cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing +worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys +at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers +might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't +format/mount/partition for A/UX. 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The festival + > of Easter may possibly have some historical association with + > some pagan festival, but *today* there are, as far as I know, + > no Christians who *intend* to honor any kind of ""pagan + > goddess"" by celebrating Easter.",15 +" +If the tire has a leak you should fix it. + + +Doesn't work too well if the engine is hot, its more accurate to check the +oil when the engine is cool, i.e. not when you are at a gas station.",7 +"Why don't you just run one LED at 60 KHz and use a flip flop at the receiving +end to divide by 2 and give you a good square 30KHz signal. +Just a thought. +LORI + ",12 +"Archive-name: space/launchers +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:11 $ + +ORBITAL AND PLANETARY LAUNCH SERVICES + +The following data comes from _International Reference Guide to Space Launch +Systems_ by Steven J. Isakowitz, 1991 edition. + +Notes: + * Unless otherwise specified, LEO and polar paylaods are for a 100 nm + orbit. + * Reliablity data includes launches through Dec, 1990. Reliabity for a + familiy of vehicles includes launches by types no longer built when + applicable + * Prices are in millions of 1990 $US and are subject to change. + * Only operational vehicle families are included. Individual vehicles + which have not yet flown are marked by an asterisk (*) If a vehicle + had first launch after publication of my data, it may still be + marked with an asterisk. + + +Vehicle | Payload kg (lbs) | Reliability | Price | Launch Site +(nation) | LEO Polar GTO | | | (Lat. & Long.) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Ariane 35/40 87.5% Kourou +(ESA) (5.2 N, 52.8 W) + AR40 4,900 3,900 1,900 1/1 $65m + (10,800) (8,580) (4,190) + AR42P 6,100 4,800 2,600 1/1 $67m + (13,400) (10,600) (5,730) + AR44P 6,900 5,500 3,000 0/0 ? $70m + (15,200) (12,100) (6,610) + AR42L 7,400 5,900 3,200 0/0 ? $90m + (16,300) (13,000) (7,050) + AR44LP 8,300 6,600 3,700 6/6 $95m + (18,300) (14,500) (8,160) + AR44L 9,600 7,700 4,200 3/4 $115m + (21,100) (16,900) (9,260) + +* AR5 18,000 ??? 6,800 0/0 $105m + (39,600) (15,000) + [300nm] + + +Atlas 213/245 86.9% Cape Canaveral +(USA) (28.5 N, 81.0W) + Atlas E -- 820 -- 15/17 $45m Vandeberg AFB + (1,800) (34.7 N, 120.6W) + + Atlas I 5,580 4,670 2,250 1/1 $70m + (12,300) (10,300) (4,950) + + Atlas II 6,395 5,400 2,680 0/0 $75m + (14,100) (11,900) (5,900) + + Atlas IIA 6,760 5,715 2,810 0/0 $85m + (14,900) (12,600) (6,200) + +* Atlas IIAS 8,390 6,805 3,490 0/0 $115m + (18,500) (15,000) (7,700) + + +Delta 189/201 94.0% Cape Canaveral +(USA) Vandenberg AFB + Delta 6925 3,900 2,950 1,450 14/14 $45m + (8,780) (6,490) (3,190) + + Delta 7925 5,045 3,830 1,820 1/1 $50m + (11,100) (8,420) (2,000) + + +Energia 2/2 100% Baikonur +(Russia) (45.6 N 63.4 E) + Energia 88,000 80,000 ??? 2/2 $110m + (194,000) (176,000) + + +H series 22/22 100% Tangeshima +(Japan) (30.2 N 130.6 E) +* H-2 10,500 6,600 4,000 0/0 $110m + (23,000) (14,500) (8,800) + + +Kosmos 371/377 98.4% Plestek +(Russia) (62.8 N 40.1 E) + Kosmos 1100 - 1350 (2300 - 3000) $??? Kapustin Yar + [400 km orbit ??? inclination] (48.4 N 45.8 E) + + +Long March 23/25 92.0% Jiquan SLC +(China) (41 N 100 E) +* CZ-1D 720 ??? 200 0/0 $10m Xichang SLC + (1,590) (440) (28 N 102 E) + Taiyuan SLC + CZ-2C 3,200 1,750 1,000 12/12 $20m (41 N 100 E) + (7,040) (3,860) (2,200) + + CZ-2E 9,200 ??? 3,370 1/1 $40m + (20,300) (7,430) + +* CZ-2E/HO 13,600 ??? 4,500 0/0 $??? + (29,900) (9,900) + + CZ-3 ??? ??? 1,400 6/7 $33m + (3,100) + +* CZ-3A ??? ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m + (5,500) + + CZ-4 4,000 ??? 1,100 2/2 $???m + (8,800) (2,430) + + +Pegasus/Taurus 2/2 100% Peg: B-52/L1011 +(USA) Taur: Canaveral + Pegasus 455 365 125 2/2 $10m or Vandenberg + (1,000) (800) (275) + +* Taurus 1,450 1,180 375 0/0 $15m + (3,200) (2,600) (830) + + +Proton 164/187 87.7% Baikonour +(Russia) + Proton 20,000 ??? 5,500 164/187 $35-70m + (44,100) (12,200) + + +SCOUT 99/113 87.6% Vandenberg AFB +(USA) Wallops FF + SCOUT G-1 270 210 54 13/13 $12m (37.9 N 75.4 W) + (600) (460) (120) San Marco + (2.9 S 40.3 E) +* Enhanced SCOUT 525 372 110 0/0 $15m + (1,160) (820) (240) + + +Shavit 2/2 100% Palmachim AFB +(Israel) ( ~31 N) + Shavit ??? 160 ??? 2/2 $22m + (350) + +Space Shuttle 37/38 97.4% Kennedy Space +(USA) Center + Shuttle/SRB 23,500 ??? 5,900 37/38 $248m (28.5 N 81.0 W) + (51,800) (13,000) [FY88] + +* Shuttle/ASRM 27,100 ??? ??? 0/0 + (59,800) + + +SLV 2/6 33.3% SHAR Center +(India) (400km) (900km polar) (13.9 N 80.4 E) + ASLV 150 ??? ??? 0/2 $???m + (330) + +* PSLV 3,000 1,000 450 0/0 $???m + (6,600) (2,200) (990) + +* GSLV 8,000 ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m + (17,600) (5,500) + + +Titan 160/172 93.0% Cape Canaveral +(USA) Vandenberg + Titan II ??? 1,905 ??? 2/2 $43m + (4,200) + + Titan III 14,515 ??? 5,000 2/3 $140m + (32,000) (11,000) + + Titan IV/SRM 17,700 14,100 6,350 3/3 $154m-$227m + (39,000) (31,100) (14,000) + + Titan IV/SRMU 21,640 18,600 8,620 0/0 $???m + (47,700) (41,000) (19,000) + + +Vostok 1358/1401 96.9% Baikonur +(Russia) [650km] Plesetsk + Vostok 4,730 1,840 ??? ?/149 $14m + (10,400) (4,060) + + Soyuz 7,000 ??? ??? ?/944 $15m + (15,400) + + Molniya 1500kg (3300 lbs) in ?/258 $???M + Highly eliptical orbit +",14 +" >It seems that conservatives are putting a lot of effort into + >showing up the 10% figure, but that really doesn't make a + >difference. Like I said, who cares how many there are? Would + >the fact that they're only 1% of the population justify + >discrimination against them? I don't think so. + +Uh, well, Golly Gee Whiz. Let me see, when the new President, as his first +big ""policy act"" tries to force homosexuals (acceptance thereof) on the +military, despite polls showing a consistent 75%+ against it, and the +minority is only 1%, well, gee, I sure think that is newsworthy. + +Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... + + +-- +There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of +environmental disaster. Weird, eh?",18 +"Hi everyone, + I have a question regarding my stack on my pc. I am programming +in Turbo C 3.0 and my program is rather large (model large too). I keep +getting errors that I am running out of memory after a while of running the +program. When I compile the program, it says I have 4.45 meg of RAM so +I can't seem to explain why it crashes. + +All it is doing is running in a loop while the operator is idle and +after a while of sitting, it will screw up all the variables. This leads +me to believe that my stack is filling up and overflowing. + +Does the program take memory up when it is calling void functions +that do not return anything?? + + I have been working on this problem for days and I would really +appreciate any responce. If this is not the correct newsgroup, I will +gladly re-post, but this is the only I could find.",3 +"If you think you have kidney stones or your doctor tells you that you do, +DEFINITELY follow up on it. My sister was diagnosed with kidney stones +1 1/2 years ago and given medication to take to dissolve them. After that +failed and she continued to be in great pain, they decided she had +endometriosis. When they did exploratory surgery, they discovered she +had a tumor, which turned out to be rhabdomyosarcoma -- a very rare +and agressive cancer. I realize this is not what happens in the majority +of cases, but you never know what can happen and shouldn't take chances! +",13 +"<< < For example: why does the universe exist at all? + + >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about +-> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their +-> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals +-> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's +-> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor +-> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves? +-> > +-> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family +-> >and support systems in general among this nation's poor. +-> >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at +-> >the top of any sane person's list. +-> > +-> >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural +-> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called +-> >""relevant"" or ""values"" education. Hey, it seemed like a good +-> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real +-> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted. +-> +-> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible. +-> +-> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their +-> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of +-> brats. +-> +-> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969. +-> +-> Apollo 11 and Woodstock. +-> +-> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and +-> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.). +-> +-> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage, +-> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems .... +-> + + Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in +history? They rejected society and went back to nature in their +parent's cars.",18 +" + + Would you say the same thing about the Dodgers in '65 or '66? True, +Cone is probably as good as Drysdale, and they have no Koufax, but still, +these teams were winning with home run leaders who had very bad totals, with +lots of low-scoring games, etc. And they didn't use relievers, whereas +Jeff Montgomery is having a super season for them. + That being said, I still picked them 5th or so, but I think a superb +pitching team can win if they have enough hitting. There's more of a +chance of that, I think, than of a team with tremendous hitting but no +pitching. At least, to me. + I wonder, though - which one do you people think would do better - a team +with Johnson, Koufax in his prime, Seaver, Carlton, and Young, in no real +order, as the starters, with Sutter, Fingers, and Lyle in the bullpen, but +with a puny offense (assuming good defense, like Mazeroski, Maranville, etc.) +Or a team with poor pitching, but with an offense of Cobb, Carew, Ruth, Gehrig, +Mays, Schmidt, Wagner, and Bench - again,you pick the order. + I would postulate that the pitching one would be several games better by +seasons' end. Even the best hitters can succeed only 2/5 of the time in +their best years, but a great pitcher can throw lots of shutouts - taking all +the players in their prime, they might throw 50 shutouts in a year. And all +the offense would have to do is get 1 run across. + I wonder if someone with Stratomatic or something could plug such all- +time teams into a regular season, have it played, and report the results +I would love to see that.",9 +" +Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks +associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens +are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function +of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of +the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish +to know more. Thanks. + + + +",13 +" + Well, yes. That was a part of my point. Aspirin has its problems, but +in some situations it is useful. Ditto stuff like licorice root. Taking +anything as a drug for theraputic purposes implicitly carries the idea +of taking a dose where the benefits are not exceeded by any unwanted, +additional effects. Taking any drug when the potential ill-effects are +not known is a risk assumed by the parties involved, and it may be that +in a given situation the risk is worthwhile. + Like Prozac, for instance; Prozac has been shown to be theraputic in +some cases where the tri-cyclics fail. But Prozac hasn't been in use +that long, and it really isn't clear what if any effects it may have +when taken over long periods of time, even though it has been tested +by present day standards. Should Prozac be taken off the market because +long-term effects, if any, are not known? IMHO, i'd say no. + +euclid +",13 +"Hello All, + + + Goucher College will soon be retiring a MicroVax II, world case, +2 70MB Hard Drives, 16 port I/O, 2 MB (maybe 4MB) system memory. + + Any idea as to how much we can expect to get for this machine on +the open market?? + + Please reply privately to: + + tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org + + Thanks in advance.....",6 +" +I would suggest Draw for Windows (by Micrografx). I have this on my +home box. Its quite impressive and only cost UKL100. It has a rather +nice clip-art library facility which you can expand with your own +drawings. There is no circuit component clip-art included, but you +could add your own quite easily. + +It works with any Windows printer driver of course, and can also +export embedded postscript and PCX files. + +Note: I am not connected with Micrografx in any way. + +Paul.",12 +" +Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning +holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US) +destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world +countries - but not the US!",7 +" ( in <1993Apr16.163729.867@batman.bmd.trw.com> ) + ( responding to Dave ""First With Official A.A Nickname"" Fuller ) + +[ ... ] + +That means that it is an effective anti-recidivism measure. It does +not say that it deters an individual from committing a capital crime +in the first place. + +The true question is whether the threat of death is likely to actually +stop one from murdering. (Or commiting treason -- are there any other +capital crimes anywhere in the USA?) That is, if there were no death +penalty, would its introduction deter a would-be criminal from +committing her/his crime? I doubt it. + +This is only the first step. Even if it were a strong deterrent +(short of being a complete deterrent) I would reject it. For what +about the case of the innocent executed? + +And even if we could eliminate this possibility, I would reject the +death penalty as immoral. This makes me something of a radical on +the issue, although I think there are many opponents of captial +punishment who agree with me, but who find the innocent executed the +strongest argument to make. + +I would, if magically placed in charge, facilitate state-aided suicide +for criminals who have life-sentences. This could be a replacement +for capital punishment. Those who don't want to live the rest of +their lives in jail would always have this option.",0 +"a +e +e +GT (5sp of course)",7 +" + + +These substitutes exist, and at this time are available. Its the future +availability that is in doubt. + +1) GHG-12 + +Get it from People's Welding Supply 800-382-9006 + + +2) butane/propane + +You can mix this yourself so no one can ever regulate it away. +Just make sure you use good quality (dry) gases. + + +I don't know of any 200mpg carb distributors :-)",7 +"For Sale: + +Fujitsu 324meg SCSI drive. $450 + +Maxtor 338meg ESDI drive. $425 + +Maxtor 160meg ESDI drive. $225 + +Toshiba 106meg IDE drive. $175 + +XT case & motherboard. $50 + +DTC 16-bit MFM 2HD 2FD controler. $30 + +All items are used, in full working condition, and have a +warranty for one week unless otherwise specified. All prices +are %100 negotiable, shipping not included. + +Wanted: + +Developers kit for SB +17"" SVGA moniters (two of them). + +",6 +"The traditions of the church hold that all the ""apostles"" (meaning the 11 +surviving disciples, Matthias, Barnabas and Paul) were martyred, except for +John. ""Tradition"" should be understood to read ""early church writings other +than the bible and heteroorthodox scriptures"".",0 +" +Of course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is +a correctly wired video cable. + +Gary + +-- ",4 +"I Love it how all of these people are ""blaming"" the Phillies success +on a weak division. Why don't we look at the record of the teams in +each division (READ: Inter-Divisional Play), we'll see that the East +is really kicking the shit out of the West. I know it is early, but +that is all we have to go on. Atlanta is just so strong with their +.188 BA, Cincinnati is 2-7 coming off a sweep at Veteran's Stadium in +Philadelphia, and Houston was swept in it's first three games by the +Phillies in the Astrodome. That, my Western Division friends, shows +that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you +think!! + +PHILS ALL THE WAY IN '93 +BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB +REDS NEED MARGE",9 +"(1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like + to give them some individuality. + +(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? + I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I + can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . + +Any and all help is welcomed. +",2 +"Had a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with +this guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware +and I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case +any on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return +email and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis +roomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net +privilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net.",6 +"Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and +Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a +real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? + +(Looking for something to replace this ATI Ultra+ with...) +",2 +"Hi Folks. + +As part of my self-introduction to X I've been trying to do some simple +icon animation (sort of like icondoit from mswindows). Changing your +own applications icon is fairly simple: If you have a widget ID you can +just XtSetValues on XtNiconifyPixmap (or whatever) and you're done. Alternately +you can set window manager hints. These methods don't seem to work with +icons which your application doesn't specifically own. + +In my situation I have to change the icon of random windows sitting there in +my icon box so my question is: Given a window-id, how do you change the +icon pixure ? A working example would be very much appreciated. If it makes +any difference, I'm using motif 1.1 on VMS T6.0-5KE.",5 +" >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. + >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as + >I am concerned. + +This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me.",13 +"From article , by tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker): + + +My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically +known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked +that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't +set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code +and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew +'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'.",14 +" +But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to +one run.",9 +" +To construct a Kirlian device find a copy of _Handbook of Psychic +Discoveries_ by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder 1975 Library of +Congress 73-88532. It describes the necessary equipment and + suppliers for the Tesla coil or alternatives, the copper plate and +setup. I used a pack of SX-70 film and removed a single pack in a +dark room, then made the exposure, put it back in the film pack and +ran it out through the rollers of the camera forinstant developing +and very high quality. It is a good way to experience what Kirlian +Photography is really and what it is not. As you know all ready, +it is the pattern in the bioplasmic energy fieldthat is significant. +Variations caused by exposure time, distance from the plate, or +pressure on the plate, or variations in the photo materials are not +important.",13 +" +[Excellent discussion of DC-X landing techniques by Henry deleted] + + +The DC-X will not take of horizontally. It takes of vertically. + + +For several reasons. Vertical landings don't require miles of runway and limit +noise pollution. They don't require wheels or wings. Just turn on the engines +and touch down. Of course, as Henry pointed out, vetical landings aren't quite +that simple. + + +Well, to be blunt, yes. But at least you're learning. + + +The Soyuz vehicles use parachutes for the descent and then fire small rockets +just before they hit the ground. Parachutes are, however, not especially +practical if you want to reuse something without much effort. The landings +are also not very comfortable. However, in the words of Georgy Grechko, +""I prefer to have bruises, not to sink."" + +",14 +"I've been looking into getting a portable Mac to do some work and I've +had my eye on the PB 100. Lately, I've been seeing people with the old +portables, and they're selling for $300 LESS that the PB 100s. What I +want to know is: what are the differences between them? All I know is +that the Portable is heavier, but the PB100 doesn't have an internal +drive. Here's what I NEED to know: + +Does the portable support Appletalk/network connections? +What's the CPU inside a Portable? (68000?) +DOES THE PORTABLE SUPPORT SYSTEM 7????????? +What's the maximum memory capacity of the Portable? Can you still get + RAM (meaning: does it use special SIMMS?) +What kind of internal HD does it use? +Does the Portable have a better screen? + + THANX in advance.",4 +"I have tickets for the TB Giants and I was wondering if +anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where +Section 15 in the lower level is located. + Please e-mail the response, + Thanks, + Rich",9 +"I have two questions: + +1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows. + When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text + disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second + line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not + know how to correct it. + +2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go? + +E-mail prefered... + _____ +Who else is still waiting for ""Naked Gun Part (Pi) | | """,2 +" >In article phil@netcom.com (Phil + > + >>Libertarians want the State out of our lives. + >> + >>NAMBLA members want to fuck little boys. + >> + >>NOW do you get it? + >> + >I see! Libertarians want to have the right to fuck little + >children of either sex, and want to make sure everyone else + >has this right too. NAMBLA just wants to have the right to + >fuck little boys. + > + >>Or are you just a secret member of NAMBLA? + >> + >You're the one who suddenly seems to be defending the right + >to fuck children. How many little girls have you raped today, + >Phil? + > + >If wanting to abolish the age of consent is not repectable, + >it is not respectable for anyone. + +Hmm, you still don't get it. Then again, I'm not posting from a University +where the hue and cry was raised against ""Jewish physics"". + +Tell me, committed any anti-semitic acts today? What kind of boots do you +wear? + +And still -- Libertarians want the State out of their lives. Parents are very +capable of protecting their children against the predations of pedophiles, +which, BTW, you still haven't disassociated yourself from. + +Are you, or are you not, a member of NAMBLA? + + + +-- +There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of +environmental disaster. Weird, eh?",18 +" + +It can be painless, so it isn't cruel. And, it has occurred frequently +since the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual. + + +But, innocents die due to many causes. Why have you singled out +accidental or false execution as the one to take issue with?",0 +" +I tell you, Steve Stone is like a prophet. +He must be making a ton in the boradcoast booth because +I can't understand why he's not actually back in the game itself. + +The other day he called Sosa's homerun against the Sox and +claimed the game would be going into extra innings when the +score was 8-3 in the 5th. + +So yesterday he notices that Sosa's ahead in the count against +Maddux and says, ""This is a fastball situation and Sosa will be +looking for it. But this is also the spot where Maddux throws +the straight change."" Sure enough. Sosa gets ahead on it and pops +it up to the infield. + +Stoney for Cubs manager!",9 +"THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary +_________________________________________________________________ +For Immediate Release April 5, 1993 + + + + + PUBLIC SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT + TUESDAY, APRIL 6, 1993 + + + +11:15 AM EST PRESIDENT CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS with + Egyptian President Mubarek, the East Room, + The White House + + Open Press + + + + + FUTURE SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT + + +APRIL 16, 1993 PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Japanese Prime + Minister Miyazawa, the White House +",18 +"ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229* +CONDITION: excellent +AGE: 1 year old +PRICE: $300 + +*includes TOS.LINK + +ITEM: Sony CDP 770 +CONDITION: excellent +AGE: 2.5 years old +PRICE: $250 +Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have +only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you +are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail +(pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. + +Thanks, +Jon +(412) 882-6425",6 +"The recent rise of nostalgia in this group, combined with the + incredible level of utter bullshit, has prompted me to comb + through my archives and pull out some of ""The Best of Alt.Atheism"" + for your reading pleasure. I'll post a couple of these a day + unless group concensus demands that I stop, or I run out of good + material. + + I haven't been particularly careful in the past about saving + attributions. I think the following comes from John A. Johnson, + but someone correct me if I'm wrong. This is probably the longest + of my entire collection. + +________________________________________________________ + + + So that the + Prophecy be + Fulfilled + + * * * + + In considering the Christian religion, and judging it +according to its claims, it is important to look at its claims at +fulfilling earlier Jewish prophecy. The scribe Matthew is perhaps +the most eager to draw out what he thinks are prophetic answers in +the career of Jesus of Nazareth. As you will see, Matthew's main +strategy is to take various Old Testament passages, often not even +about the promised Messiah, and apply them to the circumstances in +the New Testament. We must also bear in mind the question of the +authenticity of the accounts. Since the gospels were written at +least 35 years after Jesus was executed, we do not know how much +happened exactly as stated. But, for purposes of analysis, we +will take particular claims at face value. + +Immanuel: + + We begin, of course, at the beginning. + + (Mt 1.21-22): ""[Mary] will bear a son, and you, + Joseph, will name him 'Jesus' (which means G'd is + salvation), for he will save his people from their + sins."" All this happened to fulfil what the lord had + spoken by a prophet: + + [Isaiah 7.1-16]: In the days of Ahaz (c. 750 BCE), + king of Judah, Rezin of Syria and Pekah of Israel made + war on Jerusalem (capitol of Judah), but could not + quite conquer it. When the house of David (i.e. Ahaz + and his court in Judah) were told of this, ...its + heart and the heart of its people shook... And, the + lord G'd said to Isaiah, ""go to meet with Ahaz..."" + ...And the lord spoke to Ahaz (through prophet Isaiah, + naturally) saying, ""Ask a sign of G'd your lord. It + can be as deep as Sheol or as high as heaven."" But, + Ahaz said, ""I won't ask; I will not put the lord to a + test."" Then (Isaiah) said, ""Hear then, O house of + David. Is it not enough for you to weary men, that + you must weary my god too? Therefore, the lord + himself will give you a sign: Behold, a young woman + is with child and will bear a son, and name him + ""Immanuel,"" which means, ""G'd is with us."" He will + eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse evil + and choose good. For, before the child knows how to + refuse evil and choose good, the land of the two kings + you dread will have been deserted... + +Matthew homes in on just the sentence that is in italics. +Further, he the Hebrew word ""almah,"" (young woman), as +specifically, ""virgin."" But, this is not a prophecy about the +Messiah. It is not a prophecy about an event to happen 750 years +later. It is not a prophecy about a virgin (bethulah) mother. In +short, it not about Jesus. Matthew has made use of a verse out of +context, and tries to make it fit the specific case of Mary. It +should be noted that if we want to read the prophecy in a general +manner, a very general one, it can be made to fit Mary. Mary, +virgin or not, was indeed a young woman with child. Of course, +the fit is shady and has problems. Jesus, while thought of by +later Christians to be G'd walking among men, was never called by +the name, Immanuel. If Christianity wished to claim this prophecy +for Jesus, it becomes at best a cut-and-paste prophecy... a second +class prophecy. Not too convincing. + +Egypt: + + After Jesus's birth in Bethlehem, Matthew tells about a +quick (and elsewhere unmentioned) excursion to Egypt, as if he +wishes to liken Jesus to Moses. This was done to escape an +alleged infanticidal rampage of the king, Herod. + + [Mt 2.15] ...and remained there until the death of + Herod. This was to fulfil what the lord had spoken: + ""Out of Egypt I have cal-led my son."" + + +What the lord really said was this. + + [Hosea 11.1] When Israel was a child, I loved him. + And, out of Egypt I called my son. The more I called + them (my people), the more they went from me; they + kept sacrificing to the Ba'als, and kept burning + incense to idols. + +Matthew conveniently omits the rest of Hosea's oracle. But, it +was indeed Israel that, once called out of Egypt, wanted to +return. This is history. Jesus is certainly not being spoken of +here. And, if we are to draw some kind of parallel here, we wind +up with a Jesus that flees and resists G'd. Again, this prophecy +is just not as convincing as Matthew probably had hoped. + +Rachel Weeps: + + While Jesus is off vacationing in Egypt, Matthew says that +King Herod sought to kill him, and thus ordered the executions of +all young male children. Matthew then writes, + + [Mt 2.17-18] By this, that which was spoken by the + prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: + + ""A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud + lamentation-- Rachel weeping for her children; + she refused to be consoled, because they were + no more."" + +The reference is to a passage in Jeremiah 31.15, referring to the +carrying off of Israel into exile by Sargon (of Assyria) in 722 +BCE. Rachel, the ancestor of the major tribes of Israel, Ephraim, +and Manasseh, is said to weep for her descendants who are ""no +more."" It is metaphorical, of course, since Rachel lived and dies +before the Hebrews were even in the Egyptian exile. + It is interesting to note that it was Leah, not Rachel, who +was the ancestor of the Judeans (the land where Jesus and +Bethlehem were). If anyone should do weeping for her ""children,"" +it is Leah. The only connexion that Rachel has with Bethlehem is +that the legends have it that she was buried north of the city, +""on the way to Ephrath, (Bethlehem)."" + As for Herod and his infanticide, it is rather unlikely +that such an event actually occurred. One never knows, but the +event is not mentioned or alluded to anywhere else in the Bible, +nor is it mentioned in any of the secular records of the time. +Herod was particularly unliked in his reign, and many far less +evil deeds of Herod were carefully recorded. This might be a +prime example of how events were added to Jesus's life to enhance +the message of the church's gospel. + Because of the whole story's similarity to the tale of the +infant Moses in Egypt, it is highly likely that it is a device set +up by Matthew to add prophetic, yet artificial, approval of Jesus. +It is not surprising that Matthew conveniently neglects to mention +the rest of the Jeremiah quote. The ""children"" the prophet +speaks of are not dead, but exiled in the Assyrian Empire. G'd +comforts the weeping Rachel, saying that the children will be +returned-- he will gather them back together. Of course, this +would not suit Matthew's purpose, as the children he speaks of are +dead for good. Again, the ""prophecy"" Matthew sets up is not even +that, and to anyone who bothers to check it out, is not too +convincing. + +The Nazarene: + + We do not even have to go to the next chapter to find +another Matthean prophecy. After leaving Egypt, Joseph & wife +take the infant Jesus to live in the city of Nazareth, + + [Mt 2.23] ...that what was spoken of by the prophets + might be fulfilled, ""He shall be called a Nazarene."" + +First thing we notice is that Matthew does not mention the name of +the prophet(s) this time. Second, we have to ask who ""He"" is. +There are no Messianic prophecies speaking of a Nazarene. Worse, +there are no prophecies, period, mentioning a Nazarene. Still +worse, there are no Nazarenes mentioned in the Old Testament at +all. In the book of Judges, an angel tells Samson's mother that +she will, + + [Judges 13.5] ""...conceive and bear a son. No razor + shall tough his head, for he will be a Nazirite to his + god from the day of his birth. He will deliver Israel + from the hands of the Philistines."" + +This is of course not a prophecy of Jesus, or the messiah of G'd. +But, it is the best that can be found. Obviously, Matthew has +begun to go overboard in cut-and-paste prophecies, in that he is +simple making them up now. + +Bearing our +Diseases: + + Jesus next goes around healing people of physical illnesses +and disabilities. + + [Mt 8.17] This was to fulfil what was spoken by the + prophet Isaiah, ""He took our infirmities and bore our + diseases."" + +As expected, the verse quoted in Isaiah is quoted out of context, +and a few words are skewed to fit the Christian scheme. We have, + + [Is 53.4] Surely he, [the suffering servant], has + borne our sickness, and carried our pains. + +From a reading of the surrounding passages in Isaiah, we know that +the prophet is speaking in present tense of the collective nation +of Israel, Jehovah's chosen servant and people. He speaks to the +Israelites suffering in exile, in the voice of the gentile nations +that look upon it. This image is deeply ingrained in Jewish +identity --an image of a chastised, yet cherished, Israel as the +instrument of the nations' salvation by G'd. + The verses speak of Israel taking on the sicknesses which +are the literal and metaphorical manifestations of guilt and +discipline. They do not speak of a ""servant"" going around and +healing people. Notice that the servant in Isaiah takes on the +sicknesses and pains of the nations (and individual Jews). Jesus, +as we all know, did not take the diseases onto himself. The +verses here in Isaiah are not a prophecy of something to come, but +rather something that had already happened. While it is believed +that Jesus took on the eternal punishment of hell, he did not bear +the illnesses he healed. So, while someone might want to say +that, figuratively, Jesus reenacted the deeds of Israel in his +spiritual atonement, he has to admit that Matthew's parallel +misses where he intended it to have its effect. + + +Silent Messiah: + + Upon healing multitudes of commoners, it is said that Jesus +ordered them to keep quiet, presumable so that he wouldn't arouse +the attention of the local rulers. + + [Mt 12.15-21] This was to fulfill what was spoken by + the prophet Isaiah. + + ""Behold my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved, + with whom my soul is pleased. I will put my spirit on + him, and he will announce justice to the Gentiles. He + will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear + his voice in the streets. He will not break a bruised + reed or quench a smoldering wick until he brings + justice to victory, and the gentiles will hope in his + name."" + +The Isaiah passage quoted reads, + + [Is 42.1-4] Behold my servant whom I uphold, my + chosen, in whom my soul delights. I have put my + spirit on him, and he will bring forth justice to the + nations. We will not cry or lift up his voice, or + make it heard in the street. He will not break a + bruised reed, or quench a smoldering wick. He will + faithfully bring forth justice. He will not fail + (burn dimly) or be discouraged (bruised) until he has + established justice in the earth. And the coastlands + await his law. + +You see, Matthew has conveniently left out part of the passage, +because it does not suit the dealings of Jesus. Christians could +never think of Jesus failing, never would the ""light"" of mankind +burn dimly. But, the servant nation of Israel will indeed come to +an end when its job is done. When the gentiles come to embrace +G'd there will no longer be a chosen people, but rather all will +be the children of G'd. Also, the ending phrase has been changed +from the Judaic ""...the coastlands await his law."" to the +Christologic, ""the Gentiles will hope in his name."" While the +original proclaims the Torah law of Jehovah, the other rewrites it +to fit its strange doctrine of ""believing in the name."" If one +has any doubt the servant referred to is not Jesus, one has only +to read the whole chapter, Isaiah 42, and hear about the beloved +but blind and imperfect servant, ""a people robbed and +plundered..."" So, we see that when Matthew's attempt at +""prophecy"" is examined, it crumbles. + +Three Days and +Three Nights: + + Now we come upon a prophecy supposedly uttered by the very +mouth of the god Jesus himself. He speaks of his crucifixion and +resurrection. + + [Mt 12.40] For as Jonah was in the belly of the + whale for three days and three nights, so will the Son + of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and + three nights. + +Before any further discussion can occur, it is necessary to know +how the Jews understood days. As far as day names went, each was +24 hours long, lasting from sunset 6pm to the following sunset +6pm. What was referred to as a ""day"" was the period of light from +6am to the ending sunset at 6pm. Thus, according to our time +scale, a sabbath day began at 6pm Friday evening, and lasted until +6pm saturday evening. This is why the Jews celebrate their +sabbath on the daylight portion of Saturdays, instead of Sundays. +(It seems like a real miracle that Christians didn't forget that +Saturday was indeed the seventh and last day of the week!) Thus, +when days and nights are referred to together, 12 hour daylight +portions and 12 hour night periods are being spoken of. Thus, +Jesus says that he will be in the grave, or in hell, or otherwise +unresurrected for three days and three nights. + + As the good book tells us, Jesus was crucified on the ""ninth +hour,"" which is 3pm, Friday afternoon. He then was put into the +grave sometime after that. Then, Jesus left the grave, ""rose,"" +before dawn of what we call Sunday (The dawn after the sabbath was +over). What this means is that Jesus was, using our time for +clarity, in the grave from 6pm Friday night to some time before +6am Sunday morning. We could also add a little time before 6pm +Friday, since the bible is not specific here. What this means +using Jewish time is that he was in the grave for one day, two +nights, and possibly a couple of hours of one day. Certainly this +is a problem for Jesus prediction. There is absolutely no way we +are even able to have his death involve three days and three +nights --even using modern time measurements. We then are led to +suspect that this error is another one of Matthew's little +mistakes, and that the gospel writer put false words into his +god's mouth. And no matter who made the prediction, it is more +than unconvincing... it is counter-convincing. + +Hearing & +Understanding: + + Jesus tool on a habit of speaking to his vast audiences in +parables-- stories in which a deeper meaning could be found, if +you were already one of the elect, those chosen to understand the +message of Jesus. He reasons that those who can understand the +parables are the ones he wants. If the people cannot understand +them, there is no need to bother with them, since they will not +accept the ""plain"" message any better. Matthew says, + + [Mt 13.14-16] With them [the audience] indeed in + fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says, + + ""You will indeed hear but never understand; and you + will indeed see, but never perceive. Because this + people's heart has grown dull, their ears are heavy of + hearing, and they have shut their eyes so the they + would not perceive with them, her with their ears, and + understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal + them."" + +The original Isaiah passages are part of his earlier works, his +call to the ministry. This is in 740 BCE, when Israel is +flourishing, right before it falls under the authority of Assyria. +Isaiah sees the good times ending, and also a vision from G'd, +calling him to bring reform to Israel and Judah. + + [Is 6.9-13] And G'd said, ""Go, and say to this + people, `Hear and hear, but do not understand; see and + see, but do not perceive.' Make the heart of this + people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their + eyes, so they will not see with their eyes, or hear + with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and + turn and be healed."" Then Isaiah said, ""How long, + lord?"" And he said, ""Until the cities lie waste + without inhabitant, and houses without men, and the + land is utterly desolate, and the G'ds take men far + away, and forsaken places are many in the land. And + though a tenth will remain in it, it will be burned + again, like a terebinth or an oak whose stump still + stands when the tree is felled."" The holy seed is its + stump. + +Here we see that it is really G'd who causes the people of Israel +to stop listening to the prophet's warnings, but reaffirms the +promise made to Solomon's (and David's) seed/lineage. If you read +the rest of Isaiah, you find that this is done to fulfil the plan +of G'd to use Israel as a servant, a light to the nations. (Look +at Isaiah 42.18-25, 48.20, 49.3) + We see that Matthew has cut-and-pasted just a little portion +of Isaiah's verse, to suit his own gospel needs. More than that, +he has altered the words, to make it fit the people who didn't +understand Jesus's stories. And, as we see, Isaiah's verses are +not prophecies, but rather commands from G'd to him, in the +present. Once again, Matthew's prophecy falls flat on its face. + + Matthew tries again to make Jesus's parables look like they +have the prophetic approval. + + [Mt 13.35] ...he said nothing to them without a + parable. This was to fulfil what was spoken of by the + prophet, ""I will open my mouth to them in parables. I + will utter that which has been hidden since the + foundation of the world."" + +Matthew really botches up here. He attempts to quote not from a +prophet, but from the Psalms. + + [Ps 78.2-4] I will open my mouth in parable. I will + utter dark sayings of old, things that we all have + heard and known, things that our fathers have told us. + We will not hide them from their children, but tell to + the coming generation the glorious deeds of the + lord... + +As was pointed out, the verses in the Psalms do not really come +from a prophet. You might also want to know that earlier copies +of Matthew's gospel even inserted Isaiah's name as this prophet. +Apparently, later scribes caught the error and tried to cover some +of it up. + Perhaps the most significant part of this is that, once +again, Matthew has altered the Old Testament Scriptures. As Jesus +has said earlier, he speaks in parables so that some will not +understand them. The parables in the Psalms are not to be hidden. +Further, they speak of things ""known, that our fathers have told +us."" Jesus deals with things ""hidden since the foundation of the +world."" Indeed Jesus dealt in a lot of secrecy and confusion. +This is in direct opposition to the parables in the Psalms. No +wonder Matthew had to rewrite them! And still once again, +Matthew's artificial prophecies fall flat on their face. But, +Christians rarely look at this. Matthew's prophecies aren't the +only things about Christianity that are beginning to look bad. + + +Excuses of +Little Faith: + + In Mt. 17.14-21, we see that the disciples are able to go +around casting out demons, except in one case. Not knowing what +epilepsy was, the people thought those with the disease were +possesed with demons. It is no wonder that the disciples were +unable to ""dispossess"" the epileptic. But, Jesus, perhaps no more +enlightened than they, is reported to have rebuked them, saying +they didn't have enough faith. This seems strange. Why was this +demon special? It seems that either a true believer has faith or +he does not. Apparently, enough faith will allow someone to move +mountains. Of course, you will find no one, these days that can +move real mountains. No one parts seas. The only miracles the +Charismatics can speak of are those rumoured to happen on trips to +Mexico or some faraway place. Major miracles are making some old +woman's arthritis feel better on Sunday morning T.V. + + And the gods, including Jesus, are always shrouded in +ancient lore and writings, protected from the skeptics in their +sacred pasts. They are either dead, sleeping, or hiding in +heaven, with people rumouring about their imminent return and +their great miracles of days long gone. Yet, life goes on. + + Tales of mystics, stories of miracles-- all in a distant time +or a distant place. Gods used to reveal themselves to men in the +old days, Jehovah too. But, now they are silent. All the +theologians give are various excuses as to why we don't get to see +God anymore. + + We're too lazy; we're not zealous enough; we're + sinful; it's just his ""plan""; we put too many of our + own demands on G'd's appearance; if we had the right + faith, if we were willing to meet G'd on his terms... + + Yet, even the most pious of men have not seen G'd. You, dear +reader, have not seen G'd. Not literally, you know that to be +true. (I know that's presumptuous and bold. But, searching your +heart, you know what I mean.) All that we've seen religions do is +make people feel good and content about not seeing G'd. They say +our little faith does not merit us to see G'd. Sometimes, they +say, ""See the love in these people you worship with... see the +lives of people change... that is seeing G'd."" Thus people get +lulled to sleep, satisfied with turning G'd into the everyday +sights. But, that is not seeing G'd as I am speaking of... it is +not seeing G'd the way people used to see. + What we see in the world that is good, is the compassion of +human hearts, the love given and taken by men and women, the +forgiveness practised by Christian & Atheist alike, beauty created +by the mind of man. These are the things that are done; these are +what we see. But, it is said this is so only because everybody +has little faith. + +Jesus Rides on +an Ass: + + Shortly after accepting the role of the Jewish messiah +king, Jesus requests a donkey be brought in for him to ride into +Jerusalem. + + [Mt 21.5] This took place to fulfil what was spoken + by the prophet, saying, + + Tell the daughter of Zion, ""Behold, your king is + coming to you, humble, mounted on an ass, and on a + ass-colt."" + +Of course, the passage quoted from Zechariah 9.9 reads a little +differently. + + Lo, your king comes to you; he is triumphant and + victorious, humble, and riding on an ass, on an ass- + colt... he will command peace to the nations. + +There isn't all that much difference here, except that Zechariah +only involves one animal --an ass-colt-- while Matthew reads the +poetic wording slightly differently. Thus, he has Jesus call for +both a colt and an adult ass. From Matthew's version, we get a +comical picture of the divine Christ sweating it to straddle two +donkeys. This could inevitably lead to a theological, +proctological dilemma! We find that in the account written +earlier by St. Mark, only the colt was called for and brought to +Jesus. This indeed fits the verses of Zechariah properly, and +shows us that in Matthew attempt to use prophetic verses, he has +bungled. Now, excluding many respectable Christians I have met, I +have noticed that while Christ is thought to have ridden on asses, +the situation is often reversed nowadays... + + Then, entering the Jerusalem temple, the priests were +angered at people and youngsters calling Jesus the messiah. But, +Jesus replied as we might expect Matthew to have done, + + [Mt 21.16] Haven't you read? `Out of the mouth of + babes and sucklings thou has brought perfect praise.' + +It is more likely that Matthew made this response up since Jesus +was never one to point out such little ""prophetic"" things AND +since, as we might expect, the quote is in error, which seems to +fit Matthew's track record quite well. We might ask Jesus or +Matthew, ""Haven't you read?"" for the source reads, + + [Psalms 8.1-2] O YaHWeH our lord, how majestic is + your name in the whole world! You, whose glory is + chanted above the heavens by babes and infants, you + have founded a bulwark against your foes to still the + enemy and the avenger. + +The passages hardly need comment. There is no ""perfect praise"" +spoken of in the psalm, and what praise is there is given to G'd, +not his messiah king, and not Jesus. As mentioned, it seems to be +just one more case of Matthew's pen making up convenient prophetic +scripture. + +YHVH said to +my lord...: + + Jesus is said to have asked from whom the promised Jewish +messiah-king is to be descended. The Jews agree-- it is king +David. But, then Jesus counters by quoting Psalms 110, + + ""The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until + I put your enemies under your feet."" + +Taken at face value, Jesus is denying the necessity of Davidic +descent. One assumes he is in opposition to their answer. Of +course, the Christian answer is that he agrees, but is trying to +make some hidden point, to reveal some mystery about the divine +nature of the messiah-king. It's tempting to believe this, if one +is a Christian and not interested in matters of investigation. +But, there are problems. + In Jesus's time, the psalm was thought to be about the +messiah. And, it is easy to see why David might refer to the +messiah as his superior. We need only look at the scriptures +about the messiah to see that he is expected to be a great king, +bringing the Jews to times even better than those under David's +rule. Of course, the Jews listening had no good answer, and the +passage could indeed refer to a divine messiah, such as the +Christians worship. The problem lies in the meaning of this +psalm, an error that apparently several Jews of Jesus's time had +also made. One must remember that there were various factions +among the Jews, often as a result of different expectations of the +messiah-king. Jesus was apparently one of these adventists, like +his audience, who thought the messiah's advent was imminent, and +who interpreted Psalms 110, among others, as being messianic. +What is the problem, then? Psalm 110 literally reads, + + YHVH's utterance to my lord: + ""Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your + footstool."" + + YHVH sends forth your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule + in the midst of your foes! Your people will offer + themselves freely on the day you lead your host on the + holy mountains. + + ""You are a priest of the order of Melchizedek + forever."" + +The word ""lord"" is often mistakenly capitalised by Christian +bibles to denote divinity in this lord. But, in the Hebrew, the +word is ""adoni,"" and no capitalisation exists. Adoni simply means +""lord,"" a generic term as we would use it. It is used often in +the scriptures to refer to kings and to G'd. It is merely an +address of respect. + There is nothing in the text itself to imply that the word +refers either to divinity or to the messiah-king. That this is +supposed to be written by David is not certain. The title of the +psalm translates to either ""a psalm of David,"" or ""a psalm about +David."" It seems fitting to assume it to be written by a court +poet, about David's covenant and endorsement from G'd. If the +psalm had been written by David, it is unlikely that he would be +talking about the messiah. The idea of a perfect king, descended +from David, was not present in David's age. We have extensive +tales of David's doings and sayings-- none of which include any +praises of a messiah. + Many of the psalms show evidence of being written long after +David was dead, in times of the exile when G'd had put his show of +favour for David's kingdom on hold. + The description in the psalm fit David very well. David was +promised by G'd a rise to power, victory over his enemies, +successful judgement among the nations he conquered. He achieved +the priesthood common to Melchizedek in being a righteous king, +enabled to bless the people. It all fits. + We do not have to blame this problem on Matthew alone, +though. Here, there is not artificial prophecy alluded to, though +his use of the scripture is rather questionable. Still, this +event is common to the other gospels too. So, we let Matthew off +a little more easily this time. It is interesting to note, +though, how Matthew dresses up the event. The earlier gospel of +Mark tells the tale with Jesus simply speaking to a crowd. +Matthew has the Pharisees, who became the religious competition of +an infant Christianity, be the target of Jesus's question. As we +might expect, Matthew writes that the event ends up by +embarrassing the Pharisees. Such power is the pen. + +Moses & Jesus, +Had it Together +All Along...: + + We leave the gospel story of Matthew momentarily to see a +pseudo-prophecy in John's gospel. The gospel story of John +deserves special treatment, because it seems to be so far removed +from the real events of Jesus's career as told by even Matthew. +But, for the moment, we will just look at one verse. The early +church leaders founded a religion on the Jewish hopes of a messiah +king, and on an artificial extension of the original promises made +by G'd. When constructing the history of Abraham, Moses wrote of +a promise of land and nationhood to the Jewish people. While this +was accomplished eventually, under the rule of king David, the +Christians who came along later decided that they would claim the +fulfillment of the promise. But, to do so, they expanded on the +promise, preaching about a heavenly kingdom. + + [John 8.56] (J.C. speaking) Your father, Abraham, + rejoiced to see My day. He say it and was glad. + +It would be nice to tie in approval for Jesus from Abraham, but, +Abraham knew nothing of Jesus or a messiah, or anything Christian. +I have tried, and failed to find any event in the Old Testament +which corresponds to John's little prophecy. It is par for the +course to see St. John making up Old Testament backings, just like +his forerunner Matthew. Many Christians know that their faith has +many of its foundations in such fraud, and it is surprising they +still cling to it. + +The Potter's +Field: + + We are told that Jesus was betrayed while in Jerusalem by +one of his followers, Judas Iscariot. Matthew writes, + + [Mt 27.5-10] And throwing down the pieces of silver + in the temple, [Judas] departed... But, the chief + priests, taking the silver, said, ""It isn't lawful for + us to put it in the treasury, since it is blood + money."" So they... bought a potter's field with it to + bury strangers in... Then was fulfilled what was + spoken by the prophet Jeremiah, + + ""And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price + of him on whom a price had been set by some of the + sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter's + field, as the lord directed me."" + +This prophecy is an utterly gross bastardisation of Old Testament +Scripture. First, Matthew has made a mistake regarding the name +of the prophet. It is Zechariah who utters the verses which +Matthew makes use of. + + [Zech. 11.12-13] ...And they weighed out my wages, + thirty shekels of silver. Then YHVH said to me, ""Cast + them to the treasury,"" --the lordly price at which I + was paid off by them. So I took the thirty shekels of + silver and cast them into the treasury in the house of + YHVH. + +First of all, the verses of Zechariah do not deal with a betrayer +of the messiah, or of G'd. The deal with a shepherd, most likely +a priest, chosen to serve a function of presiding over the people +shortly before G'd would send Judah and Israel into conflict with +one another. The word, ""treasury,"" had been replaced by the King +James Scholars with ""to the potter,"" precisely because this made +Matthew's quote fit better. But, this is a blatant error. The +correct translation of the Hebrew is indeed ""treasury,"" which also +makes perfect sense in Zechariah's context, whereas ""potter's +field"" is totally unrelated. Whether the mistranslation was +intentional or not seems to be beyond speculation. However, given +Matthew's track record, one finds it hard to resist the notion of +intentional dishonesty. + Of course, Matthew would have ample reason for altering the +text. The thirty pieces of silver match Judas's situation, and if +as most Christians seem to be, the reader is willing to disregard +the contextual incongruity, Matthew might have another prophecy to +toss around. However, the correct translation of Zechariah +directly contradicts the situation with Judas and the high +priests. The high priests would not put the money in the +treasury. The worthless shepherd of Zechariah does exactly the +opposite! Of course, to the average Thursday-Night Bible student, +the ""prophecy"" as presented by Matthew would be taken at New +Testament face value. To those, Matthew's work is convincing +enough. + +Wine, Vinegar, +& Casting Lots: + + Then, Jesus is led away to be crucified. + + [Mt 27.34-35] ...they gave him vinegar to drink, + mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not + drink it. And, when they had crucified him, they + divided his garments among them by casting lots: that + it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet, + + ""They parted my garments among them, and upon my + vesture did they cast lots."" + +First of all, the vinegar offered to Jesus is actually common sour +wine, of the type that Roman soldiers drank regularly. We find +that right before Jesus dies, the soldiers themselves give him +some to drink --not polluted with gall. + + [Jn 19.28-30] Jesus... said, ""I thirst."" A bowl of + vinegar stood there, so they put a sponge full of the + vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When he + had received the vinegar, he said, ""It is finished;"" + +But, Matthew seems to be drawing on, not a passage from the +prophets, but one from the Psalms. + + [Ps 69.20-28] I looked for pity, but there was none; + and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me + poison for food (lit. they put gall in my meat), and + for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink... Add + to them punishment upon punishment, may they have no + acquittal from thee. Let them be blotted out of the + Book of the Living. + +Of course, the sour wine offered to Jesus is done at his request +of drink. This does indeed seem to be a show of pity. The psalm +quoted is about David and his political and military enemies. It +is not about the messiah or Jesus. It is then not surprising that +we run into further problem when we see that the ""Jesus"" in the +psalm asks G'd for the damnation of the ""crucifiers,"" whereas the +Jesus of the gospels says, + + [Lk 23.34] Jesus said, ""Father, forgive them, the + don't know what they do!"" + +Further, Matthew misses with his attempt to create prophecy by +having gall (a bitter substance) put into Jesus's drink, not his +meat, as the psalm stipulates. + + With the ""prophecy"" of the vinegar faulty, we naturally +ask, ""What of the casting of lots?"" This brings up the 22nd +Psalm, which deserves discussion all by itself. Suffice it now to +say that the fact that Jesus's clothes were divided as told is no +great thing. It turns out that this happened often to any felon +in those days. As we will soon see, it is perhaps the least +erroneous passage of the psalm when applied to Jesus. It does +indeed bring up the interesting question as to the quality of +Jesus's clothes. For a man so removed from worldly possessions, +his ownership of clothes worthy of casting lots raises some +suspicions. + +The 22nd Psalm: + + This psalm is attributed to David, as a lament of his +condition under the attack of his enemies. It becomes a song of +praise to YHVH and of hope. Taken out of context, parts of it +seem to fit the plight of Jesus at the crucifixion quite well. We +will examine the primary passages. + + Verse 1-2: My god, my god! why have you forsaken me?! + Why are you so far from helping me, far from the words + of my groaning? Oh, my god, I cry by day, but you + don't answer, and by night, but find no rest. + +Jesus is said to have cried the first sentence while on the cross. +This suggests that the whole psalm is really about Jesus, rather +than king David. Of course, the rest of the first stanza does not +fit as nicely to Jesus or his execution. Jesus is not pictured as +complaining about the whole ordeal, he is supposed to be like ""the +lamb led mute before its shearers."" Indeed, Jesus doesn't do much +groaning, even when on the cross. He certainly does not cry by +both day and night on the cross. + + 6-8: But, I am a worm, and no man-- scorned by men... + All who see me mock at me. They make faces and wag + their heads; ""He committed his cause to YHVH. So let + him deliver him... for he delights in him."" + +This seems to fit Jesus's execution pretty well, with the +exception of the Holy messiah being called a worm. + + 12-13: Many bulls encompass me... they open their + mouths widely at me like a ravening and roaring lion. + + 16-18: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of + evildoers encir-cle me, they have pierced my hands and + feet. I can see all my bones... They divide my + garments among them, and cast lost for my raiment. + + 19-21: But you, YHVH, be not far away! ...Deliver my + soul from the sword, my life from the power of the + dog! Save me from the mouth of the lion, and my + afflicted soul from the horns of the wild bull! + +It would seem quite convincing, and I'm sure the early Christian +fathers who wrote of this prophecy thought so too. Unfortunately, +this prophecy has a fatal flaw. The words ""have pierced"" really +do not exist in the psalm. The correct Hebrew translation is, + + 16: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of + evildoers encircles me, like the lion, they are at my + hands and feet... + +In Hebrew the phrase ""like the lion"" and a very rare verb form +which can mean ""pierced"" differ by one phonetic character. The +word in the Hebrew text is literally, ""like the lion"" (ka'ari), +which makes sense in the context, and even further fits the animal +imagery employed by the psalm writer. It is convenience that +would urge a Christian to change the word to ""ka'aru."" But, to +add the needed (yet artificial) weight to the ""prophecy"" this is +just what the Christian translators have chosen to do. While the +correct translation does not eliminate the psalm from referring to +Jesus, its absence does not say much for the honesty of the +translators. + + Apart from the erroneous verse 16, the psalm does not lend +itself to Jesus so easily. Verse 20 speaks of the sufferer being +saved from a sword rather than a cross. This naturally fits the +psalm's true subject, king David. As a side note, we now know +that crucifixions did not pierce the hands, the palms, but rather +the forearms. This doesn't say much in favour of the traditional +thought of a resurrected Jesus showing his disciples the scars on +his palms. But then, facts aren't bound by our religious beliefs. + + Matthew escapes culpability this time, as he does not +attempt to draw many direct links between this psalm and his lord +Jesus. But the psalm, like many others, was on the minds of all +the gospel writers when they compiled the stories and +interpretations of Jesus's life and death. How much these +scriptures may have contributed to what actually got written down +is a question that has serious repercussions for Christian +theology. It is easy to see, for those who are not faithful +fundamentalists, how some of the events in the New Testament might +have been ""enhanced"" by scribes such as the eager Matthew. But, +it does less to speculate than to simply investigate scriptural +matters and prophetic claims. So far, this has not said good +things for St. Matthew. + +The reference to the piercing looks a lot like Jesus's +crucifixion. John's gospel recount, written about 70 years after +the fact, tells us at Jesus's execution, + + [Jn 19.34,37] But one of the soldiers pierced his + side with a spear, and out came blood and water... + these things took place that Scripture be fulfilled... + ""The will look on him whom they've pierced."" + +Of course, this is built on a passage taken blatantly out of +context. Prophet Zechariah tells us how much of the nation of +Israel will split off from Jerusalem and Judah and go to war with +them. + + [Zc 12.7-10] And YHVH will give victory to Judah... + And on that day, I will seek to destroy the nations + that come against Jerusalem (in Judah). And I will + pour a spirit of compassion and supplication... on + Jerusalem so that when they look on him who they have + pierced, they will mourn, and weep bitterly over him + like you weep over a firstborn child. + +John's attempt to make up prophecy is perhaps weaker that +Matthew's attempts. Matthew, at least, usually excontexts more +than just one passage. John's errors are grossly obvious and +blatant here. It does not speak well for any of the gospel +writers, as it helps to show how the prophetic aspects of their +religion were founded. + + +Reckoned with +Transgressors: + + After his arrest, Jesus is quickly executed for claiming +the Jewish kingship, messiahship. According to one version of +the gospel tale, Jesus gets executed along with two thieves. + + [Mk 15.27] And with him they crucified two robbers, + one on his right, one on his left. And so the + scripture was fulfilled which says, + + ""He was reckoned with the transgressors."" + +Here, Mark is trying to link Jesus to a passage in Isaiah 53, +about the servant nation of Israel. The passage is not about the +messiah, for if one reads the whole chapter of Isaiah 53, and its +surrounding chapters, one sees that the servant is a nation. The +verses are also about what this servant has gone through in the +past, not a prediction of what is to come, in any event. The +servant is thought of as a criminal. This also happens to fit the +description of Jesus. Had the passage really been about the +messiah, it still is not at all clear why executing Jesus between +two thieves would fulfill the ""prophecy"" in Isaiah. Jesus would +more fittingly fulfill it with his whole ministry. He was +considered a blasphemer and troublemaker all throughout his +career. Locking onto a single event is a rather poor way to +steal prophecy, at least in this case, as we see that Mark could +have had made a better analogy with general comparisons. + + Mark goes on to tell us how ""those who were crucified with +[Jesus] also reviled him."" [15.32] This is to be expected from a +couple of robbers. Of course in his later recount, St. Luke +decides to change some things. Luke tells us, + + [Lk 23.39-43] And one of the criminals who was hanged + with him railed, ""Aren't you the messiah?! Save + yourself, and us!"" + +This certainly fits with Mark's recount, which tells how the +people who crucified Jesus said, ""Save yourself!"" and that the +robbers did the same. But then Luke goes on, + + But the other [criminal] rebuked [the first] saying, + ""Don't you fear G'd, since you are under the same + sentence of condemnation? And we, indeed justly so, + for we are receiving the due reward for our deeds. + But, this man has done nothing wrong. And he said, + ""Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom."" + And Jesus answered, ""Verily I say to you, today you + will be with me in paradise."" + +Now, this little dialogue seems highly contrived. It stretches +the imagination a bit to see this picture of one ruffian rebuking +his fellow criminal with such eloquent speech. We have a rather +strange picture of a criminal lamenting over the goodness of his +punishment and the justness of his suffering. Such a man, +apparently noble and of principle, doesn't seem likely to have +been a robber. We wonder at the amount of theatrics created by +Luke. Of course, Luke's recount also disagrees with Mark's. +Luke has only one criminal revile Jesus, not both. It is easy +enough to discount the discrepancy because the account was made +up, but those who wish to believe it is all part of the error free +words of G'd do not have this avenue open. This is yet another +example of a writer trying to take an Old Testament passage and +expand it and reinterpret it to suit his theology. In this case, +the embroidery creates some embarrassing problems, as we have +seen. + +The End of the +World-- + Mt. 24: + + Now comes perhaps one of the most extraordinary and +embarrassing passages in the New Testament. It is found in all +three of the synoptic gospel stories, and casts some of the most +unfavourable doubt on the whole theory of Christianity. Jesus +mentions the destruction of the Jewish temples and buildings, and +his disciples ask him about this, and about the end of the world +which he has been warning about. + + The disciples: Tell us, when will this [the temple's + destruction] be, and what will be the sign of your + coming, and of the close of the age? + + Jesus: Take care that no one leads you astray, for + many will come in my name, saying, ""I am the christ."" + ...you will hear of wars and rumours of wars... for + this must take place, but the end is not yet. For, + nation will rise against nation... all this is but the + beginning of the birthpangs. + They will deliver you up... put you to death, + and false prophets will arise and lead many astray. + ...But he who endures to the end will be saved. This + gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, a + testimony to the nations, and then the end will come. + So, when you see the desolation spoken of by the + prophet Daniel, ...let those who are in Judea flee to + the mountains. + + Immediately after the tribulation of those days, + the sun will be darkened... the stars will fall from + heaven... then will appear the sign of the Son of Man + in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, + and see the Son of Man coming... and he will send out + his angels... and gather his elect... + Learn the lesson of the fig tree: as soon as its + branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know + that summer is near. So also, when you see all these + things, you will know that He is near, at the very + gate. Truly I say to you, this generation will not + pass away until all these things take place... + But, of the day and hour, no one knows; not the + angels, not the Son, but only the Father... Therefore, + you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming + at an hour you do not expect. + +From this, it is clear that Jesus thought the world would in +within the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples. He tells +them that although he doesn't know the exact day or hour, that it +will come, and thus they must be ready. Theologians have wet +their pants in panic to find some way out of this Holy Error. +But, unfortunately, Jesus made himself to explicit. He told his +disciples that their generation would still be around at the End, +and that they in particular should prepare for it, prepare to be +swept away. + There have been some who resorted to removing the inerrant +nature of the Bible, and said that the phrase, ""this generation +shall not pass away..."" really means ""this race of people will not +pass away..."" Of course, the word for generation is used many +times to refer to exactly that, the generation of the disciples. +It is an interesting notion that when God decided to learn Greek, +he didn't learn it well enough to make himself clear. But. it is +quite obvious from the rest of the dialogue that the disciples (at +least some of them) are supposed to live to the End of the World. +The charge of mistranslation is completely blown away by looking +at the Apostles' responses. It becomes abundantly clear from +Rev. 22.7, 1 Peter 4.7, 1 John 2.18, and Rev. 22.20, that Jesus +meant exactly what he said. The End was very near. + + For 2,000 years, Christians have rationalised this 24th +chapter of Matthew, or ignored its meaning altogether. For 2,000 +years, they have waited for their executed leader to come back, +hearing of wars, and rumours of wars, sure that He is coming soon. +Surely He must be. All we must do is wait. Can you imagine how +tired He must be, sitting around up there, being holy, waiting for +just the right moment to spring? + + + So, shortly after his crucifixion, Jesus of Nazareth, +(Joshua-ben-Joseph), died. It is said that after three days, or +three days and three nights, or three periods of time, or three +eternal seconds --or three of whatever they can decide makes for +less trouble-- he was seen again, resurrected, glowing with divine +radiance. Then the Saviour decided it wasn't in the best +interests of his new religion to stick around, and therefore +disappeared from sight into heaven. So the story goes, anyway. +As has been seen, there were many things attributed to Jesus when +people got around to writing the gospel stories down. To them, +Jesus was the fulfiller of all prophecy and scripture. We have +seen, though, that this matter is quite shaky. But, throughout +Church history, Christians have held fast to faith, in simple +belief. What doctrinal objections could not be solved with +argumentation or brute force, faith and forgetfulness kept away +from question. To question and investigate has never been the +easiest way to treat matters. Thus for 2,000 years, the +prophecies cited in the New Testament have gone on largely +accepted. Things may well continue that way for some time. +Pausing a moment to consider the way the doctrines of Christianity +have been accepted and used (properly or improperly) to support +wars and persecution, I suppose there is one prophecy of which +Christianity can securely keep hold.",0 +" +Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when +it comes to their religion. Some take it to the extreme and say that +their religion is the ONLY one and if you don't accept their teachings +then you won't be ""saved"". It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim +to know what God thinks/wants. Especially when it's based upon your +interpretation of a book. The logic in the above statement is faulty +in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can't both be +correct. It's all about perception. No two people are exactly alike. +No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that +there is one truth. Call it God's truth, a universal truth, or call it +what you will. I don't believe God presents this truth. I think it is +just there and it's up to you to look for and see it, through prayer, +meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may +perceive this truth differently, it doesn't mean one is wrong and the +other is right. As an example, take the question, ""Is the glass half +empty or half full""? You can have two different answers which are +contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be +true, does not require everyone else's belief to be wrong.",15 +" +To boorishly reply to myself, I found I did have the Instrutech information +already. The specs (to use the term loosely) are as follows: + +A/D: 16 bit converter, with 14 bit accuracy to 100 kHz, 12 bit accuracy to +200 kHz. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. There are 8 multiplexed +inputs sharing the single A/D, so that all inputs are not samples at the +same time, and in the above conversion specs the all-channel sample rate +must be used. Thus, for two channels, you only have 14 unknown quality bits +at 50 kHz per channel. This is poorer quality than the national +Instruments, at the same sample rate. + +D/A: 16 bit converter. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. Each of +the 4 output channels has its own converter.",4 +" + +[...stiff deleted...] + + +[...stiff deleted...] + +Speed is a quantifiable measure resulting from a set of methods that +will result in the same value measured no matter the reference. A +bullet with zero velocity sitting on a table on a train moving 60mph +will be moving at a speed of + + (a) 0mph to someone on the train. + (b) 60mph to someone stationary next to the train. + +The reference frame makes the speed relative. But what's interesting +here is that every person on the train will see a stationary bullet. +Every person off, a bullet moving 60mph. + +I know of no train where all the people on it, every time it is +filled, will see a moral problem in exactly the same way. +",19 +" + +The above is probably not the most representative paragraph, but I +thought I'd hop on, anyway... + +What strikes me as self-contradicting in the fable of Lucifer's +fall - which, by the way, I seem to recall to be more speculation +than based on biblical text, but my ex RCism may be showing - is +that, as Benedikt pointed out, Lucifer had perfect nature, yet he +had the free will to ""choose"" evil. But where did that choice come +from? + +We know from Genesis that Eve was offered an opportunity to sin by a +tempter which many assume was Satan, but how did Lucifer discover, +invent, create, call the action what you will, something that God +had not given origin to? + +Also, where in the Bible is there mention of Lucifer's free will? +We make a big fuss about mankind having free will, but it strikes me +as being an after-the-fact rationalisation, and in fact, like +salvation, not one that all Christians believe in identically. + +At least in my mind, salvation and free will are very tightly +coupled, but then my theology was Roman Catholic... + +Still, how do theologian explain Lucifer's fall? If Lucifer had +perfect nature (did man?) how could he fall? How could he execute an +act that (a) contradicted his nature and (b) in effect cause evil to +exist for the first time?",0 +"I want to press a function key and have a text string appear in an +XmText widget. When I put + + *XmText.Translations: #augment \n\ + F1: insert-string(HELLO) + +in my resource file, the translation doesn't happen. If I put + + *XmText.Translations: F1: insert-string(HELLO) + +in the file, I get the text string HELLO when F1 is pressed, but no other +keys work, which makes sense since the default translation mode is ""replace"". + + Do I have a syntax problem here, or something deeper?",5 +"Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of +doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading +this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 +different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts +a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum +for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? +Just curious. +",1 +"Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into +young offenders. I am looking at the way various groups of +children are raised at home. At the moment I am formlulating +information on discipline within the Christian home. + +Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me +your response to the following questionaire. All responses +will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare +stats. + +1. Ages & sexes of children + +2. Do you spank your kids? + +3. If so how often? + +4. Do you use an implement to spank with? + + +5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use? + +6. Your age? + +7. Your location + +8. While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal +offence? + +9. How ere you disciplined as a kid + + +Thank you in advance for any reply you can make. Please e-mail +your replies rather than post them on the newsgroup",15 +"Actually not Jim. I just said that everyone else seemed to have skimmed by +that part and not mentioned it. You can get whatever meaning you want from it.",16 +"thus + +Curiously, in modern PostScript, the point in a polygon problem can +be solved even more easily. To wit: + +%! +%%Title: Point in Polygon +%%Creator: Allen B (ab@cc.purdue.edu) +%%For: the amusement of comp.graphics regulars +%%LanguageLevel: 2 +%%DocumentNeededResource: humor sense thereof +%%EndComments + +% This program will test whether a point is inside a given polygon. +% Currently it uses the even-odd rule, but that can be changed by +% replacing ineofill with infill. These are Level 2 operators, +% so if you've only got Level 1 you're out of luck. +% +% The result will be printed on the output stream. +% +% Caution: only accurate to device pixels! +% Put a huge scale in first if you aren't sure. + +% Point to test +% PUT X AND Y COORDINATES HERE + +50 75 + +% Vertices of polygon in counter-clockwise order +% PUT ARRAY OF PAIRS OF COORDINATES HERE +[ +[ 0 0 ] +[ 100 0 ] +[ 100 100 ] +[ 67 100 ] +[ 67 50 ] +[ 33 50 ] +[ 33 100 ] +[ 0 100 ] +]",1 +" +Undoubtedly. In fact, it is the fact that hospitals frequently compete +for physicians rather than for patients that (in part) complicates and +undermines a simplistic free-market analysis of the market for medical care. + + +Once again, there is no evidence that this is true in regard to kidney +dialysis. Although price controls have promoted an expansion of services +to a much greater volume of patients, RD is still a profitable service. +Otherwise, one would expect to see evidence of rationing rather than the +vast expansion that has occurred. + + +Can you spell ""loss leader?"" I knew you could. Grocery stores do not +attempt to make up the loss on an individual product by selling more of +it. In fact, your argument above is that kidney dialysis is a loss leader +for other medical treatments where lost revenue can be regained. + +But the evidence does not support this contention. Rather, it appears that +price controls have disciplined the market by forcing an expansion of +service and development of improved lower-cost technology to provide +comparable benefits. Providers continue to profit from RD, they simply +make less on each treatment than they would have if the price had +risen at the rate that uncontrolled treatments have. + +There is no question that had price controls forced the price of RD +substantially below its actual cost that some or all of the doomsday +predictions of free-market advocates would have been seen -- restriction +of service, lagging technological development, etc. Likewise, it appears +that in the VA and armed forces medical care systems, where providers +are government agencies, some of these negative impacts may occur. +(RD patients in the VA system in Spokane, for example, must travel to +Seattle, 300 miles away, for treatment.) + +The bottom line, however, is that this is an example of government +intervention (of a rather extreme sort) that appears to have had beneficial +results for both providers and consumers. Claims that ""government +bureaucracy"" inevitably leads to undesirable outcomes in the marketplace +should take such such cases into account. + +jsh +",18 +" +They require two separate grounds. One ground goes to the ground pin +of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's +mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal +faceplate, if any). + +The box/faceplate ground goes to the normal distribution panel ground. +The outlet ground-pin wire is generally connected to an insulated +busbar in the distribution panel which is, in turn, connected to +the building-entrance main ground by its own wire.",12 +" +That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability...",9 +"Hello. + + I purchased a video card called ET-4000 true color card which + can provide about 1700K colors. But the question is I can't find + the corresponding drivers for windows 3.1 , I am now using 65k + colors driver for win31. It works fine , but I think it will be + better if I use 1700k driver. So, please tell me whether such a + driver is available ! + + Thanks in advance. + +",2 +" +There has been NO hard info provided about MSG making people ill. +That's the point, after all. + + +That's because these ""peer-reviewed"" studies are not addressing +the effects of MSG in people, they're looking at animal models. +You can't walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and +doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects +demonstrated in humans. Note that I wouldn't have any argument +with a statement like ""noting that animal administration has pro- +duced the following [blah, blah], we must be careful about its +use in humans."" This is precisely NOT what you said. + + +It most certainly is for neurotoxicology. You know, studies of +glutamate involve more than ""food science"". + + +So, point us to the studies in humans, please. I'm familiar with +the literature, and I've never seen any which relate at all to +Olney's work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons. + + +Well, actually, they HAVE to tolerate some phenylalanine; it's a +essential amino acid. They just try to get as little as is healthy +without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites +in the blood. + + +Goodness, I'm not saying that it's good to feed infants a lot of +glutamate-supplemented foods. It's just that this ""projected safety +margin"" is a construct derived from animal models and given that, +you can ""prove"" anything you like. We're talking prudent policy in +infant nutrition here, yet you're misrepresenting it as received wisdom. + + +You mean ""asserting"". You're being intellectually dishonest (or just +plain confused), because you're conflating reports which do not necessarily +have anything to do with each other. Olney's reports would argue a potential +for problems in human infants, but that's not to say that this says anything +whatsoever about the use of MSG in most foods, nor does he provide any +studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects (for obvious +reasons.) It says nothing about MSG's contribtion to the phenomenon +of the ""Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"". It says nothing about the frequent +inability to replicate anecdotal reports of MSG sensitivity in the lab. + + +Probably one of the dumber remarks you've made. +",13 +,4 +": Where can I get xman source? I would like to get the binaries for +: xman for an HP 9000/700, but I would settle for source. +: +: -- +Try xport.lcs.mit.edu, in direcotry /contrib. +--",5 +" + +Sorry for the followup, but I couldn'y get email through on your addresses. +I, too, am trying to decide between these two printers, and I would like to +hear what users of these printers have to say about the questions above. + +Thank you.",2 +" +In the interests of saving badnwidth during this ""heated"" time of the +year (viz. the early flurry of ""retard"" comments coming from a certain +state whose name starts with P and ends with A), why don't you tell us +something we don't already know? + +George",10 +" +Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did? +-- + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 +NASA Lewis Research Center | +Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov ",16 +" +We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these. + +-- ",12 +" +That's one. Any others? + + +Then they should have used a different advert. + + +I'm both. I've made some $4k worth of PC products purchasing +decisions for one company I'm affiliated with in the past 6 months +alone. (In a delicious bit of irony, an interesting fraction went to +suppliers that I suspect got my mailing address from these people.) +More is in the pipeline right now. + +If they wanted to discuss these sorts of things, upfront is the +way to do it. + + +And who issues that ""VIP Code""? (That policy implementation in the +running for this week's ""silly twit"" award.) BTW - It turns out that +I have several VIP codes. Here's the one I'm using for these sorts of +things: ""6"". (If you want one, send me mail and I'll put you in touch +with the folks who do the application interview; if you qualify....) + +-andy",6 +" + + + +And they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities. +-- ",16 +": Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! + +Oh goody! I love a puzzle. Watson! The games afoot! + +: Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there +: was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension +: to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very +: tangible ""thunk"". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. + + + +: Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you +: rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without +: damaging the thread in the hole ? Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo + +Let me guess. You were making a left turn, correct? The edge of the stud +contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself. If you had +been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. + +",8 +"For those of you who couldn't find X-Appeal, it is availible at +the following sitex: + + ascwide.ascii.co.jp in the /pub/MSDOS/xappeal dir + wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/demo + directory + + The three files are xap13exe.aip, xap10fon.zip and + drivers.zip. + +Josh",5 +" +Apple has patented their implementation of regions, which presumably +includes the internal data structure (which has never been officially +documented by Apple). Apple cannot patent the concept of a region. + +I'm guessing that either NuTek reverse-engineered Apple's internal data +structure for regions (I dunno if this would hold up in court), or they +came up with their own data structure. If it's the latter, then they +won't be able to draw PICT files containing regions. Besides PICT files, +there aren't many places where regions are stored on disk. (QuickTime +movies, perhaps?) As long as the region isn't being stored on disk and +transferred from a Mac to a NuTek clone (or vice versa), it doesn't +matter if NuTek uses a completely different internal data structure. + +I remember reading that Apple also has a patent on their ADB hardware, +and that the NuTek clones would therefore be lacking an ADB port. What +other patents does Apple have on the Mac?",4 +"Anyone who knows this answer off-hand, please answer me by e-mail +quickly ;). + +There is a pair of jumpers on one side, and a set of 3 or 4 on the +other end. One is labeled, sync , and one CD, and E0 E1 E2. + +Whhich do I need to short, or disconnect to get drive to operate +in slave mode? Give me a label or ""geographic +label, as they have quite a few jumpers, and I don't wanna try the +trial and error method... + +I am using IDE. I think this drive is SCSI compatible too. + +Jimmy",3 +" +I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for +6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative. +Have you? + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson +""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com +settled into the situation and found my bearings. +THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ",18 +" + + +Exactly. + +C. S. Lewis has taken a couple of pretty severe hits in this group lately. +First somebody was accusing him of being self-righteous and unconvincing. +Now we are told that we Christians should be embarrassed by him. (As well +as by Josh McDowell, about whom I have no comment, having never read his +work.) + +Anyone who thinks that C. S. Lewis was self-righteous ought to read his +introduction to The Problem of Pain, which is his theodicy. In it, he +explains that he wanted to publish the book anonymously. Why? Although he +believed in the argument he was presenting, he did not want to seem to +presume to tell others how brave they should be in the face of their own +suffering. He did not want people to think that he was presenting himself +as some kind of model of fortitude, or that he was anything other than what +he considered himself to be -- ""a great coward."" + +OFM has adequately handled the question of whether we ought to be +embarrassed by Lewis' liar/lunatic/lord argument (which, by the way, is +part of a *much* bigger discourse.) I would just like to add that, far from +being embarrassed by Lewis, I am in a state of continual amazement at the +soundness and clarity of the arguments he presents. + +- Phil -",15 +" +Legal or not, I've seen it done. Phone records were obtained +in order to *establish* probable cause, rather than as a result of it. +In other words, for a fishing expedition. + + + +And does the phone company require written, subpoena-able evidence +of probable cause in order to process the request? I suggest that +the officer was disinterested in pursuing your case -- even if you +could prove the offender had called you at a certain time, your +chances of winning a harassment suit on the strength of this evidence +are nil. My contact with several people who have dealt with cases +of extreme phone harassment (several thousand calls in one case) teaches +me that police in this area are quite lethargic about pursuing such matters. +",11 +" + +And why they are considering using WinBench as a test, they may want +to read everything Steve Gibson has said on the subject in his +InfoWorld column the past couple of month. In short, virtually +every board manufacturer cheats on the test by writing things in the +driver that is there only to make the board appear faster on the +WinBench suite. So the WinBench score has no bearing in reality to +how cards stack up on real world tasks. + +In the last PC-Magazine they benchmarked some of the new accelerators, +and admitted that many of them 'cheated' on WinBench. Interestingly, +they 'allowed' one type of cheating behaviour (caching for bitblt +operations, no matter how unreal), yet did not allow a couple of other +types of cheating behaviour that some of the cards used. At least +one card was eliminated from the ""Editor's Choice"" because of +cheating on the benchmark.",2 +" + +The CR purchase would be the Ford Probe GT. + +john + +",7 +" + +Not a good idea to compare processor power. Doesn't make sense for real +world applications. At least not for totally different lines of processors. + + + +At least for x86 systems doubling the clock speed increases performance +by about 70% . + + + + stuff deleted +-- +Ravikumar Venkateswar +rvenkate@uiuc.edu",4 +"============================================================================== +",1 +"Hi, Experts, + +I'm kind of new to X. The following question is strange to me. I am +trying to modify the contents of the colormap but failed without +reason (to me). I am using the following piece of code: + + + toplevel = XtInitialize(argv[0], ""Testcolor"", NULL, 0, + &argc, argv); + dpy = XtDisplay(toplevel); + scr = DefaultScreen(dpy); + def_colormap = DefaultColormap(dpy,scr); + + if(XAllocColorCells(dpy, def_colormap, True, NULL, 0, cells, 5)) { + color.pixel = cells[0]; + color.red = 250; + color.green = 125; + color.blue = 0; + color.flags = DoRed | DoGreen | DoBlue; + XStoreColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); + printf(""\n Try to allocate, the color %d as (%d,%d,%d)"", + color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); + + XQueryColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); + printf(""\n After allocate, the color %d is (%d,%d,%d)"", + color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); + } + else + printf(""\n Error: couldn't allocate color cells""); + + +Running output: + + Try to allocate, the color 7 as (250,125,0) + After allocate, the color 7 is (0,0,0) + +After XStoreColor(), XQueryColor() just returned the original value. +No failure/error displayed but the contents of colormap are obvious +unchanged. (I also tried to draw a line using the colors but it +turned out to be the unmodified colors.) + +So what is my problem? How to modify the contents of the colormap? + +Any help/information will be appreciated. Please send mail to +""yang@cs.umass.edu"". + +-------------------------- +William +email: ""yang@cs.umass.edu"" +-------------------------- + + +By the way, the following is the environment I am using (output of +""xdpyinfo""). It shows the default visual is PseudoColor. + +version number: 11.0 +vendor string: DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorporation UWS4.2 +vendor release number: 1 +maximum request size: 16384 longwords (65536 bytes) +motion buffer size: 100 +bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 32, LSBFirst, 32 +image byte order: LSBFirst +number of supported pixmap formats: 2 +supported pixmap formats: + depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 + depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 +keycode range: minimum 86, maximum 251 +number of extensions: 8 + Adobe-DPS-Extension + DPSExtension + SHAPE + MIT-SHM + Multi-Buffering + XInputExtension + MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD + DEC-XTRAP +default screen number: 0 +number of screens: 1",5 +"There are two conflicting reports about a pitcher that is +either in the Jays' farm system or the Braves'. His name is Bill Taylor. +He was picked up by the Jays, but had to be offered back to the Braves +before they were able to send him to the Syracuse Chiefs.",9 +"For updated playoff updates (scores, stats, summaries) +e-mail me. (mmilitzo@skidmore.edu) with the subject STATS. +",10 +" +I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has +been much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I'd known +what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated. I wouldn't be +surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said +""nope"" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results. +Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who +aren't happy with the junk they got instead. + +The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and +so would the people reading it. + +-andy",6 +" + +I am resending this message because my news program may have goofed the first +time. + +Terry, I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E. I don't +remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me +a strange problem. When I held down shift during startup to disable +all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using +the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard. +The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked +the dipswitches and they are fine. Try disabling your extensions and tell +me if it works. + +I am annoyed with Datadesk. I sent them the keyboard in the mail for +inspection/repair/replacement. The technician on the phone said they +have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the +inspected/repaired keyboard in that time. Well, they have had the +keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info +from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them +the keyboard and their technical support line is not toll free. tell me +if you have a similar experience with them.",4 +"Hi, +VLB is defined for 3 cards by 33MHz +and 2 cards by 40MHz + +there are designs with 50MHz and 2 VLB-Slots. +(s. C't 9.92, 10.92, 11.92) + +50MHz and 2 Slots are realy difficult to design.",3 +"Well, like someone said in a reply to this it really all depends on the area +that you live in. See David Veal's reply to this. I have heard exactly the +same thing that he said in his reply - to fade away if you think that you +haven't been seen (I heard this from a police officer). For the record though +he was talking about in Tennessee - not everywhere.",16 +"I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer. The +design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat +ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM. The idea was to make the circuit +difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM. The +secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint +of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid +exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used. +The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect +at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading +by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable. This was for an +automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in +operation. The case, of course, might not be the same for your +1993 RX-7! + +The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions +under which cars have been operated. Since steering angle and +velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to +collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the +drivers' use of the car. I am not aware of any manufacturer +currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading +out use data from the ECM. While it could be a potential invasion +of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your +driving style, it could also provide valuable information from +actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars. +I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving +demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion. + +",7 +" + + + +Syria had been bombing Israeli settlements from the Golan and sending +terrorist squads into Israel for years. Do you need me to provide specifics? +I can. + +Why don't you give it up, Hasan? I'm really starting to get tired of your +empty lies. You can defend your position and ideology with documented facts +and arguments rather than the crap you regularly post. Take an example from +someone like Brendan McKay, with whom I don't agree, but who uses logic and +documentation to argue his position. Why must you insist on constantly spouting +baseless lies? You may piss some people off, but that's about it. You won't +prove anything or add anything worthy to a discussion. Your arguments just +prove what a poor debater you are and how weak your case really is.",17 +" + +Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not? +",14 +"Does anyone know of a good way (standard PC application/PD utility) to +convert tif/img/tga files into LaserJet III format. We would also like to +do the same, converting to HPGL (HP plotter) files. + +Please email any response. + +Is this the correct group? + +Thanks in advance. Michael.",1 +" + +I know it was used several times in the south, to prosecute the murders of +blacks, after all white juries had cleared the accussed. + + +I believe it is a general charge, that is no specific right is mentioned. + + +The SS has previously ruled that since the seperate governments were in +essence seperate sovereigns, then double jeopardy does not apply. + +(If this is true, then could defendents also be tried under city and +county governments?) + +This mornings paper said that the ACLU has decided to reinstate its +opposition to this kind of thing. They had earlier suspended their +opposition while they examined the King case. There might be hope +for the ACLU after all.",18 +"Hi folks + +I'm planning to buy a LCIII but need advice on choosing a monitor. +What do people recommend for a decent 14""/15"" monitor? + +I'v looked at some ads and the spec for NEC 4FG/4FGe and the price is +within my budget, but could LCIII be able to use the various resolutions +available on 4FG (specifically the 1024x768 resolution)? Does LCIII only +support one resolution? + +Also any recommendations for a reliable mail order place for LCIII or +monitors? Does anyone have experience with the following mail-order places? + + SYEX EXPRESS (Houston, Tx) + USA FLEX (Bloomingdale, Il) + +Thanks, + +jeff + +",4 +"I finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M). However, +when I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture. +With 16bit or below, the picture is fine. Can someone tell me what was wrong? +Is it the card, or is it the software? +-- +Thanks +8) + _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ +_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ",3 +": >>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi- +: >>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can +: >>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer +: >>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at +: >>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are +: >>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently +: >>faster at managing data from a hard drive. + +: >IDE: Integrated Device Electronics +: > currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized +: > drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max. + +: Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? +: You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they +: exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point? + +Who said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth +investing thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in . + +: Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone +: know how they perform? + +You didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism +as standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's +interfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not. + +: >So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES +: >the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode +: >it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can. +: As implimented on what system? + +On mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If +IDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file +servers? + +: >The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put +: >rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT +: >the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the +: >SCSI-2 through put. + +: Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive +: controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do +: at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence? +: What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? + +No, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives +at once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly. + +I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I +haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. + +: The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300. I think the original EGA card +: (or PGA?) was $800. SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down +: in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc +: or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation). That is, after millions +: of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to +: come down in price. + +No, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because +nobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read: +easily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or +Mac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice. + +: I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented +: data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better +: (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when +: managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. + +On a single drive, SCSI is more expensive. But, you bought your PC for +expandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever. The +following are why I find SCSI intrinsically better than IDE: + +A (partial?) list: + 1. You can add many different types of devices and access them + concurrently. + 2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac + and a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice + with SCSI -- hook them up and away they go) + 3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For + instance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor + 212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will + work no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the + termination, plug it in, and away it goes. + 4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that + the time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is + quite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c: + to d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very + noticable, as many things can be going on at once. + +One neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the +ability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with +little problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've +added to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to +have 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive +all on the same card. + +Simply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out. + +Greg.",3 +" + +This is very sad indeed. My condolences to the Minnesota fans who are +losing their team. + +I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team +left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers. + +We should always enjoy things when we can. You never know when they'll +be taken away from us.",10 +"Original to: szabo@techbook.com +G'day szabo@techbook.com + +29 Mar 93 07:28, szabo@techbook.com wrote to All: + + sc> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo), via Kralizec 3:713/602 + + sc> Here are some longer-term markets to consider: + +Here are some more: + +* Terrestrial illumination from orbiting mirrors. + +* World enviroment and disaster monitering system. (the Japanese have +already developed a plan for this, called WEDOS) Although this may be more +of a ""public good"". + +* Space tourism. + +* Energy relay satellites + +ta + +Ralph",14 +"Jeff, + I have answers to both of your questions. First, I recommend the Sony +CPD-1320 monitor. It is a 14"" Trinitron VGA monitor, but it is designed +specifically for use with the LC. It works only with Macs with specific video +capabilities which means only the LC's and anything after the ci. All it +takes is a MAC<->VGA cable (I recommend one from James Engineering which is +about $20). These cost about $335 as compared to the much higher prices of +comparable monitors because they are not multisynch. I have used one for half +a year and I love it. +Second, I have used Syex and found them to be decent. I had a backorder on a +Supra modem which I cancelled. They were helpful in explaining the reasons +why there were delays and they had Supra's number ready for me. The only +complaint was that they did not always return my calls. +I have been told that the CPD-1320 is selling for $339 from J&R's +(800)221-8180. I think Syex is a little more, but I don't know. + +-David",4 +"Is there a PD version of cfb, or other PD server stuff, which has a colour frame +buffer implementation which works in bitplaned mode, i.e. where the screen +memory is grouped so that ""bit 0 of every pixel is here, bit 1 is there, etc."" + +The only such beast I know if at the moment is the GfxBase server for the +Commodore Amiga, and it is commercial. I don't know if they wrote their own cfb, +but I suspect they did. + +Please respond by email, as I don't read this group. + +Many thanks +Dave",5 +"I'm thinking of splashing out on a new motherboard for my PC. I am +running Linux as my main OS, with a small DOS partition left for my +flatmates' games. + +My current setup is a 386SX-25 (AMD) with 387SX-25 (ITT - I think) and 9 +Mbytes of 70ns SIMMS, and (120+100)Mbyte IDE. + +Basically I have two choices + +1) Get a 386DX-40 + 387DX-40 or +2) Get some sort of 486. + +Unfortunately I live in the UK where computer prices are far too high. +The first option works out at about \pounds 200. 486 m/boards start at +this price for a SX-25. + +I have a couple of questions. + +1) How much of an improvement in speed should I notice if I get a +386DX+copro. Remember I'm using a 32 bit OS, and alot of Floating Point +operations. + +2) How much faster would a 486DX-33 be than the 386DX-40+copro ? + +Should I get an upgradeable m/board with a 386DX-40 and wait for +AMD/Pentium price pressure to reduce the costs of the 486 ? + + Any experiences will be most helpful ... + + Kenny. + +PS. Example prices: + + 386DX-40+copro M/board ~$270 + 486DX33 M/board ~$580 + +----------------------------------------------------------- +Kenneth MacDonald E-mail kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk +Dept. of Geology & Geophysics +University of Edinburgh Scotland",3 +" +",3 +"Anyone seen any press releases or heard any rumors of a cache card +for the LCIII, now that it has the full data bus width on the PDS slot?",4 +"From my rather rusty knowledge of radio, most radio receivers use a superhet +circuit, so that the incoming signal is mixed with a local oscillator, giving +a fixed intermediate frequency (IF) that is more easily amplified. The +detector detectors work by picking up IF re-radiated from your radar +detector. In Britain, where one has/used to pay for a TV licence, there +are/were TV detector vans prowling the streets, looking for people who hadn't +paid their licence fee. They had a couple of long solenoid antennae on the +roof, and I believe could triangulate an operating TV from the IF. + +I wonder how much of the IF is radiated back from the detector antenna, and +how much from the rest of the module. It might be worth putting the detector +in a proper RF shielded enclosure. +",12 +" + Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given + it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is + the blood that makes atonement for the soul. + +The Old Testament was very big on the ""eye for an eye"" business. It +makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to ""repay"" +moral wrongdoing. + +I know about sanctification. I've been taught all about it in Sunday +school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all +that, I still can't accept it. Maybe I'm still not understanding it, +or maybe I'm just understanding it all too well. + +From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent +man is wrong. I've tried repeatedly over the course of several years +to accept it, but I just can't. If this means that I can't accept the +premise that a god who would allow this is 'perfectly good', then so +be it. + + +If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, +then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. +Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments +before, and they just don't convince me. +",19 +" +I'm sorry, but He does not! Ever read the FIRST commandment? +",19 +" [of who else but President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton.] + +Tsk. Surely you don't wish for the Democrats to destroy our beloved country +just so your party can get some trivial political advantage? That's rather +a petty way to think. (Not that this pettiness doesn't extend all the way +to the U.S. Senate, I've noticed...) + +While Bush was president, I kept hoping and praying that he'd wise up. I +couldn't stand the man, but I wish he'd done a decent job; if so, we might +not be in the mess we are now, and that would be a small price to pay for +suffering through another term of Republican control. Similarily, YOU should +be hoping and praying that Clinton does a good job. Even if you're certain +he won't.",18 +"My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 +to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use. No fancy modulation scheme, just +wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz. + +I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there +are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies. + +My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back +end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm +particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any +current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a +normal IF filter can be used? + +Any suggestions? + +John +",12 +" It was good to see the Wings play, but lets not give ESPN too much credit. +There weren't any other late baseball games on so they didn't have another +option.",10 +" +Please count me in also... + +Just can't tell you how excited I was when the Islanders beat the Rangers +in overtime on last Friday!!!",10 +"Here is a different viewpoint. + + +In practice there is little difference in quality but more care is needed +with inkjet because smudges etc. can happen. + + +A cheap laser printer does not manage that sort of throughput and on top of +that how long does the _first_ sheet take to print? Inkjets are faster than +you say and in both cases the computer often has trouble keeping up with the +printer. (I have a 486/33 and a lot of drivers cannot keep up with the +printer) + +A sage said to me: ""Do you want one copy or lots of copies?"", ""One"", +""Inkjet"". + + +Paper cost is the same and both can use refills. Long term the laserprinter +will need some expensive replacement parts (consumables) and on top of that +are the amortisation costs which favour the lowest purchase cost printer. + +HP inkjets understand PCL so in many cases a laserjet driver will work if the +software package has no inkjet driver. + +There is one wild difference between the two printers: a laserprinter is a +page printer whilst an inkjet is a line printer. This means that a +laserprinter can rotate graphic images whilst an inkjet cannot. Few drivers +actually use this facility. +(there is also the matter of downloadable fonts and so on)",12 +"Not exactly dumb, but who remebers the tachometer on the 69 or 70 Firebird +bulging out of the _hood_ right in front of the driver. Neat place but I love +to know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years. Also, does +the speedomete pointer on many US cars have to be 3 feet long?. ",7 +" + +Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look +at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly. + +Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...",8 +"Buck Showalter just can't win. + +Bob Wickman's pitching the game of his life through eight innings (Yanks +lead 6-1), so Buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete +game. Wickman manages to get two outs, but in between, four funs score, +and all of a sudden it's 6-5, and Wickman just can't get the third out. +So Buck goes to the bullpen, and Farr gets out the first guy he faces. + +Last night, Jimmy Key is pitching another in a long string of games of his +life (this guy just keeps getting better!) through eight innings (Yanks +lead 4-0). This time, Buck thinks, ""I don't want a repeat of that +near-fiasco with Wickman, so I'll give my bullpen some work."" Steve Howe, +whose ERA was 54.00 coming into the game, left with it at 81.00. He didn't +do too good. Then Farr comes in. He gives up a two-run homer, and the +Royals win it, 6-5. + +What's going on? This is already the third or fourth time this year that +the bullpen has blown a lead. Farr & Howe have done it twice together, +Monteleone's done it once, and I think even Habyan did it once. What's the +deal? We finally have terrific starting pitching, so all of a sudden, our +bullpen turns to shit! + +What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen?",9 +"Does anyone know where I can still get an internal fax modem for the +original mac portable? I know they were made for a while by several +manufacturers, but I can't find them now. thanks for your help. +Gene Wright +",4 +"Thanks, Steve, for your helpful and informative comments on Mac stereo +sound. + +Too bad some developers aren't addressing the problem. + +This did make my trusty old Mac II superior to the Quadra I replaced +it with in one way though! :) + + +Thanks,",4 +"Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article +on Federal R&D funding. + +Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current +competitive advantage from things like military and other work that +does not have as much commercial utility.",14 +"This is to let you know that the fourth issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter +has been issued. The highlights of this issue include: + + + 1. Easter Greating: Christ is risen; Truly he is risen! + 2. The Holy Family in Egypt (part 1) + 3. Anba Abraam, the Friend of the Poor (part 4) + 4. A review of the Coptic Encyclopedia + 5. A new Dictionary of the Coptic Language + + +This Newsletter has been prepared by members of Copt-Net, a forum +where news, activities, and services of the Coptic Orthodox Churches +and Coptic communities outside Egypt are coordinated and exchanged. +If you want your name to be included in the mailing list, or have any +questions please contact Nabil Ayoub at .",15 +"Over the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with +any local church and are not members of any local church. This is +an issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does +the Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with +regard to this issue?",15 +"Posted for a friend: + +Looking for tires, dimensions 14"" x 3.25"" or 3.35"" + +Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes. + +Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with. + +Call Scott at 801-583-1354 or email me. +-- + I saw fops by the thousand sew themselves together round the Lloyds building.",8 +" + + +Are you suggesting that we should forget the cold-blooded genocide of +2.5 million Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920? But +most people aren't aware that in 1939 Hitler said that he would pattern +his elimination of the Jews based upon what the Armenians did to Turkish +people in 1914. + + + 'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?' + (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy), + ""The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi"", p. 213.) + + +I refer to the Turks and Kurds as history's forgotten people. It does +not serve our society well when most people are totally unaware of +what happened in 1914 where a vicious society, run by fascist Armenians, +decided to simply use the phoniest of pretexts as an excuse, for wiping +out a peace-loving, industrious, and very intelligent and productive +ethnic group. What we have is a demand from the fascist government of +x-Soviet Armenia to redress the wrongs that were done against our +people. And the only way we can do that is if we can catch hold of and +not lose sight of the historical precedence in this very century. We +cannot reverse the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to +keep the memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as +to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people because +of their religion or their race. Which means that I support the claims +of the Turks and Kurds to return to their lands in x-Soviet Armenia, +to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. + +Serdar Argic",17 +" + +But, the goal need not be a subjective one. For instance, the goal of +natural morality is the propogation of a species, perhaps. It wasn't +really until the more intelligent animals came along that some revisions +to this were necessary. Intelligent animals have different needs than +the others, and hence a morality suited to them must be a bit more +complicated than ""the law of the jungle."" I don't think that +self-actualization is so subjective as you might think. And, by +objectivity, I am assuming that the ideals of any such system could be +carried out completely.",0 +"Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this +card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on +latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors +in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. +I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors +in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible +quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. +What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. +Thx Dave L + + +",2 +" + + Geez, where have you been, Ryan? I proposed this theory *months* +ago. Let's take it one step further, even. If, as the surveys show, +up to 33% of all men have *had* a homosexual encounter, then there must +be an even *larger* percentage of people who have had homosexual erotic +fantasies. But if less than 10% of the population is gay, what can we +say about these people who don't identify as gay but have demonstrated +gay potential. Obviously, a large chunk of these people *chose* (or, +more accurately, were forced to choose by force of religion and social +sanction) to put those feelings aside, to be heterosexual. + + Obviously, Cramer and Kaldis fall into this category. + + These people are the ones who are so hung up on ""choice."" +Obviously, since *they chose*, everyone must have, and homosexuals are +just flaunting their ""perversion"" by choosing not to go along with what +society has dictated. + + Of course, I'm that most awful of perverts. I chose, I gleefully +admit that I was heterosexual until I met the right man and *chose* to +indulge in my homoerotic potential. Take that! + + Elf !!! +-- +elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)",18 +" + +[stuff deleted] + +Then why not simply stop reading them. This isn't intended as a flame, +but your post reminds me of the old joke: + Patient: ""Doctor it hurts when I do this."" + Doctor: ""Then stop doing that.""",18 +" +..... +..... +..... + +..... + +One case of Slovenian paranoia. + +Once upon a time a tried to walk over the (famous) Marathon field, not far away +from Athens. I could not do that mostly becouse the field is now a huge +antenna farm. Probably a Greek COMINT installation, would you agree? +-- +Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic +J. Stefan Institute | Internet:Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si +University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199 +SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request",11 +" + +And you wrote an *excellent* report about it. + + + + +I understand (from an unreliable source) that Canseco was considered +expendable by the A's when he refused to accept any coaching about +his batting stance. The A's brain trust came to believe that his +back problems were exacerbated, if not caused, by having a wide open +stance, closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque +(that's a paraphrase of what I remember). + +In any event, Canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide +his stance, and the A's began to believe that he would either reinjure +himself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power. + + + + +Apparently, you sound like LaRussa. + + +The A's also objected about this. + + + +Again, I'm just repeating something I heard. But possibly the cause +and effect is the reverse of that. + + + + + +-- The Beastmaster + +",9 +"Hi there, I can't seem to get mail to you. Can you tell me your entire +adress, or even your dotted decimal address? + + (ie. 131.202.3.10) + + Thanks, + rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca + +-- ",10 +" +IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man +advantage. Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated +because their point totals are inflated by power play points. ++/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull, +John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck. + +Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can +inflate his totals.",10 +" +Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Christians are required to observe +the Sabbath, whether it is on Saturday or Sunday. The Sabbath was part +of a Covenent between God and the Israelites and is not required for +Christians.",19 +"It didn't happen. + +Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. + + +Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you +to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. You should at least view the whole +documentary before you claim it as a source. + + + +Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? +I saw one place. + + +Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it +is the root cause of all the other suspicion. + + +Jim + +-- +jmd@handheld.com",16 +,15 +"# #Unfortunately, homosexuals don't believe in this concept of freedom. +# #They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, +# #rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings +# #or beliefs of the other person. +# +# Allow me to point out that Clayton is once again unfairly lumping an +# entire class of people, as if they all have one will. Having completely +# dived into the abyss of believing that there are no queers in the world +# who think differently from the child-molestation-advocating minority on +# soc.motss, he doesn't even notice that he's starting a sentence with +# ""They believe"" when the referent of that ""they"" is millions of people. +# ""...so few as to be irrelevant..."" + +If you don't want to be lumped together as a group, stop insisting +on being treated as a member of a group. + +# # Force people to hire? No. Require people to give them a fair +# # look? Yes. +# +# #You give them a fair look. You decide that you don't want to hire +# #the guy wearing the NAMBLA T-shirt. He files a lawsuit. You lose. +# #Yes, such laws force you to hire homosexuals. +# +# Pedophiles, as well? + +Sexual orientation is not defined by the anti-discrimination law +that was passed last year. Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation? + +# And, Cramer, let me describe how you'd have it, and see if this is +# accurate. I apply for a job at a computer company. They see I'm +# wearing some article of homosexual adornment, I dunno, maybe a +# ""Silence = Death"" pin or something. They turn me down because of +# that. I can't do a darned thing and have to go look somewhere else. +# Am I correct in assuming that you wholeheartedly approve of the +# company's actions, or at least that you wholeheartedly support their +# right to take that action? + +I wholeheartedly support their right to take this action. I wouldn't +do it myself, unless it was something like the NAMBLA T-shirt. + +# How about: a black man applies for a job at a bank. The bank decides, +# based on statistics, a black person would be more likely to steal +# money, and denies the man the job. Would you support the bank's right +# to this freedom? If not, explain how this differs. + +I support their right to do so (just like I support your right to +engage in sodomy with consenting adults), but I think they are doing +something wrong. I wouldn't do business with such a bank. + +# Clayton has repeatedly said that California's statutes classify +# pedophilia as a sexual orientation, and that discriminating on the +# basis of sexual orientation is illegal. +# +# If true, I'm frankly amazed. But I don't trust Clayton to give me +# the whole story. Would someone clarify for me whether this is true, +# what sort of discrimination Clayton's talking about (jobs? housing? +# hate crimes?), and whether the effect of the law is really that +# a daycare has to hire an admitted pedophile. +# -- +# Jamie McCarthy Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu AppleLink: j.mccarthy + +Here's the law that was passed and signed by the governor: + + The people of the State of California do enact as follows: + + 1 SECTION 1. The purpose of this act is to codify + 2 existing case law as determined in Gay Law Students v. + 3 Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, 24 Cal. 3d 458 (1979) + 4 and Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Corp., 235 Cal. App. 3d 654 + 5 (1991) prohibiting discrimination based on sexual + 6 orientation. + 7 SEC. 2. Section 1102. is added to the Labor Code, to + 8 read: + 9 1102.1. (a) Sections 1101 and 1102 prohibit +10 discrimination or disparate treatment in any of the terms +11 and conditions of employment based on actual or +12 perceived sexual orientation. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +13 (b) This section shall not apply to a religious +14 association or corporation not organized for private +15 profit, whether incorporated as a religious or public +16 benefit corporation. +",18 +" +Nor mine, either of them!",2 +" + Hey, + + Does anyone know of an ftp site where I can get pkunzip2.04g from. + I tried using archie with no such luck. This version of pkunzip is suppose + to correct some promblems when using pkunzip within windows. Thanks in + advance! :-) + ",2 +" How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside + on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want + to access its pins. + +Why are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw?",7 +" +I don't claim to be an expert on the branch Davidians, but I might know more +than most. + +The Branch Davidian group (led by Koresh) is actually one of two off-shoots +of a group known as the Shephard's Rod. The Shephard's Rod (now +defunct as far as I know)broke off from the SDA Church in the 30's. + +The Shephard's Rod broke away from the SDA Church because they felt that the +SDA Church was becoming weak and falling into apostacy. They felt that they +were the remnant spoken about in Revelation. + +About the Koresh group, Koresh gained control of it in 1987 or 1988. Once +in control, he made himself the center of it. He proclaimed himself as +Christ. + +Koresh himself came from an SDA background. He was excommunicated as a young +adult by the local congregation for trying to exert too much control over +the youth in the church. After this, he joined the Branch Davidians. + +They were/are a survivalist cult. This is why they had the stockpile of +weapons, food, a bomb shelter, etc. They had no intent of raiding the US +government or anything. They were preparing for Armaggedon and were +putting themselves in a self defense position. + +In my opinion, if the ATF and the FBI had left well enough alone, we wouldn' +t have the blood of 20+ children crying out from the ashes in Waco. + +If you want to know about The Shephard's Rod, you might want to visit the +local SDA church and talk to some of the older people. They could give you +some insight into where Koresh got his theology.",15 +" +I, too, have a XC68882RC50 math coprocessor, which I installed +succesfully in my Mega Midget Racer (clocked at 33 MHz). I have tried +clocking my FPU at 28 to 50 MHz and it all worked just fine. I have a +MC68030-33 CPU. I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU +was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system. Maybe you +just have a bad chip. + +Stefan",12 +"What an exciting thread (finally!) + +Mitra is Sanskrit for Friend, as such He started out as an avatar of Lord Visnu + mentioned first in the Vedas. Later he seems to have risen to chief prominence + worshipped by the Persians. Associated with the Sun but NOT the Sun, he is + the lord of contract honor and obedience, therefore naturally worshipped by + soldiers. He was ordered by the Sun to slay the bull of heaven and He reluct- + antly agreed because of His obligation...the blood of that bull spilled and + grew all earth life...then Mitra and the Sun sat down to eat. + +Worship of Lord Mitra ended in Persia with the ascension of the Zoroastrians. + +Hundreds of years later He was rediscovered and thrown into the Official Roman + Pantheon (tm) for some semi-tricky reason, I forget why. But all references of + Him ended abruptly when He was stricken from same, so apparently His worship + was some sort of vehicle for advancement in the bureaucracy, like membership + in the Communist Party was in the Soviet Bloc. The sociology of religion in + ancient times is fascinating! + +Oh, His B-day was 25 Dec. Ahem. + +I am not sure if the mystery cult really lasted after His was booted from the + Roman Imperial God Roster or what. It contained mostly soldiers, with 7 levels + of initiation. They worshipped underground in caverns in pews. The bull horns + in those temples were for scaring away or impaling evil spirits, I'm not sure + that they had Mithraic significance or not. + +I don't know that the ritual meal was of a cannibalistic nature as is the + Christian masses. But eating deities goes way back to Old Kingdom Egypt. + +Someone mentioned bullfighting. Did Mithraists sacrifice bulls? I forget. More + likely, for a religious source, might be the shower of bull's blood enjoyed + by the worshippers of Cybele on the Day of Blood? Cybele worship extended all + throughout even up to France bigtime.",19 +" + +Having spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that +internally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus ""Show"" or just +""the Show"". As in long ""o"" sound. I still refer to it as the ""S-H-O"", +however, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners +prefer using the Ford lingo. ",7 +" +[...] + + +You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE +opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own +agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen. +While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that +if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become +a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area. +I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is +more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many +instances. + + +I suspect that this is because ""improvement in the human condition"" as +you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not +be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of +libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of +government coercion except in a very limited cases. +-- +Ian Sutherland +ian@eecs.nwu.edu",18 +" +",5 +,14 +"Hello, + +I have a BC200XLT handheld radio scanner which recieves police, fire, +ambulance, aircraft, cordless and cellular phone, etc. The unit is in +original condition and comes with the manual, the power supply and +battery charger. Price is $200 plus s/h. + + +Austin Harris",6 +" +Did you miss my post on this topic with the quote from The Indonesian +Handbook and Fred Rice's comments about temporary marriages? If so, +I will be glad to repost them. Will you accept that it just may be +a practice among some Muslims, if I do? Or will you continue to claim +that we are all lying and that it is ""not practised at all amongst Muslims"". + +I don't think F. Karner has to tell everyone anything. Least of all that +he is lying.",0 +" + +It is no matter what you call the teams, Jokerit and TPS, or Helsinki Tornado +and Turku Typhoon, the best palyers in Finland would eventually end up in +those teams anyway, if they were in the ""big"" league. + +",10 +" +Where were you brought up? In the former USSR? Is Innocent until proven +guilty by a jury of your peers, NOT Dan Rather, dead in this country? Seems +so. Is tax evasion, the only charge brought against the BDs, punishable by +death in this country, now? + + +Not really. You are a blind idiot. + + +""Not sure"", yet you condem them to death for it? If the BATF had stayed home, +all would be alive, now. So who murdered who? +You have a short memory. + +next. + +Sleep well, tonite, heartless idiot. Sleep the sleep of the simple-minded. + +I shall weep for my country, myself. + + +I'm short of patience tonite, but rabid dogs deserve and get better treatment +than the BDs got. + +Jim +-- +jmd@handheld.com",19 +" + + + +Well, yes, the exhaust is where the majority of the noise comes out, but the +basics (tone, firing cadence, etc.) are determined by the engine configuration. +In the case of the Viper, yes, we are discussing a HUGE multicylinder 90-deg. +engine, which will sound somewhat like a truck. And my understanding, btw, is +that that V-10 engine was designed originally with the intention of being ad- +aptible for either the trucks or the Viper. And from what I've heard (no first +hand knowledge :-( ) it's doing a pretty good job at both. + +And the best exhaust sound in the world is now and will always be a 60-degree +DOHC Colombo-designed V-12. Period.",7 +" + +Right. In the thirties both Buick and Packard had two spares mounted in +wells in the front fenders. Of course that was back when the front +fenders were long enough to provide room. There were a couple of other +marques that did this as well, but memory fades.",7 +"I do not have this type of problem, but at one point an Apple rep +told me that Duo's ""System Enabler"" file version 1.0.1 fixes some +kind of sleep-related problem. You may want to investigate this...",4 +"Subject says it all... +Anyone know where I can find one. Binaries are nice, but source would +do to. + +Thanks in advance, + + +",5 +" +So which are you advocating? + +That You know Nothing About American History, +Or that You Know Nothing About the Bible? + +Is this a Restoration of the ""Know Nothing"" Party? + +ciao +drieux + +ps: what WAS the ""Free Negro Sailor Act"" about, +and what was the Supreme Court's Ruling On it... and +More Importantly, how does this Complicate the Mythology +that all blacks were slaves???? + +",18 +" + +Hmmm.. The LDDC security guards over here in Docklands only place parking +stickers on the drivers SIDE windows.. But on reflection that could still +cause an accident.. Suppose it's because people aren't as litigious over +here as in the states :-) + +Stephen",8 +"Dear Folks: + +It's a pleasure to be able to announce the release of a new freeware program, +Xavier, an audio and video extension to InterViews. + +Xavier(eXtension AV class for IntERviews) is a C++ class library +that adds multimedia capability to InterViews. It allows composite +multimedia objects to be built from media objects. + +Specifically, it adds audio and video objects to the classes available +in InterViews 3.0.1/3.1, and it does so without changing the +source code for the original classes (though several configuration +files for InterViews need to be changed via a patch file). + +Currently, the Xavier audio classes are only supported on SUN +workstations with an audio interface, such as the SPARCstation2. + +Xavier has been tested in the following environments: + +SUN: + Machine : SPARCserver470 SPARCstation-IPC + OS : SUN-OS4.1.1 or later + C++ : SUN C++ ver2.1 + +NEC(EWS): + Machine : EWS4800/210,230 + OS : EWS-UX/V(Rel4.0) WSOS41 Release5.1,Release5.2 + C++ : C++ Release3.1 + +It can be obtained via anonymous ftp from + + interviews.stanford.edu in /pub/contrib/ + (Xavier.large-demo.tar, and Xavier.tar) + +We are preparing a mailing-list for information regarding Xavier. +If you are interested, please contact + + xavier@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp. + +I will add your e-mail address to our list. + +[Reference] +o Rei Hamakawa, Hizekazu Sakagami, Jun Rekimoto: + Audio and Video Extension to Graphical Interface Toolkits, + The Third International Workshop on Network and Operating + System Support for Digital Audio and Video, San Diego, 1992",5 +"From another not-so-distressed-but-still-wondering-about-a-few-things +Cardinal fan: + + He's not the greatest - this is true. + I saw it. + Lankford was hurt, although the announcer said he told Torre he + could pinch hit if they needed him to. + I wondered the same thing. But giving Joe the benefit of the + doubt, I'd say he was thinking that Lankford is hurt enough that + he didn't trust his ability to bat effectively but he wants his + speed on the bases so pinch run him. Alicea I was completely + confused about. Maybe he had a good record hitting against that + particular pitcher? I don't know. Anybody got an idea? + Well, so far I haven't seen much to say Whiten shouldn't be playing + but it is too bad that Gilkey is the odd man out when they play + Jordan ahead of him. That I don't quite understand. + Yup, I looked for this on the replay too. If I'm Joe Torre, I'm + going to have a talk with Bucky after the game on that one. He's + got Lankford at third with Todd Zeile I believe - a hot hitter - + coming up - there's no reason to risk giving Lankford the go sign + in that situation unless he was sure the ball is going to the stands. + It's his job to watch the play develop - he should have known Larkin + was there to back up a bad throw. That seemed inexcusable in my book. + BTW, I saw Dent do the same thing last year with Zeile rounding third + and going into a sure out at home in a critical situation. On the + replay, there's Dent waving him around. It looks like this might be a + serious problem. The Card's weren't good base runners at all last year + and I wonder how much of the fault lies in the base coaching. + + Well, I'm still hanging in there. + + GO REDBIRDS!! WOOF, WOOF!!! + + +Dick Detweiler",9 +" +I have already called senators, legislators and the Governor demanding +that the warrants be unsealed, and that all involved in this atrocity +(including the President, Attorney General and Governor) be suspended +pending an investigation. + +I seriously doubt, however, that anything will ever be done. + + +Welcome to Amerika! + +",16 +"THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary + (Pittsburgh, Pennslyvania) +______________________________________________________________ +For Immediate Release April 17, 1993 + + + RADIO ADDRESS TO THE NATION + BY THE PRESIDENT + + Pittsburgh International Airport + Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania + + +10:06 A.M. EDT + + + THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. My voice is coming to +you this morning through the facilities of the oldest radio +station in America, KDKA in Pittsburgh. I'm visiting the city to +meet personally with citizens here to discuss my plans for jobs, +health care and the economy. But I wanted first to do my weekly +broadcast with the American people. + + I'm told this station first broadcast in 1920 when +it reported that year's presidential elections. Over the past +seven decades presidents have found ways to keep in touch with +the people, from whistle-stop tours to fire-side chats to the bus +tour that I adopted, along with Vice President Gore, in last +year's campaign. + + Every Saturday morning I take this time to talk with +you, my fellow Americans, about the problems on your minds and +what I'm doing to try and solve them. It's my way of reporting +to you and of giving you a way to hold me accountable. + + You sent me to Washington to get our government and +economy moving after years of paralysis and policy and a bad +experiment with trickle-down economics. You know how important +it is for us to make bold, comprehensive changes in the way we do +business. + + We live in a competitive global economy. Nations +rise and fall on the skills of their workers, the competitiveness +of their companies, the imagination of their industries, and the +cooperative experience and spirit that exists between business, +labor and government. Although many of the economies of the +industrialized world are now suffering from slow growth, they've +made many of the smart investments and the tough choices which +our government has for too long ignored. That's why many of them +have been moving ahead and too many of our people have been +falling behind. + + We have an economy today that even when it grows is +not producing new jobs. We've increased the debt of our nation +by four times over the last 12 years, and we don't have much to +show for it. We know that wages of most working people have +stopped rising, that most people are working longer work weeks +and that too many families can no longer afford the escalating +cost of health care. + + But we also know that, given the right tools, the +right incentives and the right encouragement, our workers and +businesses can make the kinds of products and profits our economy +needs to expand opportunity and to make our communities better +places to live. + + In many critical products today Americans are the +low cost, high quality producers. Our task is to make sure that +we create more of those kinds of jobs. + + Just two months ago I gave Congress my plan for +long-term jobs and economic growth. It changes the old +priorities in Washington and puts our emphasis where it needs to +be -- on people's real needs, on increasing investments and jobs +and education, on cutting the federal deficit, on stopping the +waste which pays no dividends, and redirecting our precious +resources toward investment that creates jobs now and lays the +groundwork for robust economic growth in the future. + + These new directions passed the Congress in record +time and created a new sense of hope and opportunity in our +country. Then the jobs plan I presented to Congress, which would +create hundreds of thousands of jobs, most of them in the private +sector in 1993 and 1994, passed the House of Representatives. It +now has the support of a majority of the United States Senate. +But it's been held up by a filibuster of a minority in the +Senate, just 43 senators. They blocked a vote that they know +would result in the passage of our bill and the creation of jobs. + + The issue isn't politics; the issue is people. +Millions of Americans are waiting for this legislation and +counting on it, counting on us in Washington. But the jobs bill +has been grounded by gridlock. + + I know the American people are tired of business as +usual and politics as usual. I know they don't want us to spin +or wheels. They want the recovery to get moving. So I have +taken a first step to break this gridlock and gone the extra +mile. Yesterday I offered to cut the size of this plan by 25 +percent -- from $16 billion to $12 billion. + + It's not what I'd hoped for. With 16 million +Americans looking for full-time work, I simply can't let the bill +languish when I know that even a compromise bill will mean +hundreds of thousands of jobs for our people. The mandate is to +act to achieve change and move the country forward. By taking +this initiative in the face of an unrelenting Senate talkathon, I +think we can respond to your mandate and achieve a significant +portion of our original goals. + + First, we want to keep the programs as much as +possible that are needed to generate jobs and meet human needs, +including highway and road construction, summer jobs for young +people, immunization for children, construction of waste water +sites, and aid to small businesses. We also want to keep funding +for extended unemployment compensation benefits, for people who +have been unemployed for a long time because the economy isn't +creating jobs. + + Second, I've recommended that all the other programs +in the bill be cut across-the-board by a little more than 40 +percent. + + And third, I've recommended a new element in this +program to help us immediately start our attempt to fight against +crime by providing $200 million for cities and towns to rehire +police officers who lost their jobs during the recession and put +them back to work protecting our people. I'm also going to fight +for a tough crime bill because the people of this country need it +and deserve it. + + Now, the people who are filibustering this bill -- +the Republican senators -- say they won't vote for it because it +increases deficit spending, because there's extra spending this +year that hasn't already been approved. That sounds reasonable, +doesn't it? Here's what they don't say. This program is more +than paid for by budget cuts over my five-year budget, and this +budget is well within the spending limits already approved by the +Congress this year. + + It's amazing to me that many of these same senators +who are filibustering the bill voted during the previous +administration for billions of dollars of the same kind of +emergency spending, and much of it was not designed to put the +American people to work. + + This is not about deficit spending. We have offered +a plan to cut the deficit. This is about where your priorities +are -- on people or on politics. + + Keep in mind that our jobs bill is paid for dollar +for dollar. It is paid for by budget cuts. And it's the +soundest investment we can now make for ourselves and our +children. I urge all Americans to take another look at this jobs +and investment program; to consider again the benefits for all of +us when we've helped make more American partners working to +ensure the future of our nation and the strength of our economy. + + You know, if every American who wanted a job had +one, we wouldn't have a lot of the other problems we have in this +country today. This bill is not a miracle, it's a modest first +step to try to set off a job creation explosion in this country +again. But it's a step we ought to take. And it is fully paid +for over the life of our budget. + + Tell your lawmakers what you think. Tell them how +important the bill is. If it passes, we'll all be winners. + + Good morning, and thank you for listening.",18 +" + +You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super +dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... + +With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. + +Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to +a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system + +Maybe my workstation doesn't understand what your vesa local bus +IDE is + +Vesa local bus will be killed off by pcmi? whatever intels spec is. +VLBUS it not good for much more than vga cards. + +To each his own. I'll laugh when you start crying over how much you +spent for your 2 little ide drives and then finding out you need more +space. + +Here Here.... + + + +don't stick your foot in your mouth when you make a statement you know +nothing about. + + +I'd rather wait a second compared to the 5 minutes and ide would take. +(obviously exaggerated). + +Have you ever tried to backup 2 gigs of disk? Oh I forgot you can't +because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. + + +I guess you probably bought a 486sx too + + +What? The SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE spec has much more bandwidth than any stupid +vlbus ide crap.... + +Stop this thread now, Its just cluttering up bandwidth. If you want +to read about scsi vs ide just pay a visit to you local usenet archive. + +the best SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE,etc is clearly faster than any the best ide drive. +All the response given are based upon personal experience with 1 or 2 +drives. You can't judge such completely different interfaces. +IDE has the low cost adavantage + a descent performance. +SCSI has the ability for super high capacity expandibility and speed. + +neither one is better in all cases. + +If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick +up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa +busmastering cards. + +send flames to /dev/null..... +",3 +" + +",13 +" +You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be +contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction +and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions? +What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that +Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time? +This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically +stood by the Pope. + +It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is +disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over +authority and discipline. + +My question to the supporters of SSPX is this: + + Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms + could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that + the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX + don't jointly make such choice.) + +If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority. +If I adopt the view that ""I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and +there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours"", that +I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me. + +The Orthodox Church does not recognize papal authority/jurisdiction +viewing authority as present in each bishop, and in Ecumenical +Councils. We regard the subsequent development of the doctrines +regarding papal authority and jurisdiction to be a separation of +the Bishop of Rome from the Orthodox church. Without going into +the merits of the Great Schism, at least the Orthodox agree that +a split occurred, and don't paly what appear to be semantic games +like ""He's the Pope, but we don't recognize that what he does +is effective..."". Words aside, it appears to be a de facto split. + + +We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the ""real"" +traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter +East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years. + + +I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow +error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.` +I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-) + +What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement +regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how +do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility? +Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand. +Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome, +one way or the other. + + +It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the +Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope. + + +True enough. + + +One could argue that they are establishing a non-geographic jurisdiction. +I don't know if that's even a concept or problem in Catholic circles. + +Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) +-- ",15 +"Available for Weekly/bi-weekly/weekend Rental : + +A brand new chalet in a private resort community located in the heart +of the Pocono Mountains. The chalet has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms and +features full carpeting, cathedral ceiling in living/dining room, an +overlooking loft, stone fireplace, wraparound deck, country kitchen +with all appliances and many other features too numerous to list them +all. Its custom designed and built and tastefully furnished for the +comfort of 8 adults. + +The community has 24 hour security and offers 2 large lakes, 4 sandy +beaches, 2 swimming pools, 9 tennis courts, many picnic areas, +4 playgrounds, miniature golf, trout stream/lake fishing, team softball, +shuffleboard, ice skating/tobagun run, teen dances, club house etc. etc. + +There are many recreational facilities within easy reach of the +vacation home. Ski resorts, luxury hotels with nitely entertaiment, +Pocono international raceway, golf courses, parks, gamelands, +whitewater rafting, horseback riding, scenic trails, waterfalls, +train rides, historical places, all kinds of restaurants, +factory outlet malls, tourist attractions, just to name a few. + +This is an ideal place for a family/group vacation or a weekend +getaway. There is no traffic congestion and air or water pollution +and its only 2 hours from New York, Northern New Jersey and +Philadelphia. + +For further information call :",6 +"i used to say ""if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face"". +i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's +skin at 30 (it's still oily). i have only a very few tiny wrinkles. Thank +your lucky stars for that skin. +",13 +"I am trying to build and use imake (X11R4) on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX V3.2. +I am having the following 2 problems. + +(1) Many of my Imakefile's have contructs like + /**/#This is a makefile + at the start of lines to pass Makefile comments thru the C + preprocessor and into the Makefile. Most of the C preprocessors that + I have used will not treat such a # as appearing at the start of the + line. Thus the C preprocessor does not treat the hash symbol as the + start of a directive. + + However the IBM cpp strips the comment and treats the hash symbol + as the start of a directive. The cpp fails when it determines + that ""This"" is not a known directive. I have temporarily hacked my + imake to handle this situation but would like to come up with a better + fix. + +(2) Several Imakefiles use /**/ as a parameter to a macro when a particular + use of the macro does not need a value for the parameter. The AIX cpp + gives warnings about these situations but continues to work OK. + +If you are familiar with these problems and have solutions, I would appreciate +information about on your solutions. (Perhaps, this is solved in a later +version of imake that I have not reviewed.) Also, do you know of other cpp's +that behave similarly?",5 + ,0 +" + + +conner peripherals has a 1-800 number with a touch-tone /voice response +data bank giving all the info. + +if you call 1-800 directory assisatnce (1-800-555-1212) and ask for the +phone number of ""conner peripherals,"" you should get what you need.",3 +" +[...] + +(the date I have for this is 1-26-93) + +note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess +this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though. + +--- cut here ---",11 +" + +I think you need the EMM386.EXE noems +This will let the expanded mem be active but not use any, therefore +this will give you more extended mem for windows yet have all the +bases covered. + + + +I do not use dos6 so I am not familiar with this. + +c-ya..... /\/\artin",2 +" +Many Companies package Syquest drives for the mac already.... So unless you +are using one for the IBM world, Id buy a Mac ready Config.",4 +"Doesn't Motorola AMCU have something on the BBS yet? (512-891-3733) +",12 +" + +I beg to disagree with the assertion that science is a collection of models. +Scientific models are a game to play, and are only as good as the +assumptions and measurements (if any) that go into them. + +As an example, I remember when nuclear winter was the big hype in +atmospheric science. It wasn't long after Sagan's admonitions that +one of our boys was adding another level of reality into his model of +the nuclear winter scenario at ERL in Boulder. He decided to assume +that the atmosphere is more like a two-dimensional thing, than a one- +dimensional thing. He also assumed that it rained and that the winds +blow in the real atmosphere. On returning to Georgia Tech, he showed +a transparency of atmospheric cooling rates according to the year they +were generated by the models. There was an unmistakable correlation +between the age (meaning simplicity of assumptions; i.e., remoteness +from reality) of each model and the degree of cooling. Whereas Sagan's +model showed an approximate 40-degree cooling episode, the next model +in sophistication showed about half that, and so on until we got to +our boy's model, which showed a 1-2 degree drop if the war happened in +the winter and less than a 10 degree drop if it happened in the summer. +He predicted that when we would include the presence of oceans, chemistry, +the biosphere, and other indicators of reality in the models, we would +probably see even less cooling. Thus nuclear winter was reduced to even +less than a nuclear autumn, one might say, to a nuclear fizzle. + +To quote from H.S. Yoder, + + The postulated models have become accepted as the reality + instead of the lattice of assumptions they are. + Authoritarianism dominates the field, and a very critical + analysis of each argument is to be encouraged.... Skepticism + of the model approach to earth problems is warranted because + many key parameters have not been included. + +This statement surely applies equally well to cosmogony. Only when +convincing observational evidence substantiates the modeled results +may one suggest that the model may describe the reality. Just thought +I'd clear that up before things really got out of hand. + +-- +boundary",15 +"These programs all include complete printed manuals and +registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. +They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs +at less than half the list price and significantly less +than the cheapest mail-order price around. + +* MICROSOFT ENTERTAINMENT PACK VOLUME ONE, includes eight +different Windows-based games, including Tetris, Taipei, +Minesweeper, TicTactics, Golf, Cruel, Pegged, and IdleWild, +list $49, sale $20. + +* JUST JOKING FOR WINDOWS 1.0, database of jokes from +WordStar, can quickly find jokes for many different +occasions, useful for business writers, speechwriters, +presenters, and others, more than 2,800 jokes under 250 +topics, can search by keyword and author, list $49, sale +$25. + +* HUMOR PROCESSOR 2.02, DOS-based database of jokes, +requires only 384 KB of RAM, along with thousands of +categorized jokes you can quickly find also includes an +online tutorial for writing your own jokes with proven +comedy forumulas, list $99, sale $45. + +* HISTORY OF THE WORLD 1.0, multimedia CD-ROM covering cave +society to the present, includes recordings of 25 famous +speeches from Churchhill, Gandi, and others, list $795, sale +$160. + +If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at +215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you.",6 +" +Oh, that was just a bet. +",0 +"I'm looking for a PC that is small and doesn't break apart if you drop +it on the groud. +It doesn't have to have graphics, text only will do +just fine. It doesn't have to be fast either, 8086 will do, I hope. +But you must stand a pretty hard enviroment without breaking apart, +jumnping on it or trying to use it outdoor while it is raining and so +forth. I need 640Kb of memory and a convinient way of loading +applications into it that I wrote myself (floppy or somekind of +writeable cartridge?). + +Is there a PC like that?? And where can I get more info? +I know of the Atari portfolio but it can't stand the rain.... +",3 +" +Absolutely not true! +There are lots of them!",17 +"HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO +ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG +ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE. + +HARDWARE: +AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD +AMI BIOS 91 +CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE +TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA",2 +"To make room for Harkey, the Cubs sent Shawn Boskie down to AAA. +",9 +" + + The girl's OK, actually, and she recovered well enough to go home. I +don't know if she has any permanent damage, though. Just in case anybody was +concerned... + + + If people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions +things like this wouldn't happen. Untill we stop blaming outside causes, and +start blaming the criminals, we will continue to let things like this happen. + +",7 +"I am working on a project to provide an emergency management +information system. In keeping with more classic command and +control type systems, we are considering developing a dual screen monitor +system in order to provide a status board on it's own monitor. +I have a number of X level questions regarding this: + +(We are devloping on Unix systems using X/Motif. Platform will be +predominantly Sun's, probably with ports to RS/6000 as well). + +I am assuming the standard dual monitor systems are configured +such that we are talking about one X display and multiple screens, +and not multiple X displays. Given this: + + - Is changing input focus from one screen to the other as simple + as tracking your mouse from one screen to the other? There's + nothing special that needs to be done to shift focus between + screens? + + - Do I have to run separate window managers on the separate + screens or are there multiscreen window managers out there? + What are they; who sells them... + + - Is a multi-screen window manager the only way I can grab a + window frame and move a window from one screen to the next? + + - Is there any way for the application to transparently see + multiple screens as one logical x-y plane, or does the hardware + only provide for each screen to start at 0,0? + + - Any thoughts on the difficulties involved with designing a + system capable of using either multiple screens or a single + screen (perhaps running a virtual window manager to simulate + multiple screens instead)? + I am assuming that this is not a major issue - that I can rely + on providing config files which will specify for each + configuration the screen placement of each window in the + application. Any thoughts or suggestions from past experience + are more than welcome. +",5 +"time + +No, Lt Calley was later acquitted. His troops killed 400-500 +people, including kids, elderly and women... I sure don't want +to see the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country +adhere to those ""military standards""... If they did, we're +all in big trouble...(The My Lai massacre was covered up +by high-ranking officials and ALL who were involved were +ACQUITTED). + + == Minh ==",16 +"I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? +(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) +",9 +"Hello world, does anyone know of a Postscript PPD for a Versatec +A0-size plotter, which is generally accessed via a ZEH Postscript +interpreter? Replies by e-mail very gratefully received - this is +proving to be quite a tricky one. + +_________________________________________________________________________ +Andrew D. Nielsen Internet : anielsen@DIALix.oz.au +Advanced Systems Consultant AppleLink: AUST0278 +AppleCentre Perth +69 Adelaide Tce Tel: +61-9-2214511 +PERTH WA 6004 AUSTRALIA FAX: +61-9-2212527",4 +" +Johnny Mize had six three-HR games, which is the current record. +",9 +" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + + I just wanted to point out that some of the food, particularly + the soups, are prepared in a big batch, so the restaurant + won't be able to take the MSG out of it. Sometimes its + pretty hard to find out if this is the case or not. + +",13 +" +There were an assortment of firmware problems, but that is pretty much +expected with any FAX/modem talking with a different FAX or modem +which may have also been revised or is new. I'm pretty much +oblivious to any current firmware problems, so you'll have to get it +from someone else. + +However, I can tell you to stay clear of any board which uses the +Rockwell MPU (as opposed to the DPU) for an internal implementation. +This is because the MPU used ""speed buffering"" instead of having a +16550 interface. Without the 550 interface, the number of interrupts +are still the same and thus may get dropped under multitasking +conditions (like in windows). As far as I know, the ""speed buffering"" +works OK for external modems if a 550 is used on the internal serial +port board. + +Hope this helps... +Tom +",3 +" + + + +",3 +" +740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I +believe the Beetle corners better. + +I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever. +I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.",7 +" +Evidence given for her prostitute status, besides the admittedly +questionable claim of the man on trial included: + +1. Prior employment in a number of massage parlors, with women who +claimed that she worked as a prostitute; + +2. Walking around a truck stop at 4:00 AM wearing a lace miniskirt, +a halter top, and no underwear of any sort; + +3. Not having a purse or other I.D. with her. + +Not enough to convict her, but enough to create reasonable doubt +whether a rape actually took place, or theft of services. + +Are you just ignorant, or lying again? + + +The accounts on the evening news indicated that they claimed self- +defense, and the judge agreed that they were so operating. +",18 +"Yeah, the news is true...the Leafs lost to the Wings 6-3. +Wish I could say I'd seen the whole game but my husband wanted +to watch ""Young Guns II"" on another channel. Sometime between +the first time I tuned in and d saw the Leafs tie and the next time +I tuned in and heard the score was 5-1, something happened. + Please no woofing from Red Wings fans. They're my third +favourite team, and if they make it past the Leafs I'll wish them +luck. As for Potvin...well, it WAS his fist playoff game.",10 +"The following is posted for a friend. Send replies to the address at +the end of the post please. + +Attention Zenith Z-248 owners!!! upgrade your 8 MHz AT-class machine to '386 +performance with a genuine Zenith motherboard for a clone price! Motherboard +and I/O card pop right in to your Z-248 case while keeping your existing +video and disk controllers. + +Zenith Z-386/25 motherboard featuring 16kb of 16-layer, posted-write cache +using 15 ns SRAM; 8 Mb of 70 ns DRAM included, accepts 20 Mb on motherboard +(further RAM upgrades available via SuperSlots running at memory bus speeds; +7 Expansion slots feature 4 Zenith 32-bit SuperSlots: autodetects 8/16/32-bit +adapters; latest rev. of Z-300 setup/monitor ROMs, two serial ports, one +parallel port, secondary fan for improved system cooling, Z-386 User's Guide, +Z-386 Maintenance Guide and diagnostics disk included. $575 (includes +S/H/insurance). + +Replies to: stann@aol.com + +Replies to me will be forwarded. + +Thanks..... + +brian",6 +" +This is not borne out of reality; the old Soviet Union had a very +serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade, guns that were +of commercial grade because they were produced in honest-to-goodness +machineshops. Why would all production have to be local; don't we +have a road system that is the envy of the world? + +I seem to recall incidents in the past where Chinese entreprenaurs +attempted to smuggle AK-47s (semi-autos) into this country to +get around import number limitations (May have been Gunweek where +I read that years ago...) + +Any person with high-school drafting skills and vocational school +machineshop training could produce a submachinegun. You talk about +the average person not being able get even a zip-gun; well now, think +of all that private CNC controlled machinery that is not being used for +3 shifts a day; do you think that if guns were being sold on the +black market for say, $150, an enterprising mechanical engineer +could be using that machinery to produce workable submachineguns +for sale? After all, GUNWEEK had an article and pictures on how BATF +was looking for the manufacturer of quite efficient silencers that +were of commercial quality and finish.",16 +" +Not exactly the same, but reminiscent of the assassination of Count +Bernadotte, who was _the_ UN negotiator during the 1948 Israeli war of +independence. He was killed by the Israelis. Seems he was being too +successful in negotiating a cease-fire, which would have worked +territorially against the nascent Israel, compared to continued war.",17 +" + + +Neither did he! + + +Overall? How do you figure? + + +So far my radio hasn't exploded from not being tuned to 660... +",9 +" +Fine. Libertarians and anarchists are not alone in being uncomfortable +with the use of state sponsored coercion. The notion that coercion can +be virtually eliminated in a society (or more properly that once it is +eliminated on the part of the state it is no longer worth serious +consideration) is a view that is peculiar to libertarians and anarchists. + +For example, does ""non-initiated force"" (coercion) include tax collection? +Does it include the minimal level of regulation of commerce envisioned +by Adam Smith? Since coercion can be exercised by actors other than the +state, how is the state to deal with it? Exclusively through after the +fact arbitration/legal compulsion? + + +Well, I must admit that the picture of libertarians as Amway participants +is somewhat more reassuring than the idea of them trying to govern a +complex, conflictual, industrial society. I'd venture to point out, +however, that if libertarians couldn't convince at least 85% of a group +of ""seminar participants"" to ""embrace"" their philosophy, their +propaganda skills need to be honed. + +Frankly, however, it is no great trick to create a government for a +society in which (almost) everyone is assumed to agree about what is a proper +government policy. Once that is assumed, all sorts of annoying formalities +can be dispensed with, elections, police, etc. And as Mr. Marx said, +the state will just wither away. + +On the way there, however, would you like to explain how eliminating +virtually all policies that restrain private coercion in the +current society will help us to live happier lives? Or is it like +socialism; just some short-term pain that we'll have to bear until +everyone has had the benefit of ""re-education"" through regular +""seminar"" training? + +jsh +",18 +"For sale - Mazda 323 + + 1986 Mazda 323 + White exterior, Grey interior. + 75,000 miles + Interior in very good condition. + Exterior in good condition + + Pioneer DX 680 car stereo. + - CD player + - 18 FM presets, 6 AM + - removable faceplate + - seperate component speakers professionally mounted + in the doors. + +The car has been well maintained. I wax it often and keep the interior +clean. Its a good running car with a solid body (no rust thru, tiny +spots of surface rust. When I see a spot I touch it up.) The stereo +makes the car. I have had no mechanical problems with it. + +I'm looking for $900.00 firm. The car has an average wholesale value of +about $900.00 without the stereo. The stereo cost me $500.00 last July. + +If you are interested, call or Email me at:",7 +" +Once again, it appears that the one-eyed man has appeared in the land of the sighted +and for some strange resaon has appointed himself the ruler and supreme power.",18 +"Does one exist, who makes it, and how much? +Thanks:)",4 +"I was whatching The History Of The Indy 500 the other day, +and early in the film, around the '10-'20's, a name, Lois Chevrolet, +came out of the blue. I wanted to know if he is THE Chevrolet founder +or mearly a driver who's name was called the same as the other guy's?:^)",7 +" + Then they'll probably also want to start tracking the customer +lists of people purchasing SoundBlaster and similar boards, which can +be configured with the use of some code and a modem, to act as a pretty +decent digital-encrypting telephone. It's expensive, though, and kind +of awkward. I don't know any drug lords, but I'm sure they'd favor +something tappable over something secure as long as the user interface +is nice. + + When you've got HRH Prince of Wales saying stupid things over +cordless phones, it's not hard to imagine that drug dealers, child +pornographers, commies, LISP programmers, and other threats to the +civilized world might transact incriminating business over ""encrypting"" +cellular phones. +",11 +" +================== +Let me see, ""unless you have an accident, you won't need more"", hmmmmmmm.",7 +" +Those areas became states. + +Puerto Rico has the population needed to become a state. But the ethnic +mix there is such that Puerto Rico will probably never become a state. + +I say we cut them loose. If they don't want to become a state, we +shouldn't continue to subsidize their existence.",18 +" +Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel, +handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset +according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have +everything... Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards +of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days. + +All this gleemed from reviews and discussions with owners. I too lust after +this bike.",8 +" + +Ah, double-fulfillment. First of all I would say that I'm not sure all +the prophecies had double-fulfillment, e.g., the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy. + +I would say that just because this happens on some occasions does not mean +it will occur always, especially with regard to NT prophecies. The apostles +who quoted the OT and applied those passages to Jesus were acting as divine +messengers and giving the inerrant Word of God to the Church. No one has +that authority today. No one has the apostolic authority to say that +such-and-such a prophecy has double-fulfillment. If the imagry of +Revelation fits with events of the 1st century, it is folly for us to try +and make it apply to events 20 centuries later. +",15 +" + +Ideologies also split, giving more to disagree upon, and may also lead +to intolerance. So do you also oppose all ideologies? + +I don't think your argument is an argument against religion at all, but +just points out the weaknesses of human nature. + + +I would like a reference if you have got one, for this is news to me. + + +One must approach the Qur'an with intelligence. Any thinking approach +to the Qur'an cannot but interpret the above verse and others like it +that women and men are spiritual equals. + +I think that the above verse does clearly imply that women have +souls. Does it make any sense for something without a soul to be +forgiven? Or to have a great reward (understood to be in the +after-life)? I think the usual answer would be no -- in which case, the +part saying ""For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward"" +says they have souls. + +(If it makes sense to say that things without souls can be forgiven, then +I have no idea _what_ a soul is.) + +As for your saying that the quote above may not be given a high priority +in all interpretations, any thinking approach to the Qur'an has to give +all verses of the Qur'an equal priority. That is because, according to +Muslim belief, the _whole_ Qur'an is the revelation of God -- in fact, +denying the truth of any part of the Qur'an is sufficient to be +considered a disbeliever in Islam. + + +Look, any approach to the Qur'an must be done with intelligence and +thought. It is in this fashion that one can try to understand the +Quran's message. In a book of finite length, it cannot explicitly +answer every question you want to put to it, but through its teachings +it can guide you. I think, however, that women are the spiritual equals +of men is clearly and unambiguously implied in the above verse, and that +since women can clearly be ""forgiven"" and ""rewarded"" they _must_ have +souls (from the above verse). + +Let's try to understand what the Qur'an is trying to teach, rather than +try to see how many ways it can be misinterpreted by ignoring this +passage or that passage. The misinterpretations of the Qur'an based on +ignoring this verse or that verse are infinite, but the interpretations +fully consistent are more limited. Let's try to discuss these +interpretations consistent with the text rather than how people can +ignore this bit or that bit, for that is just showing how people can try +to twist Islam for their own ends -- something I do not deny -- but +provides no reflection on the true teachings of Islam whatsoever.",0 +" +There are roughly 1200 fatal, firearms-related accidents each year. +The large majority involve rifles and shotgun; there are under 500 +fatal handgun accidents each year. I really doubt all of those +occur while the pistol is holstered, so the number of ""self-inflicted +gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters"" is probably +well under 250 per year. + + +Handguns designs have included a ""hammer block"" since around 1960 +or earlier. This is a metal part which physically seperates +the cartridge and the firing pin: Even under impact, the gun +cannot fire. The hammer block is connected to the trigger and +is pulled out of the way as the trigger is pulled. As a result, +modern pistols can fire _only_ if the trigger is pulled (or +in some cases, if they are cocked by hand and then dropped.) + + +I don't know about animal attacks, but there are 23,500 murders +each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest. If only +2.1% of the murders were killings by ""wacko""s, you would be +wrong. Worse, there are also 102,500 rapes and 1,055,000 aggravated +assaults each year. These numbers make violent attacks, and +preventing them, thousands of times more significant than the +accidents you are worried about. + +(These figures, by the way, are from the FBI's ""Uniform Crime +Report"" for 1990. I'll stop by a library tomorrow and look at +the ""National Crime Victimization Survey"", which is more +specific about where and when the crimes occured.)",16 +"I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody +happen to know where I could find such a beast? + + Thanks in advance, + Jerry +-- ",2 +"{drinking & riding} + +0.20 is DWI in New York? Here the limit is 0.08 !",8 +"Well, I have compiled some statistics on the entries of my pool. There +are unofficially 52 entrants. Here are the stats on what teams were +picked to win it all: + +Pittsburgh: 34 (1 sweep, 14 in 5, 15 in 6, 4 in 7) +Boston: 6 (1 in 5, 5 in 6) +Detroit: 4 (3 in 6, 1 in 7) +Montreal: 2 (1 in 5, 1 in 7) +Toronto: 2 (1 in 6, 1 in 7) + (no, this wasn't Roger) +Calgary: 1 (in 6) +Quebec: 1 (in 6) +Vancouver: 1 (in 7) +Washington: 1 (in 6) + +Why the hell hasn't anybody picked Chicago??? NOBODY! Quebec got a pick, +Detroit got 4, but absolutely no Chicago! How odd. + +Here are the ""losers"": + +Detroit: 20 +Chicago: 16 (so there they are!) +Pittsburgh: 6 +Vancouver: 4 +Boston: 2 +Calgary: 2 +Los Angeles: 1 what?!? +Toronto: 1 + +LOS ANGELES??????? Are you out of your mind?!?!? Good luck to you, +you'll need it! + +So Pittsburgh is the consensus winner of the Stanley Cup. They'll +statistically beat Detroit in 6 games. HAHA that's happening! NOT! As +I said, every one of my picks will come true, and I picked Chicago to lose +to Pittsburgh in the finals, so tough luck to all you who picket Detroit. +Well, tough luck to all of ya! I am a genius!!! ;-) + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 +"Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't +have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information: + +1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have +to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too +ignorant to know I need to buy) + +2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in +about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up +till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a +motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes +a difference) + +3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? + +4) In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a +state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then +get a learners permit. However, I'm wondering how one goes about +learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence +and b) not kill oneself. I don't know anyone with a bike who could +teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either ""do you live near a +field"" or ""do you have a friend with a pickup truck"", the answers to both +of which are NO. Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for +the best? I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs. +It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that +doesn't seem too viable. Any stories on how you all learned? + +Thanks for any replies in advance. + + -Greg Humphreys + :wq + ^^^ + Meant to do that. (Damn autoindent) +",8 +"Getting an image from a computer monitor to a videotape +is harder than it looks. The standard VGA and EGA outputs are +very different than the NTSC format used by televisions. While +there is equipment that will do the conversion, it is hard to +get your hands on and costs quite a bit. + + If you have access to an Amiga computer, that has an +NTSC output, you can transfer certain types of graphic files by +modem and tape them from the NTSC output. Unfortunately, this +would be frame-by-frame and would lead to unbelievably scratchy +animation unless you had a good Amiga animation program.",1 +"Excerpts from the Clipper announcement, with some questions: + + + +In these two sections the phrases `or other legal order' and `normally a +court order' imply there is some other way or ways of doing a legal +wiretap. What is/are these? How do they affect the way people who trust the +system of court orders to protect them feel about this escrow system? + +The second section shows the sequence of events. +The law enforcer, armed with his warrant, attaches his headphones to the +line with his croc-clips (remember, these are the folk who couldn't cope +with digital telephony) and hears a load of modem-like tones (we are +talking analogue telephony here). +What next? What modulation scheme do these Clipper boxes use? +Is it possible to record the tones for use after the keys are obtained? +I thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some +intermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course +in data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the +digital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the +same problems as trying to record the tones as the demodulator would not +be at one end of the line. If calls can't be recorded for decryption later +it would be quite easy to foil the system by buying lots of Clipper units +(these are supposed to be cheap mass market items) and using them in turn. + +How tolerant is the modulation scheme to errors? These things are proposed +for use by US corporations to secure their foreign offices, where phone +line quality may well be poor. It seems hard enough to me to get digitised +speech of any quality into something a modem can handle without having to +add lots of error correction to keep the decryption in sync. + + +This raises an intersting question in the UK. Here it is illegal to connect +anything to a public telecomms network without it being approved by a body +called BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group, +that they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know +if this is true or not, but this would make a good test case. +Perhaps `friendly' countries, and the UK may still qualify, will get +to fish in the escrowed key pool as well. +",11 +"I need to sell the following items: + +an Apple IIe computer +includes: + 300 baud modem + 80 columns + Zenith green monitor + tons of software and manuals + +controller & I/O card + a Western Digital WDAT-440 +includes: + Winchester controller + Floppy controller + 2 serial ports + parallel port + + No docs, but jumper settings are printed on the card. + +An AAMAZING 1024x768 .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor +interlaced 14"" unlimited colors +includes: + Documentation + power cord and connecting cable + +Must sell these items by May 4. Make me an offer on any of them.",6 +"Actually, they are legal! I not familiar with the ad you are speaking of +but knowing Popular Science it is probably on the fringe. However, you +may be speaking of ""Public Missle, Inc."", which is a legitimate company +that has been around for a while. + +Due to advances in composite fuels, engines are now available for model +rockets using similar composites to SRB fuel, roughly 3 times more +powerful than black powder motors. They are even available in a reloadable +form, i.e. aluminum casing, end casings, o-rings (!). The engines range +from D all the way to M in common manufacture, N and O I've heard of +used at special occasions. + +To be a model rocket, however, the rocket can't contain any metal +structural parts, amongst other requirements. I've never heard of a +model rocket doing 50,000. I have heard of > 20,000 foot flights. +These require FAA waivers (of course!). There are a few large national +launches (LDRS, FireBALLS), at which you can see many > K sized engine +flights. Actually, using a > G engine constitutes the area of ""High +Power Rocketry"", which is seperate from normal model rocketry. Purchase +of engines like I have been describing require membership in the National +Association of Rocketry, the Tripoli Rocketry Assoc., or you have to +be part of an educational institute or company involved in rocketry. + +Amatuer rocketry is another area. I'm not really familiar with this, +but it is an area where metal parts are allowed, along with liquid fuels +and what not. I don't know what kind of regulations are involved, but +I'm sure they are numerous.",14 +" + +does anyone have the e-mail address for the white house. if so please send it to +me thanks a lot. + + + +",18 +"Looking for a VIDEO in and OUT Video card for the IBM. One that will +allow you to watch TV (coax) or video IN, and will do Video out, +digitize pictures. and if I am in Windows, and would like to be able to +look the RCA out for the card to my TV and have it display on there, as +well as DOS apps. + +I heard of these SNES and Genesis copiers, that will copy any games, are +those for real? + ",6 +" +Your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve +injuries. Probably it was your brachial plexus, so look that up. + + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +": +: > +: > HELP!!! +: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. +: +: +: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they +: thought were the best cars for '93. In the convertible category, the +: Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor. +: +: The one down-side I see with the car is its interior, it looks +: inexpensive and dull. +: +I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior. I really looks snazzy when +the top is off. I looks a lot better in person than on the television. (I saw +that Motorweek as well. Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it +was over ...) :*) + +Watch out for that darned ""convertible tan"" tho...",7 +"The internal HD in my LC disappeared for a day last week, and I'd like to +hear any (reasonable) theories folks can suggest for what happened. + +It is an LC, with 10MB of RAM and an 80MB internal drive, running system +7.1, with a few SCSI devices in a (so far as I know) properly terminated +chain. + +I had shut down the system for a day-- I was out of town and we sometimes +have thunderstorms this time of year-- and upon restarting got a blinking +question mark. I booted from a floppy and saw that my external HD seemed +okay, but there was no sign of the internal. + +I installed a system folder on the external and was, indeed, able to boot +from it. I tried things like Disk First Aid and Silverlining, to inquire +about the internal drive. They either could not find it or got errors in +trying to talk to it. (Silverlining claimed it was a Connor drive, but it +is a Quantum... ) + +Well, I'd backed things up, so I was able to work. But, at some point I +noticed that the internal had reappeared. Now, Disk First Aid says that +all's well, etc. Things seem to be fine. + +But, what happened? Was this a warning that something (the internal HD +or something else) is about to die? I'm definitely nervous. + +And, if this is a signal that the internal HD is sick, is it true that I +can only put up to a 127MB drive inside an LC? Some folks have claimed +there's a limitation in the LC (other'n size or power) while others (and +that includes LaCie, over the phone) say anything that fits is okay.",4 +"DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 3 + +D R O P L E T +From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an + +Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of +Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor + +VOL 1, No 11, Part 3 +------------------------------------------------------------------ + NINETEENTH LETTER + + MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI +A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMED SAW, Part 3 + +(continued from Droplet Vol 1, No 11, Part 2) + + THIRD SIGN: The miracles of Muhammad (SAW) +are extremely varied. Because his messengership is +universal, he has been distinguished by miracles that +relate to almost all species of creation. + Just as the supreme aide of a renowned ruler, arriving +with many gifts in a city where various people live, will be +welcomed by a representative of each people who +acclaims him and bids him welcome in his own language +so, too, when the supreme messenger of the Monarch of +Pre- and Post-Eternity (Ezel and Ebed Sultani) honored the +universe by coming as an envoy to the inhabitants of the +earth, and brought with him the light of truth and spiritual +gifts sent by the Creator of the universe and derived from +the realities of the whole universe, each species of +creation -from water, rocks, trees, animals and human +beings to the moon, sun and stars- welcomed him and +acclaimed his prophethood, each in its own language, and +each bearing one of his miracles. + Now it would require a voluminous work to mention all +his miracles. As the punctilious scholars have written +many volumes concerning the proofs of His prophethood, +here we will briefly point out only the general category +into which fall fhe miracles that are definite and accepted +as accurate reports. + The evidences of the prophethood of Muhammad +(SAW) fall into two main categories: + + The first is called irhasat and includes the paranormal +events that happened at the time of his birth, or before his +declaration of prophethood. + + The second group pertains to all the remaining evidences +of the prophethood, and contains two subdivisions: + + 1) Those wonders that were manifested after +his departure from this world in order to confirm his +prophethood, and + 2) Those that he exhibited during the era +of his prophethood. The latter has also two parts: + 2.1) The evidences of his prophethood that became manifest +in his own personality, his inner and outer being, his moral +conduct and perfection, and + 2.2) The miracles that: related to substantial matters. +The last part again has two branches: + 2.2.1) Those concerning the Qur'an and spirituality, and + 2.2.2) Those relating to matter and creation. This last +branch is again divided into two categories: + 2.2.2.1) The first involves the paranormal happenings +that occured during his mission either to break the +stubbornness of the unbelievers, or to augment the +faith of the belivers. This category has twenty different +sorts, such as the splitting of the moon, the flowing of +water from the fingers, the satisfying of large numbers with +a little food, and the speaking of trees, rocks and animals +Each of these sons has also many instances, and thus +has, in meaning, the strength of confirmation by +consensus. + 2.2.2.2) As for the second category, this +includes events lying in the future that occured as he had +predicted upon Allah (SWT)'s instructions. Now starting +from the last category, we will summarize a list of them.(1) + +(1) Unfonunately, I could not write as I had intended +without choice, I wrote as my head dictated, and I could +not completely conform to the order of this classification. +",19 +" + My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically + known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked + that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't + set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code + and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew + 'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'. + +Good grief. And I thought the Shuttle software was known for being +well-engineered. If this is actually the case, every member of the +programming team should be taken out and shot. + +(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in +maturity, I strongly doubt that this is the case).",14 +"I believe that Rusty Staub was also a jewish ball-player +Also, Mordaci Brown back in the early 20th century. He was a pitcher whose +nickname was ""3 fingers"" Brown....for obvious reasons....he had 3 fingers. +",9 +" +Reflex sympathetic dystrophy. I'm sure there's an FAQ, as I have +made at least 10 answers to questions on it in the last year or so. +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +"You can add Steve Rosenberg, one-time White Sox reliever now in the Mets +system, to the list.",9 +" +Nevertheless, DWI is F*ckin serious. Hope you've got some +brains now.",8 +"In the May issue of C't Magazine was an article about upgrading 040 models +of apple. They simply change crystals and add a fan. +Hammerhead: Centris 610 was able to work with 25 MHz (cooler prefered) + and for 1000 DM you get an 68040 (33MHz) which works with the + appropriate crystal at full speed. (extra cooling required) + Centris 650 like Quadra 700 with extra cooling 33MHz works on + most machines and for real power enthusiasts they used a + Quadra 950 at 40 MHz wow! But for better description you should + get this issue of C't (a german PC magazine!) + +Christian Bauer",4 +" +I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows. +A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the +24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers, +I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later +versions that I'm unaware of... + + ",2 +"YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE +PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!! +",0 +"Second Wave makes NuBus card cages that work on the PDS slots of at +least three Macs: the SE/30, IIsi and Centris 610. They have not, to +my knowledge, announced such a device for the LCII, but they could +make one, technologically. + +The PDS card that goes to the cage simply needs the NuBus controller +circuitry present on NuBus Macs. + +Why, though, does anyone care about this? dgr has a three-PDS +adapter for the LC/LCII. They will soon have one for the LCIII. PDS +is better than NuBus for most people in most applications. Granted, +there are more NuBus cards. But, most applications that require a +NuBus card (like full-motion video capture) shouldn't be done on an +LC/LCII/LCIII anyway.",4 +" + + +I once thought it would be easiest fitting a sine to the times. But not. +This gave discrepancy of upto six minutes. If you fit a sine series +you'll get a very good fit after just three or four terms though. This +presumably has to do with the eccentricity of the Earths orbit. +",14 +" +and bill james is not? yeah. sure. do you own ""the bill james players +rating book""?",9 +" + + + +(How is 0-40 twice 1.25? Do you just pick whatever SCSI setup that makes +the statment ""correct""?) +Even if you could make such a statement it would be meaningless unless +you understood that ESDI and IDE (I include SCSI and ATA) are +completely different (ESDI is device-level, like MFM/RLL). + + + +Great, you can compare two numbers (ATA has several speed modes, by the +way) but what the article said was misleading/wrong. + + +I would recommend people call the NCR board and download the ANSI specs +if they are really interested in this stuff. + + + +Something is missing there. :) Anyway, I agree. There's a lot of +opportunity for marketing jingo like ""SCSI-2 compliant"" which tells +you nothing about the performance, whether it has ""WIDE"" support, etc. +",3 +"It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM. +Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2 +liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would +cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck). +What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to +time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach, +but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast +as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up +at a stop light. + +Many thanks for any suggestions. + + - les +",7 +"# #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. +# #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. +# #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, +# #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that +# #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general +# #male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for +# #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically +# #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. +# +# Possibly because gay/bi men are less likely to get married? + +Marriage isn't a requirement for a couple staying together. + +# What was the purpose of this post? If it was to show a mindless obsession +# with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent +# hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache. +# +# (a) Get a clue. (b) Get a life. (c) Get out of my face. I'm not in yours. +# +# ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! + +Yes you are. When you and the rest of the homosexual community +pass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to +hire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against +my will, yes, you are in my face. Until homosexuals stop trying +to impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this.",18 +"We have a user that has Word 5.0 and is using symbols such as pi and +other mathematic sysmbols, plus doing fractions, etc. + +The document shows up on the screen with no problems, looks fine. + +When she tries to print it on a IIg the pi changes to an upside down +caret, and several other symbols change to double quotes at bottom of +character, plus some little circles appear between words of the fractions +instead of spaces. + +This happens on a IIg laser printer. Tried it on serveral macs and two +different IIg's. + +Prints fine on an NT and NTX laser printers. + +What's wrong??? + +Thanks for any help in advance, + +Gary + +-- + +*************************************************************************** + +Gary Weis +University Computer Center +400 Hal Greer Boulevard +Huntington, West Virginia 25755-5320 + +Phone: (304) 696-3205 +Fax : (304) 696-3601 + +Internet: Gary@marshall.wvnet.edu +Bitnet : Gary@marshall +UCC Net : Gary",4 +" +This talk about the Phillies winning the NL East is scary. VERY +scary! Don't get me wrong, Im a Phillies fan but as late as last +year they looked helpless. The funny thing was they did have a lot +of injuries in '92 spring training that basically killed their +chances. Of course, don't forget the Dykstra wrist injury in the +first or second game? + +",9 +" +Hell, just save your candle stubs and bring them. Light them up, and +dribble the wax all over the kindling wood and light _that_. Although +I like the belly-button lint / eggshell case idea the best, if you're +feeling particularly industrious some eventful evening. Or you can +do what I did one soggy summer: open the fuel line, drain some onto a +piece of rough or rotten wood, stick that into the middle of the soon-to- +be inferno and CAREFULLY strike a match... As Kurt Vonnegut titled one +of the latter chapters in Cat's Cradle, ""Ah-Whoom!"" + +Works like a charm every time :-) +",8 +" + +I'll put in a vote for the latter. A bike +takes a lot of involvement, and I for one +do not want any accident to be my fault. + +I remember one artical where the reviewer +tried the radio on the bike, not having had +one on any of his. He stated that the bike +tended to go faster when the music was +good. I agree, having felt like this my self, +and this was not a physical imparement, like +drinking, just the emotional lift from music. + +First rule of ecology: There is never only one side-effect. + +Ride Well- +",8 +"Hi, + + I recently bought an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280+. It's a real nice card, +but I'm having very big problems with it. + + The basic problem is that vertical lines are missing from the display +in windows. Something like every other line or so. +Also, when I use a DOS gif viewer, namely vpic 6.0c, in Fahrenheit 1280 +mode, vertical lines are swapped. It's very strange looking. +If it uses VESA standards, however, it works great! only it thinks there's +only 512K on the card. (There's 1MB on there). + + I have contacted Orchid support, and they tried to be helpful, but didn't +have the answer. I don't think the card is the problem, since it works great +on my friend's computer. + + Here is my setup: +Fahrenheit 1280+, 1MB, bios 1.1 +386-25, Opti-chipset2, AMI bios 1990, 5MB ram. +Maxtor 120MB harddrive, (slave) +Maxtor 40Mb harddrive (master) +Panasonic c1381 monitor, +version 4.6 windows drivers. +windows 3.1 +I tried taking all memory managers, etc off, and took all other cards +(besides disk controller) off. + + My friend's setup is 386sx-16, shamrock monitor. + +If anyone has seen anything like this, or can otherwise help, I will be very +greatful. + +Please send e-mail to tdarugar@tartarus.ucsd.edu or + tdarugar@ebon.ucsd.edu",2 +"Just got a ss24X based on its good ratings, but am a little +under-impressed. First, is it's performance in 16.7 mill. supposed +to be comparable to a Trident 8900 (or other unaccelerated VGA)? I +came up with only OK performance on WinSpeed. In 256, it was between +good and great. Second, does anyone know where to get that JPG viewer +""for the SS24X"". I saw it on cica or something. Does it work better. + +Thanks for any help. + +Greg + +",2 +" +Just a question. +As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee +intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes +with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition +for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) + +Friendly greetings, + Germano Caronni",11 +"%I say buy out Henderson's contract and let him go bag groceries. Next +%season, you'll be able to sign him for nothing. That goes for any bitching +%ball player.",9 +" +Not quite correct. Biblical teaching expects us to celebrate the +resurrection of Christ not once a year but every time someone is baptized. + Col. 2:12-Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him +through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the +dead."" Rom. 6:4-Therefore we are buried with him in baptism into death: +that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the +Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."" +Those really want to celebrate the resurrection should by faith walk in +newness of life after baptism. It is not necessary to celebrate a pagan +goddess in the process. + +Paul answered your question in Romans 9. In v. 4 he stated that the +adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of +God, and the promises were given to the Israelites. It is a package deal. + He goes on to identify those who are true Israelites. Vs 6-8 makes it +plain that the true Israelites are not those who are born that way but +those who accept the promise of God. Paul continued to emphasize that he +was an Israelite in 2 Cor. 11:22, then in Gal 3:29 he says that all those +who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed, and heirs to all the promises +given to the Israelites. The promises come with the law. It is all or +nothing. Why is it that you only want to discard one part of the law? +Certainly you would want your husband to be faithful to you. Or do you +believe that adultery is no longer forbidden? Same law. + +BTW please give a reference for your statement that the Gentiles are only +required to observe the basis commandmants. Could you list those +please. Acts 15 deals with circumcision and the law of Moses which was +added because of transgression of God's eternal law (Gal 3:19; Rom 4:15)",15 +" + +Up to 60 microamperes = on hook + +Over something like 10 mA = off hook + +In between = defective line, and the phone company comes looking + for leaky insulation. + + +",12 +" + Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this +kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor +will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt +in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. + + Surely the hypothesis relying on the least wild assumptions is +to take this at face value. Our lads at the fort were asked to cook up +something that's pretty secure, with a key that can be escrowed neatly, +and they did. The government plans to sell this thing, for the reasons +they state. Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some +effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in +the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, and you're +gonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn't want to listen to your phone +calls, and if they do, and if you're using triple-DES, they'll just +get a parabolic microphone and point it at your head. + + This is pretty clearly an effort by the government to do exactly +what they're saying they're doing. As is typical with governments, +it's mismanaged, and full of holes and compromises. As is typical +with our government, it's not too bad, could be worse. + + My interpretation. + + Andrew + + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^",11 +"I built it on a rs6000 (my only Motif machine) works fine. I added some objects +into dogfight so I could get used to flying. This was very easy. +All in all Cool!. +Brian +",1 +" + + +I hope you realize how trivial it is to manufacture these compounds. Given +about $10k in lab equipment and chemicals (which are commercially available) +and given the knowledge that I have (graduating BS, Ch, 1993) I could +synthesize enough of these compounds to make a serious dent in the population +of several major US cities. As also noted, the knowledge is there for +the production of nuclear weapons. It's not even that restricted. The +only thing is the expense. + +Now I'm not going around making these things, but it's not 'cause of any +law; I simply don't get any marginal benefit out of killing anyone. Any +law you enact in this respect is only going to give you the ability to +add a charge against someone who does make and use said weapons. In the +case of chemical agents, I seriously doubt that you would even know that +someone had set up a lab until after the weapons had been used. + +Part of the trouble with the chemical-weapons ban treaty between the US +and the USSR is that many of the precursors to chemical weapons such as +GB and Sarin, etc., is that they have very valid commercial uses, and +it is very easy to divert those precursors to chemical weapons manufacture +without anyone knowing about it. + + +",16 +" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +Wow! I knew Uranus is a long way off, but I didn't think it was THAT far away! +",14 +"I just thought I'd share a nice experience before my exam today. +I was walking down the streets on our campus, and a beggar came up and asked +me for any spare change I might have. I had a dollar or so that I gave her, +and - not wanting to give away all my money to strangers (I generally give +a dollar as that will buy a little food at McDonalds or something) - I offered +her some ""spiritual gifts,"" as I called them, rather than gifts of money. +I talked of how great I felt that God had made such a pretty day, and how +nice it was to give to people - she then said she was getting married soon. +She talked about how she and her husband had very little (they may not have +even had a house, for all I know), but that they felt a very special love in +the Lord, an unselfish kind of caring. It warmed my heart to know that 2 +people can have so little monetarily, and realize that spiritually they are +indeed very rich. A good lesson for all of us who say we want more, more, +more; what we really need cannot be counted, or sold, or bought.",15 +"Does anyone out there have the shorthanded goal totals of the NHL players +for this season? We're trying to finish our rotisserie stats and need SHG +to make it complete. + +",10 +,7 +" + +But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips +you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at +200 MHz. + + + +But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version, +making it ""comparable"" to a 486DX2-80 + + +I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock +cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the +Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction +is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any +intelligent memory subsystem. + +Cheers, + + / h+ +-- + -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --",4 +"Has anyone ever heard of FET-TRONS (or is it FETRONS, FETTRONS, ...). +These were FET replacement modules for vacuum tubes. I'm looking for +applications where they were used. ",12 +"Hi, + + I have a Quantum ProDrive LPS 40 MB SCSI hard drive for sale. + It came with my MacIIsi and was replaced by a larger hard drive. + In great working condition. Fast and quiet. Never had a problem. + + Asking $100+COD shipping or reasonable offer. + + Also for sale with the drive: + + Brand new mounting bracket for MacII or MacSE. It also includes + SCSI data and power cable. $10 with the HD. + + Please reply with email or call (217)337-5710 and leave message. + + Thanks. + +Ding-Kai Chen +dcg6759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu",6 +"[Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated] +If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE come from? + +SCSI is not complex. It is just the way the industry uses and talks about it. +There are THREE key differences in SCSI; the controller chip, the port, and +the software. THAT IS IT. +Let us look as SCSi in from THIS stand point. + +SCSI-1: asynchronous and synchronous modes {SOFTWARE SCSI DRIVER ONLY} + asynchronous is slower then synchronous mode {only 0-3MB/s vs. 0-5MB/s} + synchronous speeds can be reached by most SCSi-1 divices with a + rewrite of the software driver {As is the case for the Mac Quadra.} + +SCSI-2 {8-bit}: THIS is the main source for the confusion. This differs from + SCSI-1 ONLY in the controler chip in most machines. In the Mac and some PCs + this is called 'fast SCSI-1' because it uses SCSI-1 ports and software drivers + AND can produce SCSI-2 SPEEDS through SCSI-1 INSPITE of this even in the + slower asynchronous mode. Average speed in asynchronous SCSi-1 mode + 4-6MB/s with 8MB/s{See in both Quadras and higher end PCs} Synchronous + mode just allows a higher burst rate {10/MB/s} + +SCSI-2 {16-bit}: TWO versions-Wide/Fast. Wide SCSI-2 requires TWO things + over 8-bit SCSI-2: a SCSI-2 software driver and a wide SCSI port on the + machine and the external device. + Fast SCSI-2 also requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: SCSI-2 driver + software and that the RECIEVING devise support 16-bit fast SCSI-2. + Speed of both is the same: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst. + +SCSI-2 {32-bit}: Also know as Wide AND Fast SCSI. Over 8-bit SCSI-2 this + requires: SCSI-2 driver software, wide SCSI-2 port, and that the RECIEVING + devices ALSO have a 32-bit mode SCSI-2 chip. As expected this is VERY + expencive. Speed: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s bursts + ",3 +"Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might +enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the +date indicated. They are largely out of order. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +June 11, 1992 +tedward@cs.cornell.edu (ME!) + + +You all know how things turned out. The Orioles, Red Sox, and Yankees +all disappeared. The Jays and Tigers continued at essentially the +expected pace. The Brewers and Indians cranked in the second half. + +The Rangers predictably took a dive. That shouldn't have surprised +anybody. Meanwhile, as predicted, the Mariners dropped behind the +Angels and Royals. They clearly didn't deserve the 22-33 record in +June. The White Sox and A's upped their game a bit, while the Twins +dropped off a little. But for the most part things were as expected. + +Okay, so there were a few blatant errors. But for a predictive +calculation, I thought this did pretty well. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +From CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu Tue Mar 31 16:36:34 1992 + +Hm. Pete Smith made the rotation instead of Mercker. And Bielecki +wasn't released until the end of the year. I won't comment on the +bullpen. (Jeff Reardon??? :-) + + +Right on Blauser. Wrong on Bream and Mitchell. A bit early on +Lonnie, as with Bielecki. Didn't pick Sanders. (Did anybody? :-) + + +Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to +stick, it seems). +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +From mattel.Auto-trol.COM!mattel@auto-trol.com Tue Mar 31 17:04:22 1992 + +Nope! They won the division, and so kept him for a shot at the +playoffs. + + +:-) Well, they didn't finish last. + + +Got that one right. + + +Nope. + + +I guess this is why you picked the Mets to win, huh? + + +Tsk Tsk. Not nice to predict something like this. + + +You got that right! + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +And my response... + + +Okay, so the Mets finished fifth. But I got the Pirates and Expos +right! + + +First half? Dead on! Second half? Ummm.... I'm a Sox fan, go easy +on me! + + +So I got my predictions for Gooden and Saberhagen reversed. :-) I +was at least *close*, and was right about Jefferies. (Though I don't +know. HAS WFAN criticized the Jefferies trade?) + + +Close. No cigar. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +Some predictions need no introduction! + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +Sometimes us statheads get lucky. Grace *didn't* hit behind Dawson +the entire season, but he also finished with only 79 RBIs. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +Nope. He slowed down, and the injury finished him off. Didn't +even reach 50. But a ballsy prediction, nonetheless. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +From ECAXRON@MARS.LERC.NASA.GOV Thu May 21 16:42:21 1992 + +The Orioles finished seven games out. None of them won 20 (though +Mussina might have had a chance, with better relief and more starts). + + +Except for the Brewers (who you probably forgot), you were right! The +rest of the division was thoroughly mediocre. The Yankees and Indians +""led"" with 76 wins, the Red Sox ""trailed"" with 73 wins. None were +horrible, but four were five or more games below .500. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson) +Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1992 15:47:30 GMT + + +You win! + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +From king@cogsci.UCSD.EDU Thu Nov 14 14:33:45 1991 + +You were right! + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +From stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu Fri Sep 13 01:15:52 1991 + +He had 211 IP, but didn't win the Cy Young. Maddux surprised all. + + +I don't think I want to wait that long. But they won 89 games last +year, and they were fifth in the league in ERA. Not a bad start. + + +Looks like it. He wasn't bad last year, just too consistent to be an +ace. So far this year looks like more of the same. + + +I honestly can't say. Did they get rid of him? Their BB totals were +down last year. + + +I just don't think he's that good.... + + +:-) So far, so good. I'm *definitely* not waiting to check this one. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +From panix!spira@cmcl2.NYU.EDU Fri Sep 13 12:38:08 1991 + +Current plans seem to be to use Quantrill in long relief. He has a +rubber arm and unusual delivery. He might be decent in that role. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +From lyle@ecn.purdue.edu Sat Sep 14 01:51:28 1991 + +Wrong on all of the above. (Hal Morris????) + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +And my favorites! + +From tedward Sun Oct 20 23:52:57 1991 + +Belle hit 34 HR last year, walking 52 times (but five of those were +intentional!). Okay, so I exaggerate. But I *might* have been right. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +From trn@strdev.jhuapl.edu Tue Mar 31 15:25:28 1992 + +How much did Cal sign for? When did he sign? If I remember +correctly, he got a rather hefty contract despite a weak season. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +And finally.... + +From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991 + +Snyder is still in SF. Acker is gone?? + + +They aren't in the majors. + + +Never heard of him. + + +I don't *think* they are in the majors. + + +Dunno what happened to him. + + +If he's still around, he's stuck in the minors. + + +Hm. With Raines out, Bo looks to get a lot of PT. + + +:-) + + +Hm. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------",9 +" +For me, it would be an obvious choice: Armed self-defence is clearly +and strongly protected by the Colorado Constitution and the laws +of the state. In the very clear-cut situation of your hypothetical, +I wouldn't have anything to fear from the police (unless I had been +publicly carrying the weapon concealed, something I'm not in +the habit of doing... Even then, the worst I'd have to deal with +was a class 2 misdemeanor.) Even if the situation were not so +clear, and I might have to worry about arrest for manslaughter or +homicide, it would still be safer to wait for the police. If +I were to leave and try to avoid police involvement, I'd be committing +several felonies and ruining my chances of claiming self-defence +in court (""If it really was self-defence,"" the prosecuter would +ask, ""why did you run away and hide from the police?"") + +In other states, however, this decision might not be so clear-cut: +If someone in, say, Washington D.C. were to use a gun in self-defence +he would _automatically_ be guilty of several felony violations of +that city's gun control laws. Such a person's choices would be +between certain conviction for a couple of felonies versus possible +conviction for half a dozen. ",16 +" + Uh oh... + Umm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve +modifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c. + All of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have +been successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new +ways to ""crack"" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact +is, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or +less difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked. + I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not +impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good +one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying +to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, +assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, +legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of +files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy +protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for +practical applications, and are merely curious? + Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I +can. + + Incidentally, the ""Uh oh..."" at the top is indicative of the dread +anyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels +when they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with +dangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it +(from one side or the other.)",12 +" + +Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of collection +effectively makes it a tax. + + + +Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they +don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush ""selfish Bastard"" ecconomy +has done to the country. + +Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselves, +thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the +ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle +class. +",18 +" +Yeah. Innocents. People who hoard $250K worth of high-caliber automatic weapons +and kill law-enforcement agents really fit the bill here. The only innocents +were the 20+ children who were prevented from leaving a burning building by +their self-appointed messiah-following parents. A burning STARTED by the +Davidians. + + + +Is this subject line a veiled threat against U.S. Government agents or possibly +Executive office leadership (i.e. Clinton)? I've considered you a bit of a loon, +before, Stephen, I guess this pretty much confirms it. + +Nice religion you have there. The only ones who should be killed are those who +don't agree with us. Sheesh. + + +-- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt I'm a diehard Saints fan, so i've thyat@sdf.lonestar.org suffered quite enough, thank you! Arlington, TX Help! I'm being repressed! -M.Python ------------------------------- +",19 +" + +If there are many as..., er, people in the USA who reason like the +above, then it should not be surprising that the current plot has been +allowed to happen... + +Regards, +Vesselin",11 +"One presumes the system could work as follows: + +a) Blank clips are manufactured by Mykotronx and VLSI. The number +produced is carefully audited and they are shipped to the first +escrow house. + +It programs the chips with its half the key, and prints out a paper slip +with the key half and non-secret chip serial number. The reams of paper +are filed in locked boxes in the vault, a fuse is burnt in the chip so +that the key is now unreadable. + +The chip then goes to the next escrow house, where the same thing is +done. This continues through N escrow houses, perhaps, could be more than +2. + +The last one provides the chip to the cellular phone maker. + +And yes, this has to be a public key system or it would be almost +impossible to handle. It might not be RSA, but that does not mean +that PKP doesn't get paid. Until 1997, PKP has the patent on the +general concept of public key encryption, as well as the particular +implementation known as RSA.",11 +" + >>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned + >>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these + >>better printer technologies ... and TT? + > + >There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you + >have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is + >a waste of system resources. + > + + -----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use + Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting + TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in + the first place. + +Unless you `print' to file with the correct resolution set for the +final output device (image setter). A problem with TT fonts in Windows +is that they do get converted to T1 format OK, and the hinting is even used +while this is done, but the resulting T1 fonts are NOT hinted. The result +is that they WILL work fine on a device of the resolution assumed by the +printer driver when the PS file is generated, but they will not look +good when printed at a different resolution. ",2 +"Experiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card + +Several problems: + +1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB + of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED + with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K + colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB + VRAM. + +2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations: + + a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an + Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often + remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to + be. + + b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the + display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you + shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK). + +3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development + Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger + icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the + debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed + to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The + Turbo Debugger display is all garbled. + + Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen + is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter + ""R"". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it + does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn't have to do this. + + The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive + behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with + Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles + the VGA mode. + + The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use + another monitor in place of my usual one. + +I still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be +remedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty). +",3 +" + Geez wharfie, do you have to be so difficult? Mine was built in December +'88, + which qualifies as pretty dang early, and it most certainly grinds away.",7 +" +: medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous + +: : firmly on the western coast of the Med. You can bet IUm gonna keep this +: baby + +: >My my my, such double standards. You neglected to give any primary sources +: >for your book, _Encyclopedia of the Bible_. Are we to expect that source +: >to be as unbiased as the other sources... MR. Butler *DID* give at least +: >one source, you have given none. + +: REPLY + +: It was a JOKE. The Readers digest _Encyclopedia of the Bible_ was the most +: outrageously bogus *authority* I could dredge from my shelves. +: I was trying to point out that going to some encyclopedia, rather than +: original or scholarly sources is a BIG MISTAKE in procedure. I am glad +: to note that Butler and DeCesno are arguing about substance now, +: rather than about arguing. + +I guess the joke was on me... I am so used to seeing bogus stuff +posted here that I assumed that yours was necessarily the same. +",19 +" +<. . .. + +: The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites +: take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except +: for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about +: Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that +: the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered +: me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I +: shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of ""ethnic cleansing"" in +: Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims. +: Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians +: who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing +: God's work? + +Perhaps it would be useful to ask whether those doing the ethnic +cleansing could be said to be loving those they are killing in the very +act of killing. Does it reflect the attitude of God, who sends rain to +both the just and the unjust? If not, then Christians should be +uncomfortable with it. Jesus gave his followers the law of love to +follow and it is by exhibiting this that disciples will be known. +Doctrinal (or political) correctness is not the standard, so I don't see +why Christians should be moved against the Serbs because their ancestors +converted from Christianity to Islam. It seems to me that as a +Christian you _should_ be troubled by the ethnic cleansing. +-- +",15 +" + + + +Omigod, it's an operationalist! Sorry, Jim, but the idea that a theory +explaining a myriad of distinctly different observations is merely a +""model"" is more than sensible people can accept -- your phobia about +objective reality notwithstanding. +-- +Mark Pundurs",19 +" +Fred Rice answered this already in an early posting: +""The problem with your argument is that you do not _know_ who is a _real_ +believer and who may be ""faking it"". This is something known only by +the person him/herself (and God). Your assumption that anyone who +_claims_ to be a ""believer"" _is_ a ""believer"" is not necessarily true."" + +In other words it seems that nobody could define who is a true and +false Muslim. We are back to square one, Khomeini and Hussein are +still innocent and can't be defined as evil or good Islamic +worshippers. + +Cheers, +Kent +",0 +" + +(Pleading mode on) + +Please! I'm begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop +making generalizations! I'm a Protestant! I'm an evangelical! I don't +believe that my way is the only way! I'm not a ""creation scientist""! I +don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! + +If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling +out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you +compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern +Baptists, you would think that they were different religions! + +Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the +same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals! + +(Pleading mode off.) + +God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories......",19 +" +DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players +are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. + +My Possible-NHL(European league)-site list: +Switzerland : Berne, Zurich (Lugano and 1-2 others) +Germany : Dusseldorf, Cologne, Berlin, Munich (Mannheim, Rosenheim) +Sweden : Stockholm, Gothenburg (Malmo, Gavle) +Finland : Helsinki (Turku, Tampere) +Italy : Milan +France : Paris (Chamonix, Ruoen?) +Norway : (Oslo) +Austria : (Vienna, Villach) +Chech : (Prag) +Slovakia : (Bratislava) +Russia : (Moscow, St. Petersburg) +Great Britain: ? +Netherlands : ? ",10 +"The San Francisco Examiner reports that Clinton has issued instructions +to federal law enforcement that they may not kill or injure anyone to +resolve the Waco situation. So they've built a fence around the compound, +and are now seriously considering building up the fence to prison-camp +levels, pulling out most of the manpower, and waiting however many months +it takes.",16 +" +It doesn't make a whole lot of difference, actually, since they weren't +building spares of the station hardware anyway. (Dumb.) At least this +is only one launch to fail.",14 +" +Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems +the driver's license process does not work for this. + + +Because you wanted one while you were underage. + + +Only on public roads. + + +Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my +property. + + +Only on public roads. + + +Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-) + + +Jim + +-- +jmd@handheld.com",16 +" + + +You might be sure, but you would also be wrong. +",19 +"I got a number of requests for code. +So, here it is. +Its written in 80x86 ASM. +Borland TASM will do. + +TASM LGA.ASM +TLINK /t LGA.ASM + + +The code: + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; LGA ncryption +; (C) by Nick Nassuphis +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- + +CODE SEGMENT + ASSUME CS:CODE, DS:CODE + + ORG 100h + +Start: + JMP Begin + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; Gas particle assigment: +; +; BIT 0 particle moving EAST +; BIT 1 particle moving WEST +; BIT 2 particle moving NORTH +; BIT 3 particle moving SOUTH +; +; BIT 4 particle moving EAST +; BIT 5 particle moving WEST +; BIT 6 particle moving NORTH +; BIT 7 particle moving SOUTH +; +; +; Collisiong Rules: +; +; 1. Gas Rules +; +; IF (E & W) AND !(N & S) THEN (E,W)->(N,S) +; IF (N & S) AND !(E & W) THEN (N,S)->(E,W) +; +; for nibbles: +; +; 1100 -> 0011 +; 0011 -> 0011 +; +; and for bytes: +; +; 11000000 -> 00110000 +; 00110000 -> 11000000 +; 00001100 -> 00000011 +; 00000011 -> 00001100 +; 00110011 -> 11001100 +; 00111100 -> 11000011 +; 11000011 -> 00111100 +; 11001100 -> 00110011 +; +; +; 2. Reflection Rules +; +; just swap bits along directions +; +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- + +; +; This look-up table implements two particle collisions +; for the HPP lattice gas +; +HPPRule: +DB 00000000B ;00000000 +DB 00000001B ;00000001 +DB 00000010B ;00000010 +DB 00001100B ;00000011 +DB 00000100B ;00000100 +DB 00000101B ;00000101 +DB 00000110B ;00000110 +DB 00000111B ;00000111 +DB 00001000B ;00001000 +DB 00001001B ;00001001 +DB 00001010B ;00001010 +DB 00001011B ;00001011 +DB 00000011B ;00001100 +DB 00001101B ;00001101 +DB 00001110B ;00001110 +DB 00001111B ;00001111 +DB 00010000B ;00010000 +DB 00010001B ;00010001 +DB 00010010B ;00010010 +DB 00011100B ;00010011 +DB 00010100B ;00010100 +DB 00010101B ;00010101 +DB 00010110B ;00010110 +DB 00010111B ;00010111 +DB 00011000B ;00011000 +DB 00011001B ;00011001 +DB 00011010B ;00011010 +DB 00011011B ;00011011 +DB 00010011B ;00011100 +DB 00011101B ;00011101 +DB 00011110B ;00011110 +DB 00011111B ;00011111 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;10011100 +DB 10011101B ;10011101 +DB 10011110B ;10011110 +DB 10011111B ;10011111 +DB 10100000B ;10100000 +DB 10100001B ;10100001 +DB 10100010B ;10100010 +DB 10101100B ;10100011 +DB 10100100B ;10100100 +DB 10100101B ;10100101 +DB 10100110B ;10100110 +DB 10100111B ;10100111 +DB 10101000B ;10101000 +DB 10101001B ;10101001 +DB 10101010B ;10101010 +DB 10101011B ;10101011 +DB 10100011B ;10101100 +DB 10101101B ;10101101 +DB 10101110B ;10101110 +DB 10101111B ;10101111 +DB 10110000B ;10110000 +DB 10110001B ;10110001 +DB 10110010B ;10110010 +DB 10111100B ;10110011 +DB 10110100B ;10110100 +DB 10110101B ;10110101 +DB 10110110B ;10110110 +DB 10110111B ;10110111 +DB 10111000B ;10111000 +DB 10111001B ;10111001 +DB 10111010B ;10111010 +DB 10111011B ;10111011 +DB 10110011B ;10111100 +DB 10111101B ;10111101 +DB 10111110B ;10111110 +DB 10111111B ;10111111 +DB 00110000B ;11000000 +DB 00110001B ;11000001 +DB 00110010B ;11000010 +DB 00111100B ;11000011 +DB 00110100B ;11000100 +DB 00110101B ;11000101 +DB 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;11101111 +DB 11110000B ;11110000 +DB 11110001B ;11110001 +DB 11110010B ;11110010 +DB 11111100B ;11110011 +DB 11110100B ;11110100 +DB 11110101B ;11110101 +DB 11110110B ;11110110 +DB 11110111B ;11110111 +DB 11111000B ;11111000 +DB 11111001B ;11111001 +DB 11111010B ;11111010 +DB 11111011B ;11111011 +DB 11110011B ;11111100 +DB 11111101B ;11111101 +DB 11111110B ;11111110 +DB 11111111B ;11111111 + +; +; This rule implements the velocity-reversal needed to +; run the gas evolution in reverse. Its called a WallRule +; because its the same as is all particles hit a wall +; head on. +; +WallRule: +DB 00000000B ;00000000 +DB 00000010B ;00000001 +DB 00000001B ;00000010 +DB 00001100B ;00000011 +DB 00001000B ;00000100 +DB 00001010B ;00000101 +DB 00001001B ;00000110 +DB 00001011B ;00000111 +DB 00000100B ;00001000 +DB 00000110B ;00001001 +DB 00000101B ;00001010 +DB 00000111B ;00001011 +DB 00000011B ;00001100 +DB 00001110B ;00001101 +DB 00001101B ;00001110 +DB 00001111B ;00001111 +DB 00100000B ;00010000 +DB 00100010B ;00010001 +DB 00100001B ;00010010 +DB 00101100B ;00010011 +DB 00101000B ;00010100 +DB 00101010B ;00010101 +DB 00101001B ;00010110 +DB 00101011B ;00010111 +DB 00100100B ;00011000 +DB 00100110B ;00011001 +DB 00100101B ;00011010 +DB 00100111B ;00011011 +DB 00100011B ;00011100 +DB 00101110B ;00011101 +DB 00101101B ;00011110 +DB 00101111B ;00011111 +DB 00010000B ;00100000 +DB 00010010B ;00100001 +DB 00010001B ;00100010 +DB 00011100B ;00100011 +DB 00011000B ;00100100 +DB 00011010B ;00100101 +DB 00011001B ;00100110 +DB 00011011B ;00100111 +DB 00010100B ;00101000 +DB 00010110B ;00101001 +DB 00010101B ;00101010 +DB 00010111B ;00101011 +DB 00010011B ;00101100 +DB 00011110B ;00101101 +DB 00011101B ;00101110 +DB 00011111B ;00101111 +DB 11000000B ;00110000 +DB 11000010B ;00110001 +DB 11000001B ;00110010 +DB 11001100B ;00110011 +DB 11001000B ;00110100 +DB 11001010B ;00110101 +DB 11001001B ;00110110 +DB 11001011B ;00110111 +DB 11000100B ;00111000 +DB 11000110B ;00111001 +DB 11000101B ;00111010 +DB 11000111B ;00111011 +DB 11000011B ;00111100 +DB 11001110B ;00111101 +DB 11001101B ;00111110 +DB 11001111B ;00111111 +DB 10000000B ;01000000 +DB 10000010B ;01000001 +DB 10000001B ;01000010 +DB 10001100B ;01000011 +DB 10001000B ;01000100 +DB 10001010B ;01000101 +DB 10001001B ;01000110 +DB 10001011B ;01000111 +DB 10000100B ;01001000 +DB 10000110B ;01001001 +DB 10000101B ;01001010 +DB 10000111B ;01001011 +DB 10000011B ;01001100 +DB 10001110B ;01001101 +DB 10001101B ;01001110 +DB 10001111B ;01001111 +DB 10100000B ;01010000 +DB 10100010B ;01010001 +DB 10100001B ;01010010 +DB 10101100B ;01010011 +DB 10101000B ;01010100 +DB 10101010B ;01010101 +DB 10101001B ;01010110 +DB 10101011B ;01010111 +DB 10100100B ;01011000 +DB 10100110B ;01011001 +DB 10100101B ;01011010 +DB 10100111B ;01011011 +DB 10100011B ;01011100 +DB 10101110B ;01011101 +DB 10101101B ;01011110 +DB 10101111B ;01011111 +DB 10010000B ;01100000 +DB 10010010B ;01100001 +DB 10010001B ;01100010 +DB 10011100B ;01100011 +DB 10011000B ;01100100 +DB 10011010B ;01100101 +DB 10011001B ;01100110 +DB 10011011B ;01100111 +DB 10010100B ;01101000 +DB 10010110B ;01101001 +DB 10010101B ;01101010 +DB 10010111B ;01101011 +DB 10010011B ;01101100 +DB 10011110B ;01101101 +DB 10011101B ;01101110 +DB 10011111B ;01101111 +DB 10110000B ;01110000 +DB 10110010B ;01110001 +DB 10110001B ;01110010 +DB 10111100B ;01110011 +DB 10111000B ;01110100 +DB 10111010B ;01110101 +DB 10111001B ;01110110 +DB 10111011B ;01110111 +DB 10110100B ;01111000 +DB 10110110B ;01111001 +DB 10110101B ;01111010 +DB 10110111B ;01111011 +DB 10110011B ;01111100 +DB 10111110B ;01111101 +DB 10111101B ;01111110 +DB 10111111B ;01111111 +DB 01000000B ;10000000 +DB 01000010B ;10000001 +DB 01000001B ;10000010 +DB 01001100B ;10000011 +DB 01001000B ;10000100 +DB 01001010B ;10000101 +DB 01001001B ;10000110 +DB 01001011B ;10000111 +DB 01000100B ;10001000 +DB 01000110B ;10001001 +DB 01000101B ;10001010 +DB 01000111B ;10001011 +DB 01000011B ;10001100 +DB 01001110B ;10001101 +DB 01001101B ;10001110 +DB 01001111B ;10001111 +DB 01100000B ;10010000 +DB 01100010B ;10010001 +DB 01100001B ;10010010 +DB 01101100B ;10010011 +DB 01101000B ;10010100 +DB 01101010B ;10010101 +DB 01101001B ;10010110 +DB 01101011B ;10010111 +DB 01100100B ;10011000 +DB 01100110B ;10011001 +DB 01100101B ;10011010 +DB 01100111B ;10011011 +DB 01100011B ;10011100 +DB 01101110B ;10011101 +DB 01101101B ;10011110 +DB 01101111B ;10011111 +DB 01010000B ;10100000 +DB 01010010B ;10100001 +DB 01010001B ;10100010 +DB 01011100B ;10100011 +DB 01011000B ;10100100 +DB 01011010B ;10100101 +DB 01011001B ;10100110 +DB 01011011B ;10100111 +DB 01010100B ;10101000 +DB 01010110B ;10101001 +DB 01010101B ;10101010 +DB 01010111B ;10101011 +DB 01010011B ;10101100 +DB 01011110B ;10101101 +DB 01011101B ;10101110 +DB 01011111B ;10101111 +DB 01110000B ;10110000 +DB 01110010B ;10110001 +DB 01110001B ;10110010 +DB 01111100B ;10110011 +DB 01111000B ;10110100 +DB 01111010B ;10110101 +DB 01111001B ;10110110 +DB 01111011B ;10110111 +DB 01110100B ;10111000 +DB 01110110B ;10111001 +DB 01110101B ;10111010 +DB 01110111B ;10111011 +DB 01110011B ;10111100 +DB 01111110B ;10111101 +DB 01111101B ;10111110 +DB 01111111B ;10111111 +DB 00110000B ;11000000 +DB 00110010B ;11000001 +DB 00110001B ;11000010 +DB 00111100B ;11000011 +DB 00111000B ;11000100 +DB 00111010B ;11000101 +DB 00111001B ;11000110 +DB 00111011B ;11000111 +DB 00110100B ;11001000 +DB 00110110B ;11001001 +DB 00110101B ;11001010 +DB 00110111B ;11001011 +DB 00110011B ;11001100 +DB 00111110B ;11001101 +DB 00111101B ;11001110 +DB 00111111B ;11001111 +DB 11100000B ;11010000 +DB 11100010B ;11010001 +DB 11100001B ;11010010 +DB 11101100B ;11010011 +DB 11101000B ;11010100 +DB 11101010B ;11010101 +DB 11101001B ;11010110 +DB 11101011B ;11010111 +DB 11100100B ;11011000 +DB 11100110B ;11011001 +DB 11100101B ;11011010 +DB 11100111B ;11011011 +DB 11100011B ;11011100 +DB 11101110B ;11011101 +DB 11101101B ;11011110 +DB 11101111B ;11011111 +DB 11010000B ;11100000 +DB 11010010B ;11100001 +DB 11010001B ;11100010 +DB 11011100B ;11100011 +DB 11011000B ;11100100 +DB 11011010B ;11100101 +DB 11011001B ;11100110 +DB 11011011B ;11100111 +DB 11010100B ;11101000 +DB 11010110B ;11101001 +DB 11010101B ;11101010 +DB 11010111B ;11101011 +DB 11010011B ;11101100 +DB 11011110B ;11101101 +DB 11011101B ;11101110 +DB 11011111B ;11101111 +DB 11110000B ;11110000 +DB 11110010B ;11110001 +DB 11110001B ;11110010 +DB 11111100B ;11110011 +DB 11111000B ;11110100 +DB 11111010B ;11110101 +DB 11111001B ;11110110 +DB 11111011B ;11110111 +DB 11110100B ;11111000 +DB 11110110B ;11111001 +DB 11110101B ;11111010 +DB 11110111B ;11111011 +DB 11110011B ;11111100 +DB 11111110B ;11111101 +DB 11111101B ;11111110 +DB 11111111B ;11111111 + + +MAXBYTE EQU 55 +LINENO EQU 23 + +SrcPtr DW OFFSET Buffer1 +DesPtr DW OFFSET Buffer2 + +SaveBuff: + DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) + +Buffer1: + DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) + DB 256 DUP(0) + +Buffer2: + DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) + DB 256 DUP(0) + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; +; +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Data: +DB "" "" +DB "" "" +DB "" "" +DB "" This is a test for a Lattice Gas based encryption "" +DB "" algorithm. The data is encoded as particles of a "" +DB "" digital gas, whose time evolution is then simulated "" +DB "" with a cellular-automaton type algorithm. Decryption "" +DB "" can be achieved by running the simulation in reverse. "" +DB "" A thermodynamic argument ensures that even if a single"" +DB "" bit is flipped, no decryption of the data is possible "" +DB "" "" +DB "" After the gas is let to evolve for 256 timesteps, "" +DB "" one can either run the reverse evolution by pressing "" +DB "" space, or flip a bit and then run by pressing '0' "" +DB "" "" +DB "" For a cryptographic application, the key would consist"" +DB "" of the number of time steps and the time and location "" +DB "" of specific bit inversions. "" +DB "" "" +DB "" "" +DB "" "" +DB "" "" +DB "" "" + +; +; Fill the gas with a piece of code +; +InitGas: + MOV DI,CS:SrcPtr + MOV SI,OFFSET Data + + MOV CX,LINENO +IG0: + PUSH DI + PUSH CX + MOV CX,MAXBYTE +IG1: + MOV AL,CS:[SI] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI + LOOP IG1 + POP CX + POP DI + ADD DI,MAXBYTE + LOOP IG0 + MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr + MOV DI,OFFSET InitGas + MOV CX,MAXBYTE*3 + MOV AL,0 +LG2: + MOV BYTE PTR CS:[SI],AL + NOT AL + INC SI + LOOP LG2 + RET + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; Display gas molecules bouncing around +; +ShowGas: + PUSH ES + PUSH SI + PUSH DI + PUSH CX + PUSH BX + + MOV AX,0B800h + MOV ES,AX + MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr + MOV DI,160*2+10*2 + MOV CX,LINENO-3 + ADD SI,MAXBYTE*3 +SG1: + PUSH CX + PUSH DI + + MOV CX,MAXBYTE +SG2: + MOV AL,CS:[SI] + MOV BYTE PTR ES:[DI],AL + INC SI + ADD DI,2 + DEC CX + JNZ SG2 + + POP DI + POP CX + ADD DI,160 + LOOP SG1 + + POP BX + POP CX + POP DI + POP SI + POP ES + RET + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data +; CS:DI -> Destination of Data +; +ScanOneMiddleLine: +; +; first byte is a special case because of warparound +; + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI+(MAXBYTE-1)] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI +; +; middle bytes can be handled in a loop +; + MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 +SOL1: + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI + LOOP SOL1 +; +; last byte is also special +; + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI + RET + + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data +; CS:DI -> Destination of Data +; +ScanFirstLine: +; +; first byte is a special case because of warparound +; + MOV BL,0 + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI +; +; middle bytes can be handled in a loop +; + MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 +SFL1: + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI + LOOP SFL1 +; +; last byte is also special +; + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + RET + + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data +; CS:DI -> Destination of Data +; +ScanLastLine: +; +; first byte is a special case because of warparound +; + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI+(MAXBYTE-1)] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI +; +; middle bytes can be handled in a loop +; + MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 +SLL1: + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI + LOOP SLL1 +; +; last byte is also special +; + MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] + AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 + OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte + MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] + AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 + OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL + MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) + AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) + AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 + OR BL,BH + MOV BH,0 + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] + MOV CS:[DI],AL + INC SI + INC DI + RET + + + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; Invert all velocities in the gas +; +InvertAll: + PUSH BX + PUSH CX + PUSH SI + MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr + MOV BX,0 + MOV CX,LINENO +IA1: + PUSH CX + MOV CX,MAXBYTE +IA2: + MOV BL,CS:[SI] + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + (OFFSET WallRule)] + MOV CS:[SI],AL + INC SI + LOOP IA2 + POP CX + LOOP IA1 + POP SI + POP CX + POP BX + RET + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; +IterateOnce: + MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr + MOV DI,CS:DesPtr + MOV CS:SrcPtr,DI + MOV CS:DesPtr,SI + + PUSH SI + PUSH DI + CALL ScanFirstLine + POP DI + POP SI + ADD SI,MAXBYTE + ADD DI,MAXBYTE + MOV CX,LINENO-2 ; dont scan first and last +L1: + PUSH SI + PUSH DI + PUSH CX + CALL ScanOneMiddleLine + POP CX + POP DI + POP SI + ADD SI,MAXBYTE + ADD DI,MAXBYTE + LOOP L1 + + PUSH SI + PUSH DI + CALL ScanLastLine + POP SI + POP DI +L3: + RET + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; Iterate HPP rule CX times +; +Iterate: + PUSH CX + CALL IterateOnce + POP CX + CALL ShowGas + LOOP Iterate + RET + +;---------------------------------------------------------------------- +; +; Iterate HPP rule CX times +; +IterateUntil: + MOV SI,0 + MOV CX,OFFSET IU4 - OFFSET IU3 +IU00: + MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[SI + OFFSET IU3] + XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI + OFFSET IU4],AL + INC SI + LOOP IU00 +IU0: + CALL IterateOnce + CALL ShowGas + MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr + MOV CX,MAXBYTE*3 + MOV BX,0 + MOV AH,0 + MOV AL,255 +IU1: + MOV BL,BYTE PTR CS:[SI] + MOV DL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX+WallRule] + NOT AH + XOR DL,AH + AND AL,DL + INC SI + LOOP IU1 + MOV SI,0 + MOV CX,OFFSET IU4 - OFFSET IU3 +IU2: + MOV AH,BYTE PTR CS:[SI+OFFSET IU4] + AND AH,AL + XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI+OFFSET IU3],AH + INC SI + LOOP IU2 + JMP IU3 +IU3: + MOV AX,OFFSET IU0 + PUSH AX + RET + DB 256 DUP(90h) +IU4: + PUSH AX + PUSH BX + PUSH CX + PUSH DX + PUSH DS + + MOV AH,9 + MOV DX,CS:MsgPtr + INT 21H + + POP DS + POP DX + POP CX + POP BX + POP AX + RET + + DB 512 DUP(90h) + +MsgPtr DW OFFSET Msg +Msg DB ""This message is printed out by"",10,13 + DB ""code decrypted using data from the lattice"",10,13 + DB ""which was applied to the decoding routine"",10,13 + DB ""after every time step"",10,13 + DB ""The decoding function left the code unchanged"",10,13 + DB ""except after the gas evolution had completelly"",10,13 + DB ""reversed the thermalization"",10,13,""$"" + + +TIMES EQU 16 ; 256 repetitions are enough to + ; ""equilibrate"" the gas + +Begin: + MOV AX,0600h + MOV BH,7 + MOV DH,25 + MOV DL,80 + MOV CX,0 + INT 10h + + MOV AH,2 + MOV BH,0 + MOV DH,24 + MOV DL,0 + INT 10h + + CALL InitGas + CALL ShowGas + MOV AH,0 + INT 16h + PUSH CX + MOV CX,TIMES + CALL Iterate + CALL InvertAll + CALL ShowGas + MOV AH,0 + INT 16h + CMP AL,""0"" + JNE Begin0 + MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr + XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI],10000001B +Begin0: + MOV CX,TIMES + CALL IterateUntil + CALL InvertAll + CALL ShowGas + MOV AX,4C00h + INT 21h + ",11 +"Correction: + + |The story I related is one of the seven apparitions + |approved by our Church as worthy of belief. It happened + |in La Salle, France. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +That should be La Salette, France, 1846. +I must admit, geography is not my forte. + + |[...] + + |Once again, the Lamb succeeds.",15 +" +[stuff deleted for brevity] + + +Your very starting point is wrong. Christianity is not based on following +a moral standard. ""For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith... +NOT BY WORKS so that no man may boast."" (Eph. 2:7-8) You say that +you know the Bible well, and can recognize (do you mean recite?) many +passages from memory. That could very well be so. However, it looks like +there are a few more passages that you should pay attention to. (Titus 3:5 +and James 2:10 are among them.) + +Obedience to the moral law is imporant. However, it is supposed to be the +result of turning your life over to Christ and becoming a Christian. It is +by no means the starting point. +",15 +" All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many +others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are +so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks +for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of +ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since +I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could +write. +",17 +"Can someone please remind me who said a well known quotation? + +He was sitting atop a rocket awaiting liftoff and afterwards, in answer to +the question what he had been thinking about, said (approximately) ""half a +million components, each has to work perfectly, each supplied by the lowest +bidder....."" + +Attribution and correction of the quote would be much appreciated. ",14 +"The dead giveaway is the repeated protestations that the new plan is aimed +at ""criminals"", ""drug dealers"", ""terrorists"", etc. You'd think the tactic +would be too obvious to trot out yet again after a decade of Sarah and the +rest of the Brady Bunch using it to destroy the Second Amendment, but evidently +the control nuts feel it will serve them one more time.",11 +"All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year +moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace +development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of +Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. + +If memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally +reimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as +Fokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh +ultimately kept his total costs below that amount. + +But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to +realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. + +Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of +today?",14 +"[ Article crossposted from temple.forsale ] +[ Author was Ray Lauff (ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu) ] +[ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 01:04:27 GMT ] + +Regular CBS/FOX release of the wide screen edition of the movie +The Abyss for sale, asking $30, including postage. I want to +purchase the new director's cut and would like to unload this +LaserDisc if possible. + +Two discs, unopened, 132 minutes, letterbox. + +Email me if interested. + ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu + +Ray + +-- +Ray Lauff | Temple University Computer Services | ray_lauff@astro.temple.edu +",6 +" +I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump +the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. +So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on +hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times +as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas +and liquid comparision of course!",14 +"Hello, I have a motherboard and a case for sale as a package. +Both of them came from a CompuAdd computer I bought last August and am + presently upgrading. +Here are the specs-- + +Motherboard +----------- +Cyrix 486SL 25 MHz microprocessor +Chips and Technology chipset (SCATsx V2.3.6 SLSLC) +8 SIMM banks for a maximum of 32 Megs of RAM +BUILT-IN Floppy and Hard Drive Controllers +BUILT-IN ports--1 Parallel, 2 Serial (9 and 25 pin) +BUILT-IN Paradise SVGA controller with 1 meg of RAM (Windows drivers inc.) + -can do up to 1024x768 @ 256 colors + -based on the Western Digital WD90C31 chip +Math co-processor slot +3 16-bit expansion slots and 2 8-bit expansion slots + +Case +---- +Low-Profile Desktop +Very nice grey color +150 watt power supply +Room for 2 floppies plus HD + +Mouse +----- +3-button +Microsoft-compatible +Grey color matches case + +All original manuals and documentation, video drivers, etc. are included. + +You are probably wondering why I must sell the case with the motherboard. +It is simply because the case is custom-made for this particular board and + you would be hard-pressed to fit another MB in it. However, the case and + this motherboard were made to go together and fit perfectly. + +As you can see, since this board includes drive controllers AND a video + controller, you can save some money by buying this unit and not a MB + where you would need to get IO cards, video card, and drive controllers + Its just a lot more convenient on the whole + +I would like to ask about $500 for this whole package. I think this is a fair + price given the facts that it includes a video card and drive controllers/IO + ports. All you need to do is add drives, a monitor, RAM, and a keyboard. + Also keep in mind that it isn't a generic board, but from CompuAdd. +I also will entertain all serious offers. + +Please email at jmu@acpub.duke.edu + +Thanks",6 +" +I'm not sure it is the fluctuation so much as the estrogen level. +Taking Premarin can certainly cause migraines in some women. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +" +Essential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse +when the patient tries to use the effected member. All limbs, vocal +cords, and head can be involved. Inderal is a beta-blocker and +is usually effective in diminishing the tremor. Alcohol and mysoline +are also effective, but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment. +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +" +[...Dr. England's story deleted, it was a nice read the first time +through...]] + + + It isn't so much a matter of 'interpretation' of Bible texts +that sets Mormonism apart from orthodoxy as it is a matter of +*fabrication*. + + About 20 years ago, _National Lampoon_ had some comic strips +in them that were drawn by Neal Adams. They were called ""Son o' God"" comics. +It was a parody of the Jesus in the Bible. In the comic, there were a +group of thirteen Jewish kids from Brooklyn, and when one of them said +the magic word, he turned into ""Son o' God."" He went from a myopic, +curly headed, yarmulke wearing boy to a replica of the stylizied +portraits of Jesus --- with long flowing brown hair and gentile +features. + + Now, if someone were to profess faith in this NatLamp Jesus, +and claim that they were a Christian because they believed in this +NatLamp Jesus, we would have to say that this was fallacious since +this Jesus was a fabrication, and did not really exist. + + This is the exact same thing that the LDS do when they claim +that they are Christian. They profess faith in Jesus, but the Jesus +that they profess to have faith in is as much a fabrication as the +NatLamp Jesus was. +",19 +"=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One +=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know +=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized +=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, +=however, because that's not written in their little rule book. + +Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is +reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock +in other people. + +Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG. There are a lot of other ingredients +in it. Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't +normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately conclude +that any negative reaction is to the MSG? + +=I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad +=reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting. + +I'd be surprised if some of these reactions weren't due to other ingredients. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL",13 +"We have an old Sun3/60 here which gets occasional use. When X11R5 is started +on it any console messages during startup are undeletable. After X is fully +started we run an xterm as the ""console"" - the problem is that any messages +that arrive before this starts go to the plain console. ""Refresh window"" fails +to remove them. The messages are a real pain since they sit in the middle of +the screen obscuring anything else below them. + +At boot time the 3/60 lists two framebuffers - /dev/cgfour0 and /dev/bwtwo1. +We're running X in color, and I suspect that maybe the offending messages are +on the B/W framebuffer, and thereby not getting deleted. + +My question is: has anyone else seen this, and is there an easy way to get rid +of these messages? + +Please reply by e-mail to hughm@inmos.co.uk. + +Hugh McIntyre. +INMOS Ltd., Bristol, UK. + +(BTW: SunOS 4.0.3, X11R5, mwm).",5 +"Does anyone have some information on the relative fraction of the final +cost of each component in an average hard drive? For instance, I'm pretty +sure the heads and the platters are the most expensive parts, with the +assembly costs running a close third. Cost of the electronics is likely +in the noise. + Any hard numbers ($$ or percentage)? Thanks. + + ++=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ ++=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+",12 +"Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill +Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). +(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 + million Muslim people) + +p. 193. + +""Their [Muslim] villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or + driven out of the country."" + +p. 218. + +""We Armenians did not spare the Tartars. If persisted in, the slaughtering + of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become + commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course. + + I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground, + in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless + and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the + heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands, + and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with + their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."" + + +Serdar Argic",17 +" +How about a group called talk.that.thomas.parsli.approves? +-- +Clinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail) + provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe) + Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online)",16 +"Hi everyone. Just the other day, I ordered a VRAM chip for my new LCIII from +Mac Connection. They sent it overnight (very nice) and I got it installed, +and we found that it didn't work properly. When you put the computer in +thousands mode, the bottom of the screen (using the new chip) is all flickering +and fuzzy. So I called them up and I'm going to return it for a new one. + +My question is, how often does such a thing happen with SIMM chips in general? +Do you often find when ordering chips that a large portion are bad? Is this +a rarity? This is the first chip I've ordered so I have no other experience +in this area. I'm just curious if anyone else has had the same type of +experience. + +That's about it. Please email me, and if people want, I can post a summary. +Thanks all. +-- +Hillel Sims ----- simsh@rpi.edu ----- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute",4 +"Subject line says it all. Thanks in advance. Please email +chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov +Go Cubs! +",9 +"-> +-> > Besides which, we don't *want* Clinton assasinated, because that would make h +-> > a martyr a la JFK. +-> > +-> > It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after +-> > watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down t +-> > toilet. +-> > +-> > Assuming, of course, that the riots a fortnight from now don't do it for him. +-> +-> +-> He'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush +-> did. We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind. +-> +-> +-> We'll see in 4 years. +-> +-> +-> Pope Charles Slack in our time! +-> +-> ?s + + You need to stop watching TV and start reading some history.",18 +": >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its +: >""current directory"". + +: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use +: to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then +: invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file +: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. + +I posted this as well before the cview ""expert"". Apparently, he thought he +knew better.",1 +"And why is this Freeman? Even if a pro-gun person doesn't know what they are +talking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or +two. I am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what I have +to say. I have several good sources of material now that I know where to look +so calm down. + +Ah, Freeman seems to forget from my statement that I am learning. I have also +asked several of the not-so-hostile folks on this group for sources of +information to read. Do you think, Freeman, that maybe this means I am +interested in learning? I think it does because as you said people who don't +know anything won't be good for the pro-gun cause. + +Another good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you Freeman +and accept mistakes. Sure, maybe it could have been some type of +misinformation being slung by some anti-gun nut but it wasn't. I made my +statement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said don't worry +about it but also to learn as much as you can. They accepted my mistake and +gave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible. I have +read several posts of yours and have found them informative. Why don't you +give me the same chance? +",16 +": In my mind, to say that science has its basis in values is a bit of a +: reach. Science has its basis in observable fact. + +I'd say that what one chooses to observe and how the observation is +interpreted and what significance it's given depends a great deal on +the values of the observer. Science is a human activity and as such, +is subject to the same potential for distortion as any other human +activity. The myth that scientists are above moral influence or +ethical concern, that their knowledge can be abstacted whole and pure +from nature untainted by the biases of the scientist, is nonsense. + +Bill + +: If one is to argue for objective values (in a moral sense) then one must +: first start by demonstrating that morality itself is objective. Considering +: the meaning of the word ""objective"" I doubt that this will ever happen. + +: So, back to the original question: + +: And objective morality is.....? + +This may be an unfortunate choice of words, almost self-contradictory. +Objective in the sense used here means something immutable and +absolute while morality describes the behavior of some group of +people. The first term is all inclusive, the second is specific. The +concept supposedly described may have meaning however. +If there is a God as described by the Christians (for instance), then +He has existence apart from and independent of humankind; His +existence is outside of our frame of reference (reality). If this +being declares a thing to be so, it is -necessarily- so since He has +defined Himself as omnipotent and, if His claims are to be believed, +He is at least omnipotent relative to us. God is intrinsically +self-defined and all reality is whatever He says it is - in an +objective sense. +If God determines a standard of conduct, that standard is objective. +If human beings are held accountable for their conformance to that +standard while permitted to ignore it, they substitute a relative +morality or mode of conduct, giving the term morality a nebulous, +meaningless sense that can be argued about by those pretending to +misunderstand. The standard is objective and the conduct required to +meet that standard is therefore objectively determined. +Just because it is convenient to pretend that the term morality is +infinitely malleable, doesn't mean that the objective standard itself +doesn't exist. Morality has come to mean little more than a cultural +norm, or the preferred conduct of ""decent"" people, making it seem +subjective, but it is derived from an absolute, objective, standard. +Ironically, this objective standard is in perfect accord with our true +nature (according to Christianity at least), yet is condemned as being +contrary to human nre, oppressive and severe. This may be due as",19 +"I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining +one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in +Crystal City. Mr. Mark Holderman works down the hall from me, and can +be reached for comment at (713) 483-1317, or via e-mail at +mholderm@jscprofs.nasa.gov. + +Mark proposed this design, which he calls ""Geode"" (""rough on the +outside, but a gem on the inside"") or the ""ET Strongback with +integrated hab modules and centrifuge."" As you can see from file +geodeA.gif, it uses a Space Shuttle External Tank (ET) in place of much +of the truss which is currently part of Space Station Freedom. The +white track on the outside of the ET is used by the Station Remonte +Manipulator System (SRMS) and by the Reaction Control System (RCS) +pod. This allows the RCS pod to move along the track so that thrusting +can occur near the center of gravity (CG) of the Station as the mass +properties of the Station change during assembly. + +The inline module design allows the Shuttle to dock more easily because +it can approach closer to the Station's CG and at a structurally strong +part of the Station. In the current SSF design, docking forces are +limited to 400 pounds, which seriously constrains the design of the +docking system. + +The ET would have a hatch installed pre-flight, with little additional +launch mass. We've always had the ability to put an ET into orbit +(contrary to some rumors which have circulated here), but we've never +had a reason to do it, while we have had some good reasons not to +(performance penalties, control, debris generation, and eventual +de-orbit and impact footprint). Once on-orbit, we would vent the +residual H2. The ET insulation (SOFI) either a) erodes on-orbit from +impact with atomic Oxygen, or b) stays where it is, and we deploy a +Kevlar sheath around it to protect it and keep it from contaminating +the local space environment. Option b) has the advantage of providing +further micrometeor protection. The ET is incredibly strong (remember, +it supports the whole stack during launch), and could serve as the +nucleus for a much more ambitious design as budget permits. + +The white module at the end of ET contains a set of Control Moment +Gyros to be used for attitude control, while the RCS will be used +for gyro desaturation. The module also contains a de-orbit system +which can be used at the end of the Station's life to perform a +controlled de-orbit (so we don't kill any more kangaroos, like we +did with Skylab). + +The centrifuge, which has the same volume as a hab module, could be +used for long-term studies of the effects of lunar or martian gravity +on humans. The centrifuge will be used as a momentum storage device +for the whole attitude control system. The centrifuge is mounted on +one of the modules, opposite the ET and the solar panels. + +This design uses most of the existing SSF designs for electrical, +data and communication systems, getting leverage from the SSF work +done to date. + +Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, +and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors +I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter +seems more likely. + +Please note that this text is my interpretation of Mark's design; +you should see his notes in the GIF files. + +Instead of posting a 2 MB file to sci.space, I tried to post these for +anon-FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov, but it was out of storage space. I'll +let you all know when I get that done. + +-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office + kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368",14 +" + +So, we should ban the ammunition? Why not get rid of the guns? + + +It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too? +God Bless America? The list goes on... + + +Then you'd be no better than the people you despise. + + +Oh? + + +An endorsement, or an acknowledgement? I think gods are things that people +are proud of, but I don't think the motto encourages belief. + + +Is it? + +[...] + +Would you approve of such a motto? + + +And removing the tool will solve the problem? + +Or will it increase the problem?",0 +" + + +The existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also +true for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different +reasons) poses a threat to living critters. Can you say ""neutron +and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay"", boys and girls?",16 +"Hi, + I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure +X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, +I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my +graphics card and monitor. I have a 15"" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor +and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. + +Any help will be extremely appreciated. + +Thanks in advance. + +Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca +",5 +" +We'll let you live, but just this once.... + +There's more to a real ""storage"" scope than just a long-persistence +phosphor. Actually, the phosphor ISN'T usually anything special at all; +what makes a storage tube work is a screen placed just *behind* the phosphor, +which becomes charged as the electron beam intially ""writes"" the trace. +With the trace now written to the screen, a separate low-level ""flood"" +electron gun keeps the image lit by exciting those areas of phosphor +which are next to the ""written"" areas on the storage screen. There are +some problems with this - the resolution is limited compared to a non-storage +tube, and the stored trace tends to ""bloom"" with time. + +Of course, this is pretty much obsolete technology, done in by the current +digital scopes which use raster-scan displays and keep everything in a +frame-buffer memory anyways. + + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +Ah, yes - from the same people who brought you that amazing new reading +program that's sweeping Eastern Europe: ""Hooked on Consonants!"" :-) +",12 +" + Who? Where? +Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other +conservatives do as well. ",18 +"I have a pair of AKG 340 headphones for sale. They are an electrostatic +dyanmic headphone; a dynamic element for the bottom end and an electrostatic +for the high end. They are very comfortable and sound very nice. They are +in like new condition. I would like $220CDN for the pair. + +Brett Maraldo + +",6 +"Well I am not sure if this is the right newsgroup to ask, but let me try anyway. +I am running xterm and like all UNIX users, I run man . Recently, +I switched to Solaris 2.1, and their man pages are littered with "".I"" directives +that are somehow translated into reverse video when displayed by man under xterm. +The resulting output (admittedly a personal taste) is very ANNOYING to look at. +Back when I was using SunOS 4.1.2, I remember their man pages have some keywords +displayed with underlining.... + +So my question is how do I change the xterm's behaviour under "".I"" directives +for nroff man pages, to perhaps underlining, or at least disabling it. ("".B"" +directives are fine, I like them. And of course, I don't want to go in and edit +the man pages inputs...) Somehow, xterm allows one to specify both a normal font +and a bold font, but not an italic font?? + +Any pointers, suggestions are greatly appreciated. +Thanks -- John",5 +"out- +have +air, +hahaha ... my sentiments exactly. +",7 +"Hey!!! I've just upgraded my laptop to a Windows-capable one, so I +don't need my DOS word processor anymore. It's a great word +processor. Easy-to-use, undemanding on the system, and +best of all, it has a WYSIWYG EDITING mode. This is something +Word Perfect doesn't have!! And all I'm asking is $65 + shipping. +It even comes with several hundred dollars of free utilities!!! + +$65 for a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor!!! Perfect for +a laptop, or a lower powered machine!",6 +" + [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the + ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on + the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] + +I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. +The comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable +enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire. + + +I agree that the BATF handled the affair badly. + + +Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? + +At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. +Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no +good if you believe in eternal darkness. + + +",16 +"I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local +on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect +to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the +PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. + + Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal? + + Is there any way to make it work? +",5 +" + + + +Alsys has produced a paper outlining how to use C++ with TeleUSE. You can +get a copy from your local sales rep or call us at (619)457-2700. + +As mentioned, it is very straight forward using the Dialog language +(similar to Visual Basic). + + +-- ",5 +" +Yes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at +the talent level of their opponent. Since Hartford is pitiful, the +Islanders played pitiful. Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most +likely play great. This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor +shooting. To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn't hit +the broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of +it. Does anyone have shooting percentages? I don't know if that would +help, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some +light on the subject. + +And, my playoff pool is running!!! Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but +don't hesitate to send in picks!!! + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 +" +ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including +the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer +the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members +in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? + +Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? +Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic +minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. + + +Paranoia? + + +The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already +have them. +",17 +"What's the latest and greatest way to dim incandescent lamps ? + +March '93 Circuit Cellar has part one of an article about +dimming 120VAC lamps, but it seems to lead into phase- +control as the best method for controlling brightness. + I've always hated phase-control for the RFI, buzzing +filaments and non-linear adjustment range. I had +heard that you can modulate the AC line on a cycle by +cycle basis to get better results. To cut the lamp's +power to 50% you would givemsay 20 cycles of AC, then +nothing for another 20 cycles. I wonder if anyone has +tried this or knows what the pro stuff is using. Any +advice is appreciated! + +Ken +",12 +" +You asked a question, and now you don't want people to answer? I believe +a legitimate question was asked. Why shouldn't cost and safety be used +(at least in part) to determine legality? + +I'd like to see you *prove* that drug legalization is an idiotic idea. +Seems to me the evidence from Great Britain is pretty convincing that +drug legalization is a good idea. Even such a noted conservative as +William F. Buckley supports it. + +Your examples (except for prostitution) fail miserably to meet both criteria +(safer AND cheaper). Obviously, killing people is not ""safe"". As for +prostitution, why shouldn't it be legal? +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious + social problem."" ---Edward Abbey +The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)",18 +"I think you can add former A's first baseman Mike Epstein (no relation) to +the list.",9 +"I don't think speed has been determined, since it has never run on Intel chips. +But on the Amiga's Motorola Chips, it was one of the fastest true 'Ray Tracers' + +I don't think Impulse would port it over and not take speed into consideration. + +In terms of features, and learning curve... ALL that you stated for 3DS is also +true for Imagine, and lots more... But I'll have to admit that after 3 years of +use on the Amiga, the learning curve is very steep. This is due ONLY to the +manual. It is realy BAD. However, there is a lot of after market support for +this product, including regular 'Tips' articles in many magazines such as ""AVID +and a great book by Steve Worley called ""Understanding Imagine 2.0"" This book i +is not just recommened, IT IS A MUST!",1 +"I simply wish to thank Dave Mielke (dave@bnr.ca) for sharing the +tract concerning God's love. It was most welcome to me and a great +source of comfort.",15 +"I have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate +respond to the ""Charley Challenges"" (and judging from my e-mail, there +appear to be quite a few of you.) + +It is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or +unrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves. Between +the last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or +more posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge. + +It seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions +will just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the +subject. Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I +would like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers, +in the following manner: + +1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the +Challenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he +refuses to do so. + +--or-- + +2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it +something similar to the following: + + ""Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."" + +Really, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some +honest answers. You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to +ask from a devout Christian, would you? + +Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question.",0 +"I have a strange piece of equipment to unload. It is a Ether+ SCSI interface. +Apparently, it can be plugged into a SCSI port and from there to an ethernet. +That way you save a slot. Nifty. Well, I assume you people know more about it, +so, judging by the $350 price tag new, I'll ask, say, $75? Anybody interested? + + +",4 +"I was laughing about the law part. + +I've driven thru SOHO...manahattan, _I_ know what' you're talking 'bout... + +:^) + +Not that Durham, NC is any better... + +(well, maybe a little bit anyway, but the NC DOT takes more +money from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and +into the pockets of the guys building the large condos that +need their own roads than they do back into fixing roads, but +hey, the local paper did a report of this last summer, and +boy, am I glad I don't work for the DOT, 'cause they got SHAT +on, bigtime....wonder who lost their jobs? ED? Got any idea?) + +",8 +"I have a question regarding the processing of program arguments +such as the -geometry option. Since this is a standard X option, +I'm wondering wether I have to parse it manually or whether there +is some predefined function that will do this for me?",5 +,19 +" +How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin??? + + +",13 +"Speech by Pete Worden + + Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference + + Colorado Springs, Colorado + + April 15, 1993 + + + What a delightful opportunity to cause some trouble. For +providing me this forum I would sincerely like to thank the U.S. +Space Foundation. My topic today is the Single Stage Rocket +Technology rocket or SSRT. By I intend to speak of more. How to +lower the cost and make rapid progress. SSRT is to my mind -- +and I hope to convince you -- the erupting a new rallying cry for +our generation in space -- Faster, Cheaper, and Better. + + Faster, Cheaper, Better and SSRT represent the passing of a +torch from one technical generation to another. It is a new +thing to be sure -- but it is also a relearning of old things +from past masters. + + When we rolled out the SSRT baby two weeks ago, so called +experts told us it violates the laws of physics -- it made no +sense. For example, Dr. Eberhart Rachtin - former president of +the Aerospace Corp., said of SSRT in the L.A. Times that it, +""defies the best principles of launching payloads into space."" +Well Dr. Rachtin -- you've made us mad! What are these +principles that SSRT defies? + + Well I'll tell you. It violates the principle that you need +a giant program office to build space hardware. It violates the +""fact"" that it takes 20 years to build something new. And it +violates the truism that you cant do anything significant for +less than many billions of dollars. + + It took some of the last generation's experts to teach us +some new/old lessons. Werhner Von Braun's first rocket was not a +Saturn V. General Schriever's ICBM's didn't take ten years to +demonstrate. And the X-1 airplane didn't cost $1 billion. + + It took one of the great engineers of the 1950's to remind +us of these truths -- Max Hunter. Max, to remind you, was a +senior engineer in the Thor IRBM program, and old faster, better, +cheaper success story. Max has been persistent in a vision of a +single stage reusable space launch system since the 1960's. +Because he knew it had to be done in affordable steps - Build a +little, Test a little. + + Next he persuaded us to do a technology demonstration. We +didn't solicit a bunch of requirements -- they'd just change +every few years anyway. [ not included in the speech -- The +ALS/NLS has such ephemeral requirements that it would better +known as ""Shape Shifter"" than ""Space Lifter."" We didn't spend a +lot money -- this X-Rocket only cost $60 million. When's the +last time we even built a new airplane for that? And it didn't +take a lot of time to build -- McDonnell Douglas completed it in +18 months. Finally, the government program office consisted of +one very over-worked Air Force Major -- motivated in part by the +threat that he'd get to ride on it in a strapped-on lawn chair if +it ran over cost or schedule. + + As I described what SSRT is -- and isn't keep in mind its +only a first step. There are several more steps -- and steps +that can easily fail -- before the U.S. can field an SSTO. But +each step should follow the same principles -- a small management +team -- a few years technology demonstration -- and a modest +budget. + + Let me show a few details on SSRT and how it might evolve: +(See charts) + + I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last +generation -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's +and 1960's. They went to the moon - we built a telescope that +can't see straight. They soft-landed on Mars - the least we +could do is soft-land on Earth! + + But we do have an answer. We can follow their build a +little, test a little philosophy to produce a truly affordable +and routine access to space. I know there are nay sayers among +you -- those who say SSRT is a stunt. It needs more thermal +protection, the engines are wrong, it would be better to land +horizontally, etc, etc. + + I say to you -- we'll see you at White Sands in June. You +bring your view-graphs, and I'll bring my rocketship. If we do +what we say we can do, then you let us do the next step. [ not +included in the speech: If we fail -- you still have your +program offices, staff summary sheets, requirement analyses, and +decade long programs.]",14 +"A local dealer is advertising ""No negotiation necessary!"" +Make you wonder... +",7 +"I need the specs on various eprom data formats such as Intel Hex, Motorola S +JEDEC etc. + + +Can anyone out there provide such info or a pointer to it? +The one I want the most is Intel Hex.",12 +"1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER + + This mower is in perfect condition and + contains the following features: + + - Electric Start + - 26 inch cut + - Double Rear Baggers + - New Battery + - New Engine (one year old) + - Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride) + - Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride) + + I am moving into a house that has a + small area of grass to cut and does not + require such large mower. The engine was + replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to + some faulty work done by a lawn mower + repair shop.",6 +"Keith, + +I had a problem getting 256 colors (I was stuck with 16) even though +the flex-stuff said I was at 1024-256. I solved it by entering +the 'advanced' window on the flex program pannel and changing the +'color palette'. Sorry for the vaugeness, I hope it helps some. + +BTW, I have a GW2000-66V and 1M ATI GUP.",3 +"Any more news on Steve's status since he lost the starting job +would be appreciated",9 +" + +Microwaves don't work very well with no electricity Mr Engineer. + +",16 +" + + So. If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone + trade me an MHR Duc for it? + + + +===============================================================================",8 +" + Stuff deleted + I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if +the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your +foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick. + +-g.",8 +" + + + +In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, +but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes +sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is +classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is +_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you +are then not allowed to read your own paper. + +A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are +about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you +broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge +is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would +be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. + +Don't tell me that you think this violates the Constitution -- find some +court cases which have struck down such laws. Many people would not be +comforted by the fact that the government violated their rights when it +imprisoned them. +",11 +"I was wondering if anyone had any information about Molluscous contagiosem. +I acquired it, and fortunately got rid of it, but the question still lingers +in my mind: Where did it come from? The little bit of info that I have +received about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually, but +also occurs in small children on the hands, feet and genitalia. + +Any information will be greatly appreciated. + + + +""I grow old, I grow old; +I shall wear my trousers rolled.""",13 +" + +Who has to consider it? The being that does the action? I'm still +not sure I know what you are trying to say.",0 +"Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must + be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for + any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants + to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and + reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It + is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing + in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. + The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect + to join. There are just so many. + + Dean Kaflowitz + +Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus +Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a +hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So +convenient that it is burdensome at times. + +Dave. + ",19 +"Archive-name: net-privacy/part1 +Last-modified: 1993/3/3 +Version: 2.1 + + +IDENTITY, PRIVACY, and ANONYMITY on the INTERNET +================================================ + +(c) 1993 L. Detweiler. Not for commercial use except by permission +from author, otherwise may be freely copied. Not to be altered. +Please credit if quoted. + +SUMMARY +======= + +Information on email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and +posting, encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated +with use of the Internet and global networks in general. + +(Search for <#.#> for exact section. Search for '_' (underline) for +next section.) + +PART 1 +====== (this file) + +Identity +-------- +<1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? +<1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? +<1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? +<1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? +<1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? +<1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? + +Privacy +------- +<2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? +<2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? +<2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? +<2.4> How (in)secure is my account? +<2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? +<2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? +<2.7> How (in)secure is my email? +<2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? +<2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? +<2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? +<2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? +<2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? + +Anonymity +--------- +<3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? +<3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? +<3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? +<3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? +<3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? +<3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? +<3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? + + +PART 2 +====== (next file) + +Resources +--------- + +<4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? +<4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? +<4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? +<4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? +<4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? +<4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? +<4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? +<4.8> What are references on privacy in email? +<4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? +<4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? + +Miscellaneous +------------- + +<5.1> What is ``digital cash''? +<5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? +<5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? +<5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? +<5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? +<5.6> What are `identity daemons'? +<5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? + +Issues +------ + +<6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? +<6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? +<6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? +<6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? +<6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? +<6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? +<6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? +<6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? +<6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? + +Footnotes +--------- + +<7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? +<7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? +<7.3> Most Wanted list +<7.4> Change history + + +PART 3 +====== (last file) + +Anonymizing +----------- + +<8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? +<8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? +<8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? +<8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? +<8.5> What is the value of anonymity? +<8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? +<8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? +<8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? + + +* * * + + +IDENTITY +======== + +_____ +<1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? + + Generally, today people's `identity' on the internet is primarily + determined by their email address in the sense that this is their + most unchanging 'face' in the electronic realm. This is your + login name qualified by the complete address domain information, + for example ``ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu''. People see + this address when receiving mail or reading USENET posts from you + and in other situations where programs record usage. Some obsolete + forms of addresses (such as BITNET) still persist. + + In email messages, additional information on the path that a message + takes is prepended to the message received by the recipient. This + information identifies the chain of hosts involved in the + transmission and is a very accurate trace of its origination. This + type of identify-and-forward protocol is also used in the USENET + protocol to a lesser extent. Forging these fields requires + corrupted mailing software at sites involved in the forwarding and + is very uncommon. Not so uncommon is forging the chain at the + origination point, so that all initial sites in the list are faked + at the time the message is created. Tracing these messages can be + difficult or impossible when the initial faked fields are names of + real machines and represent real transfer routes. + +_____ +<1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? + + The concept of identity is closely intertwined with communication, + privacy, and security, which in turn are all critical aspects of + computer networks. For example, the convenience of communication + afforded by email would be impossible without conventions for + identification. But there are many potential abuses of identity + possible that can have very severe consequences, with massive + computer networks at the forefront of the issue, which can + potentially either exacerbate or solve these problems. + + Verifying that an identity is correct is called `authentication', + and one classic example of the problems associated with it is + H.G.Well's ``War of the Worlds'' radio broadcast that fooled + segments of the population into thinking that an alien invasion was + in progress. Hoaxes of this order are not uncommon on Usenet and + forged identities makes them more insidious. People and their + reputations can be assaulted by forgery. + + However, the fluidity of identity on the internet is for some one of + its most attractive features. Identity is just as useful as it is + harmful. A professor might carefully explain a topic until he + finds he is talking to an undergraduate. A person of a particular + occupation may be able to converse with others who might normally + shun him. Some prejudices are erased, but, on the other hand, many + prejudices are useful! A scientist might argue he can better + evaluate the findings of a paper as a reviewer if he knows more + about the authors. Likewise, he may be more likely to reject it + based on unfair or irrelevant criteria. On the other side of the + connection, the author may find identities of reviewers useful in + exerting pressure for acceptance. + + Identity is especially crucial in establishing and regulating + `credit' (not necessarily financial) and `ownership' and `usage'. + Many functions in society demand reliable and accurate techniques + for identification. Heavy reliance will be placed on digital + authentication as global economies become increasingly electronic. + Many government functions and services are based on identification, + and law enforcement frequently hinges on it. Hence, employees of + many government organizations push toward stronger identification + structures. But when does identification invade privacy? + + The growth of the internet is provoking social forces of massive + proportions. Decisions made now on issues of identity will affect + many future users, especially as the network becomes increasingly + global, universal, widespread, and entrenched; and the positive or + adverse affects of these actions, intended and inadvertent, will + literally be magnified exponentially. + +_____ +<1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? + + Your email address may contain information that influences people's + perceptions of your background. The address may `identify' you as + from a department at a particular university, an employee at a + company, or a government worker. It may contain your last name, + initials, or cryptic identification codes independent of both. In + the US some are based on parts of social security numbers. Others + are in the form 'u2338' where the number is incremented in the + order that new users are added to the system. + + Standard internet addresses also can contain information on your + broad geographical location or nationhood. However, none of this + information is guaranteed to be correct or be there at all. The + fields in the domain qualification of the username are based on + rather arbitrary organization, such as (mostly invisible) network + cabling distributions. The only point to make is that early fields + in the address are more specific (such as specific computer names + or local networks) and the later ones the most general (such as + continental domains). Typically the first field is the name of the + computer receiving mail. + + Gleaning information from the email address alone is sometimes an + inspired art or an inconsistent and futile exercise. (For more + information, see the FAQs on email addresses and known + geographical distributions below.) However, UNIX utilities exist + to aid in the quest (see the question on this). + + Common Suffixes + --------------- + + .us United States + .uk United Kingdom + .ca Canada + .fi Finland + .au Australia + + .edu university or college + .com commercial organization + .org 'other' (e.g. nonprofit organization) + .gov government + .mil military site + +_____ +<1.4> How can I find out more about somebody with a given email address? + + One simple way is to send email to that address, asking. Another + way is to send mail to the postmaster at that address (i.e. + postmaster@address), although the postmaster's job is more to help + find user ID's of particular people given their real name and solve + mail routing problems. The sysadmin (i.e. `root@address') may also + be able to supply information. Users with related email address + may have information. However, all of these methods rely on the + time and patience of others so use them minimally. + + One of the most basic tools for determining identity over the + internet is the UNIX utility 'finger'. The basic syntax is: + + finger user@here.there.everywhere + + This utility uses communication protocols to query the computer + named in the address for information on the user named. The + response is generated completely by the receiving computer and may + be in any format. Possible responses are as follows: + + - A message `unknown host' meaning some aspect of the address is + incorrect, two lines with no information and '???'. + + - A message 'In real life: ???' in which case the receiving computer + could not find any kind of a match on the username. The finger + utility may return this response in other situations. + + - A listing of information associated with multiple users. Some + computers will search only for matching user IDs, others will + attempt to find the username you specified as a substring of all + actual full names of users kept in a local database. + + At some sites 'finger' can be used to get a list of all users on the + system with a `finger @address'. In general this is often + considered weak security, however, because `attackers' know valid + user ID's to `crack' passwords. + + More information on the fields returned by `finger' is given below. + More information on `finger' and locating people's email addresses + is given in the email FAQ (such as the WHOIS lookup utility). Just + as you can use these means to find out about others, they can use + them to find out about you. You can `finger' yourself to find out + what is publicly reported by your UNIX system about you. Be + careful when modifying `finger' data; virtually anyone with + internet access worldwide can query this information. In one + amazing case, the New York Times writer J. Markoff uncovered the + identity of R. Morris, author of the Internet Worm, through + the use of an anonymous tip and 'finger'. See the book Cyberspace + by K. Hafner and J. Markoff. + +_____ +<1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? + + Generally, identity is an amorphous and almost nonexistent concept + on the Internet for a variety of reasons. One is the inherent + fluidity of `cyberspace' where people emerge and submerge + frequently, and absences are not readily noted in the `community'. + Most people remember faces and voices, the primary means of casual + identification in the 'real world'. The arbitary and cryptic + sequences of letters and digits comprising most email addresses are + not particularly noticeable or memorable and far from a unique + identification of an individual, who may use multiple accounts on + multiple machines anywhere in the world. + + Currently internet users do not really have any great assurances + that the messages in email and USENET are from who they appear to + be. A person's mailing address is far from an identification of an + individual. + + - Anyone with access to the account, e.g. they know the password, + either legitimately or otherwise, can send mail with that address + in the From: line. + + - Email addresses for an individual tend to change frequently as + they switch jobs or make moves inside their organizations. + + - As part of current mailing protocol standards, forging the From: + line in mail messages is a fairly trivial operation for many + hackers. + + The status and path information prepended to messages by + intermediate hosts is generally unforgeable. In general, while + possible, forgeries are fairly rare on most newsgroups and in + email. Besides these pathological cases abve there are many basic + problems with today's internet protocols affecting identification + on the internet: + + - Internet mail standards, described in RFC-822, are still evolving + rapidly and not entirely orderly. For example, standards for + mail address `munging' or `parsing' tend to vary slightly between + sites and frequently mean the difference between finding + addresses and bouncing mail. + + - Domain names and computer names are frequently changed at sites, + and there are delays in the propagation of this data. + + - Addresses cannot be resolved when certain critical computers + crash, such as the receiving computer or other computers involved + in resolving names into addresses called `nameservers'. + + - A whole slew of problems is associated with `nameservers'; if + they are not updated they will not find name addresses, and even + the operation of what constitutes `updating' has different + interpretations at different sites. + + The current internet mailing and addressing protocols are slightly + anachronistic in that they were created when the network was + somewhat obscure and not widespread, with only a fraction of the + traffic it now sees. Today a large proportion of internet traffic + is email, comprising millions of messages. + +_____ +<1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? + + Some new technologies and standards are introducing facial images + and voice messages into mail and these will improve the sense of + community that comes from the familiarity of identification. + However, they are not currently widespread, require large amounts + of data transfer, standardized software, and make some compromises + in privacy. + + Promising new cryptographic techniques may make 'digital signatures' + and 'digital authentication' common (see below). Also, the trend + in USENET standards is toward greater authentication of posted + information. On the other hand, advances in ensuring anonymity + (such as remailers) are forthcoming. See below. + + +PRIVACY +======= + +_____ +<2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? + + Generally, while `privacy' has multiple connotations in society and + perhaps even more on the internet, in cyberspace most take it to + mean that you have exclusive use and access to your account and the + data stored on and and directed to it (such as email), and you do + not encounter arbitrary restrictions or searches. In other words, + others may obtain data associated with your account, but not + without your permission. These ideas are probably both fairly + limiting and liberal in their scope in what most internet users + consider their private domains. Some users don't expect or want + any privacy, some expect and demand it. + +_____ +<2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? + + This is a somewhat debatable and inflammatory topic, arousing + passionate opinions. On the internet, some take privacy for + granted and are rudely surprised to find it tenuous or nonexistent. + Most governments have rules that protect privacy (such as the + illegal search and seizure clause of the U.S. constitution, adopted + by others) but have many that are antithetical to it (such as laws + prohibiting secret communications or allowing wiretapping). These + rules generally carry over to the internet with few specific rules + governing it. However, the legal repercussions of the global + internet are still largely unknown and untested (i.e. no strong + legal precedents and court cases). The fact that internet traffic + frequently passes past international boundaries, and is not + centrally managed, significantly complicates and strongly + discourages its regulation. + +_____ +<2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? + + - `Theoretically' people at any site in the chain of sites with + access to hardware and network media that transmits data over the + Internet could potentially monitor or archive it. However, the + sheer volume and general 'noise' inherent to this data makes + these scenarios highly improbable, even by government agencies + with supposedly vast funding and resources. + + - Technologies exist to `tap' magnetic fields given off by + electrical wires without detection. Less obscurely, any machine + with a network connection is a potential station for traffic + detection, but this scenario requires knowledge and access to + very low-level hardware (the network card) to pursue, if even + possible. + + - A company Network General Inc. is one of many that manufactures + and markets sophisticated network monitoring tools that can + 'filter' and read packets by arbitrary criteria for + troubleshooting purposes, but the cost of this type of device is + prohibitive for casual use. + + Known instances of the above types of security breaches at a major + scale (such as at network hubs) are very rare. The greatest risks + tend to emerge locally. Note that all these approaches are almost + completely defused with the use of cryptography. + +_____ +<2.4> How (in)secure is my account? + + By default, not very. There are a multitude of factors that may + reinforce or compromise aspects of your privacy on the internet. + First, your account must be secure from other users. The universal + system is to use a password, but if it is `weak' (i.e. easy to + guess) this security is significantly diminished. Somewhat + surprisingly and frighteningly to some, certain users of the + system, particularly the administrator, generally have unlimited + access regardless of passwords, and may grant that access to + others. This means that they may read any file in your account + without detection. + + Furthermore, not universally known, most UNIX systems keep fairly + extensive accounting records of when and where you logged in, what + commands you execute, and when they are executed (in fact, login + information is usually public). Most features of this `auditing' or + `process accounting' information are enabled by default after the + initial installation and the system administrator may customize it + to strengthen or weaken it to satisfy performance or privacy aims. + This information is frequently consulted for troubleshooting + purposes and may otherwise be ignored. This data tracks + unsuccessful login attempts and other 'suspicious' activities on + the system. A traditional part of the UNIX system that tracks user + commands is easily circumvented by the user with the use of + symbolic links (described in 'man ln'). + + UNIX implementations vary widely particularly in tracking features + and new sophisticated mechanisms are introduced by companies + regularly. Typically system adminstrators augment the basic UNIX + functionality with public-domain programs and locally-developed + tools for monitoring, and use them only to isolate `suspicious' + activity as it arises (e.g. remote accesses to the 'passwd' file, incorrect + login attempts, remote connection attempts, etc.). + + Generally, you should expect little privacy on your account for + various reasons: + + - Potentially, every keystroke you type could be intercepted by + someone else. + + - System administrators make extensive backups that are completely + invisible to users which may record the states of an account over + many weeks. + + - Erased files can, under many operating systems, be undeleted. + + - Most automated services keep logs of use for troubleshooting or + otherwise; for example FTP sites usually log the commands and + record the domain originations of users, including anonymous + ones. + + - Some software exacerbates these problems. See the section on + ``X Windows (in)security''. + + Indepedent of malevolent administrators are fellow users, a much + more commonly harmful threat. There are multiple ways to help + ensure that your account will not be accessed by others, and + compromises can often be traced to failures in these guidelines: + + - Choose a secure password. Change it periodically. + - Make sure to logout always. + - Do not leave a machine unattended for long. + - Make sure no one watches you when you type your password. + - Avoid password references in email. + - Be conservative in the use of the .rhost file. + - Use utilities like `xlock' to protect a station, but be + considerate. + + Be wary of situations where you think you should supply your + password. There are only several basic situations where UNIX + prompts you for a password: when you are logging in to a system or + changing your password. Situations can arise in which prompts for + passwords are forged by other users, especially in cases where you + are talking to them (such as Internet Relay Chat). Also, be aware + that forged login screens are one method to illegitimately obtain + passwords. + + + (Thanks to Jim Mattson for contributions + here.) + +_____ +<2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? + + The most important privacy considerations are related to file + rights, and many lapses can be traced to their misunderstood nature + or haphazard maintenance. Be aware of the rights associated with + your files and directories in UNIX. If the `x' (`execute') right on + your parent directory is off for users, groups, and other, these + users cannot gain information on anything in your directories. + Anything less may allow others to read, change, or even delete + files in your home directory. The rights on a directory supersede + the rights associated with files in that directory. For a + directory, 'x' means that access to the files (or subdirectories) + in the directory is possible -- if you know their names. To list + the contents of the directory, however, requires the 'r' right. + + By default most accounts are accessable only to the owner, but the + initial configuration varies between sites based on administrator + preference. The default file mode specifies the initial rights + associated with newly created files, and can be set in the shell + with `umask'. The details of rights implementations tend to vary + between versions of UNIX. Consult man pages on `chmod' and `ls'. + + Examples + -------- + + traver.lance % ls -ld ~ + drwx------ 15 ld231782 1536 Jan 31 21:22 /users/ld231782/ + + Here is a listing of the rights associated with a user's home + directory, denoted by `~'. The columns at the left identify what + rights are available. The first column identifies the entry as a + directory, and the next three columns mean that read, write, and + execute rights, respectively, are permitted for that user. For + directories, the `x' right means that contents (file and + subdirectory names) within that directory can be listed. The + subsequent columns indicate that no other users have any rights to + anything in the directory tree originating at that point. They + can't even `see' any lower files or subdirectories; the hierarchy + is completely invisible to them. + + traver.lance % ls -l msg + -rw-r--r-- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg + traver.lance % chmod u=rw,g=,o= msg + traver.lance % ls -l msg + -rw------- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg + + Here the modes on the file `msg' were changed to take away rights + from `group' and `other'. + + Note that `ls -l ' requires both the 'r' right to get the list + of files and subdirectories, and the 'x' right to access the files + and subdirectories in order to get their size, etc. For example, + suppose the directory `foo' has rights dr--r--r--, the following + is possible: + + ls foo + + These commands would fail independent of file rights: + + ls -l foo + ls -l foo/file + cat foo/file + cd foo + + If the directory `foo' has rights d--x--x--x, the following are + possible if it is known beforehand that `foo' contains an 'r' + readable file named `file': + + ls -l foo/file + cat foo/file + cd foo + + The following commands fail: + + ls foo + ls -l foo + + + (Thanks to Uwe Waldmann for contributions here.) + +_____ +<2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? + + X Windows is the primary software developed by the MIT Athena + project which is funded by U.S. government grants to develop + applications to harness the power of networks in enhancing + computational tasks, particularly the human-computer interface. + The software implements a client-server interface to a computer via + graphical windows. In this case the `client' is the application + requesting or utilizing graphical resources (such as windows or a + mouse) and the `server' is the machine that provides them. In many + situations the client is an application program running on the same + machine as the server. + + The great utility of X Windows comes from its complete dissociation + of the client and server so that windows may be `broadcast' to a + server at a remote location from the client. Unfortunately this + dynamic power also introduces many deep, intricate, and complicated + security considerations. The primary security and privacy issue + associated with X Windows is that much more sensitive data may be + sent over a network, and over wider regions, than in the case where + the human is situated near the host computer. Currently there is + no encryption of data such as screen updates and keystrokes in X + Windows. + + Due to either intentional design decisions or unintentional design + flaws, early versions of the X Window system are extremely + insecure. Anyone with an account on the server machine can disrupt + that display or read it electronically based on access to the + device unix:0.0 by any regular user. There are no protections + from this type of access in these versions. The problem arises + because the security is completely based on machine addresses + rather than users, such that any user at a `trusted' machine is + himself trusted. Quoting from X documentation (man Xsecurity): + + > Any client on a host in the host access control list is allowed + > access to the X server. This system can work reasonably well in + > an environment where everyone trusts everyone, or when only a + > single person can log into a given machine...This system does not + > work well when multiple people can log in to a single machine and + > mutual trust does not exist. + + With the access control list, the `xhost' command may prevent some + naive attempts (i.e. those other than the direct-access unix:0.0 + evasion); the syntax as typed on the host machine is ``xhost + +[name]'' where [name] is the domain name or internet address of an + authorized client machine. By default clients running nonlocal to + the host are disabled. Public domain programs to disrupt a display + momentarily (such as 'flip' or slowly mirror the screen image, or + cause pixels to 'melt' down to the bottom) have been circulating on + the internet among hackers for several years and played as pranks + on unsuspecting or inexperienced users. Much more serious security + breaches are conceivable from similar mechanisms exploiting this + inherent weaknesses. (The minimal, easily-bypassed `trusted' + security mode of `xhost' has been jokingly referred to as ``X + Hanging Open, Security Terrible.''). + + New versions of the X Window system (X11R5 and higher) by default + make server access as secure as the file system using a .Xauthority + file and 'magic cookies'. Remote machines must have a code in the + .Xauthority file in the home directory that matches the code + allowed by the server. Many older programs and even new + vendor-supplied code does not support or is incompatible with + `magic cookies'. The basic magic cookie mechanism is vulnerable to + monitoring techniques described earlier because no encryption of + keys occurs in transmission. X11R5 also includes other + sophisticated encryption mechanisms. Try `man Xsecurity' to find + out what is supported at your site. Even though improved security + mechanisms have been available in X Windows since ~1990, local + sites often update this software infrequently because installation + is extremely complex. + + + (Thanks to Marc Vanheyningen , + Jim Mattson , and Bill Marshall + for contributions here.) + +_____ +<2.7> How (in)secure is my email? + + By default, not very. The characters that you are reading are + almost certainly encoded in ASCII, the American Standard Code for + Information Interchange that maps alphabetic and symbolic + characters onto numeric codes and vice versa. Virtually every + computer system uses this code, and if not, has ways of converting + to and from it. When you write a mail message, by default it is + being sent in ASCII, and since the standard is virtually + universal, there is no intrinsic privacy. Despite milleniums worth + of accumulated cryptographic knowledge, cryptographic technologies + are only recently being established that afford high priority to + privacy as a primary criteria in computer and network design. Some + potential pitfalls in privacy are as follows: + + - The most serious threats are instances of immature or unscrupulous + system operators reading private mail in the `spool files' at a + local site (i.e. at the source or destination of the message), + such as a university. + + - System administrators may also release files to law enforcement + agencies, but conventions and protocols for warrants involving + computer searches have still not been strongly established and + tested legally. + + - Note that bounced messages go to postmasters at a given site in + their entirety. This means that if you address mail with an + incorrect address it has a good chance of being seen by a human + other than the recipient. + + - Typically new user accounts are always set up such that the local + mail directory is private, but this is not guaranteed and can be + overridden. + + - Finally, be aware that some mailing lists (email addresses of + everyone on a list) are actually publicly accessable via mail + routing software mechanisms. This `feature' can be disabled. + + Most potential compromises in email privacy can be thoroughly + avoided with the use of strong end-to-end cryptography, which has + its own set of caveats (for example, unscrupulous administrators + may still be a threat if the encryption site is shared or + nonlocal). See the sections on ``email privacy'' and ``email + policies.'' + +_____ +<2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? + + As punishment or whatever, your system administrator can revoke + certain `privileges' such as emailing, USENET posting or reading + certain groups, file transferring, remote communications, or + generally any subset of capabilities available from your account. + This all is completely at the discretion of the local administrator + and under the procedures followed at a particular site, which in + many cases are haphazard and crisis-oriented. Currently there are + virtually no widespread, uniform guidelines or procedures for + restricting use to any internet services, and local administrators + are free to make arbitrary decisions on access. + + Today punitive measures are regularly applied in various situations. + In the typical scenario complaint(s) reach a system adminstrator + regarding abuses by a user, usually but not necessarily preceded by + complaints to the user in email, regarding that person's + objectionable email or postings. `abusive' posters to USENET are + usually first given admonitions from their system administrators as + urged by others on the `net'. (The debate persists endlessly on + many newsgroups whether this is also used as a questionable means + of attacking or silencing `harmless crackpots' or censoring + unpopular opinions.) + + System administrators at remote sites regularly cooperate to + 'squelch' severe cases of abuse. In general, however, by tradition + Usenet readers are remarkably tolerant of diverse views and uses of + the system, but a colorful vocabularly of slang helps describe + their alternatives when this patience is sapped: the options + wielded by the individual user are to simply advance to the next + message (referred to as ``hitting the `n' key''), or to `plonk' + annoying posters (according to the Hacker's Dictionary, the sound a + jerk makes at the end of a fall to the bottom of a kill file). + + In cases where punitive actions are applied, generally system + administrators are least likely to restrict email. USENET postings + are much more commonly restricted, either to individual users or + entire groups (such as a university campus). Restrictions are most + commonly associated with the following `abuses': + + - harassing or threatening notes, `email terrorism' + - illegal uses, e.g. piracy or propagation of copyrighted material + - `ad hominem' attacks, i.e. insulting the reputation of the + poster instead of citing the content of the message + - intentional or extreme vulgarity and offensiveness + - inappropriate postings, esp. binary files in regular groups + `mail-bombing': inundating mail boxes with numerous or massive + files + + Major problems originate from lack of distinctions in private and + official email or postings. Most users have internet access via + accounts at businesses or universities and their activities on the + internet can be construed as representative of their parent + organizations. Many people put disclaimers in their `signatures' in + an attempt dissociate their identity and activities from parent + organizations as a precaution. A recent visible political case + involves the privacy of electronic mail written by White House + staff members of the Bush administration. Following are some + guidelines: + + - Acquaint yourself with your company or university policy. + - If possible, avoid use of your company email address for private + communication. + - Use a disclaimer. + - Keep a low profile (avoid `flamewars' or simply don't post). + - Avoid posting information that could be construed to be + proprietary or `internal'. + + The following references are available from ftp.eff.com + (see also the section on ``internet use policies''): + + /pub/academic/banned.1991 + /pub/academic/banned.1992 + --- + Computer material that was banned/challenged in academia in 1991 + and 1992 including USENET hierarchies. + + /pub/academic/cases + --- + This is an on-line collection of information about specific + computers and academic freedom cases. File README is a detailed + description of the items in the directory. + + /pub/academic/faq/netnews.liability + --- + Notes on university liability for Usenet. + +_____ +<2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? + + The public information of your identity and account is mostly + available though the UNIX utility `finger' described above. + + - You have control over most of this information with the utility + `chfn', the specifics vary between sites (on some systems use + `passwd -f'). + + - You can provide unlimited information in the .plan file which is + copied directly to the destination during the fingering. + + - A technique that works at some sites allows you to find out who is + 'finger'ing you and even to vary the .plan file sent to them. + + - Your signature is determined by the environment variable SIGNATURE + + - USENET signatures are conventionally stored in the .signature file + in your home directory. + + Providing less information on your online identity is more difficult + and involved. One approach is to ask your system adminstrator to + change or delete information about you (such as your full name). + You may be able to obtain access on a public account or one from + someone unrelated to you personally. You may be able to remotely + login (via modem or otherwise) to computers that you are not + physically near. These are tactics for hiding or masking your + online activities but nothing is foolproof. Consult man pages on + the 'chmod' command and the default file mode. Generally, files on + a shared system have good safeguards within the user pool but very + little protection is possible from corrupt system administrators. + + To mask your identity in email or on USENET you can use different + accounts. More untraceable are new `anonymous posting' and + remailing services that are very recently being established. See + below. + +______ +<2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? + + The requirements and screening for getting a system administration + job (and thereby access to all information on a system) vary widely + between sites and are sometimes frighteningly lax, especially at + universities. Many UNIX systems at universities are largely + managed by undergraduates with a background in computing and often + `hacking'. In general, commercial and industrial sites are more + strict on qualifications and background, and government sites are + extremely strict. + + The system adminstrator (root user) can monitor what commands you + used and at what times. S/he may have a record (backups) of files + on your account over a few weeks. S/he can monitor when you send + email or post USENET messages, and potentially read either. S/he + may have access to records indicating what hosts you are using, + both locally and elsewhere. Administrators sometimes employ + specialized programs to track `strange' or `unusual' activity, + which can potentially be misused. + +______ +<2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? + + For the numerous reasons listed above, privacy should not be an + expectation with current use of the internet. Furthermore, large + parts of the internet are funded by the U.S. NSF (National Science + Foundation) which places certain restrictions on its use (such as + prohibiting commercial use). Some high-level officials in this and + other government agencies may be opposed to emerging techniques to + guarantee privacy (such as encryption and anonymous services). + + Historically the major threats to privacy on the internet have been + local. Perhaps the most common example of this are the widespread + occurrences of university administrators refusing to carry some + portion of USENET newsgroups labelled as `pornographic'. The + `alternative' hierarchy in the USENET system, which has virtually + no restrictions on propagation and new group creation, is + frequently targeted (although this material may appear anywhere). + + From the global point of view traffic is generally completely + unimpeded on the internet and only the most egregious offenders + are pursued. For example, verbatim transcriptions of copyrighted + material (such as newspaper or magazine articles) are posted to + USENET with regularity without major consequences (some email + complaints may ensue). More astonishing to some is that currently + significant portions of USENET traffic, and less so internet + traffic, is comprised of sexually-explicit digitized images almost + entirely originating from copyrighted material (newsgroups such as + `alt.sex' regularly have the highest traffic). + +______ +<2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? + + Some argue that the internet currently has an adequate or + appropriate level of privacy. Others will argue that as a + prototype for future global networks it has woefully inadequate + safeguards. The internet is growing to become a completely global, + international superhighway for data, and this traffic will + inevitably entail data such as voice messages, postal mail, and + many other items of extremely personal nature. Computer items that + many people consider completely private (such as their local hard + drives) will literally be inches from global network connections. + Also, sensitive industrial and business information is exchanged + over networks currently and this volume may conceivably merge with + the internet. + + Most would agree that, for these basic but sensitive uses of the + internet, no significant mechanisms are currently in place to + ensure much privacy. New standards are calling for uniform + introduction of `privacy enhanced mail' (PEM) which uses encryption + technologies to ensure privacy, so that privacy protection is + automatic, and may significantly improve safeguards. + + The same technology that can be extremely destructive to privacy + (such as with surreptitious surveilance) can be overwhelmingly + effective in protecting it (e.g. with encryption). Some government + agencies are opposed to unlimited privacy in general, and believe + that it should lawfully be forfeited in cases of criminal conduct + (e.g. court-authorized wiretapping). However, powerful new + technologies to protect privacy on computers are becoming + increasingly popular, provoking some to say that ``the cat is out + of the bag'' and the ``genie can't be put back in the bottle''. In + less idiomatic terms, they believe that the spread of strong + cryptography is already underway will be socially and technically + unstoppable. + + To date, no feasible system that guarantees both secure + communication and government oversight has been proposed (the two + goals are largely incompatible). Proposals for ``registration'' of + secret keys (by D. Denning on sci.crypt, for example) have been met + with hot controversy at best and ridicule and derision at worst, + mainly because of concerns for the right to privacy and objections + of inherent feasibility. Electronic privacy issues, and + particularly the proper roles of networks and the internet, will + foreseeably become highly visible and explosive over the next few + years. + + +ANONYMITY +========= + +_____ +<3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? + + Simply stated, anonymity is the absence of identity, the + ultimate in privacy. However, there are several variations on + this simple theme. A person may wish to be consistently + identified by a certain pseudonym or `handle' and establish a + reputation under it in some area, providing pseudo-anonymity. + A person may wish to be completely untraceable for a single + one-way message (a sort of `hit-and-run'). Or, a person may + wish to be openly anonymous but carry on a conversation with + others (with either known or anonymous identities) via an + `anonymous return address'. A user may wish to appear as a + `regular user' but actually be untraceable. Sometimes a user + wishes to hide who he is sending mail to (in addition to the + message itself). The anonymous item itself may be directed at + individuals or groups. A user may wish to access some + service and hide all signs of the association. + + All of these uses are feasible on the internet but are currently + tricky to carry out in practice, because of all the tracking + mechanisms inherent to operating systems and network protocols. + Officials of the NSF and other government agencies may be opposed + to any of these uses because of the potential for abuse. + Nevertheless, the inherent facelessness of large networks will + always guarantee a certain element of anonymity. + +_____ +<3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? + + Anonymity is another powerful tool that can be beneficial or + problematic depending on its use. Arguably absence of + identification is important as the presence of it. It may be the + case that many strong benefits from electronic anonymity will be + discovered that were unforeseen and unpredicted, because true + anonymity has been historically very difficult to establish. + + One can use anonymity to make personal statements to a colleague + that would sabotage a relationship if stated openly (such as + employer/employee scenarios). One can use it to pass information + and evade any threat of direct retribution. For example, + `whistleblowers' reporting on government abuses (economic, social, + or political) can bring issues to light without fear of stigma or + retaliation. Sensitive, personal, potentially damaging information + is often posted to some USENET groups, a risky situation where + anonymity allows conversations to be carried on completely + independent of the identities of the participants. Some police + departments run phone services that allow anonymous reporting of + crimes; such uses would be straightforward on the network. + Unfortunately, extortion and harassment become more insidious with + assurances of anonymity. + +_____ +<3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? + + The chief means, as alluded to above, are masking identities in + email and posting. However, anonymous accounts (public accounts as + accessable and anonymous as e.g. public telephones) may be + effective as well, but this use is generally not officially + supported and even discouraged by some system adminstrators and NSF + guidelines. The nonuniformity in the requirements of obtaining + accounts at different sites and institutions makes anonymous + accounts generally difficult to obtain to the public at large. + + Many communications protocols are inherently detrimental to + anonymity. Virtually every protocol in existence currently + contains information on both sender and receiver in every packet. + New communications protocols will likely develop that guarantee + much higher degrees of secure anonymous communication. + +_____ +<3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? + + One approach to `anonymizing' mail has been to set up an `anonymous + server' that, when activated by email to its address, responds by + allocating and supplying an `anonymous ID' that is unique to the + person requesting it (based on his email address). This will vary + for the same person for different machine address email + originations. To send anonymous mail, the user sends email directed + to the server containing the final destination. The server + `anonymizes' the message by stripping of identification information + and forwards the message, which appears to originate from the + anonymous server only from the corresponding anonymous user id. + This is the `interactive' use of anonymity or pseudonymity + mentioned above. + + Another more `fringe' approach is to run a `cypherpunk' remailer + from a regular user account (no root system privileges are + required). These are currently being pioneered by Eric Hughes and + Hal Finney . The operator runs a process on + a machine that anonymizes mail sent to him with certain + characteristics that distinguish it from his regular incoming mail + (typically fields in the header). One has been implemented as a + PERL script running on UNIX. Several of these are in existence + currently but sites and software currently are highly unstable; + they may be in operation outside of system administrator knowledge. + The remailers don't generally support anonymous return addresses. + Mail that is incorrectly addressed is received by the operator. + Generally the user of the remailer has to disavow any + responsibility for the messages forwarded through his system, + although actually may be held liable regardless. + + These approaches have several serious disadvantages and weaknesses: + + - The anonymous server approach requires maintaining a mapping of + anonymous ID's to real addresses that must be maintained + indefinitely. One alternative is to allow `deallocation' of + aliases at the request of the user, but this has not been + implemented yet. + + - Although an unlikely scenario, traffic to any of these sites could + conceivably be monitored from the `outside', necessitating the + use of cryptography for basic protection,. + + - Local administrators can shut them down either out of caprice or + under pressure from local, network, or government agencies. + + - Unscrupulous providers of the services can monitor the traffic + that goes through them. + + - Most remailers currently keep logs that may be inspected. + + - The cypherpunk approach tends to be highly unstable because these + operators are basically network users who do not own the + equipment and are accountable to their own system + administrators, who may be unaware of the use and unsympathetic + to the philosophy of anonymity when the operation is discovered, + regarding it as illicit use. + + - In all cases, a high degree of trust is placed in the anonymous + server operator by the user. + + Currently the most direct route to anonymity involves using SMTP + protocols to submit a message directly to a server with arbitrary + field information. This practice, not uncommon to hackers, and the + approach used by remailers, is generally viewed with hostility by + most system administrators. Information in the header routing data + and logs of network port connection information may be retained + that can be used to track the originating site. In practice, this + is generally infeasible and rarely carried out. Some + administrators on the network will contact local administrators to + request a message be tracked and its writer admonished or punished + more severely (such as revoking the account), all of this actually + happening occasionally but infrequently. + + See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and + ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. + +_____ +<3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? + + Anonymous servers have been established as well for anonymous Usenet + posting with all the associated caveats above (monitored traffic, + capricious or risky local circumstances, logging). Make sure to + test the system at least once by e.g. anonymous posting to + misc.test (however some operators don't recommend this because many + sites `autorespond' to test messages, possibly causing the + anonymous server to allocate anonymous IDs for those machines). + See the ``responsibilties associated with anonymous posting'' + before proceeding. + + Another direct route involves using NNTP protocols to submit a + message directly to a newserver with arbitrary field information. + This practice, not uncommon to hackers, is also generally viewed + with hostility by most system administrators, and similar + consequences can ensue. + + See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and + ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. + +_____ +<3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? + + As noted, many factors compromise the anonymity currently available + to the general internet community, and these services should be + used with great caution. To summarize, the technology is in its + infancy and current approaches are unrefined, unreliable, and not + completely trustworthy. No standards have been established and + troubling situations of loss of anonymity and bugs in the software + are prevalent. Here are some encountered and potential bugs: + + - One anonymous remailer reallocated already allocated anonymous + return addresses. + - Others passed signature information embedded in messages + unaltered. + - Address resolution problems resulting in anonymized mail bounced + to a remailer are common. + - Forgeries to the anonymous server itself are a problem, possibly + allowing unauthorized users to potentially glean anon ID - email + address mappings in the alias file. This can be remedied with + the use of passwords. + - Infinite mail loops are possible with chaining remailers. + + Source code is being distributed, tested, and refined for these + systems, but standards are progressing slowly and weakly. The + field is not likely to improve considerably without official + endorsement and action by network agencies. The whole idea is + essentially still in its infancy and viewed with suspicion and + distrust by many on the internet, seen as illegitimate or favorable + to criminality. The major objection to anonymity over regular + internet use is the perceived lack of accountability to system + operators, i.e. invulnerability to account restrictions resulting + from outside complaints. System adminstrators at some sites have + threatened to filter anonymous news postings generated by the + prominent servers from their redistribution flows. This may only + have the effect of encouraging server operators to create less + characteristically detectable headers. Probably the least + problematic approach, and the most traditional to Usenet, is for + individual users to deal with anonymous mail however they prefer, + e.g. ignoring it or filtering it with kill files. + +_____ +<3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? + + New anonymous protocols effectively serve to significantly increase + safeguards of anonymity. For example, the same mechanism that + routes email over multiple hosts, thereby threatening its privacy, + can also be used to guarantee it. In a scheme called `chaining' an + anonymous message is passed through multiple anonymous servers + before reaching a destination. In this way generally multiple + links of the chain have to be `broken' for security to be + compromised. Re-encryption at each link makes this scenario even + more unlikely. Even more significantly the anonymous remailers + could be spread over the internet globally so that local weaknesses + (such as corrupt governments or legal wiretapping within a nation) + would be more unlikely to sacrifice overall security by message + tracing. However, remailers run by corrupt operators are possible. + + The future of anonymous services on the internet is, at this time, + highly uncertain and fraught with peril. While specific groups seem + to benefit significantly from anonymous posting capabilities, many + feel that unlimited newsgroup scope for anonymous posting is a + disruptive and dangerous idea and detracts from discussions in + `serious' groups. The introduction of unlimited group anonymity + may have fundamental repercussions on Usenet conventions and + distribution mechanisms such as moderated and `alt' groups have had + in the past. For example, as part of new group creation, the + charter may specify whether `anonymous' posting is (un)welcome. + + Nevertheless, the widespread introduction and use of anonymity may + be inevitable. Based on traffic statistics, anonymous services are + in huge demand. Pervasive and readily available anonymity could + carry significant and unforeseen social consequences. However, if + its use is continued to be generally regarded as subversive it may + be confined to the underground. The ramifications of widespread + introduction of anonymity to Usenet are still largely unknown. It + is unclear whether it will provoke signficant amounts of new + traffic or, instead of expansion, cause a shift where a greater + portion of existing traffic is anonymized. Conceivably the + services could play a role in influencing future mainstream social + acceptance of Usenet. + + +* * *",11 +"Hello everybody... + +Are there any ftp-sites with wav-files available??? +Frode Kvam :-) + + +-- +_______________________________________________________________________________ + _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ (C) +_______________________________________________________________________________ + Name: Frode Kvam + Univ: University of Trondheim, dept of informatics + E-mail: frode@ifi.unit.no + Snail-mail: Lademoens Kirkealle 8 + 7042 TRONDHEIM + Voice: + 47 7 50 45 06 +_______________________________________________________________________________",2 +" + How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the +Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these +countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic +Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious. + + +",17 +"Replying to A.J. Teel: + + Well, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the + Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for + stopping withholding, et cetera have been out there for a + while now. + +Humbug. Those letters don't provide ""concrete proof"" of anything at all +in the absence of any case law that demonstrates the method will actu- +ally work for ordinary people in everyday situations. + +Specifically, show us some case law in which the courts have ruled that +income tax is illegal and/or that ordinary working types do not have to +pay income tax (and that they can legally avoid paying income tax with- +out declaring themselves to be churches or some such silliness). This +issue is sufficiently important that I think we have a right to expect +something squarely on point from the US Supreme Court (in the case of +federal tax) or a state's supreme court (for a state's income tax). + +Unless you can do that, I for one am unwilling to call your material +""concrete proof"". + + There has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers + finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear their + reasons for disbelief at this point. + +Refutation?? Refutation of what? You haven't made a case yet. You've +posted plenty of claims, but you haven't given us any valid reason to +believe that any court in the US will agree with you. Your claims seem +on the surface to deviate so radically from the legal mainstream that I +feel the burden of proof is still on =you= to show that your arguments +have any merit whatsoever. And the cases you've cited involve such +strange situations that I see no reason to assume that the rulings are +applicable to anyone else, or that they will ultimately stand on appeal +to the Supreme Court. + +Why can't you just cite us a case in which Joe Schmoe, a regular +employee earning regular wages from a regular company, refuses to pay +his income tax, gets hauled into court, is convicted of wilful tax eva- +sion, and then has his conviction overturned by the US Supreme Court +with a landmark 7-2 majority ruling that income tax is indeed totally +voluntary? What, you say? No such case exists? Hmmm, I wonder why +not; why haven't you? + + Shall I conclude that the point has been received and the + opposition has forfeited the field? + +With all due respect, you can conclude anything you want. I just hope, +for your own sake, that you don't conclude that anyone in a position of +authority in the United States or any legitimate or illegitimate polit- +ical subdivision thereof is going to agree with your conclusions. + +For that matter, I confess I'm thoroughly confused as to =why= you would +be looking for court rulings in your favor anyway -- since I thought you +told us earlier that every court in the US has been in cahoots with big +banking interests since the 1938 ""admiralty jurisdiction"" coverup thing. +Do you honestly expect us to believe that they'd go to all the trouble +to subvert the system, and yet would still promptly slink back into +their burrows in the face of anyone who knew enough to invoke the right +combination of magic spells and mystic mumbo-jumbo? + +Not only that, but why do you even =care= what the US courts say anyway? +Didn't you tell us a while back that you've disavowed all attempts by US +officials to classify you as a ""14th Amendment federal citizen""? When +the FBI comes to haul you away for tax evasion, why don't you just tell +them they're out of their jurisdiction and should go back to Washington, +D.C., where they belong? + +Or maybe we should all just go back to mediaeval common law, which you +suggested would be better than all these statutes, codes, and the like. +If you want to renounce society's legal framework, fine; we can just +declare you an outlaw, OK?, and anyone who sees you driving on the roads +with no license plate on your car and no driver's license in your wallet +can just take you like a game animal and stew you for their supper (with +plenty of veggies and a pinch of salt, but WITHOUT PREJUDICE UCC 1-207). + +Sorry, everyone, it's getting late, and I'm sick and tired of all this +garbage. If I know what's good for me, I'll just clam up and stop try- +ing to refute this nonsense, and if anyone falls for it and winds up in +jail for tax evasion or what-not, it'll be on their own head. + +Needless to say, none of the above represents the opinions of my current +employer -- who, in any case, is a Canadian and doesn't really need to +care too much about US tax law. I, on the other hand, am a ""14th Amend- +ment federal citizen"", with a US passport to prove it, and plan to keep +on filing Form 1040's for the foreseeable future (though I will probably +not owe any US income tax due to the foreign earned income exclusion +and/or the foreign tax credit). +",18 +"I am looking for Ultima V for the IBM, I would like the entire package +(meaning I need more than just the game, I would like the Docs also) +Since it is an old game I do not want to pay a lot of money. +If you are interested in selling this game please respond to this message. +",6 +"The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains +the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" +refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. +It states that: + >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" + is agreed upon; + >Israel will negiotiate the delegation of power to the organs of the + Interim Self-Government Arrangements (ISGA); + >The ISGA will apply to the ""Palestinian inhabitants of the territories"" + under Israeli military administration. The arrangements will not have a + territorial application, nor will they apply to the Israeli population + of the territories or to the Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem; + >Residual powers not delegated under the ISGA will be reserved by Israel; + >Israelis will continue to live and settle in the territoriesd; + >Israel alone will have responsibility for security in all its aspects- + external, internal- and for the maintenance of public order; + >The organs of the ISGA will be of an administrative-functional nature; + >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and + coordination with Israel. + >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the + areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, + business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, + local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious + affairs. + +Several question do come to mind concerning the ""success"" we all hope for +in the ongoing negotiation process. These arrangements certainly seem to +be essentially a rejection of any Palestinian ""interim"" self-control. +Without exposing itself to unwarranted risks and creating irresversible +vulnerability, can Israel reasonably put forward (at later points in the +negotiating process) more ""relaxed"" proposals for this""interim"" period? +How should proposals (from either side) be altered to temper their +""maximalist"" approaches as stated above? How can Israeli worries ,and +desire for some ""interim control"", be addressed while providing for a +very *real* interim Palestinian self-governing entity? + +Tim + + + +",17 +" +1992 HONDA ACCORD FOR SALE +35,000 MILES +ALL HIGHWAY MILES +EXCELLENT CONDITION +WHITE +EX MODEL ""LOADED"" +$15,000 OR BEST OFFER +call tom @ (201) 653-0638 h + (201) 795-5636 w + +",6 +"i am sorry, but this genoa card does nothing that the ATI ultra plus 2mb +can't do, PLUS the ATI costs 330$US street price .... + +",1 +"Reasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of +Civil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings +attached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that +verdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or +innocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than +objective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be +sacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a +small price to pay for the common good don't you think? + +",18 +"I've been troubleshooting the existence of way too many General Protection +Faults on a 486-33, Eisa-VLB, system. At this point I think I've narrowed +the problem down to the video drivers for the Volante Warp-10 adapter by +National Design, INc. + +Yet somehow I find this hard to believe. Does anyone else have any +experiences with this board.",3 +" +I think you meant Quadra 800 ..... (but a Centris 800 probably +would be a real nice machine... :) ) + +But yeah, it needs 80ns not 60ns. + +Joel +",4 +" +[Warning: Flammage to follow...] + +Ah, that British sense of humor. Probably got a real gut-buster going +when the IRA blew that kid up a couple of weeks ago, huh? Of course, +in Britain, your government has ordered you defenseless, so your way +of coping with violent criminals is to laugh at victims. + + +I don't know about a .45. My own preference is for 9mm. + + +Ah, Canada. Where the criminals don't bother with checking to see +if the victims are home. They just break on in. America's a little +different, you see. Criminals worry a bit more about getting shot, +so they more frequently check to see if anyone's home. + + +I've heard Gun World in Phoenix, Arizona, is fantastic! I'm hoping +to visit there myself soon. + + +Ah, Britain again. Isn't that the place where you're guilty until +proven innocent? Tell me, Mr. ""jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk"" didn't Britain +come begging to us ""gun nut morons"" in the early 1940s for guns to +defend yourselves against Hitler? Seems as though your supposedly +enlightened government had disarmed you: ""Aw chaps, you can jolly +give up your guns. If that Hitler man starts to threaten, we can +always hit up the Yanks for a few guns. They've got a bloody +eccentric habit about those guns, you know. Just hand in your +shotgun, that's it. Thank you."" + + +Ain't it just amazing how those black markets work? Damn if those +drugs from south america keep coming over our borders, too, even +though we've banned them. Guess we might as well legalize them. +Makes you want to send fifty bucks to the Libertarian Party just +thinking about it, doesn't it? + +Your close-minded ignorance is without parallel. I guess that's what +happens when you're raised as a ""subject"" without rights. Your +type gravitates to those who desire to hold power over you. + + +Just chuckle as the cops beat you senseless to get a confession. +Just laugh yourself silly when you find that confession is valid +in court. ""Hey mate, this is justice, British style."" + +Drew ",16 +"Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell. + +ME: ""Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"" +HIM: ""I don't believe in Heaven."" +ME: ""So are you going there?"" +HIM: ""If there was a heaven, I would."" +ME: ""But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"" +HIM: ""No."" + + The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven, +there's no way you're going to be in it. + Of course, the next step is, ""I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I +be there?"" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God. +Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never +see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell. + Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal, +and it's a lot worse than Heaven. That's the only comparison that matters.",15 +" +DMorf (Dave's Morph, I think is what it means) and DTax (Dave's +TGA Assembler) are available in the MSDOS_UPLOADS directory +on the wuarchive. + +They are arjed and bundled with their respective xmemory versions, +dmorfx.exe and dtax.exe, you can also find a version of aaplay.exe +there, with which you can view files you create with dta.exe or +dtax.exe. + +I downloaded the whole bunch last week and have been morphing +away the afternoons since. The programmes are all a bit buggy and +definitely not-ready-to-spread-to-the-masses, but they are very +well written. + +The interface is frustrating at first, but it gets easy once you +figure out the tricks. + +I have noticed that dmorfx will crash horribly if you try to morph +without using the splines option. Not sure why, since I don't have +the source. I think it was written for TP 6.0. + +If anyone else comes up with any other hints on getting the thing +to work right, tell me; it took me several hours the first time +just to figure out that if I just used the durned splines then +it would work... +",1 +" +So what are you? + + +I don't think that, you are just making noise. + + +That's true. I try to learn from people who know more than me, +not from useless farts. + + +Of course, I have said that more times in this group than +anyone else, I'd think. + + +Quite true, that's why I am so careful in selecting quotes. + + +Oh bullshit. Fanatic my bum. Prove your blah or cork it. + + +How would you know what I consider? Read my mind? + + +I looked very closely at a large number of sources. You have no +idea what you are talking about. + + +That's true about the accounts of both Irgun and Arab propagandists. +Like Begin, for example. + + +No, I never got that feeling. I got rather opposite feelings +about people like you, though. + + +Honesty? Perhaps you would explain the testimony from members +of the Irgun, to be found in their own handwriting in the +Irgun Archives in Tel Aviv, that the wounded Arabs were killed, +that a group of 80 prisoners was massacred, that Lehi proposed +exterminating everybody at the pre-raid meeting. Exactly what +reasons can you propose that this testimony should be rejected +in favour of Begin's? + + +This is very funny. You carried on about unsupported evidence, +propagandists, axes to grind, and you end up telling us to stick +to the account of the leader of the alleged killers. You are +obviously a hopeless case, as everyone can plainly see. +",17 +" +I understand Caddy is working on one, double battery, super high perf +engine, more gauges, a bit 'stretched', etc, lots of communication equipment, +the works. Color selection is limited though. + +The problem is that the guy at 1600 Penn. Avenue is about to get it +(Pres. Clinton) (Last time it was a Lincoln, this time a Caddy). + + +Not to my knowledge; I know GM does conversion work for things like +hot climates (i.e. the Chevy Caprices sold to the Middle East) but +things like that are always done by third parties, NOT the manufacturer. +Maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed-up everything, +perhaps the police cruiser package on the Caprice/Crown Vic and start from +there. + + +""And I wuz drivin' along in my armored Seville STS and this punk pulls out +of nowhere with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) but the bulletproof +windshield stopped him"" :-) Don't think many people on the net have a need +for bulletproof cars. + +Check with local armored service companies/security/bodyguard places. They'd +know best. I think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if +you told them ""I'll take the blue Caprice, with options FZ01 (Fuzzy Dice), +PR11 (power everything), and AR007 (Armor). + + +I believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within +the last few months. + +Spiros",7 +" + +There is a certain truth to this statement. Only I would use the word +""medicine"" instead of drug. With regard to the condition of the human +soul, Christianity is first and foremost a healing medicine. It also +strengthens and enables one, as healing takes hold, to grow in new +strength and health to live and be and to do that for which God created +us. + + +Christ's medicine, rightly allowed to work, brings one nearer to +reality and offers the clarity of understanding and the strength +of spirit with which to meet it in a healthy human way. + + +(small spelling correction added)",15 +"I am interfacing some simple circuits that run on 9V to my +cpu board which runs at 5-6V. The optoisolator is a 4N35. +On the led side, I put the signal I want through a 10k resistor +to the base of a 2N2222. On the transistor side, I tie my +cpu input line to the collector which has a pull-up resistor +of 47k. + +It functions OK, but seems VERY slow. I can detect pulses +that occur at about 2kHz, but not much faster. Isn't the +rise/fall time of this device, something like 5uS? I should +be able to detect my target of 40kHz, but I can't get 16kHz. +This is done using wire-wrap and the wires going to the cpu +and to the test pin are about 8 inches long, but I'm not +doing anything high-speed. + +In the Art of Electronics, it mentions tying the base of the +phototransistor to ground through a resistor to improve the +speed. Is that what I need to do? How do I calculate the +resistor value? + + +-- ",12 +"I'm about to buy a new car and finance some of it. Since I paid +cash for the last car I bought I did not have to worry about +whether or not I had a good amount of insurance on it because +of a bank loan. I just put the amount that I wanted (not what +a bank would have wanted). Friends are telling me that banks +require some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it +is collateral on loans. Is this true? Can that insurance be +gotten as part of my other insurance? I assume I don't have to +pay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance. +Am I correct? I hear about accident/health type insurance at +the dealers and I am pretty sure these are just money makers +for them. I just want to verify that I don't _have_ to buy +these at all. Or any other types of extras. + +What do I have to pay for? Car, tax, license. Anything else?",7 +"I have a Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250 tape backup unit in my Gateway +486/33V Tower system. I have found the supplied backup capability to be +fairly unreliable. In approx 3 cases out of 10, I have had the backup fail +at one point or another, often hanging in the middle of writing the tape. +Seek errors, drive communication errors seem to be most common. I use the +DOS backup software from Colorado Memory Systems. Should I return the drive, +get some better backup software, reformat the tapes (am using CMS tapes)? +Any hints would be appreciated - this stuff is to time-consuming to do over +and over again until it cooperates...",3 +" + + + So, how did you guys *learn* this? Is it something you were +born with, or did you make horrible grinding noises the first few +times? (how many times?) + + I would think you'd have to have a certain amount of ""feel"" +for it to begin with. Some people would never get it, and others +(like me) would never have the guts to try it, unless maybe you +were planning to buy a new transmission anyway... + + (BTW, I've heard that quite a few truckers and race car +drivers shift this way).",7 +" +Let's start over. I'm not arguing about who is the better goaltender. I'd +take Soderstrom right now. What I am saying is that Roussel can be a #1 +netminder. The GAA difference is less than half a goal per game (less than +that after last night), their save percentages are close, and their records +are similar. And with that, I just don't see how you can label Roussel as +the most disappointing player on the Flyers this season. + +You say Soderstrom played against better competition. That may very well +be, but there is no way of knowing how Roussel would have performed in +those games. Besides, against the better scoring teams like Pittsburgh, +the defense is more keyed up than they are against San Jose. + + +But I'm not just judging Roussel on that game alone. I've seen him play +for the past two seasons in Philly and before that in Hershey. It's just +my opinion, but I think he's got what it takes. Of course, I thought that +about Mark LaForest, too. But I never did about Wendell Young. So I'm +batting .500 in judging Hershey talent since the Hextall-era. + +As for the Rangers game, you can say he was saved by a mistake by the +offensive player if you like. But Rou had his leg in position to make the +save. If he didn't, it wouldn't have mattered if the Rangers player didn't +get the puck up or not. It would have been a goal. On a breakaway that's +what the goalie wants to do, take away as much as possible and force the +shooter to beat him. + + +I seem to remember Roussel doing an excellent job against Pittsurgh on +opening night to give the Flyers a tie against the two-time defending +champs. And not to take anything away from Soderstrom because he was +senational in that game agains the Habs. But you can't tell me that a +Montreal player had an open net to shoot at some point during that game +and just flat out missed it. Mistakes, both on offense and defense are +part of the game. Or there'd never be shutouts. + +Anyway, I'm happy the Flyers have both Soderstrom and Roussel and +I'm not going to argue about it anymore. Besides, with the current +7-game winning streak and expectations soaring for next year, I +don't want to piss you off to the point that you don't sell me any +tickets next season:-).",10 +"Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of +2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet +Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion +of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical +documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs, +was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors, +program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and +radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide +of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people +of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the +lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is +mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their +lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations +may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and +prosperously. + +------------------------- letter ---------------------------------- + +During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government +has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which +not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the +method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, +Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order +to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, +which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia +continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways: + +1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide +in order to shift international public opinion away from its political +responsibility. + +2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism +Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish +Genocide. + +3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through +the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to +silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. + +4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet +Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through +terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters +of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. + +Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government +is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from +making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. + +Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its +terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks +to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically +exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on +this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of +governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition +of the Turkish Genocide. + +With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial +demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people +will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims +of the Turkish Genocide demand: + +1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian +Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide; + +2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and +Kurdish people; + +3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for +their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide; + +4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially +recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse +to succumb to all Armenian political pressure; + +5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it +has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially +recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be +supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands; + +6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact +of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of +2.5 million Muslim people in their history books. + +The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the +efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first +genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new +generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically +mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through +all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the +armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon +all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in +the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary +of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. + + +Serdar Argic",17 +"ri + + + +I do agree with you, in a way. The war on drugs has failed, but in my opinion, +that doesn't mean we have to give up. Only change the tactics. + +For instance, here are how some penalties should be changed. + +Dealing Coke -- Death +Dealing Heroin -- Death +Dealing Pot -- Death +Dealing Crack -- Death + +The list goes on and on!!!...... + +JUST KIDDING!!! + +However, on a more serious note, I do believe that we should take some money +away from the foriegn operations in South America and costly border +interdiction efforts. (Don't think I'm going to say, ""spend it to educate +people"", because I know plenty of educated dopers). Actually, spend it on +things like drug treatment programs. + +I saw an interesting story on 60 minutes about how the British actually +prescribe and addict his ""recommended"" dosage, and try to ween him off from it, +or cut the amount down to levels where it is ""acceptable"". Sounds good so far +from what I heard with a decrease in cost, lower addiction rates by wiping out +the dealer's markets, etc. (But that was the only thing I have heard about it.) + +However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to be +bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never heard of a +recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal meth and LSD. +The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" cigarettes, pot and heroin.",18 +" + + Check out the May issue of MacWorld; the new servers are on the +cover. Should be at your favorite newstand.",4 +"According to a LoJack representative I saw recently, LoJack must be installed by +an authorized LoJack dealer, and is placed in one of (roughly) 30 spots in the +car... +",7 +" +The ""so sacred it's secret"" explanation is a bit misleading. While +there is a profound reverence for the temple endowment, there is no +injunction against discussing the ceremony itself in public. But +since public discussion is often irreverent, most Mormons would rather +keep silent than have a cherished practice maligned. + +But there are certain elements of the ceremony which participants +explicitly covenant not to reveal except in conjunction with the +ceremony itself. + + +There are other interpretations to Christian history in this matter. +One must recall that most of what we know about the Gnostics was +written by their enemies. Eusebius claims that Jesus imparted secret +information to Peter, James, and John after His resurrection, and that +those apostles transmitted that information to the rest of the Twelve +(Eusebius, _Historia Ecclesiastica_ II 1:3-4). + +Irenaeus claims this information was passed on to the priests and +bishops (_Against Heresies_ IV 33:8), but Eusebius disagrees. He +claims the secret ceremonies of the Christian church perished with the +apostles. Interestingly enough, Eusebius refers to the groups which +we today call Gnostics as promulgators of a false gnosis (Eusebius, +op. cit., III, 32:7-8). His gripe was not that thay professed *a* +gnosis, but that they had the *wrong* one. + +Writings dealing with Jesus' post-resurrection teachings emphasize +secrecy -- not so much a concealment as a policy of not teaching +certain things indiscriminately. In one story, Simon Magus opens a +dialog with Peter on the nature of God. Peter's response is ""You seem +to me not to know what a father and a God is: But I could tell you +both whence souls are, and when and how they were made; but it is not +permitted to me now to disclose these things to you"" (_Clementine +Recognitions_ II, 60). If any one theme underlies the _Recognitions_ +it is the idea that certain doctrines are not to be idly taught, but +can be had after a certain level of spiritual maturity is reached. + +Now one can approach this and other such evidence in many ways. I +don't intend that everyone interpret Christian history as I do, but I +believe that evidence exists (favorably interpreted, of course) of +early Christian rites analogous to those practiced by Mormons today. + + +But if Judaism and Christianity had such ceremonies, would you expect +to read about them in public documents? One can search the Book of +Mormon and other Mormon scripture and find almost no information on +temple worship. Yes, you could establish that Mormons worship in +temples, but you would probably be hard pressed to characterize that +worship. On that basis, can we conclude that the Bible explains *all* +practices which might have taken place, and that absence of such +descriptions proves they did not exist? + +Mormon scholar Dr. Hugh Nibley offers us a list of scriptures from +which I have taken a few: + +1. ""It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of +heaven, but to them it is not given"" (Matt. 13:11). + +2. ""All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given"" +(Matt. 19:11). + +3. ""I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them +now"" (John 16:12). + +4. ""The time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, +but I shall shew you plainly of the Father"" (John 16:25). + +5. ""... unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter"" +(1 Cor. 3:1-2). + +6. ""Many things ... I would not write with paper and ink; but I ... +come unto you and speak face to face"" (2 Jn. 1:12). + +(Nibley, _Since Cumorah_, pp. 92-94) + +Again, these can also be interpreted many different ways. I believe +they serve to show that not all doctrines which could have been taught +were actually taught openly. + + +Historically, Joseph Smith had been adiministering the temple +endowment ceremony for nearly a year before joining the Freemasons. +There is diary evidence which supports a claim that the rite did not +change after Smith became a Mason. It can be argued that Smith had +ample exposure to Masonic proceedings through the burlesque of his +time and through his brother Hyrum (a Mason), though no specific +connection has yet been established. + +My conversations with Masons (with respect to temple rite +transcriptions which have appeared on the net) have led me to believe +that the connection from Masonry to Mormonism is fairly tenuous. As +our moderator notes, most of what was similar was removed in the +recent revisions to the temple ceremony. I believe that critics who +charge that Mormon rites were lifted from Freemasonry do not have +adequate knowledge of the rites in question. +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Jay Windley * University of Utah * Salt Lake City + jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu",15 +" + + +Just curious, Roger, but since you have such a vast knowledge of the +game and the league, how come you haven't made a living out of it? +There must be a lot of demand for expertise in the field. I'm sure +you'd be of great help to, say, the Leafs as an assistant coach or +a scout. Or maybe try a career as a reporter or tv commentator... + +I might be wrong, of course, and you already have.",10 +" + {Description of ""External Tank"" option for SSF redesign deleted} + + +Yo Ken, let's keep on-top of things! Both the ""External Tank"" and +""Wingless Orbiter"" options have been deleted from the SSF redesign +options list. Today's (4/23) edition of the New York Times reports +that O'Connor told the panel that some redesign proposals have +been dropped, such as using the ""giant external fuel tanks used +in launching space shuttles,"" and building a ""station around +an existing space shuttle with its wings and tail removed."" + +Currently, there are three options being considered, as presented +to the advisory panel meeting yesterday (and as reported in +today's Times). + +Option ""A"" - Low Cost Modular Approach +This option is being studied by a team from MSFC. {As an aside, +there are SSF redesign teams at MSFC, JSC, and LaRC supporting +the SRT (Station Redesign Team) in Crystal City. Both LeRC and +Reston folks are also on-site at these locations, helping the respective +teams with their redesign activities.} Key features of this +option are: + - Uses ""Bus-1"", a modular bus developed by Lockheed that's + qualified for STS and ELV's. The bus provides propulsion, GN&C + Communications, & Data Management. Lockheed developed this + for the Air Force. + - A ""Power Station Capability"" is obtained in 3 Shuttle Flights. + SSF Solar arrays are used to provide 20 kW of power. The vehicle + flies in an ""arrow mode"" to optimize the microgravity environment. + Shuttle/Spacelab missions would utilize the vehilce as a power + source for 30 day missions. + - Human tended capability (as opposed to the old SSF sexist term + of man-tended capability) is achieved by the addition of the + US Common module. This is a modified version of the existing + SSF Lab module (docking ports are added for the International + Partners' labs, taking the place of the nodes on SSF). The + Shuttle can be docked to the station for 60 day missions. + The Orbiter would provide crew habitability & EVA capability. + - International Human Tended. Add the NASDA & ESA modules, and + add another 20 kW of power + - Permanent Human Presence Capability. Add a 3rd power module, + the U.S. habitation module, and an ACRV (Assured Crew Return + Vehicle). + +Option ""B"" - Space Station Freedom Derived +The Option ""B"" team is based at LaRC, and is lead by Mike Griffin. +This option looks alot like the existing SSF design, which we +have all come to know and love :) + +This option assumes a lightweight external tank is available for +use on all SSF assembly flights (so does option ""A""). Also, the +number of flights is computed for a 51.6 inclination orbit, +for both options ""A"" and ""B"". + +The build-up occurs in six phases: + - Initial Research Capability reached after 3 flights. Power + is transferred from the vehicle to the Orbiter/Spacelab, when + it visits. + - Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist + language) is achieved after 8 flights. The U.S. Lab is + deployed, and 1 solar power module provides 20 kW of power. + - Permanent Human Presence Capability occurs after 10 flights, by + keeping one Orbiter on-orbit to use as an ACRV (so sometimes + there would be two Orbiters on-orbit - the ACRV, and the + second one that comes up for Logistics & Re-supply). + - A ""Two Fault Tolerance Capability"" is achieved after 14 flights, + with the addition of a 2nd power module, another thermal + control system radiator, and more propulsion modules. + - After 20 flights, the Internationals are on-board. More power, + the Habitation module, and an ACRV are added to finish the + assembly in 24 flights. + +Most of the systems currently on SSF are used as-is in this option, +with the exception of the data management system, which has major +changes.",14 +"ACLU Official Policies. + +Policy 18, for example, opposes rating systems for motion +pictures: ""Industry sponsored ratings systems create the +potential for constraining the creative process and thus +contracting the marketplace of ideas. Despite the stated goal of +providing guidance to parents, experience has shown that ratings +inevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of +expression."" + +In regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, the ACLU states in its +Policy 84: ""The insertion of the words `under God' into the +Pledge of Allegiance is a violation of the constitutional +principle of separation of Church and State."" + +Policy 120 states that, ""Military conscription under any +circumstances is a violation of civil liberties and +constitutional guarantees."" The ACLU objects to the draft even +during wartime because of the ""anti-democratic power it gives +government to wage war without support of the people."" + +Policy 125 states, ""The ACLU calls for a broad-based inquiry into +war crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes +against humanity, and crimes against the peace, focusing upon the +actions of the United States military and other combatants +against the people of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North +Vietnam."" + +Policy 133 states, ""The ACLU recognizes that US government +reliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign +and domestic policy, while propounded as a defense of democracy, +is in fact a great threat to civil liberties. Four decades of +adherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of +our constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount +threat to our civil liberties."" + +Policy 217 objects to roadblocks ""where drivers are stopped for +sobriety tests"" because they ""violate Fourth Amendment +principles."" + +Policy 242 states the following on criminal +sentencing: ""The most appropriate correctional approach is +reintegrating the offender into the community, and the goals of +reintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the +offender within the community than by incarceration. Probation +should be authorized by the legislature in every case; exceptions +to the principle are not favored, and any exceptions, if made, +should be limited to the most serious of offenses, such as murder +or treason."" + + Bill Vojak + vojak@icebucket.stortek.com + NRA, ILA, + Colorado Firearms Coalition +------------------------------------------------------------ +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)",16 +" +-- and -- + + +Good grief; has no one ever heard of Biostatistics?? The University of +Washington (plus 3 or 4 others [Harvard, UNC]) has a department and +advanced degree program in Biostatistics. My wife has an MS Biostat, and +there are plenty of MDs, PhDs, and postdocs doing Biostatistical work. +People do this for a living. Really bright people study for decades to do +this sort of study well. + +Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug +or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised +at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable, +reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover. + +The last study on which my wife worked employed 200 nurses, 100 doctors, +and a dozen Ph.Ds at one University and at 70 hospitals in five nations. I +would think the MSG question could be settled by one lowly Biostat MS +student in a thesis.",13 +"Picture if you will, the Habs going into the last couple minutes of the +game, leading 2-0. The Nords get a power play, pull Hextall, and get +a goal. Bout a minute later, they get another one. Then they win in +overtime...... + +A bad dream?....... + +How's that Red Hot Chili Peppers song go... +""Give it away,give it away, give it away now...."" + +Oh well. Suppose I can always watch the Leafs win tomorrow night.... + (smilies.....) + +Am I the only female hockey fan in the world?",10 +"Why use a ground launch pad. It is entirely posible to launch from altitude. +This was what the Shuttle was originally intended to do! It might be seriously +cheaper. + +Also, what about bio-engineered CO2 absorbing plants instead of many LOX bottles? +Stick 'em in a lunar cave and put an airlock on the door. +",14 +" +I agree. So why is Cylink the only (and expensive) game in town? + +Note: I think Cylink is great, and if my boss would double my salary, I'd buy +a bunch of their stuff :). + +One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of +security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. +This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to +deploy. This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you +look at it :). + + +Great! Where can I buy it? + +Another note: If ""Clipper"" increases the incentive to bring stronger +encryption to the mass market, all the better. It's far overpriced at +the moment. + + +I don't care where we *need* to get it from, I care where we *can* get it +from, and whether it will interoperate with everyone else. + + +You can build them right now as long as you don't want to export (a +restriction I firmly oppose). The only thing stopping people from making +cheap encryption is greed: they want a lock on the market. + + +Oh, come on. Only if you trust it farther than it deserves. A Clipper phone +*IS NOT* a substitute for a Cylink phone, or a STU-III. It's a substitute +for the ""voice scramblers"" advertised in the back of Radio Electronics. + + +I disagree. Modulo ITAR, it's not the government that has sabotaged the +market. + + +Can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right? +",11 +" +Actually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could +be called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were +designated and were given power. Remember that there were many +thousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them +apostles, though.",15 +" +Stuff deleted + + +I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. +No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic.",13 +" + From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff, + Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991 + (ISBN #0-06-272007-4): + + ""The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use + enough caution and get burned. Some people suggest that the + barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is + absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form, + has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. However, + in order to experience the same results, people would have to + consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a + time."" +",13 +"I participated in a promotion by a company called Visual Images. +I attempted to cancel my order before the package arrived. I was +not able to stop them and now I have a package which I do not need. + +Nishika 3D camera, wide angle flesh, film, carring case, instruction +tapes, and some jewelrys. + +3 vacation vouchers to Bahama, Cancun, Las Vegas, Orlando. + +I paid $697 for the promotion package, and the vacation vouchers +came as gift. I really want to sell them, so make me an offer for +the whole package. If you are participating in a award, $697 is how +much you would end up paying. And I strongly believe that you would +get the same award as I do. If you are interested in those items, +you could get them from me for a cheaper price. + +Let me know, and make me an offer. No flames please, I have got enough. + +You could reach me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu",6 +" +Hi Noel, + +I've made some attempts to write a converter that reads Adobe Type 1 fonts, +triangulates them, bevelizes them and extrudes them to result in a generic +3d object which could be used with PoV f.i. + +The problem I'm currently stuck on is that theres no algorithm which +triangulates any arbitrary polygonal shape. Delaunay seems to be limited +to convex hulls. Constrained delaunay may be okay, but I have no code +example of how to do it. + +Another way to do the bartman may be + +- TGA2POV +- A selfmade variation of this, using heightfields. + + Create a b/w picture (BIG) of the text you need, f.i. using a PostScript + previewer. Then, use this as a heightfield. If it is white on black, + the heightfield is exactly the images white parts (it's still open + on the backside). To close it, mirror it and compound it with the original. + +Example: + +object { + union { + height_field { gif ""abp2.gif"" } + height_field { gif ""abp2.gif"" scale <1 -1 1>} + } + texture { + Glass + } + translate <-0.5 0 -0.5> //center + rotate <-90 0 0> // rotate upwards + scale <10 5 100> // scale bigger and thicker + translate <0 2 0> // final placement +} + + +abp2.gif is a GIF of arbitrary size containing ""ABP"" black on white in +Times-Roman 256 points. +",1 +" +Lloyd Pettit. + + +Yes, it is true that he refused to buy a franchise from the NHL for $50M; but +at the time the reason was that the established market for teams was much +less than that. He felt that no one would pay $50M for an expansion team, and +that he would simply wait to buy an existing franchise for less than that. But +the market fooled him, and 5 teams have been created for $50M apiece in the +last three years, and even the existing teams can't be moved for less than +$50M and I doubt that he could get one for that little. + +Pettit gambled and lost. Now he'll have to pay more.",10 +"I am involve in a Distant Learning project and am in need +of Jpeg and Mpeg encode/decode source and object code. +This is a NOT-FOR PROFIT project that once completed I +hope to release to other educational and institutional +learning centers. +This project requires that TRUE photographic images be sent +over plain telephone lines. In addition if there is a REAL Good +GUI lib with 3D objects and all types of menu classes that can +be use at both end of the transaction (Server and Terminal End) +I would like to hear about it. + +We recently posted an RFD announcing the OTG (Open Telematic Group) +that will concern itself with the developement of such application +and that it would incorporate NAPLPS, JPEG, MPEG, Voice, IVR, FAX +Sprites, Animation(fli, flc, etc...). +At present only DOS and UNIX environment is being worked on and it +our hope that we can generate enough interest where all the major +platform can be accomodated via a plaform independent API/TOOLKIT/SDK +We are of the mind that it is about time that such project and group +be form to deal with these issues. +We want to setup a repository where these files may be access such as +Simte20 and start putting together a OTG FAQ. +If you have some or any information that in your opinion would be +of interest to the OTG community and you like to see included in our +first FAQ please send it email to the address below. + +Thanks in Advance + +Ed +P.O. box 95901 +Atlanta Ga. 30347-0901 +(404)985-1198 zyxel 14.4 +epimntl@world.std.com +ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org + +",1 +" +You obviously don't understand how TV scheduling works. ESPN had +prior contracts to baseball to show Monday night games and had +contracted all the other bs shows well in advance. The NHL TV deal +was very late in the scheduling process (you normally have to do this +one-plus year out. The NHL package was finished two weeks before the +season started). ESPN has shown tremendous commitment to the NHL by +squeezing in extra telecasts when it could (like the last Minnesota +game) and putting Stanley Cup games as backup to their baseball +telecasts (which by favorable circumstances they could pull off last +night). + +But the bottom line is that ESPN cannot break contracts at will. They +must honor the previous deals they made. $$$$ _does_ have something +to do with it, especially if you risk a $$$$$$$$ lawsuit for breach of +contract with baseball. + +So relax. I'm happy. (I don't get SportsChannel anyway).",10 +" +Pocklington just wanted to wake up the powers that be holding political +office, in Northlands, and in the business community that the Oilers +with their current lease arrangement are in a state where on a yearly +basis they will likely have an operating loss based on ""normal"" hockey +revenues and expenses. That he did this was a good thing...it is better +he complain early, and make the city aware of a potential looming crisis +before he begins to lose millions and millions of dollars...which would +truly jeopardize the franchise. + +Pocklington's first option is not to sell or to move, but to sell +a minority share of the team (to realize some of the appreciated value +of the team) and to get a better arena deal, either in Northlands, or +via a new building. Pocklington probably isn't going to get exactly +what he wants...but ultimately he will probably get enough, or will +sell to someone who will probably get enough. + +There are a lot of risks in moving a team also... + +...one has to remember ""Peter Puck's principle""...it is better to +spend other people's money than one's own if at all possible.",10 +"I have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal +with 1200 external hyess modem +amber screens 101 keyboard,cable +make an offer +0 +",6 +"Hello, + + I am having a small problem with my sound blaster pro and a game. +Is there a utility out there that would tell me what DMA's my system +is using? +",3 +" +MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to +defect first. + +Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey +players, until the political situation in those countries changed.",10 +"It was announced on NPR 4/17/93 10:00 am EDT, that Turkish President Ozal died +of a heart attack in Ankara. + +",17 +"I've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and +ministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event. +(About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay?? +I know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose +un-important, but I still can't help be curious! + +--------------------------------------------------- +Ivan Thomas Barr + +Contact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk + +[The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess. Luke's prolog is +about the only thing we have from the author describing his process. +The prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do +some investigating. There are traditions passed down verbally that +say a few things about the composition of the Gospels. There are +debates about how reliable these traditions are. They certainly don't +have the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them +seriously. One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and +was written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die. +One tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words +may have been made earlier than the current Gospels. + +In the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal +transmission of information. I think many people would have preferred +to hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe +even from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather +than from a book. Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a +period when these people were beginning to die. Scholars generally do +think there was some written material earlier, which was probably used +as sources for the existing Gospels. + +Establishing the dates is a complex and technical business. I have to +confess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods +used. But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64 +AD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the +Century. A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the +other.",15 +" +This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the +Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the +chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the +clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt +synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager. + +Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra. +On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the +Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind +mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the +handshake is entirely handled by the chip.",4 +" +Someone tell me there's a :-) hidden here somewhere... ??? +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder",9 +"I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I am having with +my Gateway 2000 486-33DX VL-Bus system with ATI Graphics Ultra Pro LB. +When I have my computer in any resolution other than 800x600, everything is +fine, but whenever I use it in 800x600 (Windows, AutoCAD, GIFs) the screen +gets about 1 1/2 inches shorter. At the very top and very bottom of the screen +there is about a 3/4"" bar of black. The screen isn't cut off, it just squeezes +everything into the smaller space and messes up the aspect ratio. While I can +manually change the V-Size on the back, this is a pain in the ass, and it just +shouldn't happen anyway. I've called Gateway numerous times and they haven't +been able to help me at all. Two different times they sent me a new card, and +both times the new card didn't work at all in my computer. They even tried +to bill me for the first card because they didn't get it back in a couple of +days, when they TOLD me over the phone that they would wait more than 2 weeks +before billing my card. But their customer support is a different story... +So, if anyone has had this same problem, please let me know if you know what +to do. Hell, let me know if you don't have a solution, just so I know I'm +not the only one with this problem. Thanks in advance. + +Jude M. Greer +jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu",3 +"Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and +we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish +baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up +with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and +maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know +it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but +humor us. Thanks for your help.",9 +"(posted for a friend) +hello there, + I would like to know if any one had any experience with having +on-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power +lines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design. +any data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers +are appreciated.",12 +"they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next +year with all new models. +",7 +,2 +"Can anybody tell me if they know where I can obtain the source code for +a polygon filling algorithm, or any other graphics orientated mailing lists +that may be able to help me. + +Thanks, Paul. +-- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------",5 +" + + + +Come to Louisiana where it is LEGAL to carry concealed weapons on a bike! + + ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----",8 +"%>I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he +%>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that +%>Euro-blooded boy back!!! +% +% Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America +% as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his +% North American heritage back a lot further than most of us. + + + + +Don't you Canadians understand sarcasm? Sometimes the reader must +decide that what he's reading is so ludicrous that it must mean +the opposite of what it said... + +Kinda like the ""Toronto's going to win the Cup"" posts. Yeah. Right. +And cows can fly... + + + +Geez, Gerald. Like anyone reading rec.flamefest.hockey.pens.are.great +didn't know that Le-Mow was from Quebec.",10 +"""Bare"" = case, a power supply, and a motherboard (with RAM and a coprocessor). +Everything else is yours to add as you like. + +The motherboard: + - US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU + - 64kb SRAM cache + - 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $120 alone) + - Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone) + - Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1 + - Latest version Phoenix BIOS + +The case/power supply: + - Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors. + - Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal). + +*New* Micronics CPUs often command a several-hundred dollar premium +over clone motherboards because they are US-made, use high-quality +components, and are known to be both very reliable and compatible. They +have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and Zeos at various +points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages of Byte or PC +Magazine if you want to see this price differential for yourself.) + +Price: $450 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and +power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details +or for any questions. + +Thanks!",6 +" +Good statement! Should we apply empirical measurements to define exact +social morals? Should morals be based on social rules? On ancient +religious doctrines? It seems there will *NEVER* be a common and single +denominator for defining morals, and as such defining absolute +and objective morals is doomed to fail as long as humans have +this incredible talent of creative thinking. + +Cheers, +Kent",0 +" + Yow - get some sleep Brad! You mean that people (i.e. life-is-cheap +terrorists & drug-dealing warlords) who want to communicate in privacy will +prefer to break into my house, kill or kidnap me, and steal my telephone, +rather than: + + - Spending $15 at K-mart to buy a new phone. + + - Purchasing a load of phones from the black market / flea market / + super market. + + - Talking (*gasp*) face-to-face. + + - Walking down to any one of millions of pay phones. + + - Using messengers. + + - Going to excruciating effort to think of code phrases like ""I had + a blowout on the freeway today"". + + Look, this system does nothing to threaten folks who _know_ they're +being wiretapped, since it's trivial to find other avenues of communication; +they'd have no reason to resort to extreme measures, since a plethora of +simple alternatives are easily available to them. + + Among all the legitimate reasons to damn the proposed system, I don't +think we need to worry about terrorist commie drug warlord assasin thugs +murdering our families, kicking the dog and leaving the toilet seat up just +to steal a $15 telephone. The system is more like urine testing: it +catches some small number of very stupid people, has no effect on the ""bad +guys"" with at least three neurons working in unison who wish to subvert it, +and penalizes most heavily those who have no cause to be subject to it.",11 +"Can anyone out there tell me how to get the total number of color cells +allocated in the default colormap? + +e.g. colormap = DefaultColormap(mydisplay, myscreen); + +The MAXIMUM number of allocated cells is given by DefaultCells(mydisplay, +myscreen), but in general the number of cells actually allocated will be +much less than this, depending on the color requirements of the windows +currently in place. I'd like a way to determine this number. Thanks in +advance! + +Derek + +-----------------------------------------------------------",5 +" >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to + >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you + >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a + >... + +You consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to +learn from your article? Treat people like dogs?",16 +"Several recent posts have identified the English word 'Easter' with +the Babylonian goddess 'Ishtar'. + +'Easter' is a pagan word all right, but it has nothing to do with Ishtar. +If 'Easter' and 'Ishtar' were related, their history would show it. +But in Old English, Easter was 'Eostre', cognate with English 'East' +and German 'Ost'. The reconstructed Proto-Germanic form is 'Austron'. +Not until after 1400 did 'Easter' have a high front vowel like 'Ishtar'. +Clearly, the two words have quite separate origins. + +There may be neo-pagans who worship Ishtar at Easter, but if so, they +are making either a mistake of etymology, or a deliberate play on words. + +-- Michael Covington (Ph.D., linguistics) + + +",15 +" + + +No, you have completely misunderstood. I was opposed to intervention in +Somalia for the same reason I am opposed to intervention in Bosnia - there is +no security interest of the United States there which justifies risking the +lives of American servicemen, and there are too many crises in the world for us +to take on all of them. In the case of Bosnia, the risks are obviously much +greater, and there are other countries in a much better position and with far +better reasons to take action than the US. + + +You continue to misunderstand. I did not say the reason why people want to +intervene is because of racist (<- you seem to be overly fond of using this +word, btw. I said the phenomenon was race-related, which is not the same as +racist. Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for you to grasp) motives - I +said the attention and outrage at the entire Yugoslavian situation was a result +of it being 1) closer to home, 2) happening to people we can identify with, and +3) relentlessly harped on by the media. I never said anything about which side +would be preferred, which has a lot more to do with the presentation of the +conflict than any psychological factors. I think there is no doubt that despite +the fact we intervened in Somalia, the level of attention devoted to there was +considerably less than what is devoted to Bosnia, if the newspapers and tv news +I see are any guide. +",17 +"Just to complete that thought, the cooling towers cool water that +circulates through heat exchangers that recondense the turbine +exhaust back into feedwater for the heat exchangers that transfer +energy from the reactor's cooling circuit. + + + |---------------| |------turbine, etc---| |---------| + | > > > > . +reactor < < < > . + | > > > > C. T. + |---------------| |--------------------| |---------- + +The reactor has a closed loop circuit to prevent radioactive +contamination of the the turbine feedwater. + +The cooling tower is a separate circuit to avoide contamination of +the turbine feedwater with atmospheric contamininats, etc. +Purifying boiler feedwater is important business at both fossil +fired and nuclear generation facilities. + +",12 +"My friend, David Gordon wants to sell his 1989 Honda. Some of the details of th +e car are as follows: + + Five speed + A/c, AM/FM/Cassette stereo + ps/pb + Rear window defroster + EXCELLENT CONDITION + +Asking 6400.00 OBO.",7 +"Kent: With all due respect, how can I take you seriously, when you have +the NAMES wrong in the 1st place? E.g.: + + + There is no such thing. The correct name is Ancient & Mystical +Order Rosae Crucis, abbreviated AMORC. + + + There is no such thing either. It's the Rosicrucian Fellowship. +And they clearly state that they DO NOT pretend to descend from the +Order of the Fama Fraternitatis. + + +The Lectorium? And who else? + + +These are NOT Rosicrucian ""orders"". They are Masonic study groups, none +of which *claims* to be descendant of the original Order. + +What is ORC? If you mean AMORC, you didn't even learn the correct +name?!",19 +" + + + + +",18 +" +Standard colormaps were spec'd with the intention that window managers +would make them available. This doesn't mean that every window manager +author in the world immediately dropped everything they were doing and +implemented this at top priority. + +The ESGE server we ship makes the XA_RGB_BEST_MAP available at +startup. It doesn't wait for window managers to do it. + + +Does your hardware have only one CLUT? Since standard colormaps +typically devour all 256 entries, there is no way it can avoid +displacing the entire default colormap if your hardware has only one +CLUT. + +I don't believe standard colormaps are intended to aboid possible +colormap flashing between clients using the default coilormap. Rather, +colormap flashing will be avoided between two clients that use the +same standard colormap. An example would be two clients that need a +full color range would both use XA_RGB_BEST_MAP (or whatever it's +called under X11R5). + +If you are trying to avoid colormap flashing with the default +colormap, your best bet is to try to load all the colors you use into +that colormap. If you can't do that, then you'll get flashing on a one +hw CLUT framebuffer. + +Now if your window manager used the same standard colormap as your +client, this flashing could also be avoided. Perhaps some window +managers have command line options for selecting standard colormaps? +-- ",5 +" + +Hmmmmmm....put your butt in the seat and follow the road signs? +",8 +"I have before me a pertinent report from the United States General +Accounting Office: + +National Aero-Space Plane: Restructuring Future Research and Development +Efforts +December 1992 +Report number GAO/NSIAD-93-71 + +In the back it lists the following related reports: + +NASP: Key Issues Facing the Program (31 Mar 92) GAO/T-NSIAD-92-26 + +Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Japan and Australia +(4 Oct 91) GAO/NSIAD-92-5 + +Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Europe (25 July 91) +GAO/NSIAD-91-194 + +Aerospace Technology: Technical Data and Information on Foreign +Test Facilities (22 Jun 90) GAO/NSIAD-90-71FS + +Investment in Foreign Aerospace Vehicle Research and Technological +Development Efforts (2 Aug 89) GAO/T-NSIAD-89-43 + +NASP: A Technology Development and Demonstration Program to Build +the X-30 (27 Apr 88) GAO/NSIAD-88-122 + + +On the inside back cover, under ""Ordering Information"" it says + +""The first copy of each GAO report is free. . . . Orders +may also be placed by calling (202)275-6241 +"" + +Dani +",14 +" +I think that they go to divisional records before goals, but I could be +wrong, too. + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 +"The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to: +1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might + have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with + it or actually having this disorder ) and +2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated + with seizures over the internet. + +Recently, I had a baby boy born with seizures which occured 12-15 hours +after birth. He was immediately transferred to a major hospital in Boston +and has since been undergoing extensive drug treatment for his condition. +This has been a major learning experience for me and my wife not only in +learning the medical problems that faced our son but also in dealing with +hospitals, procedures...etc. + +I don't want to go into a lot of detail, but his condition was termed +quite severe at first then slowly he began to grow and put on weight +as a normal baby would. He was put on the standard anti-convulsion drugs +and that did not seem to help out. His MRI, EKG, cat-scans are all normal, +but the EEG's show alot of seizure activity. After many metabolic tests, +body structure tests, and infection/virus tests the doctors still do not +know quite what type of siezures he is having (although they do have alot +of evidence that it is now pointing to infantile spasms ). This is where +we stand right now....",13 +"True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! + +Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from +Montreal. + +Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) + +Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick. +",10 +" +Ya, Fat Chance. The ""offending"" rider was a moto journalist. Those +guys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and +as such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes. + +One way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of +one mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked.",8 +" +Short reply: We can never achieve perfect health, yet we always strive for it. +We don't seek to do God's will because we're forced to, we follow His way +because His way is best. The reason it's hard is because we are flawed, not +because He's unreasonable. But we seek to follow His way because we want to +improve ourselves and our lives.",15 +"#>So instead of calling it interest on deposits, you call it *returns on investements* +#>and instead of calling loans you call it *investing in business* (that is in other words +#>floating stocks in your company). +# +#No, interest is different from a return on an investment. For one +#thing, a return on an investment has greater risk, and not a set return +#(i.e. the amount of money you make can go up or down, or you might even +#lose money). The difference is, the risk of loss is shared by the +#investor, rather than practically all the risk being taken by the +#borrower when the borrower borrows from the bank. +# + +But is it different from stocks ? If you wish to call an investor in stocks as +a banker, well then its your choice ..... + +#>Relabeling does not make it interest free !! +# +#It is not just relabeling, as I have explained above. + +It *is* relabeling ... +Also its still not interest free. The investor is still taking some money ... as +dividend on his investment ... ofcourse the investor (in islamic *banking*, its your +so called *bank*) is taking more risk than the usual bank, but its still getting some +thing back in return .... + +Also have you heard of junk bonds ??? + + +---Vinayak +------------------------------------------------------- + vinayak dutt + e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu + + standard disclaimers apply",0 +"I have the EuroWiper boots in White and had to throw away the first pair +since I found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black. Now +I have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty. I need +a way to clean them w/o removing them since I had to cut them to remove +them, is there a way? Or should I just buy black ones? +thanks +-Joel + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Joel Sprechman sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu +University at Buffalo v069pff7@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu",7 +" + +------------ Part 14 of 14 ------------ +M<1D9&;""P4U/M[>V+BXN+-#0T-#0TQ33%Q6=G9V=G#P\/#P\/9V?%Q<7%Q30T +M-#0T-#0TBXOM[>WM4U.PL+""P&1D9&1D9&1D9&1D9&1D9&1D9&1D9<7%Q<7$9 +M&7%Q<7%Q<=+2TCT]/9F9F0,#7EY>N[N[*BHJ>GIZW]_?W]_?W]]'1T='I:6E +MI4='I:6E""PL+""V9FQ,0Q,8>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AS$Q,<3$ +MQ&9F9F9F""PL+""PL+I:6EI:6EI4='1T='1T='W]_?>GIZ*BJ[N[N[NUY>`P.9 +MF3W2<1D9&;""P4U/M[8N+-#0T-#0T-#0T-#0T-#0T-,7%Q<7%9V=G9V=G9P\/ +M#TQ,3$Q,3(F)B8F)B8F)B8F)B8F)B8F)B8F)B4Q,3$Q,3$Q,3`\/9\7%Q<4T +M-(N+[;`9<=(]F0->NRIZWT='I0MF9L3$,8>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' 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The guy's just a +stuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie +Meeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day. + +George +",10 +" +My Native American Girlfriend asks: ""If the government really doesn't +'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still +busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places? +You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church +at gunpoint.""",16 +"I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct +Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a +line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run +to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going +to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to +another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have +any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's ""Electronic +Projects for Musicians"" book (which I am having a hell of a time +tracking down...)? + +Thanks a lot! + +.s. + +PS: Post or email. I read this group...",12 +"Koc) responded to article <1993Apr22.152937.14766@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu. + +[DD] Problem 1 +[DD] +[DD] My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the +[DD] Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed +[DD] extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the +[DD] Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. +[DD] The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the +[DD] soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. +[DD] The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to +[DD] Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers +[DD] there were before the massacre. + +[Koc] Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 + +Good for you! You win the prize -- a free trip to Karabakh as an Azeri +soldier! Now, calculate the odds of you coming back after trying to de-populate +the area of Armenians! + +[Koc] Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After +[Koc] all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. + +Fact: I didn't notice any mention of Turks in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon in + this seventh century story! + +Fact: These places were filled with Armenians as of 1915. + +Fact: By the end of 1916, after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, there + were no Armenians left in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon -- only Turks and + Kurds! In fact, there were no Pontus Greeks left alive in Trebizon + either! + +Conclusion: Numbers don't lie in either case! + + ",17 +" +Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!",8 +" +Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) + +Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. + +Brian West",0 +" +Didn't you read the instructions first?? +You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be +distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you. +That's why it's called ""Chain *Wax*"".",8 +" +`My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with +`another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right +`on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? + +Well, I figured out how the jumpers go. Now I have quite a different +problem that has me perplexed like you wouldn't know. I have both drives +working, the C: system formatted and all of my hardware installed. Only +problem is, that during the boot up sequence, the computer does not want +to pass up looking for a system on the A: drive. + +Reinitialization all goes fine and the BIOS seems to be configured to +what is necessary. All the drive tests work, but when the thing comes +back around to the a: drive and there is no disk present, it just spins. +If you insert a disk into drive a with a system however, it works fine +and boots up (ie how installed all my software) + +Any additional help on this will be most welcome.... + +swood +",3 +"In turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) + + +I regard love as no more or less ""benign"" than any other Christian does. +You are merely expressing ""approval"" of the consequences I find therein. +Which says more about our politics and cultural trappings than about my +(or any) religion. ""Love"" is a highly ambiguous word, of which Christians +can write both the ""gentle"" words Paul uses of it in 1 Corinthians -- in +a passage that even the ""conservatives"" will quote at you :-) -- and the +words of T. S. Eliot in his Pentacost Hymn, ""Love is the unfamiliar Name +that wove the intolerable shirt of flame ..."" + +This is in any case rather to the side of what I was attempting to raise +in my note, as will become more evident below. + + +blechhh. I think you are misreading me, rather seriously. Though, +given my principle that one CANNOT force one's own notion of ""sin"" on +another, and my unshakeable ""disestablishmentarianism"", Russel Turpin +and others (believers and unbelievers alike) are under no threat of my +legislating my own understanding of Christian love. + + +You misread. I can do (and have repeatedly done) a complete bill of +accusation against the Inquisition by exhibiting in as thorough a form +as anyone might want a demonstration of the harm it has done to human +beings (in the first place) and to respect for (let alone love of) ""God"" +in near succession. Please go back to my quoted words above: + +The ""possibility that always exists"" is that I (or, to revert to proper +time sequence, my predecessors over the last several centuries) could +persuade ""Christian B"" of my case that the Inquisition *does* indeed +constitute an egregious violation of the Law of Love. I must also note +that the majority of Christians HAVE been so persuaded. By Christian +argumentation, as well as by secular [both Christian and non-Christian] +prohibitions. + +What Mr. Turpin alludes to is a trickier point: + + A. I demonstrate the human pain and violation of love involved + in the Inquisition. + + B. The Inquisitor responds that Mother Church must, however + painful this *seems*, ""discipline"" her children for their + own good -- in this case the salvation of their souls (or + if the tortured heretic will not recant, than by bad example + ""deterring"" others from the same loss-of-soul.) + + A. I point out that this ""justification"" of a failure in love + depends on a highly speculative construal of texts and of + philosophical assertions that are quite undemonstrable. + + B. Burns me at the stake. + +My rhetoric has failed, but the point I am making is sustained. What is +going on here has a *lot* to do with ""cultural baggage."" In this case, +the baggage includes a (nearly universal, and absolutely secular) belief +that an accused person must prove innocence and that testimony is most +believable if taken under torture. The elimination of Inqisitorial +practice (in those places where it *has* been eliminated, or at least +greatly reduced) has very little, if anything, to do with the discussion +of sin in the exchange between A and B. + +Mr. Turpin is pointing out that, if I am A versus the Grand Inquisitor's B, +then my persuasion is not very likely to work. I know this; and in what- +ever personal agony, I consign the issue to God and my ghostly defense +attorney. So, ""one possibility"" fails in this case -- as it will fail in +may others. At the other extreme, the ""persuasion"" will succeed when it +properly SHOULD not, if it entails mistaken assumptions I share with the +Inquisitor. And that is potentially an even more troubling case, in that +many of the victims of Inquisition will have ""accepted"" that they were in +fact sinful (in such random cases as they may actually have been guilty +of charges brought against them.) + +The point is that the ""persuasion"" breaks down when the parties do NOT +share enough to agree on all the cultural baggage -- and given the main +thrust of the Inquisition, against ""heresy"", it is *bound* to break down +in precisely the ""worst"" cases. The ""conservative"" (I don't think that +is the right word, BTW) will take refuge in what I attribute to B above, +that he is ""justified"" in causing harm because he *thinks* that works to +a ""greater good."" But this is a violent and extravagant REFUSAL to follow +the gospel, as if one's theories about ""sin"" entitled one to cast aside +Jesus' words on dealing with sinners (cf. Matthew 5:39ff). + +I am a ""radical"" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously. + + +Well, the whole *point* of making these the ""base"" commandments is that +they *aren't* reducible to rules. A set of rules is a moral code or a +law code or an algorithm for acting. Such things can be very helpful +to individuals or societies -- but not if they are used *instead* of a +personal involvement in and responsibility for one's actions. The Great +Commandment is, more than anything else, a call to act *as if you were +God and accepting ultimate responsibility* in your every action. A +demand that I, like most, would rather *not* hear, but it keeps popping +up nonetheless (along with the reassurance that it is more important +that I be open to trying this, than succeeding at it). ""Conservatives"" +may twist this ""act as if you were God"" to mean ""lay down rules for other +people and be as nasty to them as possible if they don't keep YOUR rules."" +They are so insistent (and obvious) about this that they have convinced a +lot of people (who rightly reject the whole concept!) that such idiocy +IS how God acts. That, after all, is the standard accusation ""against +God"" by the atheists here and elsewhere. That the ""conservatives"" have +confused THEIR manipulative, hoop-jumping notions of coercing other +people with the Nature of God is almost the entire content of standard +American atheism -- and I quite agree with it on this point. + + +And different bodies of Christians have, from the beginning, urged +*different* ""ethical systems"" (or in some cases, none). As a result, +it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems, however popular +(or infamous) with Christianity. Christianity DOES NOT HAVE A TORAH. +It does not have a QU'RAN. Specifically Christian scripture has very +little, if anything, in the way of ""commandments"" -- so little that +the ""Christians"" who desperately *want* commandments go ""mining"" for +them with almost no support (and thus almost no obvious limitation :-)) +for their efforts. The one, single, thing in the gospels which Jesus +specifically ""gives"" as ""a commandment"" to us is ""love one another."" + + [I will be expanding on this point in a reply to Paul Hudson + that I hope to get to in a day or so -- it is quite true that + SOME Christians infer LOTS of commandments from the NT; I'll + point out what has to be going on in these inferences, and why + there is a huge amount of ""cultural baggage"" involved.] + +You are quite right that this is ""goo"" if one is looking for an ethical +system. + +But why should anyone BE looking for an ethical system, since our +society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do? It +may be that we need a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems +-- in which case I will profer the _agapate allelou_ once again. + + +I think you are begging the question. Why don't I and the (myriads +of) other Christians like me tell you something about Christianity? +[Nor is this very new in Christianity -- you might want to look up +the origins and fundamental doctrines of the Quakers, from the 17th +century onwards, and they are not at all the first to understand the +gospel in a manner that is congenial to my case.]",19 +" + + + +Of course it releases radiation! Thats why your car goes faster when +you punch the holes in it. All that radiation gets on your engine +and gives it ""pep"" (scientific term). You get more horsepower & +torque too! If you don't know what HP & torque are, you can read +mile long threads on the subject, but they are all wrong. Horsepower +is how much power a horse can make pulling a Subaru, and torque is +a name invented by Craftsman for a wrench.",7 +" +We all know this will never happen. Because the Police are under the wings +of Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens. + +Government pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than +Citizens.",16 +": [deletions] +: +: > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of +: > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making +: > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? +: +: The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. +: + +I think i heard someplace (misc.legal?, comp.org.eff.talk?) that the courts +have pretty much eliminated the fourth amendment already. +",11 +"Well, it seems the ""National Sales Tax"" has gotten its very + own CNN news LOGO! + + Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often. + + Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this + seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching + time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by + now. + + YEAH! Free HEALTH CARE! Oh, yeeaaaahhhh! + + heh heh + + "" Bill makes me feel like DANCING! "" + + MORE AMAZING PREDICTIONS FROM THE INCREDIBLE BROMEISTER! + -------------------------------------------------------- + + We take you back to Feburary 20th, when the INCREDIBLE + BROMEISTER PREDICTED: + + "" $1,000 per middle class taxpayer in NEW TAXES "" + + "" A NATIONAL SALES TAX "" + + Now, for more AAMMMAAAAZZZZZZIINNNNGGGGG Predictions! + + i) The NST will be raised from 3% to 5% by 1996. + Ooops. They ALREADY DID it. + + Okay, then. The NST will be raised from 5% to 7% by 1996. + + ii) Unemployment will rise! + + iii) Tax revenues will decline. Deficit will increase! + We'll get another DEFICIT REDUCTION PACKAGE by 1997! + Everyone will DANCE AND SING! + + Yup. I'm gonna bail out of here + at 1 PM, amble on down to the lake. Hang out. Sit + in the sun and take it EASY! :) Yeah! + + I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who + was saying that "" Clinton didn't propose a NST "". + + To paraphrase Hilary Clinton - "" I will not raise taxes on + the middle class to pay for my programs """,18 +"To following up my own note: +: : +: : It looks like everything works as advertised but I am disappointed +: : with the speed. I'm using an Intel 400 internal 14.4k modem in the PC +: : with Telebit 14.4k on the Unix end, which are currently limited to +: : 19.2Kbits by the Unix com link. To get a quantitative comparison, I +: : did 'cat file' where ""file"" is 20 kbyte uncompressed ascii text, and +: : it took 75 seconds to scroll through an X window over the modem link, +: : 270 chars/sec. Using the identical hardware and Procomm+FW the same +: : ""cat file' takes 11 seconds, 1820 chars/sec. BTW, I use NCD PC XView +: : on my PC at work (HP) every day for the same Unix access from a PC over +: : a LAN and like that just fine. The same 'cat file' scrolls by in +: : ~2 seconds on the LAN connection. + +I just tried a few experiments. I cat'd a 20261-byte file (471 lines) +under various scenarios: + +PC-Xview for DOS in a full-screen OS/2 window (1024x768x16): 18 sec +Telix (DOS) in an OS/2 window (1024xs768x256): 107 sec! +Telix (DOS) is a full-screen OS/2 window (standard VGA): 11 sec +Telix (DOS) in a Windows 3.1 window (1024x768x256): 30 sec +UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window (1024x768x256): gave up after 4 min! +UW/WIN in Windows 3.1 (1024x768x256): faster, but gave up after 2 min +UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window using pg 30 sec, could have been a + little faster (I had to keep + hitting the space bar) + +I was using an ATI Wonder XL video card, by the way. + +So PC-Xview for DOS looks pretty good (and the line-by-line scrolling +in OS/2 desktop looks pathetic, although full-page redraws are pretty +good). + +I tried it under PC-Xview using my normal (9x15bold or 10x20) font, +and with a very small font, and there was no difference in the times. +The modem receive light was on pretty solidly, so it looks like the +bottleneck was the 9600-baud modem, not the screen drawing. +",3 +" + +So, did the Jews kill the Germans? +You even make Armenians laugh. + +""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the + systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of + the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at + least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The + memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and + eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in + 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" + (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990) + + +Yes. To be exact, Armenians slaughtered 2.5 million Muslim people between +1914 and 1920. + + +Source #1: McCarthy, J., ""Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman + Anatolia and the End of the Empire,"" New York University Press, + New York, 1983, pp. 133-144. + +Source #2: Hovannisian, Richard G., ""Armenia on the Road to Independence, + 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), + 1967, p. 13. + +Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. +University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. + +""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the + area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population + of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were + Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. + Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third + of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the + Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan + uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians + as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, + however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the + guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 + inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character + notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian + Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the + southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" + (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of + Transcaucasia). + +In 1920, '0' percent Turk. + +""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as + ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work + of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. + Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts + into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable + and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets + completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They + found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border + into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole + length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to + Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain + plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of + Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for + howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the + scattered bones of the dead."" + + Ohanus Appressian + ""Men Are Like That"" + p. 202. + + + SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN + HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS + +1. ""The Armenian Revolutionary Movement"" by Louise Nalbandian, + University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975 + +2. ""Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902"" by William I. Lenger, Professor + of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951 + +3. ""Turkey in Europe"" by Sir Charles Elliot, + Edward & Arnold, London, 1900 + +4. 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Hartill, + Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928 + +13.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, + Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 + +14.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, + Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 + +15.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, + The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 + (Spring 1964) + +16.""Armenia on the Road to Independence"" by Richard G. Hovanessian, + University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967 + +17.""The Rebirth of Turkey"" by Clair Price, + Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923 + +18.""Caucasian Battlefields"" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff, + Cambridge, 1953 + +19.""Partition of Turkey"" by Harry N. Howard, + H. Fertig, New York, 1966 + +20.""The King-Crane Commission"" by Harry N. Howard, + Beirut, 1963 + +21.""United States Policy and Partition of Turkey"" by Laurence Evans, + John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965 + +22.""British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence"" by Gothard + Jaeschke + +1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: + Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., + Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, ""The Armenian + Question in Turkey"") + +2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. + +3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni + Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. + +4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" + Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. + +T.C. 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(ed.); ""Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"" +(Istanbul, 1977). +Ercikan, A.; ""Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"" +(Ankara, 1949). +Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', ""Turk Tarihinde +Ermeniler Sempozyumu,"" (Izmir, 1983). +Hocaoglu, M.; ""Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"" +(Istanbul, 1976). +Karal, E. S.; ""Osmanli Tarihi,"" V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.); +V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara. +Kurat, Y. T.; ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi,"" (Ankara, 1976). +Orel, S./S. Yuca; ""Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin +Icyuzu,"" (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.] +Ahmad, F.; ""The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in +Turkish Politics,"" (Oxford, 1969). + +Serdar Argic",17 +" + I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines +are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart +hardware?) + + The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short +time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not +available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize +it, but it's going to get a different bitstream. + + It is horribly naive to suppose that regular folks can figure +out how to crack skipjack, or clipper based telephones. I'm certainly +not devoting a great deal of thought to it.",11 +"Thanks for the info. I assume that this is for MFC 1.0. Does anyone +know if this will work with MFC 2.0, or what else needs to be done? +Thanks.",2 +"Taft Electronics, 45th Street between 5th & 6th -- the only one left in +what was once an entire district of electronics stores. A little expensive. + +Trans-Am Electronics, Canal Street near 7th Ave -- lots of surplus type +stuff. + +Several other electronics or ""surplus"" type places are still on Canal +Street. + +I think Bronx Wholesale Radio is still in business -- Fordham Road not +too far from Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. Also in the Bronx is NorthEastern +(or was it Northwestern? Northeast Electronics?) on Jerome Avenue near +Bedford Park Boulevard. They're mostly a TV parts supply house, but when +I was building CB radio projects, they were quite handy..",12 +"I would be grateful to anyone who knows about an X-windows application +that would emulate HP 2623A graphics in a manner similar to +the way TEK graphics windows are implemented in xterm. +Thanks for you help.",5 +"Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco +to Seattle? And how much might it cost? + +I remember a thread on shipping. If someone saved the instructions +on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email. + +Thanks,",8 +" +Doesn't it also have the Statue of Liberty on it or is that Richter's Mask? + +The back actually has a Bee followed by a Z to represent the Beezer. It +also has something that looks like the three interconnecting circles from +the Led Zepplin 4 album cover. Is that what it is supposed to be? and if +it is does anybody know why he would put it there? Ali? + + +John +""The official Language of Golf is Profanity"" + + +",10 +": Frank Crary posted: +: : Sure, but the difference in per-capita crime rates predates the +: : gun control laws: The homicide rate in England was a tenth that +: : of America, back when anyone in England could buy a gun without +: : any paperwork at all. + +: Steve Manes asks: +: > Got a citation for this? + +: Colin Greenwood from Scotland Yard did a study that showed that gun +: control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the UK. His book, +: _Firearms_Controls_, has been published in London by Keegan Paul (name +: may be misspelled). + +Others dispute that, like Richard Hofstadter, , +and Newton and Zimring's . But, +again, statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to +quantify. + +I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO +effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun +homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More +American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) +than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National +Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs +TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). + +If Mr. Greenwood believes that Brits are much too sober and +coordinated to make such mistakes I'd like to introduce him to my +friend, Amanda from Brighton. I used to have some pretty nice +crystal in my place until she moved in. I've gotten used to the +snide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber +wine glasses. +",16 +"Having read the various ""Clipper"" announcements on the net over the last few +days and a LOT of uninformed speculation about the chip, its uses, +government plots, etc, I have the following questions. + + 1) What does the ""Clipper chip"" actually implement? Just the Skipjack + cryptographic algorithm? Or does it also implement a ""chip to chip"" + communications protocol? If it does implement a communications + protocol, can it be used as just a ""crypt chip"" also. + + 2) Where can the chip specifications and spec sheets be obtained? + + 3) Who may purchase them and under what conditions? + + 4) Are there restrictions as to how the chip may be used in a system? + + 5) The security of the algorithm and the encrypted communications does + not appear to require that the ""Family key"" be a secret. Why is + it a secret? What happens when the ""family key"" becomes well known? + If it's a secret to make traffic analysis more difficult, does + the ""Law enforcement message"" contain any random information? + How much and how random is it? + + 6) Can the chip be programmed to reveal the ""Unit key""? The chip ""serial + number""? Any of the programming parameters? + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Raymond S. Brand rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil",11 +" +There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your +body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can +produce enough of it without supplement.",13 +" +Just an comment: I don't like it when people decide what's good for me... +If you think you're going to decide anything for me, you'd better be +carrying a badge and a gun. Who made you capable of determining if there +is ""no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere""? Why do you find +it necessary to add to the problem instead of just minding your own +business? If someone is minding their own business, I will give them +all the room they want, and I'll try to make things easy for them, even +letting them in in front of me if they ask politely (with a directional). +On the other hand, if someone like you decides they want to block me and +be a general asshole, you can bet your ass that I'll make life as +miserable as possible for you, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else +who's minding their own business. +They have a phrase to describe someone like you: +Self Appointed Traffic Police. +Just mind your own business and stay in the right lane where you belong. + + + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + ___ + / _ \ '85 Mustang GT Bob Pitas + / /USH 14.13 @ 99.8 bpita@ctp.com + / /| \ Up at NED, Epping, NH (Cambridge, MA) + + """" - Geddy Lee (in YYZ) +Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, obviously, since they end with my .sig!",7 +" +rubberized undercoating for this. + +-- +Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu) NCSA Networking Development Group +'93 CBR600F2 '78 KZ650 '83 Subaru GL 4WD",8 +" + While Atlanta has the undisputed best starting rotation, I feel that their +relief staff may be suspect. They don't have a real closer -- although +Mike Stanton (4 saves) has been used in that role. Didn't Stanton start off +great last year and then falter? Despite this, your point is well taken. +Atlanta doesn't seem to have the same personality as a NY team, thus is +unlikely to self-destruct. For Houston to take 'em, Atlanta needs to +suffer some injuries, particularly to their starting rotation. + + + + From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the +club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of +players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have +another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West. + +lousey spring. + + + Right! A strong rotation will take the pressure off of the troubling + bullpen. + + + + The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the + club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting + on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to + assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually + starts the season very strong. + + + * * * * * * + + On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning +next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be +(blech..) traditional grey, with the word ""HOUSTON"" written across the +chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate +the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so... + I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound +horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They +may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of +wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it. + + +Astros fan since the days of Ryan, Scott, Smith, Cruz, Davis, Bass, Hatcher...",9 +" + +We've heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in Waco but the brainwashing +of the general population never ceases to amaze me. Here is an +example of action being taken which results in the worst possible +outcome and despite people's deep intuition telling them something +is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the +agents probably acted in good faith. NO THEY DIDN'T. They either did +not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted +knowing the risk. Sums up human stupidity all over and one of these +days it will destroy the fucking planet: ""Oh sorry. Didn't think they +would respond by launching a strike. All our best calculations told +us they were bluffing."" +",16 +" + + +It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and +collected, and try something like, ""You almost just killed me, and I'm not +moving until you apologize."" or something more or less benign like that. I +haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only +do it when there are plenty of witnesses around.",8 +" + +What's the problem here? Back in 1958 I rode a Puch 175 from Paris to +Barcelona and back. That was a two stroke, and back then it was representative +of the size of bikes on the road. A 350 was considered a big bike, and the +superbikes of the day were 500cc or 600cc. Anything bigger was real rare. + + +Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85",8 +"Name Pos AB H 2B 3B HR RBI RS SB E AVG +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Boston OF 12 7 2 6 .583 +Galarraga 1B 28 13 3 1 9 2 .464 +Tatum 3B 5 2 1 .400 +Cole CF 24 9 1 2 8 2 .375 +E. Young 2B 28 9 1 1 1 5 10 5 3 .321 +Hayes 3B 25 7 1 2 5 2 1 2 .280 +Murphy OF 4 1 1 .250 +Bichette RF 21 5 1 5 3 1 .238 +Clark LF 24 5 2 2 1 .208 +Girardi C 25 5 1 1 3 2 .200 +Castilla SS 6 1 1 .167 +Benavides SS 18 1 2 1 4 .056 +G. Young OF 1 1 .000 +PITCHERS P 12 .000 +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Totals 233 65 9 3 5 34 37 9 11 .279 + +Name L/R IP H R ER K BB ERA W L S +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Wayne L 2.7 3 0 0 3 2 0.00 0 0 0 +Aldred L 5 4 3 1 1 6 1.80 0 0 0 +Smith R 12.3 15 3 3 2 3 2.19 1 1 0 +Ashby R 5 6 2 2 3 5 3.60 0 0 0 +Neid R 12 15 6 6 5 8 4.50 1 1 0 +Parrett R 5.7 7 3 3 7 3 4.76 0 0 0 +Blair R 5.3 7 5 3 2 3 5.06 0 0 0 +Henry L 6 9 6 5 4 1 7.50 0 1 0 +Ruffin L 3 7 6 5 3 4 15.00 0 1 0 +Reed R 2.7 7 7 7 1 3 23.63 0 0 0 +Holmes R 1.3 6 10 9 1 4 60.75 0 1 0",9 +"One of those ""morning, just getting the coffee in me"" thoughts: + + Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just ""Hey, how's it going, +nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"" + + 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention +is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.",8 +" +(Deletion) + +For me, it is a ""I believe no gods exist"" and a ""I don't believe gods exist"". + +In other words, I think that statements like gods are or somehow interfere +with this world are false or meaningless. In Ontology, one can fairly +conclude that when ""A exist"" is meaningless A does not exist. Under the +Pragmatic definition of truth, ""A exists"" is meaningless makes A exist +even logically false. + +A problem with such statements is that one can't disprove a subjective god +by definition, and there might be cases where a subjective god would even +make sense. The trouble with most god definitions is that they include +some form of objective existence with the consequence of the gods affecting +all. Believers derive from it a right to interfere with the life of others. + + +(Deletion)",0 +"Does anyone know the difference between MOOLIT and OLIT? Does Sun +support MOOLIT? Is MOOLIT available on Sparcstations? + +I have recntly downloaded a copy of wkshTree written by Eric Wallengren +of Univel. There are many widgets that are apparently available only +to MOOLIT but not OLIT. + +Is there a wkshTree program available under OLIT?",5 +"I recently bought a monichrome VGA monitor for $99 that will do +1024x768 non-interlaced, which seems like a good deal. However, it is +a fixed-scan rate monitor, and only handles 52 kHz horizontal, I +think. With my Trident card it works only in graphics modes 5e and 62 +- not much use, since just about any application will set the mode to +something else, especially if it wants to do text, I suppose. Anyway: + + - is there any way that I can use this as a general-purpose VGA + display with a 1-meg trident 8900C card? + + - if not, can I do so with some sort of different VGA card? + + Peter Desnoyers",3 +" + + This is one of my favorite fallacious points against atheism, i.e. the + belief that you can't deny anything that you can't prove doesn't exist. + This is easily nailed by showing that an infinite number of beings are + conceivable but not observed to exist, does this mean that we would have + to believe in all of them? According to the above poster, we must believe + in objects or beings that haven't been proved not to exist so why stop at + God? (there could be a huge number of beings identical to Ronald Reagan + except for trivial differences, say one is missing a finger, one has blond + hair,... and they all live on other planets so we can't see them) The + reason no one but atheists bring this up is that none of these christians + have a vested interest in these unknown beings with the exception of God. + + + How did they shoot themselves in the foot? + + + There is a big difference here, Stalin didn't say that he stood for a + particular moral position (i.e. against murder and terrorism, etc.) and + then did the opposite (like the religious movements), he was at least + an honest killer. (This is NOT a support of Stalin but an attack on this + viewpoint). Saying that atheism supports murder and violence just because + one man was a tyrant and an atheist is just bad logic, look at all the + russians that helped Stalin that weren't atheists - don't they contradict + your point? Besides your point assumes that his atheism was relevant + to his murdering people, this is just the common assumption that atheists + can't value life as much as theists (which you didn't support). + + + Ah, and here's another point you didn't get out of the FAQ. An atheist + doesn't have to hold the positive view that god doesn't exist, he/she may + just have the non-existence of the positive belief. Here's the example: + + Strong atheism - ""I believe god does not exist"" a positive belief + + Weak atheism - ""I don't believe in a god"" a negative belief + + these are NOT the same, some one that has never thought of the idea of + god in their whole life is technically an atheist, but not the kind that + you are calling unreasonable. Or let's look at it this way (in sets) + + suppose that a given person has a huge set of ideas that I will represent + as capital letters and these people then either believe that these ideas + exist as real objects or not. So if S = santa, then E(S)= no is the person + not believing in santa but still having the idea of santa. But notice that + even E(S) = no is itself another idea! This means you have lots of cases: + + christian : (A,E(A)=yes,B,E(B)=no, . . . G,E(G)=yes......) where G = god + + atheist (strong) : (A,E(A). . . . .G,E(G)=no) + + atheist (weak) : (A,.....E) i.e. no G at all in the set + + agnostic : (A,.......G, E(G) = indeterminate, E', ....) + + + + Nietzsche once said that a man would rather will nonexistence than not + will at all but the darwinist way to put this is that humanity always + prefers no or yes to a maybe because indecision is not a useful survival + trait, evolution has drilled it in us to take positions, even false ones. + +",0 +"DeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been +an export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then. +",7 +" +Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a +hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. + +Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: +SCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} synchronous range is indeed 0-5MB/s + asynchronous range is slower at 0-3MB/s. +SCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit} + Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1 + so it DOES exist. Some PCs use this set up too. + +SCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst +{for those who want SCSI-2 but don't want to pay for the 16-bit or 32-bit + hardware or mess with the SCSI-2 software controllers. Usable by SCSI-1 + devices with close to 8-bit SCSI-2 speeds} +SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst +SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst + +On the other interfaces let DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu speak: +Again synchronous and asynchronous modes with asynchronous much slower + {Range 0-5MB/s} + +One problem is the inconsitant use of the term 'SCSI' in articles and by +people. Its PROPER meaning is ""The set of SCSI interfaces composed of +SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2"" +Look at the inconsitant use of SCSI in the below quote: +(My comments in {}) + +PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI, +{This is asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} 20% faster than IDE..."" +{this is BOTH asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip AND 8-bit SCSI-2} +To read CONSITANTLY the quote SHOULD read: +{asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} +""Although asynchronous SCSI-1 is twice as fast as ESDI, one third the +speed of IDE..."" +or {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip or 8-bit SCSI-2} +""Although SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip and 8-bit SCSI-2 are eight times as fast as +ESDI, 20% faster than IDE..."" + +NOTE the NONUSE of 'SCSI' by itself. This eliminates ambaguity. + +SCSI-1 drivers are somewhat reasonable while 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 drivers +are VERY expansive {8-bit SCSI-2 can use SCSI-1 drivers with little speed +degridation(the Mac Quadra does EXACTLY this.)}",3 +"I am trying to put together a new PC with VESA Local Bus. I would like +to get VLB cards for Video and SCSI but I have heard of a problem with +bus mastering controllers on VLB. Something to the effect that they will +actually slow down a system. Anyone heard of this problem? + +Specifically, I am interested in the Ultrastor 34F VLB SCSI controller. +Before I shell out the bucks for this thing I would like to get the +straight scoop from someone who knows. Does anyone have this controller? +Any problems with it? + + +-- +",3 +" +Frankly, no. Offense and defense are equally important. But the +pitcher is 80% of the defense. The primary role of every other player +is on offense. Even shortstops are a bigger part of the offensive +game than of the defensive game. (They might not do much with their +part of the offense, but that's another issue.) + +That being said, I think both Smith and Yount deserve the HOF. They +hit pretty well in addition to their defense.",9 +" + +Make that 20%. Where did I see that poll recently about the +very religious and adultery? Was it this newsgroup or alt.atheism +or some other place?",19 +"Hi, + We've been having problems on a few setups when printing to a +serial printer (dmp or Laser). I have used Works and Windows Write. The +output is OK from DOS and if I send plain text output, but anything +fancy garbles or just doesn't output. The exception is outputting to a +Lserjet 4 which 'appears' to be fast enough receiving data, not to +bother about handshaking messages. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've +tried most of the Print/Network manager options I can think of. Anyone +had similar problems they've cured and would like to tell me 'bout it?? +Thanks",2 +"Sorry for wasting your time with a probably simple question, but I'm not +an computer graphic expert. I want to read TIFF-Files with a PASCAL-program. +The problem is, that the files I want to read are in compressed form +( code 1, e.g. Huffman ). All books & articles I found describe only the +plain (uncompressed) format. I don't know where to get the original +TIFF specification, furthermore I haven't any access to a realy complete +library. Can anybody direct me to a good book or (even better) to an +specification available via ftp ? + +Thanks in advance - Thomas Wolf",1 +" + +Take a lemon. Stick a copper strip into the lemon. Stick a galvanized +nail in about 1 to 1-1/2 inches from the copper strip. You should get +about 1/2 volt from it - enough to light an LED. + + + * SLMR 2.1 * Support your medical examiner, die strangely. + ",12 +"I just bought a 1962 T-BIRD and would like any info on a club +in and around the the B.C. coast. + Eric Thomas + +",7 +"Jammer ! + + Dit is geen fantastische advertentie over nep-rolexen + maar een evenzo duidelijke mededeling hieromtrent : + + Aangezien het alleen al aanbieden van deze horloges onder + vermelding van de echte merknaam niet geheel correct is, + wil ik met dit bericht duidelijk maken dat ik, Marcel Engelbertink, + niet meer zal adverteren met imitatie-horloges van het merk ROLEX. + + Enig persoon die hierin geiinteresseerd is kan ik jammer genoeg ook niet + meer helpen. + + + + + For all the foreign people who can't even understand dutch ?!? : + + In spite of earlier mailing about fake-rolex's, I announce that I + don't have any information available any longer and I won't use + the trade name ROLEX anymore for those fake models. + + + Yours fakefully, + +",6 +"MLB Standings and Scores for Satruday, April 17th, 1993 + (including yesterday's games) + +NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +San Francisco Giants 07 04 .636 -- 6-4 Won 2 04-01 03-03 +Houston Astros 06 04 .600 0.5 6-4 Won 1 01-03 05-01 +Atlanta Braves 06 06 .500 1.5 5-5 Lost 3 04-03 03-02 +Los Angeles Dodgers 04 07 .364 3.0 4-6 Won 1 01-03 03-04 +Colorado Rockies 03 06 .333 3.0 3-6 Lost 1 03-03 00-03 +San Diego Padres 03 07 .300 3.5 3-7 Won 1 01-04 02-03 +Cincinnati Reds 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 4 01-03 01-05 + +NATIONAL EAST +Philadelphia Phillies 08 02 .800 -- 8-2 Lost 1 05-01 03-01 +Pittsburgh Pirates 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 03-02 04-01 +St. Louis Cardinals 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 04-02 03-01 +New York Mets 05 04 .556 2.5 5-4 Won 1 02-03 03-01 +Chicago Cubs 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 +Montreal Expos 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 +Florida Marlins 03 07 .300 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 02-04 01-03 + + +AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Texas Rangers 06 03 .667 -- 6-3 Lost 2 04-02 02-01 +California Angels 05 03 .625 0.5 5-3 Lost 1 03-02 02-01 +Chicago White Sox 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 2 02-03 03-01 +Minnesota Twins 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 1 02-02 03-02 +Oakland Athletics 04 04 .500 1.5 4-4 Lost 2 04-02 00-02 +Seattle Mariners 04 05 .444 2.0 4-5 Lost 2 03-02 01-03 +Kansas City Royals 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 1 01-05 01-03 + +AMERICAN EAST +Boston Red Sox 07 03 .700 -- 7-3 Lost 1 03-01 04-02 +New York Yankees 06 04 .600 1.0 6-4 Won 1 03-01 03-03 +Detroit Tigers 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Won 3 03-00 02-04 +Toronto Blue Jays 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Lost 1 04-02 01-02 +Cleveland Indians 04 06 .400 3.0 4-6 Won 1 03-01 01-05 +Baltimore Orioles 03 06 .333 3.5 3-6 Won 2 01-02 02-04 +Milwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 3.5 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03 + + + YESTERDAY'S SCORES + (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) + +NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE + +New York Mets 3 Chicago White Sox 9 +Cincinnati Reds 1 Boston Red Sox 4 + +Florida Marlins 3 California Angels 1 +Houston Astros 9 Baltimore Orioles 4 + +Philadelphia Phillies 1 Kansas City Royals 3 +Chicago Cubs 3 Minnesota Twins 4 (10) + +Colorado Rockies 2 Seattle Mariners 0 +Montreal Expos 3 Detroit Tigers 5 + +Pittsburgh Pirates 4 Toronto Blue Jays 1 +Los Angeles Dodgers 7 Cleveland Indians 13 + +Atlanta Braves 0 Texas Rangers 3 +San Francisco Giants 1 New York Yankees 5 + +St. Louis Cardinals 1 Oakland Athletics PPD +San Diego Padres 5 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS +jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS +jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS",9 +" + Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front. + See, it just HOPS into the air! Figure.",8 +"Hi... + +I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already, +but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the +environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into +pantheism? + +I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate +concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it +being perverted into something dangerous. + +As evidence, may I quote THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (of all +things!), April 2 (Editorial page): +""We suspect that's because one party to the (environmental) +dispute thinks the Earth is sanctified. It's clear that much +of the environmentalist energy is derived from what has been +called the Religious Left, a SECULAR, or even PAGAN fanaticism +that now WORSHIPS such GODS as nature and gender with a +reverence formerly accorded real religions."" (EMPHASIS MINE).",15 +" +(deletion)",0 +"There is an interesting opinion piece in the business section of today's +LA Times (Thursday April 15, 1993, p. D1). I thought I'd post it to +stir up some flame wars - I mean reasoned debate. Let me preface it by +saying that I largely agree that the ""Space Age"" in the romantic sense +of several decades ago is over, and that projects like the space station +miss the point at this time. Reading, for example, ""What's New"" - +the weekly physics update we get here on the net - it's clear that the +romance of the day lies in the ever more fine-grained manipulation of +matter: by which I include biotechnology, condensed matter physics (with +its spinoffs in computer hardware and elsewhere), and the amazing things +people are doing with individual atoms these days. To a large extent, I +think, the romance some people still have with space is a matter of +nostalgia. I feel sure that someday we - or more precisely, our ""mind +children"" - will spread across space (unless we wipe ourselves out); but +I think that *manned* space exploration is not what is exciting about +what we can do *now*. + +Anyway, let me quote some of this article, but not all... + + +SPACE AGE GLORY FADES FROM VIEW + +Micheal Schrage (writer, consultant, and research associate at MIT) + +At 35, America's Space Age won't have to suffer through the angst of a +midlife crisis. + +The reason is that the Space Age is already dead. The technologies no +longer define our times, and the public has grown weary of the multibillion +-dollar celestial investments that yield minimal psychic or economic +rewards. + +Space exploration has mutated from a central focuse of America's science +and technology debate into a peripheral issue. Speace is not a +meaningful part of the ongoing industrial competitiveness debate, our +technology infrastructure discussions or even our defense conversion +policy. + +To be sure, America should continue to invest in satellite technologies +for telecommunications and remote sensing - cheap deep-space probes +would be nice too - but the ideal of space as a meaningful driver of +scientific and industrial innovation is now dead. + +..... + +Before the change in administrations, it would have been foolish to +write an obituary for the Space Age. The Bush White House aggressively +supported the space program and proposed spending well over $30 billion +to build space station Freedom alone. + +Even as he proposed budget cuts in other science and technology domains, +Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman was an outspoken +public champion of big-ticket space expenditures. The reality that much +of the civilian space program - from the shuttle to the Hubble telescope +to the space station - was poorly conceived and unimpressively +implemented did not seem to matter much. + +Political inertia and a nostalgic sense of futurism - not a coherent +vision or cost-effective sensibilities - determined multibillion-dollar +space budgets. + +Indeed, with few notable exceptions, such as Voyager, the post-Apollo +era is the story of the gold-plated porkification of space exploration +with programs and promises that delivered less for more and more. + +...... + +While the Clinton Administration has kept on the highly regarded Daniel +Goldin as administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space +Administration, it seems clear that space exploration is not being +positioned as either a symbolic or substantive centerpiece of America's +technological prowess. The space station budget has - rightly - been +slashed. Space is virtually ignored when the Administration champions +its competitiveness agenda. + +......",14 +"Hey, + I have some Star Trek Christmas Ornaments for sale. They are the the +Hallmark Shuttle Craft Galileo. They went for $24.00 during christmas. I +am willing to sell it for that price + shipping. If you are interested +and have some questions, please reply... +",6 +"Hello everyone, + + I was hoping someone could help me out. I'm writing a program + for my astronautics class for assent of the shuttle into a low + orbit. There are two things I'd like to know, First, how much + time elapses between launch and the pitch over. Second, what is + the cross-sectional area of the shuttle, srb's, and ext. tank. + + Thanks for any information, post or e-mail.",14 +" + +Oops! Quite right. I got so busy that I saved Frank's last post back then, +intending to respond when I could, and I sort of forgot. I'll try to do it +soon if anyone's still interested, and probably even if they're not. + + +Well, yes, maybe I am. I'm trying to have people buy and take on my opinions, +thus causing said opinions to spread in time-honoured memetic virus mode until +the world is a veritable paradise. So how about it, folks? As they say over +here, You Know It Makes Sense. + + +Cheers + +Simon",19 +" +Very well put. And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian +brother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at +all, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done? Should Christians +just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person? By +reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are +they using ""a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus""? + +Frankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to +pass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other +Christians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than +people reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin. ",19 +"tes: + + +A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid +is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as +me how, I just have seen the results. + +Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in +the head. + + + +",18 +":Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key +: itself"" +:You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; +: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of +: copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" +:Judge and CP: ""Oh."" +: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or +:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will +:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? + +Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment +like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and +then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the +same trail. +",11 +"The 4/100 prints out the following message about it's framebuffer + +cgtwo0 at vme24d16 0x400000 vec 0xa8 +cgtwo0: Sun-3 color board, fast read + +Anybody know the story on this? +-- + +- Can I have an IMPULSE ITEM instead?",5 +": I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged +: couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have +: publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and +: are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective +: qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. + +The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically* +married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse. + +e.g. the end of Genesis 2 (quoted from memory) ``for this reason, a man shall +leave his parents and be joined to his wife, and they will become one flesh'' +(Jesus also quotes this scripture referring to marriage). + +If you read through Genesis in particular, you will often come across the +phraseology: ``[man] lay with [woman], and she became his wife''. This +implies that she became his wife when they lay together, i.e. at the +point of intercourse. + +Compare this with Jewish tradition: Joseph, when he heard that Mary +was pregnant, had it in mind to divorce her quietly -- but Mary and Joseph were +*betrothed*, not married. i.e., they were in a binding relationship (which +required a divorce to get out of), but *marriage* would not occur until Mary +and Joseph went to bed together. + +Compare with Christ and the Church (Ephesians 5, Revelation 19): the church is +described as the ``bride'' of Christ, but the *marriage* of the Lamb takes +place when Jesus returns. i.e., we are in a binding love-relationship with +Jesus, but we are still looking forward to the time when the marriage will +take place. I see this as the spiritual equivalent of sexual intercourse, +because it represents the most intimate fellowship possible between man and God. + +In summary, engagement should be honoured as a binding relationship, but it is +not marriage. A civil ceremony is not marriage either. Marriage occurs at the +point when the betrothed couple go to bed together. (I don't mean to demean the +civil or church ceremony -- ours was great! I don't mean to be too pedantic.) +Historically, I think I am correct in stating that the civil ceremony (i.e. a +marriage recognised by the state), has only been around in the West since +Napoleon, who introduced it to keep tabs on the people (although I'm ready to be +corrected on that point!) + +This view obviously raises some questions: + +What about those who have had sex with one or more partners, without considering +marriage. Are those people also ``married''? + +If it is true that marriage occurs at the point of intercourse, is it necessary +to be married in the eyes of the state? (I would say Yes, because this honours +the laws of our nations in the West. Although it is not illegal to sleep +together though unmarried in most Western countries, I believe that it is God- +honouring to proclaim our marriage to the state and to our friends before +actually consummating our marriage. Its to do with our being salt and light, and +also to do with how people will perceive us; i.e. it is culturally insensitive +to declare yourself married without going through a civil ceremony.) + +-- + +----- +Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)",15 +" + +",14 +"Hi, + + I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B, +and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive. + + I had no trouble installing the Adaptec and DOS recognises both the SCSI +drive and an existing IDE drive - however when I went to restore the backups +from the Jumbo tape I found that it was extremely slow (estimated time 3 mins +actual time 15 min!) I have no trouble restoring from the same tape to the IDE +drive. + + I seem to remember reading that some settings had to be changed to +enable the Jumbo drive and the Adaptec to work together but I can't find any +mention of it in the manuals. + + My system config is: + i486DX/33 4Mb + Adaptec 1542B running 180Mb Fujitsu SCSI + IDE Controller running 200Mb IDE + Jumbo 250 running off floppy controller on IDE + + Any help would be appreciated + + Thanks, + + Ron. (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au) + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Ron Mastus ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au + 41 Mariposa Rd +Phone +61 2 ???-???? (work) Bilgola Plateau 2107 + +61 2 918-8152 (home) Australia + +-- ",3 +" +This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on ""free"" TV and 6 +games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on +a subscription basis. + +You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no +more ""radio-only"" games. + +Its a good deal. Last year, everybody bitched about Baldwin ""breaking +up the team"". Now, he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this +team together and that takes money. He comes up with a creative way +to generate more revenue so he can afford this team, and people bitch +some more. + +Everybody wants something for nothing. + +Dean + +-- ",10 +"I have just taken delivery on a new GM car (Firebird) with a +clearcoat finish. I assume that it is probably urethane since the +industry has moved in that direction in paints. + +In years past, it used to be recommended that owners wait up to +60 days before you wax a car, for the paint to ""cure."" The dealer +shop manager said this also, but I'm not sure that he wasn't just +basing it on past tradition. Does anyone know if this is still a +recommended practice, or is it better to go ahead and wax right +away (non-abrasive new car wax) with the newer finishes? +",7 +"This is a repost of an earlier. Thanks to several of you for +offering advise on realistic prices. + +MAC SE/ 2.5 megs ram, 20 meg hard disk, 800 K Floppy. +In absolutely perfect condition. + +Includes Word 5, pagemaker, quark xpress, quicken and the +latest versions of about a dozen other programs.",6 +"Following a series of miscarriages, my wife was given a transfusion of +my white cells. (The theory as I understand it is that there is some kind +of immune blocking that prevents the body from attacking the pregnancy as +it normally would a ""foreign"" body. Where this blocking is deficient, the +body evicts the ""intruder"", resulting in a miscarriage. The white cells +apparently enhance the blocking capability.) Following the transfusion, she +successfully carried the next pregnancy to term, and Jake is now an active +9 month-old who cannot wait to walk. + We're now thinking about having another child, but no one (including +the OBGYN who supervised the first transfusion) really seems to know +whether or not the transfusion process needs to be repeated for successive +pregnancies. + Is there anyone in net-land who has experience with this? +Thanks...Gene (and Jane and Jake)",13 +" +Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow +the Devils, anyway? Jeez....",10 +" + +Thank you, Brad/Ali, for warning us about the dangers of propaganda. +It's funny, though, coming from you. + + +Who is it that executes these ""pin-point attacks"" on Israelis? The +guys in the white hats or the ones in the black hats? Neither? You +mean that they are just civilians, farmers, teachers, school children? +Well, maybe they ARE terrorists, after all? And maybe that +""propaganda"" was correct, too? Hmm? +",17 +"How many runs will be scored in Denver? +I don't know. + +but some idea can be gotten by looking at the runs scored in +Mile High Stadium during the last few years of the Bears/Zephyrs +tenure in the American Association. + +Here's the total runs scored per game in Zephyrs games, +all league games and the ratio. I found the same ratios for HR. + +Year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio +1992 10.22 9.10 1.12 1.65 1.58 1.04 +1991 9.53 8.87 1.07 1.41 1.26 1.12 +1990 10.71 8.72 1.23 1.49 1.24 1.20 +1989 9.07 8.34 1.09 1.27 1.11 1.14 +1988 9.90 8.37 1.18 1.29 1.08 1.19 +1987 12.55 10.70 1.17 2.39 1.92 1.24 +1986 9.45 9.33 1.01 1.35 1.38 .98 +1985 9.50 8.54 1.11 1.53 1.34 1.14 +1984 9.99 9.10 1.10 1.55 1.59 .97 +1983 10.60 9.99 1.06 2.03 1.74 1.17 +1982 11.29 10.35 1.09 2.24 1.91 1.17 +1981 10.29 9.25 1.11 1.43 1.49 .96 +1980 10.59 9.43 1.12 1.63 1.46 1.12 + 1446/13-->1.11 1444/13-->1.11 + +It seems pretty clear that Denver will have a large effect +on runs scored (I'll stick with my prediction from last year +that it'll be one of the top 3 in the NL this year) +and a fairly large effect on Homeruns - though apparently not as large as +Atlanta, Wrigley, Cincinnati and San Diego. +Still it ought to be a pretty decent home run park.",9 +" + I have just checked it and you have three files that are loaded: + PROTMAN : 128 Bytes + DRIVER : 9072 Bytes + WORKGRP : 4416 Bytes + + No W4WG uses it's own drivers. + + Not that I know of, I bought two copies, had some problems with one + installed both from the same copie, no problems. Do worry I just had + a really old BIOS and that's the only problem I got. + It will replace all older files (I think) and prompt you for the + others. + + This I do not know... + + + Hope this helps",2 +" A cash award is OK. A time limit would be nice. You can't give away +mining rights (assuming there's anything to mine) because you don't own +them. + ----------------------------------------------------------------- + .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.",14 +"I have recently plunged into PC World. I have been using Amigas before. + Trying to establish a network (LAN) here that could use 2 different printers. + Panasonic KXP2124 for printing receipts and Okidata OL400 for letters etc. + Is it at all possible in this world ? I know when using Unix etc I can specify + which printer to print from. But I am not sure how PCs would handle that. If + they can't then I guess I'll leave PeeeCeees for good and move on to Unix. +",3 +" +I've had exactly the same problems in Aldus Freehand. I think autotracing +is one of those ""features"" that barely works, but everybody feels compelled +to throw it in because the other guys are doing it. :) + + +",1 +" + +Sorry to disappoint you but the Red Wings earned the victory...easily. + +I watched most of the game on ESPN (as soon as I realized that they +were televising the game which was at the beginning of the second). +The Maple Leafs were flat. Very flat. Meanwhile, the Red Wings were +skating very freely and dictating the pace of the game. I didn't +detect any bad penalty calls (Van Hellemond did his usual good job). +Toronto looked like how I expected them to for their first playoff +game in a few years -- nervous. + +For the Leafs sake, I hope they can rid themselves of the butterflies +for game 2. If game 1 is indicative of the series, it's gonna go +quick.",10 +": +: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH +: +: (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training +: videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military + +As opposed to Israel's many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery +against Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal +variants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone +throwers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5 +minute evacuation warning. Using Shin Bit's ""reasonable"" physical +pressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past +practices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the +Egyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za'bal factory in 1978, +the downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near +the same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla. +That is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs +during the British mandate period. + +Ironically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly +copied this article was running another article next to it by A.M. +Rosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively +saying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring +your people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall +who never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims.",17 +" +Some survey conducted by the U.S. government and some group (I don't know +which) did what they were calling on all the news shows this morning, ""The most +comprehensive survey of sexuality in the past 50 years"". Not an exact quote, +but you get the idea. + +This low percentage is merely one more in a ton of evidence disproving the 10% +theory.",18 +" + + +I would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors (of +the squeaky-clean, traditional crew-cut, talk to the AMA before starting +any treatment, kind) who recommend treatments that, though ""accepted"", may +not be necessary for the patient at the time. And all for making a quick +buck. I would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the U.S. is +significantly inflated by these ""quacks of a different color"". In fact, I'd +say these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the +true focus of the medical profession. The AMA and the Boards should focus +on these ""quacks"" instead of devoting unbelievable energy on 'search-and- +destroy-missions' to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non- +traditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients +that traditional/accepted medicine cannot help. + + +*************************************************** +Now to make a general comment on many recent posts: +*************************************************** + +Lately I've seen the word ""quack"" bandied about recklessly. When a doctor or +doctor-wanna-be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical +subject in a civilized manner, all he/she has to do is say ""quack-quack"" and +somehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over +on their backs and pee-pee on themselves in obedience. What do they teach +you in medical school - how to throw your authority around? + +Let me put it another way to make my point clear: ""quack"" is a nebulous word +lacking in any precision. Its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand. +The indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency; and coming +from any medical doctor (or wanna-be), where competency is expected, is real +scary. + +But what do I know, I've already been diagnosed by the sci.med.gods in this +newsgroup as being 'anal retentive', and 'psychotic'. I look forward to more +net.diagnoses. Hey, they're free. + + +Jon ""Quacks 'R Us"" Noring + + +(p.s., may I suggest - seriously - that if the doctors and wanna-be-doctors on +the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and +theories, such as the ""yeast theory"", should create your own moderated group. +You can call it sci.med.traditional.moderated or sci.med.AMA-approved, so you +can keep anal-retentives like me out of it.) + +-- + +Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.",13 +" +The federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year +'95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch. + +A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has +found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the +direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the +steering wheel :-) + +-- +Ron Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com +Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics +GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 ",7 +" + +I have to agree with you... the police may have carried it a bit too far +but Rodney King was no angel either. And I don't think ANY guilty +verdicts should have been returned. I'm sure you know why they handed +down guilty verdicts on two of the officers. It's quite simple really, +it was a compromise to avoid rioting in the places where minorities +think it's right to riot. I hate to say this, but I would have liked to +see them riot with everyone prepared. It would be open season if your +skin was even slightly brown. + +Hey, my motto is, you don't fuck with me or my stuff and you don't get +killed. It's just that simple. + +Tony + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // +-- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // +-----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // +-- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // +------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- This is a calm .sig! --",18 +" +[...] + +These don't seem like ""little things"" to me. At least, they are orders +worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a ""little thing"" +that will lead to worse things?",0 +"Some pixels on my PB 140 display disappear intermittently. They are not in +a particular place but random. If anybody has suggestions I would appreciate +e-mailings. Thanks. + +",4 +" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +Dyer, you're rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It's +often practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of +non-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal +evidence given by the patient. It's an educated guess, by a trained person, +but it's still no more than a guess. +It's cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those +people who don't respond. + +There are diseases that haven't been described yet and the root cause of many +diseases now described aren't known. (Read a book on gastroenterology +sometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After scientific methods have +run out then it's the patient's freedom of choice to try any experimental +method they choose. And it's well recognized by many doctors that medicine +doesn't have all the answers. + +This person said that they had relief by taking the medicine. Maybe it's a +miracle cure, maybe it's valid. How do you know? + +You might argue with the reasoning, the conclusions. But your disparaging +attack is unwarranted. Why don't you present an convincing argument for you +r beliefs, instead of wasting our time in an ad hominem attack.",13 +" + + + NPR's Morning Edition aired a report this morning (4/19) on + Hispanic/Latin American players in MLB and how they have many of + the same problems faced by black/negro/African American players + when they first entered the league. However, although baseball + has adjusted to the presence of black players, many Hispanic + players still labor under the stereotype of being ""fireballs, + hot blooded, flashy"". The report also emphasised that despite + the rantings (my word) of Jessie Jackson about baseballs + discrimination against black players in its upper echelons, + baseball has actually done much better by black players than + Hispanic players. + + Another interesting point was the language barrier problem. The + reporter elaborated on an interview with Ruben Sierra which he + gave in Spanish to a Spanish speaking newspaper reporter with + the fact that there are maybe 2 major baseball writers that + speak Spanish, despite the fact that Spanish is one of (if not + the) easiest languages to learn, so easy that the author Cormac + McCarthy learned Spanish at age 50 in order to research his + book, _All The Pretty Horses_. Yet, few MLB organizations + employ Spanish speaking personel, one of the exceptions being + the Oakland A's. + + Another point: + + Nearly 90% of Latin American players have some African blood. + Yet, most report that they'd never really felt black until + playing ball in the US. + + + Ironically enough, it is the early presence of Latin American + baseball players in the Major Leagues that support the idea that + baseball was integrated before the arrival of Jackie Robinson, + as many ""light black"" or ""brown"", Latin Americans were + incorporated into baseball. + + /S",9 +" + Except for the fact that there seems to be a lot of high scoring AL +games also and I don't think the expansion teams directly affect them. + +K. Scott Day (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil) +Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center +Code 1252 +Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +* ""The point to remember is that what the government gives +* it must first take away."" +* -John S. Coleman ",9 +"Hi, + I am working on gathering data on the way that users use +computers. This involves getting subjects to type and use a +mouse. I want to be able to watch what they are doing without +being in the same room. It would be ideal if I could watch +the session on another monitor without the subjects knowledge. +I believe that spliting the monitor cable will only work for +short distances, ie <5m. I will need to be approx 10m away, as +the cable travels. + The PC's are connected to a TCP\IP network and run Windows 3.1. +Is there any software that will allow me to watch what is +happening on another PC? +Thanks +Regards + Jon Gough +TRUST Project +",2 +"I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: +(if you only know one, that's fine) +1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium) +2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc... + +I'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever), +costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info. + +I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people. + +:) Thanks for any info you can give. + +Thanks.",4 +"In <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) + + + + +Then it is a good thing we already have this: + +The csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on +the clipper mailing list, seems to contain basically the members of +the NIST security board. + +In addition to the names already posted, their true names are as +follows: + +burrows@ecf = James Burrows a director of NIST's National Computer +Systems Laboratory + +mcnulty@ecf = F. Lynn McNulty an associate director for computer +security at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's +Computer Systems Laboratory + +Gangemi@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Gaetano Gangemi is director of the +Security Basics by Deborah Russell and G. T. Gangemi, Sr. -1991, +O'Reilly and Associates + +slambert@cgin.cto.citicorp.com = Sandra Lambert is vice-president of +information security at Citibank, N.A. + +lipner@mitre.org = Lipner is Mitre Corp.'s director of information +systems. + +gallagher@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Patrick Gallagher, director of the +National Security Agency's National Computer Security Center and a +security board member + +walker@tis.com = Stephen Walker a computer security expert and +president of Trusted Information Systems, Inc. in Glenwood, Md + +willis@rand.org = Willis H. Ware a the Rand Corp. executive who +chairs the security board. + +whitehurst@vnet.ibm.com = William Whitehurst is a security board +member and director of IBM Corp.'s data security programs. + +-- +Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com +List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List +Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991 +",11 +"// Hope I am in the right group! I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (version 3.1), +// trying to get some date processed in a window object. However, when invoking +// the window object, the calling program gives up the control to the window +// object, and keeps executing the next statement. The source code may look +// like the following: + +class MyWindow : public TWindow +{ + ... +}; + +void MyCallingProg(...) // Could the calling program be a C function? +{ ... + MyWindow *MyWinObj; + MyWinObj = new MyWindow(...); + GetApplication()->MakeWindow(MyWinObj); + MyWinObj->Show(SW_SHOWNORMAL);",2 +" +Also remember that every dollar spent keeping one spacecraft in safe mode +(probably a spin-stabilized sun-pointing orientation) is a dollar not +spent on mission analysis for a newer spacecraft. In order to turn the +spacecraft back on, you either need to insure that the Ops guys will be +available, or you need to retrain a new team. + +Having said that, there are some spacecraft that do what you have proposed. +Many of the operational satellites Goddard flies (like the Tiros NOAA +series) require more than one satellite in orbit for an operational set. +Extras which get replaced on-orbit are powered into a ""standby"" mode for +use in an emergency. In that case, however, the same ops team is still +required to fly the operational birds; so the standby maintenance is +relatively cheap. + +Finally, Pat's explanation (some spacecraft require continuous maintenance +to stay under control) is also right on the mark. I suggested a spin- +stabilized control mode because it would require little power or +maintenance, but it still might require some momentum dumping from time +to time. + +In the end, it *is* a political decision (since the difference is money), +but there is some technical rationale behind the decision.",14 +" +Gerry Cheevers used to have a mask that had stitches painted all over +it.",10 +"One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument +over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is +the Saturns ""no-dicker sticker"". This makes the Saturn's +price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of +the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one +could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of +the Japanese cars. + +Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2 +is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the +SC1.",7 +" +No. Plug the printer in the printer port, and the modem in the modem +port. ;)",4 +" +I would suggest skipping olwm and getting olvwm instead. This version of the +olwm window manager implements a virtual desktop that I find really handy even +on large monitors. + +This version is also available at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/olvwm3.tar.Z. +The README file also suggest getting the files in /contrib/xview3. + +In my case, I built the X Server first, Xview second, then olvwm. All of these +were installed into /usr/X5. Once I verified the server worked correctly, +I happily issued ""rm -rf /usr/openwin/*"". + +Using gcc 2.3.3 to build all of the above resulted in a windowing system that +is, for all intents and purposes, identical to OpenWindows 3.0 and that is +incredibly faster. There is a bit of tweaking you will have to do if you want +things to work _exactly_ like OpenWindows, but not much. +",5 +"I have a genie garage door transmitter forsale, this unit is a three +button station. will operate three different door or gate openers. +Has never been used, normaly goes for $45.00 Im ask $20.00 + shipping. +If interested please email me.",6 +"I am running Windows 3.1, Windows for Work Groups and just loaded Dos 6. + +What`s happening appears as a graphics problem with File Manager. I've +added some menubar buttons but there appears to be a gray boxed region +that covers the top 2/3'rds of the button row. + +These buttons are in a row below the pulldown menus. the pulldown menus +look fine, and the disk label region looks fine, but you only see the bottom +few pixels of the task buttons. + +Anyone else experience this? + +Thanks. ",2 +"As most of you know, we have recently changed our standard VESA local-bus +video card from our own NCR-based card to the new Diamond Stealth 24 VLB card +for packages 2, 3, and 4 (package #1 still has the NCR ""screamer'). We also have +added the $149 upgrade from the Stealth 24 or NCR to the Diamond Viper to our +product list. Below are the comparisons of the different cards in the +configurations we will offer: + + NCR Stealth 24 VLB Viper VLB +64Ox480 Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M * +8OOx6OO Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K 16,256,32K,64K * +1024x768 Colors 16,256 16,256 16,256 +1280x1024 Colors 16 16 16 +Video Processor NCR 77C22E+ S3 86C805 Weitek Power 9000 +Video RAM 1M 1M 1M +Max RAM addressable + by Vid Processor 3M 2M 2M +RAM Type DRAM DRAM VRAM +User RAM Upgrade? No (no sockets) No (no sockets) Yes (thru +Diamond) +64Ox480 Refresh 60-72 Hz 60-72 Hz 60-72 Hz +8OOx6OO Refresh 56-72 Hz 56-72 Hz 56-72 Hz +1024x768 Refresh 44-70 Hz 43-72 Hz 43-72 Hz +128Oxl024 Refresh 43 Hz 43-60 Hz 43-74 Hz +26 pin VESA + Feature Connector No Yes No +Conflict with x2E8 + port addr (COM4) No YES* No* +Drivers for: + Win 3.1 Yes Yes Yes + ACad 9/10/11 Yes Yes Yes + ACad 12 No Yes** Yes** + VESA Yes Yes Yes + OS/2, WinNT NO*** NO*** NO*** +Win 3.1 WINMARKS 10.5M**** 21 M**** 50M**** + + +^L +* Viper VLB with 2M of video RAM also gives 8OOx6OO 16.7M, 1024x768 32K & + 64K, and 1280xl 024 256 color. S3-based cards, since they are downward + compatible, will have the conflict with 2E8. Diamond admits conflict will + exist with the Stealth 24. The prelim Viper manual incorrectly lists the + S3 port addresses. No conflict. + + +** AutoCAD 12 drivers are now currently available for Stealth, SpeedSTAR + 24X, Stealth 24 VLB, and Viper VLB. They can only be obtained from + Diamond Tech Support, 408-736-2000 and NOT on any BBS. + +** OS/2 2.0 is supported for Standard VGA for all cards. SVGA drivers + available in the near future. Windows NT is not released yet, and no + drivers are available currently. Diamond hopes to have all current + products supported in the Win NT release, on the NT disks.",3 +"For Sale: + One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35 +or best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841. ",6 +"From: ""dan mckinnon"" + + I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is + unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I + found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star: + + 'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy + +Politics is of course Dirty Pool, old man, and here we have a classic +example: the NSA and the administration have been working on this for +a *long* time, and in parallel with the announcement to us techies, we +see they're hitting the press with propoganda. + +It's my bet the big magazines - Byte, Scientific American, et all - will +be ready to run with a pre-written government-slanted story on this in +the next issue. ('Just keep us some pages spare boys, we'll give you +the copy in time for the presses') + +We *must* get big names in the industry to write well argued pieces against +this proposal (can you call it that when it's a de facto announcement?) and +get them into the big magazines before too much damage is done. + +It would be well worth folks archiving all the discussions from here since +the day of the announcement to keep all the arguments at our fingertips. I +think between us we could write quite a good piece. + +Now, who among us carries enough clout to guarantee publication? Phil? +Don Parker? Mitch Kapor?",11 +"My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced +(1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years +about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it +before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may +actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. + +Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are +still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the +market? +-- ",7 +" + +This is one of the differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy. In the +NT, it is expected that when believers gather, + - people will prophesy + - the prophecy must be judged (1 Cor 14:29) +There is nothing about killing someone who makes a mistake. + + +Scripture is scripture; there is no ""gift of scripture"". And I don't know +about you, but I know that _I_ have made mistakes while filled with the +spirit. If you don't give grace to allow people to make mistakes, they +will never grow in the use of the spiritual gifts! + +When we minister in my small group, I encourage people to speak out any +impressions or images they think might be from the Lord. Only by trying +will they know whether they were right or wrong -- and in either case, +they'll have a better handle on it the next time. + +Didn't you fall when you were learning to ride a bicycle? But you kept on +trying, and you learned both from your failures and your successes. +Spiritual gifts are no different -- you get better with experience. + + +The canon of Scripture is complete. Does this mean that God no longer +speaks? I have heard his voice -- not audibly (though some have), but +clearly nonetheless. Is what I heard equivalent to Scripture? No. I have +never heard contemporary prophets claim that what they receive from the +Lord is on the same level as Scripture; on the contrary, those who are +mature obey the Scriptures by submitting their prophecies to fellow +believers for judgement. And the most reliable yardstick for judging +prophecies is, certainly, the Scriptures themselves. The canon is closed +-- but God is not silent! + + +Does it matter what it is called? The question is not how to label it, but +how to receive it. Words of knowledge, incidentally, are similar to +prophecy (and sometimes the two overlap), but generally it is supernatural +knowledge of some fact that could not be known otherwise.",15 +,19 +" + +COD is fine until the buyer opens the box to find they paid 150.00 +for a brick. Or if it the seller allows for a personal check to be used +on a COD it's fine till a stop payment is made. There are few methods +to protect both buyer and seller in any sort of transaction. Even with +merchants and customers there are problems...stolen credit cards, +chargebacks, no return policies and getting the wrong item, etc. + +About the only protection available to to do business with someone you +trust....someone who has been around for a while. + +Jeff + + +________________________________________________________________________",6 +" +[stuff about changing windows registration omitted] +",2 +" +And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not +even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play +God by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his +followers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven, +a far better place. How do I know? By faith. + +God be with you,",19 +" +Here's one I remember: (sort of) +Yogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone. +After he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi +up. Yogi answered, ""No, the phone did.""",9 +" + +Yes. + + +Look up XV_DEPTH. Also, you might want to try using XView colormap segments +instead of Xlib for your colormap stuff. They will probably be easier +for you to use, and since you are using a TrueColor visual, you won't +be losing anything compared to straight Xlib. +",5 +" + +Sooner than you expect. Remember 'Cyprus'? + + +Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established +a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two +continents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and +Waffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in +espionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and +Arabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent' state under +German 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian National +Council.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the 'Congressional +Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic, +Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often +expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In summary, +during World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and +cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication +in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1] + +""Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews) + when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it + becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon + method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical + operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."" + +Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - +extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San +Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published +in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian. + + ""...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities + against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the + murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian + neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish + and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see + the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors... + Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise + to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would + help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of + the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian! + I don't need your bias."" + + Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California. + +[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian + Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer: + June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38. + +Serdar Argic",17 +"Looking for PostScript or Tex version of a paper called: + ""PUBLIC-KEY CRYPTOGRAPHY"" + +Written by: + James Nechvatal + Security Technology Group + National Computer Systems Laboratory + National Institute of Standards and Technology + Gaithersburg, MD 20899 + + December 1990 + +The version I obtained is plain text and all symbolic character +formatting has been lost. +",11 +" + + Unless God admits that he didn't do it.... + + =) + + +--- + + "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too.""",19 +"Thanks to whoever posted this wonderful parody of people who post without +reading the FAQ! I was laughing for a good 5 minutes. Were there any +parts of the FAQ that weren't mentioned? I think there might have been one +or two... + +Please don't tell me this wasn't a joke. I'm not ready to hear that yet...",0 +"Have you ever met a chemist? A food industry businessman? You must +personally know a lot of them for you to be able to be so certain that they +are evil mosters whose only goal is to inflict as much pain and disease +as possible into the general public. Gimme a break. + + + person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are + +Because it makes the food TASTE BETTER! Why does it put salt in food? +Same reason. + + +Obviously. + + + +Of course not! (Although I would think that a person like you would be a +big fan of such recycling if that were the case). + + +On occasion that's probably the case, but in general the idea is that MSG +improves the flavor of certain foods. + + +No. + + +No. + + +Obviously. + + +As I recall, these are natural by-products of heating up certain foods. +They don't ""put it in there"". + + +have a number of criteria in choosing how to process food. They want to +make it taste good, look good, sell for a good price, etc. The fact that they +use it tells me that THEY think that it contributes to those goals they are +interested in. One of those goals is NOT ""making people sick"". Such a goal +woud quickly drive them out of business and for no benefit. + + +Warning of what? In California there is a law requiring that ANYTHING which +contains a carcinogen be labeled. That includes every gasline pump, most +foods, and even money cleaning machines (because Nickel is a mild carcinogen). +The result is that now nobody pays any attention to ANY of the warnings. + + +Why? What if not 30% of people wanted to buy this ugly, rotten, not-as-tasty +food? I guess it will just be wasted, huh? How terribly efficient. + + +Because it makes food look better. I LIKE food that looks good. +If vitamin companies want to do that it is fine, but who are you to +tell THEM how to make vitamins? Who are you to tell ME whether I should +buy flavored vitamins for my kids (who can't swallow the conventional ones +whole). + + +How do you define ""junk""? Is putting ""salt"" in food bad? What about +Pepper? What about alcohol as a preservative? What about sealing jars +with wax? What about vinegar? You seem to think that ""chemicals"" are +somehow different than ""food"". The fact is that all foods are 100% chemicals. +You are just expressing an irrational prejudice against food processing.",13 +" + +This is silly. Is Unix a mature OS? Depends on who you ask, and how +you define mature. System 7 is, if anything, less mature than Windows 3.1. + + + +So why do you need something like BeHierarchic to create groups under +the Apple Menu? Everyone knows that Apple Menu Items are a ripoff of +the Program Manager. If you want a hierarchic program launcher there +are lots available. + + +And this is easy on a Mac? Give me a break. Having spent hours moving +System Extensions around and restarting the Mac to see why a certain +app crashes all the time, I find this laughable. + + +Oh great. Ever hear of aliases? Wonder why Apple implemented them. + + +Eh?? I don't follow. + + +Why is it that I find the Mac desktop incredibly annoying whenever I +use it? + + +Yeah right. You post flame bait, yet ask for no flames. + + + + + + + + +-- ",2 +"Let's look at the effects of inflation on 1930's superstars' salaries. + +I read once that the Babe made $80,000 one year and that was about as good +as it got for him. + +Let's assume he made that in 1928 (I'm not sure of the figures, but I know +I'm in the ballpark--pun intended). :-) + +Today, assuming a 4% yearly inflation rate, which is an understatement if +not accurate, his measly $80,000 salary would be worth. + +FV = $80,000 x (1+4%)^(1993-1928) + = $80,000 x (1.04)^65 + = just over $1,000,000. + +Assuming inflation is average of around 5%. + +FV = $80,000 x (1+5%)^65 + = almost 2,000,000. + +(I didn't crunch these numbers beforehand). + +These numbers might lead one to believe that today's players are slightly +overpaid. The Babe appears to have made then what today's average to above +average players make now. Perfectly accurate salary, year of salary, and +average inflation rate would make this analysis more accurate, but I don`t +think I'm off by much. + +Chop Chop + +Michael Mule' + + +",9 +"FM-2 has been sold. + +Following remains:",6 +"How about this: The +TelCo has your Clipper key. The TelCo +has your intended partner's key, if he is +using one. Whenever you call, the message +gets decrypted and reencrypted wihtout +y key exchange. I know it's a stupid +system, but for the feds, it'd be +great. The point of this isn;t to +take over the crypto market, BTW. Clinton +doen not want people to have any sort of crypto at +all (just like Busch). But he needs some support +for the ""technology initiative"" garbage he's +pushing (industrial policy stuff) and a computer +hip designed by the gov't is just the thing. + +Who's going to thing about the (literal) Billions of +Dollars it took for a government agency to design?",11 +" + + +Pity you didn't say something about the use of statistics to justify +targeting and persecuting a minority, then. + + + +What in the Tree makes you think we queers CAN'T experience that commitment? +What's stopping us from committing to one partner for the rest of our lives? +I have every intention of doing so, once I find the right person...and +whether that person is male or female, I seriously doubt that a church +ceremony/public vow/licence will make any difference whatsoever in the sort +of commitment I experience with that person. You have no conception of the +difference marriage makes since you have never known any other way. + + + + +You're getting to the right idea here...just be careful of making statements +like the above, and you'll be part of the solution and not the problem. + + +No flames necessary. :) + +Drywid",18 +"I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. +This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride +(read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, +fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). + +This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much +of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? +I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and +I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're +turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional +signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.??? + +I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that +she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated... + +Thanks, + -Bob-",8 +" + +Still living in an alternate universe? Numerous articles in major newspapers +(London Times) and periodicals (Newsweek) during the war, had suggested +the existence of a significant collaboration between Armenians and the +Nazis. Arthur Derounian deserves credit for being the first person to +deal with this issue extensively. Derounian's motives were twofold: his +deeply held democratic convictions gave him a sense of duty and he felt +obliged to shed light on this yet another dark chapter of Armenian history. +Concurrently, Derounian embarked on what one would call 'crisis control' +or face-saving. In order to forestall any potential attacks on the larger +Armenian community in the United States, he marginalized collaboration +as deplorable but insignificant.[1] + +[1] John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), 'The Plotters,' + E. P. Dutton & Company, Inc., New York 1946, p. 182. + + + Source: ""Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"" + + Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately + forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi + collaboration. + + A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft + is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The + magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany + and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the + magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation, + is attention-getting. + + This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically + important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be + an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. + + In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain + political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They + occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices. + The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered + ""Aryan"" and what befell them. + +Now wait, there is more. + +Source: ""From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne"" by Avetis Aharonian. The +Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57. + +p. 52 (second paragraph). + +""Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders + of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged + massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is + intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents + on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last + few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative + Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the + destruction of 300 villages."" + + +p. 54 (fifth paragraph). + +""Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped + and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I + hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."" + +""...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who + during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in + the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are + official charges of massacres."" + + +Serdar Argic",17 +" +i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask.",9 +" +I thought I posted this last year. + +The women came to court with three witnesses; the two women that were in +the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting. My lawyer didn't like +the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had +a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something, so he convinced +us (she came without a lawyer) to drop everything. The net result was +a $500 laywer bill for me and $35 court costs for her. + +The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35 +while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me...",8 +"Has anyone experienced problems formatting a system floppy in the File +Manager under DOS 6? I get a formatted disk but when I boot with it, +my hard drive isn't recognized. I did install DoubleSpace. Also, I +*was* able to make a good-working system floppy from the DOS 6 command +shell (no Windows). + +Let me know if you've had this problem too and if you've heard what's +going on. +-- +",2 +"}>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make +}>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside +}>of their group or level of understanding. + +There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash. +The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap +between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify: + +Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a + living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards, + anyway) because they have never held education above basic + reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their + eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant. + (They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage + of any group). + +White trash: ""White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the + word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only + with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."" + -- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under- + qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are + mean as snakes. The ""squeal like a pig"" boys in _Deliverance_ + may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell + white trash. + +White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their +group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be.",8 +"[reply to geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)] + + + +I think a case could be made that this is discriminatory, particularly +if an applicant had good board scores and recommendations but wasn't +offered an interview, but I don't know if it has ever gone to court.",13 +" + + +ARGHHHHHHHHHh + +READ THE MEMOS!!!! + +I said that I PERSONALLY had other people order the EXACT SAME FOOD at +TWO DIFFERENT TIMES from the SAME RESTAURANT and the people that +ordered the food for me did NOT TELL ME which time the MSG was in the +food and which time it was not in the food. + +ONE TIME I HAD A REACTION + +ONE TIME I DID NOT + +THE REACTION CAME THE TIME THE MSG WAS IN THE FOOD + +THAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE + +SAME RESTAURANT - SAME INGREDIENTS!!! + + +I eat lots of Chinese food - I LOVE Chinese food. I've just learned +the following + +IF I get food at one of the restaurants that DOES NOT USE MSG or + +IF I prepare the food myself without MSG or + +IF I order the food from a restaurant that will hold the MSG (and I +never get soup unless it's from a restaurant that cooks without the +MSG) + +I DO NOT GET A REACTION!!!! + +OKAY + +DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! + +I GET A REACTION FROM MSG + +I DO NOT GET A REACTION WHEN THERE IS NO MSG + +If you're having trouble understand this, please tell me which of the +words you do not understand and I'll look them up in the dictionary +for you. + +-- +The great secret of successful marriage is to treat all disasters +as incidents and none of the incidents as disasters. + -- Harold Nicholson",13 +"This is an all-point team for the Canadian NHLers who are not playoff bound... + +GOALIES +Bill Ranford, Edmonton +Sean Burke, Hartford +Peter Sidorkiewicz, Ottawa + +DEFENSEMEN +Zarley Zalapski, Hartford +Norm MacIver, Ottawa +Garry Galley, Philadelphia +Greg Hawgood, Philadelphia +Dave Manson, Edmonton +Mark Tinordi, Minnesota + +CENTERS +Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers +Geoff Sanderson, Hartford +Brian Bradley, Tampa Bay +Rod Brind'Amour, Philadelphia + +LEFT WINGS +Adam Graves, N. Y. Rangers +Chris Kontos, Tampa Bay +Patrick Poulin, Hartford +Shayne Corson, Edmonton + +RIGHT WINGS +Pat Verbeek, Hartford +Russ Courtnall, Minnesota +Mike Gartner, N. Y. Rangers +Kevin Dineen, Philadelphia",10 +" + +You might try the recorder and make a micro. I done that to do certain operations +in a windows app that didn't have the ability to use a micro. It should be in the +Accessories window. The only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work. +But, Good Luck. + +",2 +,1 +" +So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-) + + +You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people +have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff. + +And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you +can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the +FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days. + + +I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense. +You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this +compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless +to me. + +I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't +stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me +sad and sick. + + +Have you ever heard of Jonestown? +The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority +worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these +people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot +more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as +last year. + + +By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too. +BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-) + + +",16 +" + +If you need just to change the wallpaper, then I've written a short +program in VB that does this by using SystemParametersInfo-function. +The bad news is that you need VBRUN200.DLL to run it, and the DLL is +some 350kb (the program is about 7kb). The order of pictures depends +on the system date and the number of BMP-files in the directory, so +the picture remains the same if you execute the program multiple times +during the same day and the number of BMPs has not changed. + +If you feel this is what you need then I could uuencode it and email +it to you. (It is unavailable via ftp.) +",2 +"Hi everyone, + I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know +that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet +hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, +do you still think that just believing is enough?' + +Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves +and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith. +But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to +him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who +knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible. + +Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) +as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James +in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' + +Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. + +In Christ, +Will +",15 +"[reply to dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD)] + + +Infantile spasms have been well understood for quite some time now. You +are seeing a pediatric neurologist, aren't you? If not, I strongly +recommend it. There is a new anticonvulsant about to be released called +felbamate which may be particularly helpful for infantile spasms. As +for learning more about seizures, ask your doctor or his nurse about a +local support group.",13 +" +]The ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the +]current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text +]has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This +]shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner +]are likely to makes some pains to make good copies. + +Tell it to King James, mate. + +]C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, +] + but strife closed in the sod. +]mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +]tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" + ",0 +"From Kay Honda's ""Helpful HInts ABout Your Honda"" infromation sheet +(given to new owners of Honda vehicles). + +""A burning smell may be evident from your new car shortly after taking +delivery."" +--I now own a fire extinguisher;>-- + + +""On Prelude S mels at temperatures above 32 degrees push the +accelerator pedal to the floor one time, release slowly, and with your +foot off the accelerator, crank the engine until it starts. Moe than +5 seconds [!!!!!!! my note] of cranking may be required. In +temperatures below 32 degrees the accelerator will have to be +depressed 2-3 times."" + +""Door panels and interior trim can be damaged if they are not buckled +by getting caught when closing doors."" + +""When shifting accord automatic transmissions from Park Neutral, or +Reverse into Drive the transmission shifts into 3rd gear."" + +""In case of towing: + 1- Start the engine + 2- Shift into drive from Park, then from Drive to neutral + 3- Turn off engine"" +--what if you are getting towed b/c engine won't run?-- + +""IF ENGINE DOES NOT RUN DO NOT USE THIS PROCEDURE!"" +--Phew, I was worried!-- + + Insert smilies where appropriate, though this is REAL. + +Jonathan",7 +" +About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau +Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a +schoolteacher from Minnesota.)",7 +Anyone have the AL individual stats or where i can find them?,9 +"Center for Policy Research writes... + + + + Your comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto uprising is insulting, + and racist beyond belief. The attempts to quiet any violence + in the Gaza Strip are just that. The efforts to quell murder + and mayhem in the Gaza strip were the resluts of violence and + came AFTER the violence. It was not an arbitrary racial move + like the nazi treatment of Jews. Jews had NOT committed acts + of violence and murder as have the residents of Gaza. I find + your eagerness to ignore the acts of murder nothing more than + anti-Israel bigotry. + + + + It is NOT punishment, but protection from repeated attacks by + residents of Gaza. You self-servingly omit any references to + WHY Israel has had to take action. Apparaently the deaths of + innocent Israeli civilians do not enter into your equation, a + racist ommission on your part. + + + + The right of Israel to protect its citizens from murderers is + also recognized by international law. Israeli civilians have + been getting stabbed to death on a daily basis. If this wave + of murder does not matter to you, then your posturing for the + basic human rights you claim matter so much to you is nothing + but an anti-Israel charade. + + + + Do you know of residents of Gaza who have applied for Israeli + citizenship and were denied? I have heard of no such denials + taking place. Can you document this, or is this more of your + stupid and innacurate propaganda? The truth is that if Gazan + residents applied for citizenship, HAMAS would murder them as + collaborators. + + + Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in + + How dare you use such a disgusting phrase. How very easy you + attack a people, when you omit facts which fly in the face of + your pure racism. Perhaps you are judging a people to be the + racists that you are. Do you believe that all Jews must have + the same bigoted makeup as you? + + Here's another little fly in your ointment, about the 'master + race,' for you to avoid... + + Two months ago a plane with 86 Bosnian Muslims left Bosnia to + seek asylum in the middle east. Four Arab nations refused to + grant them asylum. Then when Israli Arabs agreed to take the + responsibility for them, they were allowed into Israel. Yes, + Israel. But when the plane landed, the Israeli Arabs who had + previously agreed to take care of them refused to be involved + with the rescue project, because they felt that it would make + Israel look good. It was more important to avoid any good PR + for Israel than to take care of fellow Muslims. Israel moved + them to a kibbutz, where they are safe and secure. The truth + is that time after time the Islamic world has turned its back + on Muslims in need more than Israel has. Even in the case of + the 400 deportees, Lebanon was willing to let their so-called + Arab brothers freeze to death rather than give them sanctuary + in Lebanon. + + Nearly twice as many Palestinians have been murdered by other + Palestinians than in confrontations with Israel. Hundreds of + thousands of Palestinians had been deported from Kuwait, just + because they were Palestinian. The truth is that your phoney + concern for the welfare of the Palestinians is nothing but an + excuse to attack Israel. You are part of the ignorant effort + to confine all concern for the welfare of the Palestinians to + attacking Israel. But the truth is there are greater reasons + than Israel for the plight of the Palestinians. To disregard + Jordan or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or any of the other oil-rich + nations who do nothing for these people, is to use the plight + of these poor people as a vehicle for your hatred of Jews, or + your hatred of Israel. Anti-semitism and anti-Zionism is NOT + the same as pro-Palestinian and anyone who insists that it is + the same really does not give two hoots for their welfare. + + + + Your pathetic analogy is so absent of relevant fact that your + racism cannot be disguised. Jews had never declared war on a + Polish people. Jews had never attacked Poles with knives, or + had used the Ghetto as a staging ground for attacks. To take + something like the Warsaw Ghetto(the creation of which you do + not even bother to discuss!)and the uprising that followed is + to degrade the dead, and to show that intelligent debate on a + difficult situation is beyond your intellectual purview. You + clearly have never even read a single word of the Covenant of + the Islamic Resistance Movement. Here is arguably the single + most anti-semitic genocidal document since Mein Kampf, yet it + is totally disregarded in your rantings. Your racism is most + evident in your eagerness to avoid such documentation. If it + were considered, you might actually have to deal with mideast + problems in a balanced manner, rather than in an anti-semitic + manner. + + + + And just how was Gaza obtained? Do you forget that Israel is + not in the habit of grabbing land for the hell of it, but had + taken Gaza in a war that it did not start? Did you know land + Israel captures in wars, wars which other nations have ALWAYS + started, aren't the same as Israel, and they are subject to a + completely different set of international laws? Since you do + continuously refer to international law, would you please say + what specific international laws Israel is violating? + + + This attitude + + I can cite 6,000,000 reasons why it is not. + + + + Where is this quote? I have never heard Rabin assert that he + wished such a thing. Since you are in general a liar, you'll + have to provide the entire quote, with source, or this effort + will be regarded as just another one of your fabrications. + + + + Only you are led to ask such a loaded, racist, intellectually + dishonest question. You inability to come to terms with what + you are has turned you into a racist of the highest order. + + + + Why do you not feel the same compassion for the Jews of Iran, + or Iraq, or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria? Do you have an + inkling of what they have endured over the past decades? Or, + what about the plight of the Palestinians in Kuwait? Or what + about the treatment of the Bosnian Muslims? Do you think the + residents of Gaza are being subjected to what all the Muslims + in Bosnia are enduring? Why are you indifferent to the death + and suffering of people? Why do you not care that these folk + are being exterminated? Why do you not care that only Israel + has given any of these people safe haven? Could it be due to + the fact that it is not Israel who is doing the killing? The + people in Gaza are not being exterminated. They aren't being + killed. They aren't being raped. They aren't being starved. + They aren't being driven from their lands. They are not kept + from receiving food or other supplies. But the Bosnians are. + And the ONLY country which has provided some sanctuary to the + Bosnian Muslims is the same nation that you have devoted your + life to attacking, in the guise of compassion. + + Your rantings are so unfettered by the burden of intellectual + honesty that you ought to take a deep breath and ask yourself + what your real motives are. Do not flatter yourself into the + belief that truth or compassion are what drives you. In your + case, it is clear that hate beats out love every time. Maybe + you are burdened with some kind of guilt for having been born + a Jew. It is obvious that your hatred of your own Judaism is + being dumped on all other Jews. Why else would you suggest a + racist idea like breeding Jews out of existence? Maybe these + fits of anti-semitism are a result of being cut off from your + own people for an extended period. Whatever the case may be, + it is clear that you are not what you have labored so hard to + appear to be. When you realize that you can't care for other + people while you hate yourself you might actually begin to do + some good.",17 +" +Okay, that's good. I'm typing this from exactly the same setup. +(US-UNIX layout keyboard) I did install the sunkbd patch, though. + + +Make sure you're using ""ssetroot"", which comes with tvtwm. When tvtwm +starts up, it nukes the existing root window. Use an ""ssetroot"" after +tvtwm starts up. (You could spawn off a ""(sleep 10; ssetroot ...)&"") +You can also use ""VirtualDesktopBackgroundPixmap filename"" or just +VirtualDesktopBackground if you just want another color besides grey. + + +Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export. +All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following: +The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized. +Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed +characters in an xterm to get passed.) + +Anyone have a fix for the last two? + +--Dave",5 +"Question for those familiar with Quadra VRAM: + +I put 2 256K VRAM SIMMs in my Quadra 700 (in the 2 slots closest to the +RAM SIMM slots) and I got no results whatsoever. I have been told that +the built-in video should support at least 16bit and maybe 24bit color on +a Macintosh Color Display. However, the Monitors control panel still +lists 8bit (256 colors) as the highest possible. + +Does it make any difference which slots you put the SIMMs in? +Do you have to do something to activate them? +Do you have to do something to the Monitors control panel? + +BTW, I am running System 7.1 with 8 Megs of RAM. + +",4 +"I am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS. +If anybody out there has one for sale, semd email with +the name of brand, condition of projector, and price for +sale to kimd@rpi.edu +(IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY)",6 +"[stuff delete] + +Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about +the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use +the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is +down!). I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such +as cut and past and moving icons around, etc. But for most +work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than +using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something +simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it +before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at +the moment.) + I don't think it is too much to ask that window +programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also +look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and +command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in +less time IF you are experienced. + All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on +UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than +DOS). +",5 +" + +If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that +McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the +choice of newsgroups 'interesting'. Perhaps someone should tell this +guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'? + +It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what +are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small +wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we +have the problems that we do. + +[In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was +quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.] + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",14 +" + + +And some of us call them murderous bastards, but what's in a name. + + +Just a damn minute! What history books did you read? I seem to recall +that there were a few British, Canadian, American, and Commonwealth +soldiers in France about that time. Perhaps you believe they were taking +a vacation trip? + + +Sure, the Lebanese want to get all foreigners out of the country so they +can go back to killing each other off. + + + +REB +",17 +" +Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their +fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his +future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best +signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't +even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.",9 +" +do not pay $40 for floppy drives.. they are about $40 new. +also, you do not need documentation for floppies. installation +for these things are idiot proof. +just some advice.. +",6 +" +Sorry to put a damper on your plans, but I was there three weeks ago and +it wasn't there. Not that I would have known to look for it, of course, +but I combed the space exhibits pretty thoroughly and something like that +would have caught my attention instantly. +",14 +" +This isn't true. Today's criminals regularly use all sorts of unsafe +methods, from cordless phones to cellular phones to plain old copper +wire analog phones that you can put alligator clips on to plan and +execute their crimes. + +It is amazing how stupid they are, which is why the FBI was so keen on +the digital telphony law, and its successor the clipper chip. They're +hoping here that most crooks will remain stupid, feel safe using clipper +chip phones and get caught.",11 +"I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea +scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance.",15 +" +It isn't that rare, actually. Many cases that are called Parkinson's +Disease turn out on autopsy to be SND. It should be suspected in any +case of Parkinsonism without tremor and which does not respond to +L-dopa therapy. I don't believe pallidotomy will do much for SND. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +"Does anyone know of an FTP site where I might find public +domain software for the Motorola 68HC16 microprocessor? +I am looking for a basic interpreter/compilier or a 'C' +compiler. Thanks in advance. + Ed Murashie +",12 +" + + + +The docs say that it's a SCSI Manager bug, if this changes things at all...",4 +" +XC units are often pre-production sample devices. Those are normally +distributed for evaluation as freebies and are not guaranteed to +meet every spec. + + +Yep, that's for sure...that's one thing I like most about Motorola.",12 +" +Darren> In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find +Darren> arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess +Darren> absolute certainty about their beliefs and doctrines. + +and + +Darren> In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources +Darren> are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own +Darren> thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect. + +The point that Darren raises is a very Lutheran viewpoint. +While reason is a gift from God, it is also infected by sin. +Yet we do not reject reason entirely--and neither, I think, +does Darren. We need reason, as Darren himself has pointed +out, to comprehend God's revelation of himself in the Bible. +But reason alone is not sufficient to comprehend and believe +the Word. We need, first and foremost, faith. For ""the sinful +mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, +*nor can it do so*"" (Romans 8:7). + +Luther accepted Scripture as the sole means of revelation +(""Sola Scriptura""), but accepted the necessity of the use +of reason (with faith) in comprehending that revelation. +Yet Luther also said, regarding baptism, ""But mad reason +rushes forth, and, because Baptism is not dazzling like +the works which we do, regards it as worthless."" (Large +Catechism, Fourth part, Baptism). To make matters more +complicated, Luther was the sort of theologian that many +people would describe as an `absolutist'. I've seen him +described as a `take no prisoners' theologian. + +We might conclude, given these observations, that Luther +was inconsistent or mad. And surely at least some have +come to that conclusion. But it might be useful to +recall that Jesus was also called mad. And Peter felt +compelled to defend himself and the apostles against +a charge of drunkenness on Pentecost. So we as Christians +ought to be careful about rejecting Luther (or others) +as mad. Rather, we should imitate the Bereans, who +examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul +said was true (Acts 17:11). + +The basis for the confidence with which Luther, Peter, Paul, and many +others preached the gospel was not just reason, but faith and the Holy +Spirit. This is not faith divorced from reason, but a faith that +guides, informs, and uses reason. The Spirit enables us to know the +truth and to proclaim it boldly. God does not want us to preach the +message that ""I think that Jesus might have risen from the dead"" but +rather ""I know that my redeemer lives!"" (Job 19:25). The Christian +does not side with Pilate in saying ""What is truth?"" but rather +follows Christ, who said, ""In fact, for this reason I was born, and +for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on +the side of truth listens to me"" (John 18:37). + +We can know the truth because God has promised us that we can +know the truth. Jesus said, ""If you hold to my teachings, +you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, +and the truth will set you free"" (John 8:31,32). The Proverbs +urge us ""Buy the truth, and do not sell it."" (Pr 23:23). +The Psalmist prayed ""Do not snatch to word of truth from my mouth"" +(Ps 119:43). Evidently he believed that the word of truth +was in fact `in his mouth'. + +Yet we do indeed appear arrogant if our claim to the truth +is motivated by self-glorification. But if we present the +truth as the teachings of Scripture, revealed by the +Spirit, and not our own invention, and if we stand ready +to be proved wrong on the basis of Scripture, as Luther +did, then we are not arrogant, but humble. We should humbly +trust in God's promise of truth, just as we trust in his +promise of forgiveness. + +REXLEX> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be +REXLEX> absolute about a thing. + +Darren> But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops, +Darren> and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears. + +I agree that we must make a distinction between the clear teachings +of Scripture, and the products of our own reason--even when such +reasoning is based on Scripture. However I think I would draw +the line of distinction more `reasonably' :-) and less `academically' +than you would. + +Darren> For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations +Darren> include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper, +Darren> and that Jesus said, exactly, ""This is my body."" + +Darren> We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and +Darren> absolutely true. What can we be certain of? Not much. + +Darren> At the moment he stops speaking, and people start +Darren> interpreting, the possibility of error appears. Did he mean +Darren> that literally or not? We do not have any record that he +Darren> elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of Tran- or Con- +Darren> substantiation? He didn't say. + +Darren is almost at the point of making a very Lutheran statement +about the Lord's supper. The Lutheran approach is to say +that if Jesus said, ""This is my body,"" then that is what we +should believe. Other interpretations are rejected simply because +they are not taught in Scripture. + +Recall that Jesus' words do not stand alone on this subject. We also +have Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34,--in which he passed on to +us, what he received from the Lord. In particular he said, ""For +whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the +Lord's death until he comes."" By these words we should believe that +the bread that we eat in the Lord's Supper really is bread (as well as +the Lord's body)--as our senses in fact tell us. Does this *prove* +that tran-substantiation is false? I suppose someone could say that +Paul spoke metaphorically of the Lord's body as bread, simply because +that is the way the body appears when we eat it. But this thought is +found nowhere in Scripture. So we reject it. Thus the primary +reason for rejecting tran-substantiation is not that we can +prove it false, but that it is simply not found in Scripture. + +[side remark] +I've been told that the Lutheran doctrine on real presence is +con-substantiation. But it has been non-Lutherans who have told +me this. We tend not to use the word. I almost think that this +is used more by professors of comparative religion, who need labels +to compare Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed teachings on the Lord's +Supper. But almost every church wants to call their own teaching +""real presence"" because that was the traditional teaching of +the church. +[end side remark] + +Darren> When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning +Darren> can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we +Darren> are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe +Darren> that implicit claim. Witnessing is hardly going to work when +Darren> the person you are talking to believes that you are either too +Darren> foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying +Darren> to cover them up. + +This is precisely why Christians should not rely on rationalizations +in their witnessing. It is far better to take the approach, +""I'd like to show you what Scripture says. You decide for +yourself whether to believe it or not."" + +Darren> `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not +Darren> Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of +Darren> it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many +Darren> Evangelical Christians. Somebody else might like it, though, +Darren> so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. + +Darren> If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On +Darren> Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein. + +As long as we're trading references, I'd like to suggest Dr. Siegbert +Becker's paperback, ""The Foolishness of God: The place of reason +in Lutheran theology,"" published by Northwestern Publishing House. +This book was based on Becker's doctoral thesis at the University +of Chicago.",15 +"I used to be a marriage commissioner for the Alaska Court +System (sort of a justice of the peace). I had great difficulty +with that duty. I used to pray earnestly in the courthouse +bathroom before the ceremonies, mostly asking that the couples +would come to appreciate and fulfill the true holiness and +divine purpose in marriage--couples who obviously didn't realize +that marriage is God's institution, not the state's. Gradually, +however, I came to conclude that because I was acting in a +strictly secular, public capacity, established as such by both +the state and the expectations of the couples involved, I was +really conducting a purely secular, legal civil event, with no +greater moral or religious implications than if I had been +conducting a civil trial (the couple who told me, mid-ceremony, +to ""please hurry it up"" may have helped me to this conclusion). + + I thought I had neatly rationalized a clear and sharp +distinction between marriage before God, and ""marriage"" before +the state, until I had to deal with my own divorce. Keeping +Matthew 19:6 in mind, I felt that the state had no business +dissolving my marriage established before God, but of course it +assumed jurisdiction nonetheless. + + I would ask those of you proposing answers to this +question to consider this issue's logical extension: If +intercourse, or the mental intent of the parties, or the +ceremony of the church, or any combination thereof, establishes +marriage, then at what moment is it dissolved? ",15 +" + + I'm neither a doctor nor a firearms tech expert, but it would seem +that given the way a holstered gun points, accidental injuries inflicted +that way would be among the least lethal. +",16 +" + +It is silly to make this statement. Fifteen minutes after the fire +started, the ""official word"" out of FBI headquaters in DC was +that the DV's committed suicide. It would seem logical that the +lantern story has more credibility. You can't even to pretend to +know for sure what happened... although Clinton is doing just that. +",16 +"Hi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at +fractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx",1 +" + + + + +Sheesh. The rumor mill strikes again. But let's just assume this were true. +My question is this: + +What would Montreal give San Jose if the Sharks got first pick and took Daigle? +",10 +,11 +" +Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent +to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?",11 +"I have the following Genesis carts for sale or trade: + +Alien 3 +Global gladiators +Crue ball + +I have the following SNES carts for sale or trade: + +Jimmy connors tennis +Super play action football + +Cross system trades are fine. + +Cheers +Marc + + ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + ** ** * ****** *** * | On the net, + ** * ** *** ** ** * * | no-one can hear you scream! + ** * ** *** **** ** * * |------------------------------------ + ** * ** *** ** ** * * | email marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk + ** * ****** * ****** ** ** | marc@computing.lancaster.ac.uk",6 +" +",19 +" + +Be sure to say ""chronic"" dizziness, not just dizziness. Most +patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better. +The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go +away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear. + + + +This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general +advice. The odds that you are going to find some miracle with +your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge +for this or any other disease are slim. When good answers to these +problems are found, it is usually in all the newspapers. Until +then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical +problem may divert that energy from more productive things +in life. A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself +that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes +clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine +has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join +the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to +make a career out of it. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +" +And the religious right worships engines, smokestacks, landfills, +and hates people. + +What does this name-calling have to do with anything you are claiming about +the truth of environmental disaster? Nothing that I have read in this +thread, nor heard from anyone I have talked to, would suggest to me that +people fit the definition you give of the religious left. Come off it, Phil. +A prime motivation for protecting our environment is so that we, +people, can continue to live in it healthily. We just disagree on what +is necessary to maintaining a healthy environment FOR PEOPLE. + + + [Russ's response deleted to save space] + + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +What!? They have already repaired that old hulk!!!? WOW!!! ;-) + +I suppose you *mean* the Alaskan shores that were devastated by the +Valdez accident? I haven't seen the articles. What do they say exactly? +Has [mostly] all the ocean and shore life returned? The sands are [mostly] +as clean as they were before? The microbial samples are [mostly] back to +a normal balance? The fish and fowl populations have [mostly] returned? What? + +[...] + +Not a problem? Would you move to Three Mile Island? I would imagine +there is some cheap property available! + +The naturally occurring catastrophic events [disasters] that destroy +property (ie: hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes) do not usually leave +toxic wastes that prevent people from re-building their lives there. +The man-made disasters (oil spills, toxic dumping, radioactive waste +dispersions) cause death and make an area unliveable far beyond the +initial event. + + +",18 +"If this question is covered elsewhere, I apologize, but I need information +fast. + +My department has been given a large sum of money to install a video system +on our network of IBM RS6000 workstations. This is not an area in which I +have any expertise, so I wonder if anyone out there can offer advice. We +would like a system, based either on VHS or 8mm video which will allow one +write video, frame by frame on tape for play-back in real time. It's for +visualization of physics problems. Can anyone tell me what hardware is +available which would work for our system? Some support software is +obviously needed too, but nothing particularly sophisticated, since the +software we actually use for the visualization is all already written. + +Please email with replies, as I don't read this group. Many thanks for your +help.",1 +"Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I've +decided to add my own fuel to the fire: +They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises. + +American League East W L GB +1)New York Yankees 93 69 -- +2)Baltimore Orioles 90 72 3 +3)Toronto Blue Jays 86 76 7 +4)Cleveland Indians 84 78 9 +5)Boston Red Sox 77 85 16 +6)Milwaukee Brewers 74 88 19 +7)Detroit Tigers 73 89 20 + +American League West W L GB +1)Minnesota Twins 94 68 -- +2)Kansas City Royals 92 70 2 +3)Texas Rangers 85 77 9 +4)Chicago White Sox 77 85 17 +5)Oakland Athletics 74 88 20 +6)Seattle Mariners 70 92 24 +7)California Angels 65 97 29 + +AL MVP-Kirby Puckett +AL Cy Young-Kevin Appier +AL Rookie of the Year-Tim Salmon +AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter +AL Comeback Player of the Year-Ozzie Guillen + +National League East W L GB +1)St. Louis Cardinals 91 71 -- +2)Philadelphia Phillies 89 73 2 +3)Montreal Expos 88 74 3 +4)New York Mets 84 78 7 +5)Chicago Cubs 79 83 12 +6)Pittsburgh Pirates 73 89 18 +7)Florida Marlins 54 108 37 + +National League West W L GB +1)Atlanta Braves 96 66 -- +2)Cincinnati Reds 94 68 2 +3)Houston Astros 89 73 7 +4)Los Angeles Dodgers 82 80 14 +5)San Francisco Giants 81 81 15 +6)San Diego Padres 75 87 21 +7)Colorado Rockies 59 103 37 + +NL MVP-Barry Larkin +NL Cy Young-John Smoltz +NL Rookie of the Year-Wil Cordero +NL Manager of the Year-Joe Torre +NL Comeback Player of the Year-Eric Davis + +NL Champions-St. Louis Cardinals +AL Champions-Minnesota Twins +World Champions-St. Louis Cardinals + +The St. Louis picks are what my heart says. +What my brain says, is they will win the division, lose to the Braves +in the NLCS, and the Braves will win the Series against Minnesota. +But for now, I'll stick with the Cards all the way.",9 +"I am creating a graphics program using the Athena widgets. I use +Xlib routines to install a custom Graphics Contex by obtaining the display, +and window variables with the XtWindowOfObject() and XtDisplayOfObject(). +The object was one of the sub widgets. + The problem occurs that whenever a button is pressed or a menu is selected +the graphic contex reverts to the orginal one. I tried moving the allocation +of the graphic context before the allocation of the buttons but nothing +changed. I am preforming all of this manipulation before calling +XtAppMainLoop(). + +Thank you for any help. +Leslie Donaldson",5 +"SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE. Purchased in August 1992. Latest version! +Also willing to sell 486 33dx. 124mg hard drive. 17"" multi scan monitor. + +paid $11,000 for software and $2800 for computer. Also includes 1 yr maintanence +contract that can be updated every year for apx. $950 per year. + +Make offer. + +Call 1 800 940-7874 +or 216-941-7400",6 +" +How about brass or silver? I've seen real chessboards that use that material. + + +Right here is as good a place as any. Can't wait to see it. I use the POV +raytracer - is it compatible enough for your chessboard? + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + ""I don't know if you've got the whole picture or not, but it doesn't + seem like he's running on all thrusters!"" -- Leonard McCoy + + ""A guess? You, Spock? That's extraordinary!"" -- James T. Kirk",1 +" + +Nobody ever exposed your crimes like that before? What was your personal +role in the murder of Orhan Gunduz and Kemal Arikan, again? How many more +Muslims will be slaughtered by 'SDPA.ORG' as publicly declared and filed +with legal authorities? Please spell it out for us. + + + ""...that more people have to die..."" + + SDPA <91@urartu.UUCP> + + ""Yes, I stated this and stand by it."" + + SDPA <255@urartu.UUCP> + + + January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles + Kemal Arikan is slaughtered by two Armenians while driving to work. + + March 22, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts + Prelude to grisly murder. A gift and import shop belonging to + Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either + he gives up his honorary position or he will be ""executed"". He + refuses. ""Responsibility"" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA. + + May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts + Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow + to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of + ""honorary consul"". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. + President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- + witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He + survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting ""triumphs"" in + the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder + brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer + within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing + in self-satisfaction. + +Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak? + + December 17, 1980 - Sydney + Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin + Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility. + +It is public knowledge that the founder of the Marxist-Leninist terrorist +organization, the ASALA (an integral part of ASALA/SDPA/ARF), Hagop +Hagopian, began his notorious career as a member of the terrorist +group which perpetrated the massacre of the Israeli athletes at the +Munich Olympics in 1972. And the 'Armenian Foundation' stole from the +children of Turkiye to fund the criminal activities of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF +terrorists in their cold-blooded murder of defenceless Turkish and +Kurdish people. + +THE ARMENIAN FOUNDATION PROVIDED 30 BILLION TL TO ASALA + + 01/09/92, MILLIYET-- The Armenian Foundation based in +Istanbul is found to have provided 30 billion Turkish Lira ($6 +million) to the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA which have +murdered several Turkish diplomats abroad... + +Experts on international terrorism assert that the Armenian terrorists +use proceeds from drug trafficking (and from the Armenian Foundation) +to fund their deadly enterprises. The deadliest of terrorist assassins, +Carlos, proclaimed on Spanish television that his organization had +entered into a working relationship with Armenian terrorists and they +are using drug trafficking to raise money 'to continue' to slaughter +innocent people. Now, what is your personal and organizational role +in this scheme? + +Recent reports which have been confirmed by the U.S. Administration, +indicate that Armenian terrorist organizations are collaborating with +those who are responsible for the bombing of the United States Marine +barracks in Beirut. You won't be able to get away with your crimes +forever; the justice is long overdue. + +As for the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people between +1914 and 1920: + +Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). + ""Document No: 42,"" Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer + No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1. + (To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant + Section Director Major Ali Sukru) + +""It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes + committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities + in the villages... + + I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain + on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment + was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently + once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge + stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it + at a spot that was invisible from the road..."" + +Serdar Argic",17 +" +To start with, no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible. So +there's a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a +given context. Insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely +and makes progress impossible. (Expenditure of sufficiently large sums +of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this.) On the other +hand, with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which +eventually turn out to be false. There is a morass of studies +contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying ""You people call +THIS science?"" (My opinion, for what it's worth, is that one sees both +these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology.) + +Some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor +appropriate for a particular investigation. I don't believe it is +ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science. + + +My second point, though, is that highly capable people can often make +extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using +methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards. I think this +is true of many scientists and I think it is true of many who approach +their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific. + +Within mathematics, I think there are several examples, especially before +the twentieth century. One conspicuous case is that of Riemann, who is +famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove. (Later +mathematicians did prove them, of course.) + +I think that for a good scientist, empirical investigation is often not +so much a matter of determining what is true and what's not as it is a +matter of convincing other people. (People have proposed lots of +incompatible definitions of science here, but I think the ability to +objectively convince others of the validity of one's results is an +essential element. Not that one can necessarily do that at every step +of the scientific process, but I think that if one is not moving toward +that goal then one is not doing science.) + +When a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and +seems to be very successful at it, I think that his judgements are also +worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further +investigation. + + +Admittedly, my question was not at all well posed. A considerable +amount of effort in a ""serious scholarly investigation"" such as I +suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately +specific question to try and answer. + +The ""science"" I was thinking of in my question is the actual science +currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century. +I certainly wasn't thinking of some idealized science or the mere use +of ""reason and observation."" + +One thing I had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether +in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced +practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies. + +Since Russell Turpin seems to be much more familiar than I am with +the study of scientific methodology, perhaps he can tell us if there +is any existing research related to this question. + +-- +In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems +less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. ",13 +"Hi all, + + I am looking for a recommandation on a good royalty free graphics +library package for C and C++ program. This is mainly use to write +children games and education software. I heard someone mentioned Genus +and also GFX ? Are they any good? + +Please pardon me if my question sounds a little strange, I am asking +this question for a friend. + +Thanks in advance!",1 +"10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404 +tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver +has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950 +for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate +pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu. + +Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers + Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer. + +Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty. + Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer. + Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections, + 60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel + Has all the standard features, and more. + +Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck + Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer. + Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro. + Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides. + Has all standard features. + +Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu",6 +" + +DEC does this only for their PX and PXG servers, known as 3D accelerators. +This boards have local offscreen memory which is limited and slow to +handle, thus they set this limit. +",5 +" +Hum, do you enjoy putting words in my mouth? +Come to Nome and meet some of these miners.. I am not sure how things go down +south in the lower 48 (I used to visit, but), of course to believe the +media/news its going to heck (or just plain crazy). +Well it seems that alot of Unionist types seem to think that having a job is a +right, and not a priviledge. Right to the same job as your forbearers, SEE: +Kennedy's and tel me what you see (and the families they have married into). +There is a reason why many historians and poli-sci types use unionist and +socialist in the same breath. +The miners that I know, are just your average hardworking people who pay there +taxes and earn a living.. But taxes are not the answer. But maybe we could move +this discussion to some more appropriate newsgroup..",14 +"I read an article about the benefits of a VLB motherboard. It said that a +true VLB board supports bus mastering, otherwise it is just as good as an ISA +motherboard. + +Doesn't all VLB motherboard support bus mastering? I just bought a 486-33 VLB +and the tech manual does not explicitly state the words ""local bus mastering"" +but it said it ""supports bus master and slave modes"". Are these terms +synonymous? + +Thanks.",3 +"It is model number #7033D, a 14"" interlaced .28dp. BTW, if you have a +number to contact the company, that would really be helpful to. Thanks +for replying. I was beginning to believe that I was never going to get +a reply. I posted this on the netnews bboard because the first message +I sent to you was returned, and I didn't know if my second message would +get to you.",3 +" +",15 +" + + + + +One of those US cases was John Pollard.",17 +"I don't know if this is an obvious question, but can any of the current +batch of windows accelerator cards (diamond etc) be used to drive a monitor +which has RGB and horizontal and vertical sync ( 5 BNC jacks altogether) +connectors out the back?? I might be able to get ahold of a Raster +Technologies 17"" monitor (1510 ??)cheap and I was wondering if it was +possible to connect it via an adapter (RGB to vga ??) to my Gateway, would +I need different drivers etc. + + +Thanks",3 +"Here is an annoying problem. Whenever I save an icon which contains dark +colors like dark red or dark purple, these colors are converted to the +bright colors. This happens with every icon editor including the image +editor that came with SDK. I don't have this problem with .BMP files +either; only with .ICO files or icon libraries. The problem is with +the icon colormap field in the icon file header. Checking the file +with a binary editor, I can see that the masks are OK. By editing the +colormap manually (copying from another icon that I didn't edit) I can +fix the colors. Does anybody know what may be causing this problem? + +Thanks. + + +",2 +" + + + +Good comeback, Rog. Your quick wit and intelligence continues to +amaze everyone. +",10 +" + You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious. + + +",10 +" +Steve, + It's nice that you find me laughable but I don't quite +understand. Is it because you think my firearms clash with +what I'm wearing, or that my NRA sticker isn't on straight? +Please state your judgement! + I find it sad that people won't accept the responsibility +to defend themselves. And I laugh with the same contempt you +have for me at the sheep who expect the government to protect +them. + + +You and your friends sound like a bunch of smug intellectuals. + + +Oh, I guess you are. I'm still waiting for you all-knowing +academic-likes to solve the worlds problems. Let us know when +you have the answers or punch lines as this case may be. + + +So it's not a ""Yankee"" thing? +Are Canadians actually as uncivilized as we Americans? + + +Well if it's anything like here it wouldn't matter if they +did; they wouldn't be able to use them. + + +You shouldn't waste your time watching TV, Steve. It will corrupt +your mind. + + +Ditto to you, Self Righteous One. +Lay your derogatory tirade on thick, Steve. Y'all can keep laughing and +I'll keep feeling safe and secure. + +",16 +"Hi from Australia, + +I am a car enthusiast in Australia. + +I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the +1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM. + +I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993. + +Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6 +Denver: Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9 +Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21 +Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24 +Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27 +Las Vegas, Nevada: Friday May 28- Sunday May 30 +Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1 +Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June +South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9 +Reno: Thursday June 10 +San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13 + + +I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of +car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period. +Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year? + +Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections, +your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated! + +I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models). +I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is: +1968-1970 AMX +1968-1974 Javelin +1969 SCRAMBLER +1970 Rebel Machine +and others + +If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them, +tell me, I will be interested. + +I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if +you are interested. + + +Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au + + +Thanks,",7 +"Tektronix 453 scope for sale: + + - 50MHz bandwidth + - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^) + - delayed sweep + - works fine + - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places) + - no probes + + - $275 + shipping + +Email me for more info... + +Regards, +Keith +",6 +": I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a +: MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and +: he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the +: gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he +: was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group... + + Yes, but Jeff also speaks out against listening to bands like Black +Sabbath. He says they're into all sorts of satanic stuff. I don't know.",15 +"hello testing + + +",7 +"MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 6th, 1993 + (including yesterday's games) + +NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Atlanta Braves 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +Cincinnati Reds 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +San Diego Padres 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +San Francisco Giants 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Colorado Rockies 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 +Houston Astros 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Los Angeles Dodgers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 + +NATIONAL EAST +Florida Marlins 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +New York Mets 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +Philadelphia Phillies 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +Pittsburgh Pirates 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +St. Louis Cardinals 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Chicago Cubs 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Montreal Expos 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 + + +AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Oakland Athletics 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +Texas Rangers 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +California Angels 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Chicago White Sox 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Minnesota Twins 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Seattle Mariners 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Kansas City Royals 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 + +AMERICAN EAST +Boston Red Sox 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +New York Yankees 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +Milwaukee Brewers 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Toronto Blue Jays 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Baltimore Orioles 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Cleveland Indians 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Detroit Tigers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 + + + YESTERDAY'S SCORES + +NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE + +Montreal 1 New York 9 +Cincinnati 2 Cleveland 1 + +Atlanta 1 Texas 7 +Chicago 0 Baltimore 4 + +Los Angeles 3 Boston 3 +Florida 6 Kansas City 1 + +Philadelphia 3 Detroit 4 +Houston 1 Oakland 9 + +Colorado 0 California IDLE +New York 3 Chicago IDLE + +Pittsburgh IDLE Milwaukee IDLE +St. Louis IDLE Minnesota IDLE + +San Diego IDLE Seattle IDLE +San FranciscoIDLE Toronto IDLE +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS +jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS +jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS",9 +" + + + +I don't think that this is accurate. I believe, and could be wrong, that +there IS a specific right allegedly to have been violated, like the +14th or due process or whatever. + + +Double jeopardy does not apply, but not for the reasons you quote. Double +jeopardy states that a person may not be tried twice on the same charge. +However, the police are not on trial for the crime of excessive force +or assault. They are NOW on trial for the DIFFERENT crime of violating +Mr. King's civil rights. + +AS for the city and county or state trying you more than once, +it most likely will not happen. This is because cities and states +have separate laws governing behaviour. For example, in some states, +it is an offence to carry marijuana, but not a city offence. Also, +I think murder is against federal, but not some state laws. ",18 +"Is it possible to have 2 Sound Blasters in 1 machine? +Would give your the equivalent of a SB Pro but with stereo Digitized sound. +The way Creative Labs price Pro's in Oz, the price is equal.",3 +"Chicago from what I have read is projected to run in 4M on 386 and higher. +It is definitely aimed at the desktop. +It is rumored to offer preemptive multitasking, +multithreading but will not offer multiprocessing. Is 32 bit and no reliance +on DOS. It is rumored to have an integrated file and program manager. +DOS 7 is rumored to be similar to Chicago but without the GUI. Is also +a step towards CAIRO (the next generation OS) which is rumored to be +object oriented. +I wonder where Windows 4.0 fits here is it a stepping stone to Chicago? +Hope this helps. +Thx Dave L + + + +",2 +"My BBB Autoline arbitration experience is over. +The outcome was decidedly mixed. I won the battle but +lost the war. The arbitrator found that the car was +defective, but decided to offer a repurchase well below +market value :(. At the time of the hearing, average +retail on my truck in the NADA book was $21,025, but +the decision was for $17,665. I wrote a letter to the +Council of Better Business Bureaus pointing out the +fact that if you have an automobile that does not +depreciate rapidly, the manufacturer has no incentive +to deal with you. There is no way that the +manufacturer can loose because they can turn around and +sell the vehicle at a profit if the consumer is awarded +a repurchase. The attitude of Chevrolet's +representative at the hearing tends to support this +point of view; he was totally unprepared and did not +seem to take the proceeding very seriously. + +I decided to take the repurchase, even though I am +getting totally screwed on the price. I will not have +to deal with continuing repairs or selling a lemon +myself, and I have no case for a civil suit based on +the Idaho lemon law. I am planning to send a letter to +my elected representatives telling them how utterly +ridiculous the Idaho lemon law is. The law allows for +a ""use deduction"" equal to the IRS mileage allowance. +As if Chevrolet were buying my gas and paying +for my insurance. + +Summary of the case: In May 1992 I bought a new 3/4 ton +HD Chevrolet pickup. Between May 1992 and December 1992 +this vehicle required repair after repair. Systems +that required attention included the transmission, +heater fan, paint, suspension, and motor. The main +problem was the five speed manual transmission. They +could not install a non-defective transmission in at +least four attempts. + +So, in summary, it is possible to get a repurchase, but +you are going to get screwed on the price, unless you +paid too much in the first place, or if your car +happens to be a model that depreciates rapidly.",7 +"Are there any PDS expansion cards out there that specifically take +advantage of the LCIII's 32 bit data path and 25MHz clock speed? If +they exist, are they significantly faster than the LC/LCII versions?",4 +each,4 +"You macinators who have used these voice messaging/FAX/data-modems. I +have a question. First what brand names do you recommend(I am mostly +interested in the voice messaging and FAX part). Is the voice part as +reliable and understandable as the sellers claim? Approximately, how +much hard drive space does an average day of callers take up, if they +speak for one minute? +Any feed back would be appreciated. My company is looking at buying +one or two. Hey, I may buy one myself too. + +Thanks in advance +Don ",4 +" + I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA + WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in. + + In a not so subtle way they are preparing their audience for the + worst and even going so far as to want SOMETHING to happen for + their viewers with all their commercials and their ""we are ready + for anything so watch US"" messages... + +carlos. +",18 +"News-Software: UReply 3.1 +X-X-From: Wingert@VNET.IBM.com (Bret Wingert) + + + ======================================================================== +A couple of points on this thread. + +1. We have been using our processes since way before Challenger. Challenger + in and of it self did not uncover flaws. + +2. What Mr. Spencer says is by and large true. We have a process that is + not dependent on ""sophisticated tools"" (CASE tools?). However, tools + cannot fix a bad process. Also, tool support for HAL/S (the Shuttle + Language) is somewhat limited. + +3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated ""Level 5"" by a NASA team. + This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA. + +4. Feel free to call me if you or your organization is interested in more info + on our software development process. + +Bret Wingert + + +(713)-282-7534 +FAX: (713)-282-8077 + + +Bret Wingert +",14 +" + + ""A handful of anti-gun zealots are telling the public that their +right to self-defense is of less importance than the interests of +Handgun Control, Inc. This action comes as local, state and federal law +enforcement officials continue their assault on the Branch Davidian +compound--an assault which has already resulted in the death of one +two year old child at the hands of federal agents. This has highlighted +the need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children +against the excesses of their own government."" + + + ""Any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a +distortion of the facts, at best. The aggressive outreach by officials +in central Florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in +the level of assault and rape in that area. Of course, this program is +a rare gem, as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an +unarmed citizenry will be easier to control, and thus favor tighter +restrictions."" + + + ""The vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large +who are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their +lawful affairs. The entire country knows how vulnerable the average +citizen is, both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our +own police. Texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have +shown total understanding for those innocent, law-abiding citizens on the +front lines, and the families of those who have fallen."" + + + ""I urge the House of Representatives to pay attention to the needs +of their constituents, and not be stampeded by ill-conceived arguments +from ideological fanatics."" + +Ain't propaganda fun? +",16 +" +Me too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please. + +Thanx in advance,",9 +" + +I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the +relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period +is so small (at the end of 1371)? Is it adequete to suggest a trend or +is it just noise? +",17 +"I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80. It is in mint condition and starts on the first +kick EVERY time. I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it. I +was told I should ask around $900. Does that sound right or should it be +higher/lower? + Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7. How much do I have to spend, and what +year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg???? + Thanks for the help! + + Rob Fusi + rwf2@lehigh.edu",8 +"Fucking news reader... I don't think this got posted... If it did, ignore +it this time. + +(A response to Korey) + +------------ begin my response ----------------- +[...] + +Maybe because the claims deserve refute? The above abstract lists various +possible links to cannabis use (unfiltered almost guaranteed) and lung +problems. Someone may get overly excited when they see that article, but +without actually digging up the study and seeing how the studies gathered +their data it really doesn't tell you shit. I'm going to track down that +study hopefully tomarrow. + +[...] + + +What justifies _the_ truth about drugs? Research? What sort of +research? Correlational data can help establish a theory, but it does not +prove anything. + + +Heroin _is_ a relatively safe drug. What makes it unsafe are IV administration +and shit like adulterants. There are side effects, like withdrawal, but they +effect people differently. + + +Stereotypical statement. I know people who use heroin and opiates that +function just fine in society. + + +Name some of these drugs so we can debate about them more specifically. + +[...] + +NO, NO, NO. (or at least I haven't been arguing this). there is not enough +data to form a scientific conclusion. that _doesn't_ mean that cannabis +is benign to users' lungs. we can form all the theories we want, but they +are only theories. some theories are supported by more evidence than others, +and that makes them stronger. + + +the hell I can't! they state *UN-JUSTIFIED CONCLUSIONS* *AS FACT* as +a *POLITICAL* strategy to stop drug use. + +[...] + +In general, I somewhat see what you're saying. And people like Jack Herer +contribute to this. This has been quite a big mind-fuck for me recently, +and I've pretty came to the conclusion that you can't trust _ANYBODY_ by +word of mouth alone -- my attitude about the general population has +decreased significantly. + +gotta run to class.. + +-marc +andersom@spot.colorado.edu +",18 +"Some time back I asked for software recommendations to allow me to +run X from my PC at home to my Sparc at the office. + +Many thanks for all replies, the majority of people recommended +PCXremote from NCD. I received it yesterday and installed it on +my Sparc and PC with only one hitch. +The UNIX install consists of copying 2 files into some local bin directory. +On the PC side, I ordered the WINDOWS version which came with a slick windows +installation. + + +The only problem I had was that my .xinitrc in my home directory +had the line +DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0; export DISPLAY + +s.t the clients I kicked off connected to my Xserver on the Sparc console. +By removing this line from the .xinitrc everything worked as planned +and the clients connected to the server at + +`hostname`:1.0 + +Some comments on performance, I was connected to a Sparc 2 thru +a NetBlazer Terminal Server over a 9600 baud line. +My PC is a 486-DX2 ATI Ultra, 16 MB + +Bitmap Stuff Sucked. +Basic Editing and compilation stuff definitely usable. +Xmail was very usable. + +At times the first time U typed in an Xclient window there was +a very noticable delay, I put this down to brain damaged ""WINDOWS +should not be called a SCHEDULER"", besides that this will become +my remote work environment for a while. + +Has anybody tried the NON Windows version of the product, the sales +person said they performed about the same, given the over head of +WINDOWS I question this? + +many thanks for help to all who responded",5 +" +My T-Bird SC's manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi. +Wal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these ""real"" +platinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my '80 Fiesta and my dad +had 'em in his '84 Bronco--note the keyword ""had."" They didn't last +very long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced. +I agree that they weren't the greatest.) + + James",7 +"They don't have a conflict because technically LPT1: does not use +IRQ7!. + The Parallel printer processor (the actual number escapes +me) contains a printer control register which enables the chip +to transmit an interrupt to the interrupt controller as IRQ7, +then onto the main processor as Int 0x0F. By default the parallel +printer processor does not enable it's interrupt line therefore +no Int 0x0F's will be sourced from the printer controller chip, +thus enabling other devices to use the actual IRQ7. + + Note, this applies to COM ports also which by default do not +route interrupts to the system bus, although COM's software +usually enable this feature as it make monitoring COM port +activity easier than polling the serial UART, thus probably +getting the sound card slighty confused!.",3 +" +[..] + + +Hello. Firstly, what do you exactly mean by ""fundamentalist""? I will +for the time being assume that what you mean is that your friend believes +that the bible is God's word to mankind? I suspect that what happened +to him is what he'll call being ""born again""? Anyway, was that recent? +If the answer is ""yes"" to all the questions above, it is quite +understandable. However, IMO, I'ld rather give advice to your friend! +I think I've been through something similar to him, and one thing I can +say is that the basic problem is that each of you are now trying to +communicate from different worldviews. Why he talks about those things +is because they are now ""obvious"" to him. What is ""obvious"" to him is +not obvious to you. Secondly, why he may be very persuasive is because +from his point of view, he has been on ""both sides of the fence"". This +I mean that before he turned ""fundamentalist"", you two are agreeable +because both of you see things from the same side. If suddenly, as if +a new world of reality has suddenly opened up to him, it is like the +discovery of let's say a new continent, or a new planet. To him, he's +got to tell you because he has seen something much more wonderful than +where he was, and what he thinks is much better than where you are now. +You have got to realise that from his point of view, he means well to +you, eventhough he may end up offending you. To him, it is worth that +risk. Nevertheless, it is really up to him to respect where you stand +and listen to you as well. At this moment, it may be difficult because +he is either very excited or feel it is too urgent to keep quiet about, +however, he may not realise that he's really putting you off. + +[...] + + +So far, I've only been trying to explain things from his side. However, +I do understand how you feel too, because I wasn't a Christian for a good +part of my life as well. I was quite turned off by Christians or +""fundamentalists"" who were really all out and enthusiastic about their +faith. They really scared me, to tell you the truth. Unfortunately, +""religious belief"" is a very personal thing, just as your agnosticism +is also a very personal thing to you. Since the Christian belief is +inevitably at odds with anything non-Christian (religious or otherwise), +it will be a touchy matter. Like all friendships, it will take both +sides to do their part to make it work. In this matter, maybe you can +do your part by telling him nicely that you are not able to dig what he's +trying to convince you about, that it's beyond you or not your concern +""for now"". Don't tell him it's nonsense, because to him it is reality - +and that would be a real insult. He'll also have to be careful not to +insult where you stand too. + +Like I said before, I wish I could give your friend some advice too. +I'll admit that I did similarly to some of my friends when I became a +Christian. In some ways, I wish I could have done things a little +differently. However, it was difficult then because I was so excited +and just blabbered away about what I've found! To me, it was too good +not to know. To some, I was crazy, and I didn't really care most of +the time what they thought. You will probably think he's crazy too - +but God is very real to him, as real as you are to him. Keep that in +mind. And he thinks he can convince you because since God is so real +to him, he doesn't see why God can't be real to you too. + +I don't know how helpful this is to you. But all the best anyhow - +this is quite a challenge for you to face. By the way, personal +conviction: nobody is ""beyond saving"" except the one we call the +devil and his hosts.",15 +"I have an unopened CD called ""Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie +Parker"" It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, +Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young. +I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade +it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in.",6 +"[deletions] + +If this is grounded firmly in Islam, as you claim, then you have just +exposed Islam as the grounds for terrorism, plain and simple. + +Whether you like it or not, whether Rushdie acted like a total jerk or +not, there is no acceptable civilized basis for putting someone in fear +of their life for words. + +It simply does not matter whether his underlying motive was to find the +worst possible way he could to insult Muslims and their beliefs, got that? +You do not threaten the life of someone for words - when you do, you +quite simply admit the backruptcy of your position. If you support +threatening the life of someone for words, you are not yet civilized. + +This is exactly where I, and many of the people I know, have to depart +from respecting the religions of others. When those beliefs allow and +encourage (by interpretation) the killing of non-physical opposition. + +You, or I or anyone, are more than privledged to believe that someone, +whether it be Rushdie or Bush or Hussien or whover, is beyond the pale +of civilized society and you can condemn his/her soul, refuse to allow +any members of your association to interact with him/her, _peacably_ +demonstrate to try to convince others to disassociate themselves from +the ""miscreants"", or whatever, short of physical force. + +But once you physically threaten, or support physical threats, you get +much closer to your earlier comparison of rape - with YOU as the rapist +who whines ""She asked for it, look how she was dressed"". + +Blaming the victim when you are unable to be civilized doesn't fly. + +Dew",0 +"Dear Xperts: + + I want to place a specific group of icons in an icon box and +have my other icons appear outside of the box. Does anyone +know if there's a way I can do this?? I'm using X11R5 and +Motif 1.2.1.",5 +"I downloaded an image of the earth re-constructed from elevation data taken +at 1/2 degree increments. The author (not me) wrote some c-code (included) +that read in the data file and generated b&w and pseudo color images. They +work very well and are not incumbered by copyright. They are at an aminet +site near you called earth.lha in the amiga/pix/misc area... + +I refer you to the included docs for the details on how the author (sorry, I +forget his name) created these images. The raw data is not included. + +-- + David + + David M. Ingebretsen + Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. + dingebre@thunder.sim.es.com",1 +" + More info please. I'm not well exposed to these ideas. + +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + +Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM + +They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +and sank Manhattan out at sea.",0 +"henrik] Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; +henrik] ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW +henrik] that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with +henrik] their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion +henrik] of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. + +Onur Yalcin] It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as +Onur Yalcin] they appear in their signatures (I failed to do so since you did +Onur Yalcin] not bother to sign your posting). Not only because it is the +Onur Yalcin] polite thing to do, but also to avoid addressing ladies with +Onur Yalcin] ""Mr."", as you have done. + + Fine. Please, accept my opology ! + +Onur Yalcin] Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled +Onur Yalcin] as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to +Onur Yalcin] a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that + ^^^^^^^^^^^ +Onur Yalcin] you know as little about the history and the demography of the +Onur Yalcin] island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's +Onur Yalcin] military intervention to it under international agreements. + + bi-communal society ? Then why DID NOT Greece INVADE CYPRUS ? + +Onur Yalcin] Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in +Onur Yalcin] history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only +Onur Yalcin] be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now pursuing. + + Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART + of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and + review the HISTORY. + + The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS + to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their + teritory. + +Onur Yalcin] But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to +Onur Yalcin] the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such +Onur Yalcin] terminology as ""itchy-bitchy""... + + I was not the one that STATED IT. ",17 +"I will again *repeat* my statement: 1) I *do not* condone these +*indiscriminate* Israeli acts (nor have I *ever*, 2) If the villagers do not know who these ""guerillas"" are (which you stated earlier), how do you expect the +Israelis to know? It is **very** difficult to ""identify"" who they are (this +*is why* the ""guerillas"" prefer to lose themselves in the general population +by dressing the same, acting the same, etc.). +I agree; but, because Lebanon was either unwilling or unable to stop these +attacks from its territory should Israel simply sit quietly and accept its +situation? Israel asked the Lebanese government over and over to control +this ""third party state"" within Lebanese territory and the attacks kept +occuring. At **what point** does Israel (or ANY state) have the right to do +something ITSELF to stop such attacks? Never? +It is also the responsibility of *any* state to NOT ALLOW *any* outside +party to use its territory for attacks on a neighboring state. If 1) Angola +had the power, and 2) South Africa refused (or couldn't) stop anti-Angolan +guerillas based on SA soil from attacking Angola, and 3) South Africa +refused to have UN troops stationed on its territory between it and Angola, +would Angola be justified in entering SA? If not, are you saying that +Angola HAD to accept the situation, do NOTHING and absorb the attacks? +I refered above *at all times* to the Palestinian attacks on Israel from +Lebanese soil, NOT to Lebanese attacks on Israel. + +One hopes that a Lebanese government will be strong enough to patrol its +border but there is NO reason to believe it will be any stronger. WHAT HAS +CHANGED is that the PLO was largely *driven out* of Lebanon (not by the +Lebanese, not by Syria) and THAT is by far the most important making it +EASIER to control future Palestinian attacks from Lebanese soil. That +**change** was brought about by Israeli action; the PLO would *never* +have been ejected by Lebanese, Arab state or UN actions. +I fully recognize that the Lebanese do NOT WANT to be ""used"" by EITHER side, +and have been (and continue to be). But the most fundamental issue is that +if a state cannot control its borders and make REAL efforts to do so, it +should expect others to do it for them. Hopefully that ""other"" will be +the UN but it is (as we see in its cowardice regarding Bosnia) weak.",17 +" +Don't kid around... They just might listen.",10 +" +Note that TEMPEST is the name of the shielding standard. TEMPEST is not +the name of the surveillance technique.",11 +" +Rutin is a bioflavonoid, compounds found (among other places) in the +rinds of citrus fruits. These have been popular, especially in Europe, +to treat ""capillary fragility"", and seemingly in even more extreme cases-- +a few months ago, a friend was visiting from Italy, and he said that he'd +had hemorrhoids, but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills. Incredulously, +I asked to look at them, and sure enough these contained rutin as the active +ingredient. I probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical +sputtering. I have no idea how he's doing hemorrhoid-wise these days. +The studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in +human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled, so the +reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal. + +This stuff is pretty much non-toxic, and probably inexpensive, so there's +little risk of trying it, but I wouldn't expect much of a result. +",13 +"Anybody got any good/bad experience with selling their car through one of +those car hunters? I'm selling a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T and I was contacted +by this company called the Markham group based out of Illinois. + +They said they have 7-10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldn't +be talking to me. They talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything +about my car and said they could sell it no problem. They guaranteed that if +they didn't sell my car in 75 days, I would get my money back ($389) and since +I charged it, I'm protected by federal law which states that if I'm not satisfied, +I would get a refund (which is true). They federal expressed all the paperwork +to me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such.",7 +" +Would if only it were true ... + +If only MIT would fix the !@&$^*@ twm ""InstallWindowColormaps()"" crash bug +once and for all, then I could say that I've (almost) unable to crash either +""twm"" or ""tvtwm"", which would be a remarkable feat - and most desirable to +boot. I mean, this bug has only been reported, oh, a zillion times by now ... + +Now *servers*, on the other hand ... (want to crash an OpenWindows 3.0 ""xnews"" +server at will? Just do an 'xbiff -xrm ""XBiff*shapeWindow: on""'. Blammo.) +",5 +" +Do you mean the icons _of_ the program groups, or the icons of the +individual programs _in_ the program groups? I assume you mean the +latter, and the answer is: sure you can. Just click once (not double) +on the application icon, then Alt-F P (File | Properties). Click on the +Change Icon box and tell it the icon filename. Or use the Browse +sub-selection. + + +I use Alt-Tab. Hold the Alt key and repeatedly press Tab until you see +Program Mangler up. Then release the Alt key. + +",2 +" + +I don't know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th +Keypress event. Of course if there is some reason why you need to +always know the state of modifiers even if your windows don't have the +keyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root +window. Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have +been pressed. + + +I think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString. +You can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses +as you like. You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from +the Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit.",5 +" + + +I am one of those middle-of-the-road GW2000 owners who is satisfied with +my system. I had my share of problems/corrections/phone conversations/etc. I'm +satisfied on what I got for my money. + +Stephen R. Husak ",3 +"of + + +A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually +it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would +have expected a more visible/meaningful role. + +--- +---------------------------------------------------------------------",14 +"What would all of you out there in net land think of the big 6 (Martin +Mariatta, Boeing, Mcdonell Douglas, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Rockwell) +getting together, and forming a consortium to study exactly what the market +price pints are for building reusable launch vehicles, and spending say +$3million to do that. Recognizing that most of the military requirements +for launch vehicles are pulled out of a hat somewhere (say, has the shuttle +ever really used that 1200mi crossrange capability? You get the idea, figure +out how many, how often, where to, etc...) + +Then taking this data, and forming a sematech type company (bad example, I +know... but at least its an example...) To develop between 3 and 5 craft +designs. Then to take all of those designs, and figure out EXACTLY what +the technologies are, and demonstrate those technologies, in order to +eliminate designs that can't be built today. And lets say that this +portion again funded by the GOV cost about $20 million. + +And from here all of these companies went their separate ways, with the +intention of taking all of the market data and the design data to wall +street, and saying ""I want to build this vehicle, and here are the numbers +that show %20 ROI, fund me...) + + +Now many of you think that this is a joke, but I have it on good authority that +just this project is shaping up in the background. It seems that the aerospace +companies have learned that everyone yelling similar but different things +ends up in many programs that do nothing much and get canceled (NASP, NLS, +ALS, DCY?, etc...) They need to work more in the japaneese, and european +spirit of initial cooperation. They have also learned that design requirements +that are phony (I.E. some generals idea of what a space vehicle ought to be) +ends up getting chopped up in congress, because it is not a REAL requirement. + +Any feedback?",14 +"fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary @ University of Colorado, Boulder): + + + These stats are invalid; we're talking BACKCOUNTRY. These stats for + rapes/assaults/deaths do not represent the backcountry singularly; the + great majority represent urban incidents. You should have pointed this out.",16 +What are you stupid?,17 +" +This was (my opinion) the stupidest thing in the Hidden Game. The +argument was + +1) Defense, or runs allowed, is 50% of the game. +2) Unearned runs amount to 12% of the runs allowed; earned runs, 88%. + +3) Since unearned runs are the result of fielding, not pitching, and +earned runs are the product of pitching, not fielding, fielding is 12% +of defense and pitching is 88% of defense. +4) Caombining with #1, pitching is 44% of the game, fielding 6%. + +Pete is usually sharper than that. My own feel is that fielding is in +the 25-33% of defense range; call it 30-70 between fielding and +pitching. + + +I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or +even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds +identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and +even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot +more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense, +Gordon).",9 +" +Wetteland comes off the DL on April 23rd, and will be evaluated on the 24th. +He is throwing well, and without pain on the side. + +DeShields is not on the DL. He suffered from the chicken pox and lost +(this is the official total) 12 pounds. He will be back, hopefully, +next week. + +Walker will be back this tonight or tomorrow...",9 +" + +I don't react to scallops, but did have discomforts with clam juice +served at (American) waterfront seafood bars. I don't know whether +the juice is homemade or from cans. + +The following is my first encounter with the Chinese Restaurant +Syndrome. Ten years ago, about an hour after having Won Ton Soup I +collapsed in a chair with my face feeling puffed up, my scalp +tingling, my feet too weak to stand up. The symptoms lasted for about +20 minutes. Determined to find out the cause of my first reaction, I +went back to the Chinese restuarant and ordered the same dish. The +same thing happened. A quick look inside the kitchen revealed nothing +out of the ordinary.",13 +"Does anybody have an algorithm for ""flattening"" out a globe, or any other +parametric surface, that is definied parametrically. +That is, I would like to take a sheet of paper and a knife and to be +able to calculate how I must cut in the paper so I can fold it to a +globe (or any other object). +",1 +" +Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me, +your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and +then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your +equipment. This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to +switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since, +as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line. + +Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you +lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to +replace the lost power. The problem here is the switchover time and +you've got to resync the AC in no time flat. + +Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that +AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to +be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already. + +Similar story with our telephone system. It was first invented back +in the 1800's. We're still using the same damn system (media) as they +did back then. If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you +it'll work on today's phone system. It costs too much to overhaul +everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there.",12 +"[For those attending the AAAI conf this summer, note that +this conference is immediately preceding it.] + + + PRELIMINARY PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION MATERIALS + + First International Conference on + Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology + + Washington, D.C. + July 6-9, 1993 + +Sponsored by: + The National Institutes of Health, + National Library of Medicine + + The Department of Energy, + Office of Health and Environmental Research + + The Biomatrix Society + + The American Association for Artificial Intelligence (AAAI) + +Poster Session and Tutorials: + Bethesda Ramada Hotel + +Technical Sessions: + Lister Hill Center Auditorium, National Library of Medicine + +For more information contact ISMB@nlm.nih.gov or FAX (608)262-9777 + + PURPOSE +This, the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems +for Molecular Biology, is the inaugural meeting in a series +intended to bring together scientists who are applying the +technologies of artificial intelligence, robotics, machine +learning, massively parallel computing, advanced data modelling, +and related methods to problems in molecular biology. The scope +extends to any computational or robotic system supporting a +biological task that is cognitively challenging, involves a +synthesis of information from multiple sources at multiple levels, +or in some other way exhibits the abstraction and emergent +properties of an ""intelligent system."" + + FACILITIES +The conference will be held at + Lister Hill Center + National Library of Medicine + 8600 Rockville Pike + NIH, Building 38A + Bethesda MD 20894 +Seating in the conference center is strictly limited, so +registrations will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis. +Accomodations, as well as a reception and poster session, will be +at the + Bethesda Ramada Hotel + 8400 Wisconsin Avenue + Bethesda MD 20814 +A special room rate has been negotiated with the hotel, of $92/day +(expires 6/21). Attendees must make their own reservations, by +writing the hotel or calling (800)331-5252 and mentioning the +ISMB conference. To participate in a roommate-matching service, +e-mail opitz@cs.wisc.edu. + + TRANSPORTATION +The two facilities are within easy walking distance, convenient to +the subway (Metro Red Line, Medical Center stop), and from there +to the Amtrak station. Nearby airports include Dulles, National, +and Baltimore-Washington International. + + PROCEEDINGS +Full-length papers from both talks and posters will be published in +archival proceedings. The citation is: + + Proceedings of the First International + Conference on Intelligent Systems for + Molecular Biology (eds. L. Hunter, + D. Searls, and J. Shavlik) AAAI/MIT + Press, Menlo Park CA, 1993. + +Copies will be distributed at the conference to registered +attendees, and will be available for purchase from the publisher +afterwards. + + TALKS +Wednesday, July 7, 1993 +----------------------------------------------------------------- +8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast + +9:00-9:15am Opening Remarks + +9:15-10:30am Invited Talk + ""Statistics, Protein Cores, and Predicted Structures"" + Prof. Temple Smith (Boston University) + +10:30-11:00am Break + +11:00am ""Constructive Induction and Protein Structure Prediction"" + T.R. Ioerger, L. Rendell, & S. Surbramaniam + +11:30am ""Protein Secondary-Structure Modeling with Probabilistic + Networks"" A.L. Delcher, S. Kasif, H.R. Goldberg, & W. Hsu + +12:00-1:30pm Lunch + +1:30pm ""Protein Secondary Structure using Two-Level Case-Based + Reasoning"" B. Leng, B.G. Buchanan, & H.B. Nicholas + +2:00pm ""Automatic Derivation of Substructures Yields Novel + Structural Building Blocks in Globular Proteins"" + X. Zhang, J.S. Fetrow, W.A. Rennie, D.L. Waltz, & G. Berg + +2:30pm ""Using Dirichlet Mixture Priors to Derive Hidden Markov + Models for Protein Families"" M. Brown, R. Hughey, A. Krogh, + I.S. Mian, K. Sjolander, & D. Haussler + +3:00-3:30pm Break + +3:30pm ""Protein Classification using Neural Networks"" + E.A. Ferran, B. Pflugfelder, & P. Ferrara + +4:00pm ""Neural Networks for Molecular Sequence Classification"" + C. Wu, M. Berry, Y-S. Fung, & J. McLarty + +4:30pm ""Computationally Efficient Cluster Representation in + Molecular Sequence Megaclassification"" D.J. States, N. Harris, + & L. Hunter + +7:00-7:30pm Poster Setup +7:30-10:00pm Reception & Poster Session + +Thursday, July 8, 1993 +----------------------------------------------------------------- +8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast + +9:00-10:15am Invited Talk + ""Large-Scale DNA Sequencing: A Tale of Mice and Men"" + Prof. Leroy Hood (University of Washington) + +10:15-10:45am Break + +10:45am ""Pattern Recognition for Automated DNA Sequencing: + I. On-Line Signal Conditioning and Feature Extraction for + Basecalling"" J.B. Bolden III, D. Torgersen, & C. Tibbetts + +11:15am ""Genetic Algorithms for Sequence Assembly"" + R. Parsons, S. Forrest, & C. Burks + +11:45am ""A Partial Digest Approach to Restriction Site Mapping"" + S.S. Skiena & G. Sundaram + +12:15-2:00pm Lunch + +2:00pm ""Integrating Order and Distance Relationships from + Heterogeneous Maps"" M. Graves + +2:30pm ""Discovering Sequence Similarity by the Algorithmic + Significance Method"" A. Milosavljevic + +3:00pm ""Identification of Human Gene Functional Regions Based on + Oligonucleotide Composition"" V.V. Solovyev & C.B. Lawrence + +3:30pm ""Knowledge Discovery in GENBANK"" + J.S. Aaronson, J. Haas, & G.C. Overton + +4:00-4:30pm Break + +4:30pm ""An Expert System to Generate Machine Learning + Experiments: Learning with DNA Crystallography Data"" + D. Cohen, C. Kulikowski, & H. Berman + +5:00pm ""Detection of Correlations in tRNA Sequences with + Structural Implications"" T.M. Klingler & D. Brutlag + +5:30pm ""Probabilistic Structure Calculations: A Three- + Dimensional tRNA Structure from Sequence Correlation Data"" + R.B. Altman + +Friday, July 9, 1993 +----------------------------------------------------------------- +8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast + +9:00-10:15am Invited Talk + ""Artificial Intelligence and a Grand Unified Theory of + Biochemistry"" Prof. Harold Morowitz (George Mason University) + +10:15-10:45am Break + +10:45am ""Testing HIV Molecular Biology in in silico Physiologies"" + H.B. Sieburg & C. Baray + +11:15am ""Identification of Localized and Distributed Bottlenecks + in Metabolic Pathways"" M.L. Mavrovouniotis + +11:45am ""Fine-Grain Databases for Pattern Discovery in Gene + Regulation"" S.M. Veretnik & B.R. Schatz + +12:15-2:00pm Lunch + +2:00pm ""Representation for Discovery of Protein Motifs"" + D. Conklin, S. Fortier, & J. Glasgow + +2:30pm ""Finding Relevant Biomolecular Features"" + L. Hunter & T. Klein + +3:00pm ""Database Techniques for Biological Materials and + Methods"" K. Baclawski, R. Futrelle, N. Fridman, + & M.J. Pescitelli + +3:30pm ""A Multi-Level Description Scheme of Protein + Conformation"" K. Onizuka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & S.T.C. Wong + +4:00-4:30pm Break + +4:30pm ""Protein Topology Prediction through Parallel Constraint + Logic Programming"" D.A. Clark, C.J. Rawlings, J. Shirazi, + A. Veron, & M. Reeve + +5:30pm ""A Constraint Reasoning System for Automating Sequence- + Specific Resonance Assignments in Multidimensional Protein + NMR Spectra"" D. Zimmerman, C. Kulikowski, & G.T. Montelione + +5:30-5:45pm Closing Remarks + + POSTER SESSION +The following posters will be on display at the Bethesda Ramada +Hotel from 7:30-10:00pm, Wednesday, July 7. + +[1] ""The Induction of Rules for Predicting Chemical + Carcinogenesis in Rodents"" D. Bahler & D. Bristol + +[2] ""SENEX: A CLOS/CLIM Application for Molecular Pathology"" + S.S. Ball & V.H. Mah + +[3] ""FLASH: A Fast Look-Up Algorithm for String Homology"" + A. Califano & I. Rigoutsos + +[4] ""Toward Multi-Strategy Parallel Learning in Sequence + Analysis"" P.K. Chan & S.J. Stolfo + +[5] ""Protein Structure Prediction: Selecting Salient Features + from Large Candidate Pools"" K.J. Cherkauer & J.W. Shavlik + +[6] ""Comparison of Two Approaches to the Prediction of Protein + Folding Patterns"" I. Dubchak, S.R. Holbrook, & S.-H. Kim + +[7] ""A Modular Learning Environment for Protein Modeling"" + J. Gracy, L. Chiche & J. Sallantin + +[8] ""Inference of Order in Genetic Systems"" + J.N. Guidi & T.H. Roderick + +[9] ""PALM - A Pattern Language for Molecular Biology"" + C. Helgesen & P.R. Sibbald + +[10] ""Grammatical Formalization of Metabolic Processes"" + R. Hofestedt + +[11] ""Representations of Metabolic Knowledge"" + P.D. Karp & M. Riley + +[12] ""Protein Sequencing Experiment Planning Using Analogy"" + B. Kettler & L. Darden + +[13] ""Design of an Object-Oriented Database for Reverse Genetics"" + K.J. Kochut, J. Arnold, J.A. Miller, & W.D. Potter + +[14] ""A Small Automaton for Word Recognition in DNA Sequences"" + C. Lefevre & J.-E Ikeda + +[15] ""MultiMap: An Expert System for Automated Genetic Linkage + Mapping"" T.C. Matise, M. Perlin & A. Chakravarti + +[16] ""Constructing a Distributed Object-Oriented System with +Logical Constraints for Fluorescence-Activated Cell Sorting"" + T. Matsushima + +[17] ""Prediction of Primate Splice Junction Gene Sequences with + a Cooperative Knowledge Acquisition System"" + E.M. Nguifo & J. Sallantin + +[18] ""Object-Oriented Knowledge Bases for the Analysis of + Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic Genomes"" + G. Perriere, F. Dorkeld, F. Rechenmann, & C. Gautier + +[19] ""Petri Net Representations in Metabolic Pathways"" + V.N. Reddy, M.L. Mavrovouniotis, & M.L. Liebman + +[20] ""Minimizing Complexity in Cellular Automata Models of + Self-Replication"" J.A. Reggia, H.-H. Chou, S.L. Armentrout, + & Y. Peng + +[21] ""Building Large Knowledge Bases in Molecular Biology"" + O. Schmeltzer, C. Medigue, P. Uvietta, F. Rechenmann, + F. Dorkeld, G. Perriere, & C. Gautier + +[22] ""A Service-Oriented Information Sources Database for the + Biological Sciences"" G.K. Springer & T.B. Patrick + +[23] ""Hidden Markov Models and Iterative Aligners: Study of their + Equivalence and Possibilities"" H. Tanaka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, + & A. Konagaya + +[24] ""Protein Structure Prediction System Based on Artificial + Neural Networks"" J. Vanhala & K. Kaski + +[25] ""Transmembrane Segment Prediction from Protein Sequence + Data"" S.M. Weiss, D.M. Cohen & N. Indurkhya + + TUTORIAL PROGRAM +Tutorials will be conducted at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel on +Tuesday, July 6. + +12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Molecular Biology for Computer + Scientists"" Prof. Mick Noordewier (Rutgers University) + +This overview of the essential facts of molecular biology is +intended as an introduction to the field for computer scientists +who wish to apply their tools to this rich and complex domain. +Material covered will include structural and informational +molecules, the basic organization of the cell and of genetic +material, the ""central dogma"" of gene expression, and selected +other topics in the area of structure, function, and regulation as +relates to current computational approaches. Dr. Noordewier has +appointments in both Computer Science and Biology at Rutgers, and +has extensive experience in basic biological research in addition +to his current work in computational biology. + +12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Artificial Intelligence for + Biologists"" Dr. Richard Lathrop (MIT & Arris Corp.) + +An overview of the field of artificial intelligence will be +presented, as it relates to actual and potential biological +applications. Fundamental techniques, symbolic programming +languages, and notions of search will be discussed, as well as +selected topics in somewhat greater detail, such as knowledge +representation, inference, and machine learning. The intended +audience includes biologists with some computational background, +but no extensive exposure to artificial intelligence. Dr. +Lathrop, co-developer of ARIADNE and related technologies, has +worked in the area of artificial intelligence applied to +biological problems in both academia and industry. + +3:00-5:45pm ""Neural Networks, Statistics, and Information Theory + in Biological Sequence Analysis"" Dr. Alan Lapedes (Los Alamos + National Laboratory) + +This tutorial will cover the most rapidly-expanding facet of +intelligent systems for molecular biology, that of machine +learning techniques applied to sequence analysis. Closely +interrelated topics to be addressed include the use of artifical +neural networks to elicit both specific signals and general +characteristics of sequences, and the relationship of such +approaches to statistical techniques and information-theoretic +views of sequence data. Dr. Lapedes, of the Theoretical +Division at Los Alamos, has long been a leader in the use of such +techniques in this domain. + +3:00-5:45pm ""Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"" + Prof. John Koza (Stanford University) + +The genetic algorithm, an increasingly popular approach to highly +non-linear multi-dimensional optimization problems, was originally +inspired by a biological metaphor. This tutorial will cover both +the biological motivations, and the actual implementation and +characteristics of the algorithm. Genetic Programming, an +extension well-suited to problems where the discovery of the size +and shape of the solution is a major part of the problem, will +also be addressed. Particular attention will be paid to +biological applications, and to identifying resources and software +that will permit attendees to begin using the methods. Dr. Koza, +a Consulting Professor of Computer Science at Stanford, has taught +this subject since 1988 and is the author of a standard text in +the field. + +3:00-5:45pm ""Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"" + Prof. David Searls (University of Pennsylvania) + & Shmuel Pietrokovski (Weizmann Institute) + +Approaches to sequence analysis based on linguistic methodologies +are increasingly in evidence. These involve the adaptation of +tools and techniques from computational linguistics for syntactic +pattern recognition and gene prediction, the classification of +genetic structures and phenomena using formal language theory, the +identification of significant vocabularies and overlapping codes +in sequence data, and sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic and +functional relatedness. Dr. Searls, who holds research faculty +appointments in both Genetics and Computer Science at Penn, +represents the branch of this field that considers higher-order +syntactic approaches to sequence data, while Shmuel Pietrokovski +has studied and published with Prof. Edward Trifinov in the area +of word-based analyses. + + REGISTRATION FORM +Mail, with check made out to ""ISMB-93"", to: + + ISMB Conference, c/o J. Shavlik + Computer Sciences Department + University of Wisconsin + 1210 West Dayton Street + Madison, WI 53706 USA + + ================================================ + + Name____________________________________________ + + Affiliation_____________________________________ + + Address_________________________________________ + + ________________________________________________ + + ________________________________________________ + + ________________________________________________ + + Phone___________________________________________ + + FAX_____________________________________________ + + Electronic Mail_________________________________ + + Registration Status: ____ Regular ____ Student + + Presenting? ____ Talk ____ Poster + ================================================ + TUTORIAL REGISTRATION + + ____""Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists"" + or + ____""Artificial Intelligence for Biologists"" + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ____""Neural Networks, Statistics, and + or Information Theory in Sequence Analysis"" + ____""Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"" + or + ____""Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"" + ================================================ + PAYMENT (Early Registration Before June 1) + + Registration: Early Late $___________ + Regular $100 $125 + Student $75 $100 + Tutorials: One Two $___________ + Regular $50 $65 + Student $25 $35 + Total: $___________ + ================================================ + Registration fees include conference proceedings, + refreshments, and general program expenses. + + + ORGANIZING COMMITTEE + Lawrence Hunter NLM + David Searls U. of Pennsylvania + Jude Shavlik U. of Wisconsin",13 +" +I think the point is being missed - that it is apparantly acceptable for +Big Government (Big Brother?) to use TANKS to control the people, as +long as they don't use the BIG GUN (but everything else is allright...). + +Tanks deployed against civilians, let alone FIRING on them with crew +served weaponry (a .50 Heavy Machine Gun is crew-served) is something +both our press and government howl about instantly when done in some +other country. Against civilians that have, at most, one-shot-at-a-time +LIGHT small arms. Certainly nothing that places the people in or behind +the tank in any real danger. Molotov coctails? A round from a rifle +or pistol deals with anybody approaching with one of those. And ""snipers"" +too often turn out to be strays from other cops/guard/army gunfire. + +I don't know about the other people in this group (or on the net) but +the idea of tanks being used to control civilians, in anything that +pretends to be a free society is outrageous. When Big Government feels +it is necessary to use that kind of force to stomp out protests (even +violent) of the citizens, that suggests that the government is totally +out of control, since that is effectively the government declaring war +on its own people. If the government was living up to its responsibility, +government of the people BY THE PEOPLE, not the 'lords' and other elites +who want to keep their good thing going, the citizens wouldn't feel the +need to be resorting to acts that need to be squashed with a military +boot. People do things like that because they have become convinced +that it is the only option that remains, other attempts to have grievances +redressed have been ignored. And yes, there is a criminal element that +will exploit this, but the fact remains that the government has been +unresponsive or such acts wouldn't be apt to happen. Still not an excuse +to open up on civilians with tanks, heavy machine guns, or whatever. +Its the old 'might makes right' philosophy that is the hallmark of a +government going rogue: They don't like it? Tough. We will simply +squash them under an iron boot. Actually addressing their grievances +in other than token fashion with huge volumes of hot air is just too +inconvenient... Sort of a variation on mushroom management: Keep them +in the dark, Smother them with shit, and Crush them when ready... + +And these are the folks that many liberals are trying to arrange things +so that they will have a MONOPOLY on coercive force (firearms that are +than expensive toys...) by gutting the Bill of Rights (cuz it just isn't +PROGRESSIVE or doesn't fit in with MODERN THINKING anymore)... + +Unbelievable. + +And I do believe amid the smoke, confusion, etc of a real riot situation, +that it would be POSSIBLE for a tank to get away with firing the main gun +into a building at close range? One would hear an explosion among many +explosions. It is loud, but it is not going to stand out like a 1000 +pound bomb or a tactical nuke. There would be a hole blown in the wall, +and some rubble, but with tanks knocking over walls, and other sources +of buildings turning into rubble, and other covering racket such as +gunfire, including 50's tacking away, it would not stand out that much, +and could be explained by ""musta been a gas leak... "". I think it could be +done and not be reported under such conditions - it is POSSIBLE. It is +not like a tank driving down a quiet street on a Sunday afternoon, turning +and firing, you know. THAT would stand out, and be pretty impossible +to cover up. + + +",16 +"So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the ""natural look"" or +the ""waxy shit"" category? I wear something on my lips to keep them from +drying out. Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either. + +Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't! Noemi speaks for +herself. + +Beth",8 +"WINDOWS NT + + +I need some information on the new Windows NT. +Anything you have would be appreciated. I know nothing about it. +(Well, except that it exists.) +Some questions... + +Memory requirements, hard drive space, release date? is it out? +How is IBM reacting? Intel? +Can it replace other LAN OS's? + +ANYTHING else like specs, speed, etc.. + +Thanks in advance! + +Luke",2 +"Jesus isn't God ? When Jesus returns some people may miss Him ? What version of +the Bible do you read Mike ? + +Jesus is God incarnate (in flesh) . Jesus said, 'I and the Father are one.' +Jesus was taken up to heaven after His 40 day post-resurrection stint and the +angels who were there assured the apostles that Jesus would return the same way +and that everyone will see the coming. That's why Jesus warned that many would +come claiming to be Him but that we would know when Jesus actually returns. + +These are two very large parts of my faith and you definitely hit a nerve :-)",15 +" + +A nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption +devices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted... + + +Bla-bla. + + +Indeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter. + + +This doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption +algorithms in commercial use today... + + +Except from the government. + + +Nope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip, +they'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to +intercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to +use it. + + +That is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they +are in one or in two of its hands... + + +Correct. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false +sense of privacy. + + +If the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do +not trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because +some parts of its design were kept secret. + + +So they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal +activities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their +government not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations. + + +Except from the government. + + +Huh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted. + + +In short, the new technology can: + +1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper. + +It cannot: + +1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its +ability to decrypt the conversations. + +2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new +encryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who +handle them, etc. + +3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for +communication. + + + +Correct. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it +claims. + + + +Two candidates: the NSA and the Mafia. + + + +That is, ""trust us"". + + +""Security through obscurity"". + + +If it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be +trusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination +and the ones built into your phones will be the same? + + + +The NSA and the FBI? + + + +Why did they ""forget"" the Academia? + + + +Doesn't this smell to monopolism? + + + +Like the Mafia? + + +This is the main question, why was it buried at the end? + + +""We'll see"". + + +""Trust us"". + + +In short, ""If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you"". + + +Since the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions +and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American +to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of +right, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product? + + +Bullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security, +encryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the +encryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and +is a step to outlaw strong crypto. + + + +Who was the optimist who believed that the new administration will +leave the export controls on strong crypto devices? + +OK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist +to comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to +you, Americans, to fight for your rights. + +Regards, +Vesselin + +P.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the +new system is great.",11 +" + +I didnot know that ""Master of wisdom"" can be ""name clling"" too, +unless you consider yourself deserve-less ! + + +That was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey ) + + ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here. + + +First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens +in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation +of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically +revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an +undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. + +Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to +protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing +Palestinean human rights. + + + + +Because not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant. + + + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights. +(i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph). + + +Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment +is full with men like Joseph Weitz. + + + +Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): +any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would +resolve it JUSTLY. + + +You are proving yourself as a "" "". First you understood what i meant, but then +you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. Too bad for you, +the Master of Wisdom. + + + +Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , if you were a +Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, well i feel sorry for you, +because the same Rabbi Shoham had said ""Yes, Zionism is racism"". +If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism. +If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in +condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts. + +Hasan + +",17 +" +Last I checked I was one person, I haven't even been elected +as a representative for ""gaydom"". Should I ascribe every thing +you say as representing every member of the straight community? + + +Thats the point. If there are several million queers in DC you had better +start wondering about the validity of the study. +",18 +" +No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They +aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail +lights. + + +Well, red and orange were already taken. Maybe white defines the direction +that the car is moving in. + + +If you really want to be able to see behind you, get some fog lamps for +the back of the car. These work very well - and are a good way to get +rid of tailgaters if you get that rush of testosterone.",7 +"I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in +reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering +reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is +interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. +",17 +" +: When the object of their belief is said to be perfect and make the believers +: act in a certain way and we observe that they don't, we have a contradiction. +: Something defined contradictorily cannot exist. That what the believe in does +: not exist. Secondly, there are better explanations for why they believe than +: the existence of the object of their belief. +: +: +: Have you read the FAQ already? +: Benedikt + +Benedikt, + +I can't recall anyone claiming that God -makes- anyone act a particlar +way, I think that you're attempting to manufacture a contradiction. +God is said to require certain behavior, but the only compulsion is +the believer's sense of duty. A standard of conduct does exist, but we +are free to ignore it or misunderstand it or distort it in whatever +ways we find convenient, but our response to God's edicts can in no +way be used to question God's existence. The behavior of believers is +a completely separate question from that of God's existence; there is +nothing contradictory here. + +To say that something defined contadictorily cannot exist, is really +asking too much; you would have existence depend on grammar. All you +can really say is that something is poorly defined, but that in itself +is insufficient to decide anything (other than confusion of course). + +Your point that there are better reasons for the phenomenon of belief +than the object of belief may lead to a rat's nest of unnecessary +complexity. I think I know what you're implying, but I'd like to see +your version of this better alternative just the same.",0 +" +Other alternatives include output of vmstat, iostat, pstat and friends +with various flags, or even better crash. + +e.g. on an RS/6000 (AIX 3.2) you can get lots of relatively +unpredicatble data out of crash. (the output from the following script +usually gives about 600k of goo on a moderately busy system.) + +#!/bin/sh +crash <}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for +}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a +}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? +} +}Jim replied by saying +}>Did I either ask or assert that? +} +}But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject + +So? As of then, and pointing out a specific instance. Wrongo again. + +}>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of +}>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual +}>may be held responsible for that action? +} +}Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of +}context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on +}t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all. + +So? Check the newsgroups? + +}Does ""silence is concurrence"" imply that Jim thinks that because I +}didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes +}out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this +}question; read what he has written and decide for yourself. + +Telepathy again? You claim to know what I ""want"". + +}But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next +}gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he +}concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide +}the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion. + +No. YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours. + +}Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help + +Maybe to the ignorant. I accept your classification. + +}More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large +}number of my articles? + +Do you know what ""uncountably large"" means? It does not appear so. + +}Could Jim mean that because I ""axed"" his articles, +}but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ... +}Well, I can't see where he is going with this. + +I am not suprised. + +}But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80 + +That does not appear to be the case. The appearance of your ""Argument"" +is more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written +by a stagehand at Paramount. + +}Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it +}through your induction engine and see what pops out. ",19 +"April 19, 1993 + +As William O. Douglas noted, ""If a powerful sponsor is lacking, +individual liberty withers -- in spite of glowing opinions and +resounding constitutional phrases."" + +The legislative scorecard outlined below resulted from subcommittee, +committee, and floor action. Many important victories, however, come +from coordinating with legislators to ensure anti-gun/anti-hunting +legislation is either amended favorably, rejected, or never voted. +These quiet victories are no less impressive in protecting our +fundamental civil liberties guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the +U.S. Constitution. + + **** + +Arizona - SB 1233, NRA-supported legislation concerning minors in +criminal possession of firearms passed the House 36-18, is currently +awaiting action by the Governor. + +Arkansas - HB 1447, Firearms Preemption Legislation was signed by the +Governor making this the forty-first state to pass preemption. +Preemption had passed twice in previous sessions only to be vetoed by +then Gov. Bill Clinton. HB 1417, mandatory storage of firearms, +amended and then killed in committee. + +Colorado - SB 42, mandating the storage of firearms with a +trigger-lock, killed in committee. SB 104, prohibiting the sale of +certain semi-auto firearms was killed in committee. SB 108, +so-called Colorado Handgun Violence Prevention Act, including a +provision for a 10-day waiting period, killed in committee. + +Connecticut - Substitute Bill No. 6372, imposing a 6% tax on all +firearms, ammunition, and archery equipment killed in Environment +Committee. + +Florida - A bill to require a 3-year license at a cost of $150 to own +or possess semi-automatic firearms with a second degree felony +provision (15 years in prison) died in committee along with numerous +other anti-gun owner bills. No anti-gun legislation passed in +Florida this year. + +Georgia - SB 12, supposed instant check with provision allowing for +up to a 7-day ""waiting period,"" defeated in House Public Safety +Committee and sent to Interim Study committee. Mandatory storage +bill -- SB 247 -- was defeated 39-15 in the Senate. The same bill +passed the upper-House 52-2 in 1992. + + +Illinois - HB 90, prohibiting the sale, possession, manufacture, +purchase, possession, or carrying of certain semi-auto firearms, was +defeated in House Judiciary II Subcommittee on Firearms. HB 91, +mandatory storage legislation, failed in House Judiciary Subcommittee +on Firearms. HB 1550, repeals FOID and makes FTIP, point of sale +check permanent, passed out of Judiciary Committee by a 10-4-2 vote. +Presently on the calendar for third reading in the House. + +SB 40, mandatory storage bill, defeated in committee. +SB 265, imposing a handgun excise tax, failed in Senate committee on +Revenue's Subcommittee on Tax Increases. +SB 272,imposing a tax on all persons engaged in the business of +selling firearms, failed in Senate Revenue Committee's Subcommittee +on Tax Increases. + +Indiana - SB 241, Statewide Firearms Preemption, passed in the Senate +34-16, and in the House 77-22. Twelve amendments were introduced on +the House floor to SB 241. Among these amendments were a ban on +certain semi-auto firearms, Mandatory Storage, Trigger-Lock, a ban on +""Saturday Night Specials"" (Similar to 1988 Maryland Bill), and +Handgun Rationing (one handgun per month). All were defeated. + + [I read this morning (4/20) S.B. 241 was defeated -- lvc] + +Kansas - HB 2435, providing for a 72-hour waiting period on all +firearms was defeated in committee. HB 2458, presently on the +Governor's desk, HB 2459 and SB 243 and 266 all relating to victims' +rights, are expected to be enacted into law. + +Maine - Funding for the Department of Fish and Wildlife 1993-94 +budget, was restored following severe reductions in the Governor's +proposed budget. LD 612, an anti-hunting bill which included reverse +posting and 1000 yard safety zones, killed in committee. + +Maryland - SB 6-(Firearms Incendiary ammunition) died in committee on +a 8-3 vote, SB 41 (Reckless Endangerment - Firearms - Sale or +Transfer) died in committee on a 11-0 vote, SB 126 (Gun Control - +""Assault Weapons"") died in committee on 9-2 vote, SB 182 (Weapons +-Free School Zone) was withdrawn, SB 185 (Weapons on School Property- +Driver's License Suspension was withdrawn, SB 265 (""Assault Pistols"" +- Sale, Purchase or Transport) died in committee on 8-3 vote, SB 328 +(""Assault Pistols"" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 8-3 vote, SB +682 (Baltimore City-Firearms-Rifles and Shotguns) died in committee +on a 9-2 vote. + +HB 274 (Pistol and Revolver Dealers Licenses - compliance with zoning +laws) was withdrawn, HB 366 (Regulated Firearms-sales and transfer) +died on the Senate Floor, HB 374 (Handguns and ""assault weapons"" - +Advertising for sale or transfer) died in committee, HB 384 (Handguns +and ""Assault Weapons"" - Exhibitors) died in committee, HB 495 +(""Assault Pistols"" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 14-9 vote, HB +496 (Gun Shows-Sale, Trade, or Transfer of regulated firearms) died +in committee on a 19-6 vote, HB 601 (Firearms - Handguns - ""Assault +Pistols"" - Handgun Roster Board) was withdrawn, HB 683 (Rifles and +Shotguns - Registration) was withdrawn, HB 945 (Pistols and Revolvers +- Private sales or transfers- required notice) died in committee, +and HB 1128 Prince Georges County - + Weapons - Free School Zone) was withdrawn. + +Mississippi - HB 141, closing a loophole allowing felons to possess +firearms, passed both Houses and signed by the Governor. The bill +codifies into law mechanism for certain felons to have their Second +Amendment liberties reinstated. + +Nebraska - LB 83 and LB 225, mandatory trigger-lock bills, killed in +committee. + +New Hampshire - H.B. 363, providing for reciprocity for concealed +carry licenses passed. H.B. 671, increasing the term of a License +to Carry Loaded Handguns passed. + +New Mexico - SB 762, imposing a 7-day ""waiting period,"" defeated in +Senate committee (0-5) and then on floor of the Senate (15-24). HB +182, mandatory storage legislation, was killed by a vote of 1-8 in +committee. HB 230, legislation safeguarding sportsmen in the field +from harassment by animal rights extremists, signed into law by the +Governor on March 30. + +New York - Seven-day waiting period was defeated in the City of +Buffalo. Ban on certain semi-autos was defeated in Monroe County. +The tax and fee bills to be imposed on guns and ammo were not +included in the 1993-94 budget. SB 207, making pistol licenses +provides for validity of pistol license throughout the state, passed +Senate. Currently awaiting action in Assembly committee. + +North Dakota - HB 1484, granting victims compensation in certain +circumstances, was signed into law by the Governor on April 8. + +Oregon - SB 334, banning firearms on school grounds and in court +buildings, withdrawn as a result of gun owners opposition. + +Rhode Island - HB 5273, mandatory firearms storage legislation, +defeated in committee by a vote of 8-5. HB 6347, an act prohibiting +aliens from owning firearm; defeated by unanimous vote in committee. +HB 5650, excepting NRA instructors from the firearms safety +requirement, reported favorably. HB 5781, exempting persons with an +Attorney General's permit from the 7-day waiting period, reported to +the floor by a vote of 11-1. +HB 6917, extending the term of a permit to carry from two years to +three years, reported to the floor unanimously. + +Utah HB 290, reforming the state's concealed carry statute, passed +out of House committee. SB 32, creating civil liability for +so-called negligent storage of a firearm, and SB 33 creating the +offense of ""reckless endangerment"" with a firearm, killed on Senate +floor. + +Virginia: S.B. 336, and S.B. 803, requiring proof of state residence +to obtain Virginia Driver's License passed. S.B. 804, which +increases the penalty and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence for +""straw man"" purchases of multiple firearms passed. S.B. 858, +allowing possession of ""sawed-off"" rifles and shotguns in compliance +with federal law passed. S.B. 1054, making it a felony for first +offense of carrying a concealed firearm without a license (which the +NRA opposes until law-abiding citizens can acquire a concealed carry +license for self-defense), was defeated. H.B. 1900, increasing the +penalty for use of a firearm in committing a felony was passed. H.B. +2076, requiring proof of residence to obtain a driver's license +passed. H.B. 2272, providing for a referendum on the imposition of a +statewide three- day ""waiting period"" in handgun purchases was +defeated. + +Washington: SB 5160, calling for waiting periods and licensing for +all semi-automatic firearms, died in committee. + +West Virginia - S.C.R. 18, which calls for a study to control +transfers of handguns and ""Assault Weapons"" was defeated in the +Senate 24-10. + +Wisconsin - In a referendum up against all odds, the determined +efforts of the Madison Area Citizens Against Crime paid off on April +6 when a nonbinding referendum banning the possession of handguns in +Madison, Wisconsin, was defeated. Despite opposition to the ban -- +aired largely by firearms owners at a series of public meetings on +the issue -- the Common Council voted on February 17 to place the +referendum on the ballot, allowing only seven weeks of campaigning to +reverse public opinion on the controversial issue. + +An October 1992 poll conducted by the Wisconsin State Journal found +57% in support and 38% opposed, with 5% expressing no opinion. By +election day, of the more than 56,000 voters who went to the polls, +51% cast ballots in opposition to the proposal while 49% voted to +have the Madison Common Council enact such a ban. The campaign +committee, spearheaded by the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement and NRA-ILA, +relied on neighborhood canvassing, direct mail and radio/TV +advertising to educate voters on the civil liberties implications +raised by enforcement of the ban if the referendum was approved. + +Despite the surprising defeat, it is expected that the Madison +initiative's chief proponent, Mayor Paul Soglin, will attempt to have +the Common Council enact an ordinance banning handguns. + + Downloaded from GUN-TALK (703-719-6406) + A service of the + National Rifle Association + Institute for Legislative Action + Washington, DC 20036",16 +"Well, it's been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and +It will be a while before I have net access again (taking +time off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer +on joint operations, and anything else that looks good). +I have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on +things posted here. My final say is 9mm's are inferior +to .45's errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I'll be back. +I guess ""internet withdrawl"" starts around 1pm or so and +considering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am +really going to miss it. + +OH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the +""Military issue"" boots, good luck, I think you will be +happy with the tankers boots.",8 +"Just a quick reminder: + + The way you are interpreting those passages is your opinion. You make + it sound as if your opinion is somehow an undisputable fact. + + Many would interpret the passages you cite very differently. + + (Many have--several of the great theologians you mentioned do that + very thing. These were people who had much more expertise in the + interpretation of scripture than you or me or probably anyone reading + this newsgroup. To say that all of them are wrong and you are right + is, in my opinion, (notice those last three words) coming pretty darn + close to the sin of pride. + + In the future I would suggest you not be so absolutist in your + interpretations, especially when contradicting highly respected + doctors of Christianity.",15 +" + + + + +This is the problem. This is not hell, this is permanent death. It is +indeed what atheists (generally) expect and it is neither fair nor +unfair, it just is. You might as well argue about whether being made +mostly of carbon and water is ""fair"". + +However, the atheists who claim that Hell is unfair are talking about +the fire and brimstone place of endless suffering, which necessarily +includes eternal existance (life, I dunno, but some sort of continuation); +not at all the same thing. + +Granted, you clearly feel that hell=death, but this is not a univeral +sentiment as near as I can tell. + +If *your* idea of God ""condemns"" heathens to ordinary death, I have no +problem with that. I do have a problem with the gods that hide from humans +and torture the unbelievers eternally for not guessing right. + +[deletia- Hell, and Literalness.] + +--- + - Dan Johnson +And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0",15 +" Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God + of inbreeding to which you are his only son.",0 +" +I don't like this comment about ""Typical"" thinking. You could state +your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see +a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible +in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen +as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think +it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can +unify as well. + + +",17 +"Is there aything available for X similar to QuicKeys for the Macintosh -- +something that will allow me to store and playback sequences of keystrokes, +menu selections, and mouse actions - directing them towards another +application? + +If so, could someone send me information on its availability -- and if not, +how hard do we think it might be to send input to other X applications and, +hopefully, deal with their responses appropriately? (If an application is +going to take a few seconds to process I probably have to wait for it to +complete before sending another command.) + +thanks,",5 +" +Also, Alomar got a FAR greater boost from his home park than Baerga did from +his. And ""six or seven home runs""? Hmm. + +So, if you wanted to pick a second baseman to play in Toronto, you'd take +Alomar. Anywhere else, and you'd probably take Baerga. + +Mike",9 +"Hey folks-- + +I've got a pair of Dunlop sportmax radials of my ZX-10, and they've been +very sticky (ie no slides yet), but all this talk about the Metzelers has +me wondering if my next set should be a Lazer comp K and a radial Metzeler +rear...for hard sport-touring, how do the choices stack up?",8 +,14 +"------------- cut here ----------------- + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 13 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Gonorrhea -- Colorado, 1985-1992 + ================================ + SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 + + The number of reported cases of gonorrhea in Colorado increased 19.9% +from 1991 to 1992 after declining steadily during the 1980s. In comparison, in +the United States, reported cases of gonorrhea in 1992 continued an overall +decreasing trend (1). This report summarizes an analysis of the increase in +gonorrhea in Colorado in 1992 and characterizes trends in the occurrence of +this disease from 1985 through 1992. + In 1992, 4679 cases of gonorrhea were reported to the Colorado Department +of Health (CDH) compared with 3901 cases reported in 1991. During 1992, +reported cases increased 22.7% and 17.5% among females and males, respectively +(Table 1). Similar increases occurred among blacks, whites, and Hispanics +(15.6%, 15.1%, and 15.9%, respectively); however, the number of reported cases +with race not specified increased 88% from 1991 to 1992 and constituted 9.7% +of all reported cases in 1992. Although the largest proportional increases by +age groups occurred among persons aged 35-44 years (80.4%) and greater than or +equal to 45 years (87.7%), these age groups accounted for only 11.0% of all +reported cases in 1992. Persons in the 15-19-year age group accounted for the +largest number of reported cases of gonorrhea during 1992 and the highest age +group-specific rate (639 per 100,000). + Reported cases of gonorrhea increased 32.9% in the five-county Denver +metropolitan area (1990 population: 1,629,466) but decreased elsewhere in the +state (Table 1). Half the cases of gonorrhea in the Denver metropolitan area +occurred in 8.4% (34) of the census tracts; these represent neighborhoods +considered by sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)/acquired immunodeficiency +syndrome (AIDS) field staff to be the focus of gang and drug activity. + When compared with 1991, the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed among +men in the Denver Metro Health Clinic (DMHC, the primary public STD clinic in +the Denver metropolitan area) increased 33% in 1992, and the number of visits +by males to the clinic increased 2.4%. Concurrently, the number of cases +diagnosed among women increased by 1%. Among self-identified heterosexual men, +the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed at DMHC increased 33% and comprised +94% of all cases diagnosed in males, while the number of cases diagnosed among +self-identified homosexual men remained low (71 and 74 in 1991 and 1992, +respectively). + Four selected laboratories in the metropolitan Denver area (i.e., HMO, +university hospital, nonprofit family planning, and commercial) were contacted +to determine whether gonorrhea culture-positivity rates increased. Gonorrhea +culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories contacted increased +23%-33% from 1991 to 1992, while the rate was virtually unchanged in the +fourth (i.e., nonprofit family planning). + From 1985 through 1991, reported cases of gonorrhea among whites and +Hispanics in Colorado decreased; in comparison, reported cases among blacks + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 14 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +increased since 1988 (Figure 1). During 1988-1992, the population in Colorado +increased 9.9% for blacks, 9.8% for Hispanics, and 4.5% for whites. In 1992, +the gonorrhea rate for blacks (1935 per 100,000 persons) was 57 times that for +whites (34 per 100,000) and 12 times that for Hispanics (156 per 100,000) +(Table 1). Among black females, reported cases of gonorrhea increased from +1988 through 1992 in the 15-19-year age group; among black males, cases +increased from 1989 through 1992 in both the 15-19-and 20-24-year age groups. + +Reported by: KA Gershman, MD, JM Finn, NE Spencer, MSPH, STD/AIDS Program; RE +Hoffman, MD, State Epidemiologist, Colorado Dept of Health. JM Douglas, MD, +Denver Dept of Health and Hospitals. Surveillance and Information Systems Br, +Div of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and HIV Prevention, National Center for +Prevention Svcs, CDC. + +Editorial Note: The increase in reported gonorrhea cases in Colorado in 1992 +may represent an overall increase in the occurrence of this disease or more +complete reporting stimulated by visitations to laboratories by CDH +surveillance staff during 1991-1992. The increases in confirmed gonorrhea +cases at DMHC and in culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories +suggest a real increase in gonorrhea rather than a reporting artifact. +However, the stable culture-positivity rate in the nonprofit family planning +laboratory (which serves a network of clinics statewide) indicates that the +gonorrhea increase did not uniformly affect all segments of the population. + One possible explanation for the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in +Colorado may be gang- and drug-related sexual behavior, as implicated in a +recent outbreak of drug-resistant gonorrhea and other STDs in Colorado Springs +(2). Although the high morbidity census tracts in the Denver metropolitan area +coincide with areas of gang and drug activity, this hypothesis requires +further assessment. To examine the possible role of drug use -- implicated +previously as a factor contributing to the national increase in syphilis (3-6) +-- the CDH STD/AIDS program is collecting information from all persons in whom +gonorrhea is diagnosed regarding drug use, exchange of sex for money or drugs, +and gang affiliation. + The gonorrhea rate for blacks in Colorado substantially exceeds the +national health objective for the year 2000 (1300 per 100,000) (objective +19.1a) (7). Race is likely a risk marker rather than a risk factor for +gonorrhea and other STDs. Risk markers may be useful for identifying groups at +greatest risk for STDs and for targeting prevention efforts. Moreover, race- +specific variation in STD rates may reflect differences in factors such as +socioeconomic status, access to medical care, and high-risk behaviors. + In response to the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in Colorado, +interventions initiated by the CDH STD/AIDS program include 1) targeting +partner notification in the Denver metropolitan area to persons in groups at +increased risk (e.g., 15-19-year-old black females and 20-24-year-old black +males); 2) implementing a media campaign (e.g., public service radio + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 15 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +announcements, signs on city buses, newspaper advertisements, and posters in +schools and clinics) to promote awareness of STD risk and prevention targeted +primarily at high-risk groups, and 3) developing teams of peer educators to +perform educational outreach in high-risk neighborhoods. The educational +interventions are being developed and implemented with the assistance of +members of the target groups and with input from a forum of community leaders +and health-care providers. + +References + +1. CDC. Table II. Cases of selected notifiable diseases, United States, weeks +ending December 26, 1992, and December 28, 1991 (52nd week). MMWR 1993;41:975. + +2. CDC. Gang-related outbreak of penicillinase-producing Neisseria gonorrhoeae +and other sexually transmitted diseases -- Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1989- +1991. MMWR 1993;42:25-8. + +3. CDC. Relationship of syphilis to drug use and prostitution -- Connecticut +and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. MMWR 1988;37:755-8, 764. + +4. Rolfs RT, Goldberg M, Sharrar RG. Risk factors for syphilis: cocaine use +and prostitution. Am J Public Health 1990;80:853-7. + +5. Andrus JK, Fleming DW, Harger DR, et al. Partner notification: can it +control epidemic syphilis? Ann Intern Med 1990;112:539-43. + +6. Gershman KA, Rolfs RT. Diverging gonorrhea and syphilis trends in the +1980s: are they real? Am J Public Health 1991;81:1263-7. + +7. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and +disease prevention objectives--full report, with commentary. Washington, DC: +US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS +publication no. (PHS)91-50212. + + + + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 16 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Effectiveness in Disease and Injury Prevention + Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Restraint Use Among + Children less than 11 Years of Age -- Selected States, + 1988 and 1989 + ====================================================== + SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 + + Motor-vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death among children and +young adults in the United States and account for more than 1 million years of +potential life lost before age 65 annually (1). Child safety seats and safety +belts can substantially reduce this loss (2). From 1977 through 1985, all 50 +states passed legislation requiring the use of child safety seats or safety +belts for children. Although these laws reduce injuries to young children by +an estimated 8%-59% (3,4), motor-vehicle crash-related injuries remain a major +cause of disability and death among U.S. children (1), while the use of +occupant restraints among children decreases inversely with age (84% usage for +those aged 0-4 years; 57%, aged 5-11 years; and 29%, aged 12-18 years) (5). In +addition, parents who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to +use restraints for their children (6). To characterize the association between +adult safety-belt use and adult-reported consistent use of occupant restraints +for the youngest child aged less than 11 years within a household, CDC +analyzed data obtained from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System +(BRFSS) during 1988 and 1989. This report summarizes the findings from this +study. + Data were available for 20,905 respondents aged greater than or equal to +18 years in 11 states * that participated in BRFSS -- a population-based, +random-digit-dialed telephone survey -- and administered a standard Injury +Control and Child Safety Module developed by CDC. Of these respondents, 5499 +(26%) had a child aged less than 11 years in their household. Each respondent +was asked to specify the child's age and the frequency of restraint use for +that child. The two categories of child restraint and adult safety-belt use in +this analysis were 1) consistent use (i.e., always buckle up) and 2) less than +consistent use (i.e., almost always, sometimes, rarely, or never buckle up). +Data were weighted to provide estimates representative of each state. Software +for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) (7) was used to calculate point estimates +and confidence intervals. Statistically significant differences were defined +by p values of less than 0.05. + Each of the 11 states had some type of child restraint law. Of these, six +(Arizona, Kentucky, Maine, Nebraska, Rhode Island, and West Virginia) had no +law requiring adults to use safety belts; four (Idaho, Maryland, Pennsylvania, +and Washington) had a secondary enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., a +vehicle had to be stopped for a traffic violation before a citation for nonuse +of safety belts could be issued); and one state (New York) had a primary +enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., vehicles could be stopped for a +safety-belt law violation alone). In nine states, child-passenger protection + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 17 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +laws included all children aged less than 5 years, but the other two states +used both age and size of the child as criteria for mandatory restraint use. +The analysis in this report subgrouped states into 1) those having a law +requiring adult safety-belt use (law states), and 2) those without such a law +(no-law states). + Overall, 21% of children aged less than 11 years reportedly were not +consistently restrained during automobile travel. Both child restraint use and +adult restraint use were significantly higher (p less than 0.05, chi-square +test) in law states than in no-law states (81.1% versus 74.3% and 58.7% versus +43.2%, respectively). + High rates of restraint use for children aged less than or equal to 1 +year were reported by both adults indicating consistent and less than +consistent safety-belt use (Figure 1). Adults with consistent use reported +high rates of child-occupant restraint use regardless of the child's age +(range: 95.5% for 1-year-olds to 84.7% for 10-year-olds). In comparison, for +adults reporting less than consistent safety-belt use, the rate of child- +occupant restraint use declined sharply by the age of the child (range: 93.1% +for 1-year-olds to 28.8% for 10-year-olds). When comparing children of +consistent adult safety-belt users with children of less than consistent adult +safety-belt users, 95% confidence intervals overlap for the two youngest age +groups (i.e., aged less than 1 and 1 year). + Reported child-occupant restraint use in law states generally exceeded +that in no-law states, regardless of age of child (Table 1). In addition, +higher adult educational attainment was significantly associated with +increased restraint use for children, a factor that has also been associated +with increased adult safety-belt use (8). + +Reported by: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control; National +Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC. + +Editorial Note: The findings in this report are consistent with others +indicating that adults who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely +to employ occupant restraints for their children (6,9). Because these +nonbelted adults are at increased risk of crashing and more likely to exhibit +other risk-taking behaviors, children traveling with them may be at greater +risk for motor-vehicle injury (10). + Educational attainment of adult respondents was inversely associated with +child restraint use in this report. Accordingly, occupant-protection programs +should be promoted among parents with low educational attainment. Because low +educational attainment is often associated with low socioeconomic status, such +programs should be offered to adults through health-care facilities that serve +low-income communities or through federal programs (i.e., Head Start) that are +directed at parents with young children. + Injury-prevention programs emphasize restraining young children. In +addition, however, efforts must be intensified to protect child occupants as + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 18 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +they become older. Parents, especially those with low educational attainment, +those who do not consistently wear safety belts, and those from states that do +not have mandatory safety-belt use laws, should be encouraged to wear safety +belts and to protect their children by using approved child safety seats and +safety belts. Finally, the increased use of restraints among children may +increase their likelihood of using safety belts when they become teenagers -- +the age group characterized by the lowest rate of safety-belt use and the +highest rate of fatal crashes (5). + +References + +1. CDC. Childhood injuries in the United States. Am J Dis Child 1990;144:627- +46. + +2. Partyka SC. Papers on child restraints: effectiveness and use. Washington, +DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety +Administration, 1988; report no. DOT-HS-807-286. + +3. Guerin D, MacKinnon D. An assessment of the California child passenger +restraint requirement. Am J Public Health 1985;75:142-4. + +4. Hall W, Orr B, Suttles D, et al. Progress report on increasing child +restraint usage through local education and distribution programs. Chapel +Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Highway +Safety Research Center, 1983. + +5. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Occupant protection trends +in 19 cities. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National +Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 1991. + +6. Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ, Margolis LH. Characteristics of child safety seat +users. Accid Anal Prev 1988;20:311-22. + +7. Shah BV, Barnwell BG, Hunt PN, LaVange LM. Software for Survey Data +Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.50 Software documentation. Research Triangle +Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle Institute, 1991. + +8. Lund AK. Voluntary seat belt use among U.S. drivers: geographic, +socioeconomic and demographic variation. Accid Anal Prev 1986;18:43-50. + +9. Margolis LH, Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ. Use and misuse of automobile child +restraint devices. Am J Dis Child 1992;146:361-6. + +10. Hunter WW, Stutts JC, Stewart JR, Rodgman EA. Characteristics of seatbelt +users and non-users in a state with a mandatory use law. Health Education + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 19 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Research 1990;5:161-73. + +* Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Nebraska, New York, Pennsylvania, +Rhode Island, Washington, and West Virginia. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 20 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries + ========================================= + SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 + + Since 1983, CDC has published the CDC Surveillance Summaries under +separate cover as part of the MMWR series. Each report published in the CDC +Surveillance Summaries focuses on public health surveillance; surveillance +findings are reported for a broad range of risk factors and health conditions. + Summaries for each of the reports published in the most recent (March 19, +1993) issue of the CDC Surveillance Summaries (1) are provided below. All +subscribers to MMWR receive the CDC Surveillance Summaries, as well as the +MMWR Recommendations and Reports, as part of their subscriptions. + + SURVEILLANCE FOR AND COMPARISON OF BIRTH DEFECT PREVALENCES + IN TWO GEOGRAPHIC + AREAS -- UNITED STATES, 1983-88 + + Problem/Condition: CDC and some states have developed surveillance +systems to monitor the birth prevalence of major defects. + Reporting Period Covered: This report covers birth defects surveillance +in metropolitan Atlanta, Georgia, and selected jurisdictions in California for +the years 1983-1988. + Description of System: The California Birth Defects Monitoring Program +and the Metropolitan Atlanta Congenital Defects Program are two population- +based surveillance systems that employ similar data collection methods. The +prevalence estimates for 44 diagnostic categories were based on data for 1983- +1988 for 639,837 births in California and 152,970 births in metropolitan +Atlanta. The prevalences in the two areas were compared, adjusting for race, +sex, and maternal age by using Poisson regression. + Results: Regional differences in the prevalence of aortic stenosis, fetal +alcohol syndrome, hip dislocation/dysplasia, microcephalus, obstruction of the +kidney/ureter, and scoliosis/lordosis may be attributable to general +diagnostic variability. However, differences in the prevalences of arm/hand +limb reduction, encephalocele, spina bifida, or trisomy 21 (Down syndrome) are +probably not attributable to differences in ascertainment, because these +defects are relatively easy to diagnose. + Interpretation: Regional differences in prenatal diagnosis and pregnancy +termination may affect prevalences of trisomy 21 and spina bifida. However, +the reason for differences in arm/hand reduction is unknown, but may be +related to variability in environmental exposure, heterogeneity in the gene +pool, or random variation. + Actions Taken: Because of the similarities of these data bases, several +collaborative studies are being implemented. In particular, the differences in +the birth prevalence of spina bifida and Down syndrome will focus attention on +the impact of prenatal diagnosis. Authors: Jane Schulman, Ph.D., Nancy + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 21 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Jensvold, M.P.H, Gary M. Shaw, Dr.P.H., California Birth Defects Monitoring +Program, March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation. Larry D. Edmonds, M.S.P.H., +Anne B. McClearn, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, +National Center for Environmental Health, CDC. + + INFLUENZA -- UNITED STATES, 1988-89 + + Problem/Condition: CDC monitors the emergence and spread of new influenza +virus variants and the impact of influenza on morbidity and mortality annually +from October through May. + Reporting Period Covered: This report covers U.S. influenza surveillance +conducted from October 1988 through May 1989. + Description of System: Weekly reports from the vital statistics offices +of 121 cities provided an index of influenza's impact on mortality; 58 WHO +collaborating laboratories reported weekly identification of influenza +viruses; weekly morbidity reports were received both from the state and +territorial epidemiologists and from 153 sentinel family practice physicians. +Nonsystematic reports of outbreaks and unusual illnesses were received +throughout the year. + Results: During the 1988-89 influenza season, influenza A(H1N1) and B +viruses were identified in the United States with essentially equal frequency +overall, although both regional and temporal patterns of predominance shifted +over the course of the season. Throughout the season increases in the indices +of influenza morbidity in regions where influenza A(H1N1) predominated were +similar to increases in regions where influenza B predominated. Only 7% of +identified viruses were influenza A(H3N2), but isolations of this subtype +increased as the season waned, and it subsequently predominated during the +1989-90 season. During the 1988-89 season outbreaks in nursing homes were +reported in association with influenza B and A(H3N2) but not influenza +A(H1N1). + Interpretation: The alternating temporal and geographic predominance of +influenza strains A(H1N1) and B during the 1988-89 season emphasizes the +importance of continual attention to regional viral strain surveillance, since +amantadine is effective only for treatment and prophylaxis of influenza A. + Actions Taken: Weekly interim analyses of surveillance data produced +throughout the season allow physicians and public health officials to make +informed choices regarding appropriate use of amantadine. CDC's annual +surveillance allows the observed viral variants to be assessed as candidates +for inclusion as components in vaccines used in subsequent influenza seasons. +Authors: Louisa E. Chapman, M.D., M.S.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of +the Director, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for +Infectious Diseases; Margaret A. Tipple, M.D., Division of Quarantine, +National Center for Prevention Services, CDC. Suzanne Gaventa Folger, M.P.H., +Health Investigations Branch, Division of Health Studies, Agency for Toxic +Substances and Disease Registry. Maurice Harmon, Ph.D., Connaught + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 22 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Laboratories, Pasteur-Mirieux Company, Swiftwater, Pennsylvania. Alan P. +Kendal, Ph.D., European Regional Office, World Health Organization, +Copenhagen, Denmark. Nancy J. Cox, Ph.D., Influenza Branch, Division of Viral +and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; Lawrence B. +Schonberger, M.D., M.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of the Director, +Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious +Diseases, CDC. + +Reference + +1. CDC. CDC surveillance summaries (March 19). MMWR 1993;42(no. SS-1). + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 23 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + + +:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: + Clinical Research News +:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: + + Clinical Research News for + Arizona Physicians + + Vol. 4, No. 4, April 1993 Tucson, Arizona + +Published monthly by the Office of Public Affairs at The University of Arizona + Health Sciences Center. + Copyright 1993, The University of Arizona + + High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies + +Following the birth of the first in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer (IVF- +ET) baby in 1978, a host of assisted reproductive technologies have been +developed that include IVF-ET, gamete intrafallopian tube transfer (GIFT), +embryo cryopreservation (freezing) and gamete micromanipulation. Together, +these technologies are referred to as the high-tech assisted reproductive +technology (ART) procedures. + +Ovulation induction, sperm insemination and surgery for tubal disease and/or +pathology still are the mainstays of the therapies available for infertility +management. However, when these fail, it almost always is appropriate to +proceed with one of the ART procedures. + +Therefore, in addition to a comprehensive basic and general infertility +service at The University of Arizona Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and +Infertility, there is a program of Assisted Reproduction that specializes in +ART procedures. This program serves as a tertiary provider for those patients +in the state of Arizona whose infertility problems cannot be resolved by the +traditional therapies. + +The following article (on back) describes the ART procedures available in our +Center, clarifies appropriate applications for each, and considers the +realistic expectations for their success. Procedures included are: + +o in vitro +o fertilization - embryo transfer (IVF-ET), gamete intrafallopian tube + transfer +o (GIFT), cryopreservation of human embryos and gamete micromanipulation. +This article also considers ongoing research in our program that is directed +towards improved success of these technologies. + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 24 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Future Areas of Research + +In addition to ongoing research that is directed exclusively toward the +management of infertile couples, we are developing the technology to assist +couples who are at risk for producing embryos with a serious hereditary +disease. + +This technology involves biopsying the preimplantation human embryo and then +subjecting the biopsied cells to genetic analysis using either DNA +amplification or fluorescent in situ hybridization. + +There are recent reports of the successful application of DNA amplification by +other centers, for example, for diagnosis of the genes for cystic fibrosis and +hemophilia. We hope to apply and further focus fluorescent in situ +hybridization technology for probing the X chromosome, the identification of +which will provide a scientific basis for counselling patients who exhibit +sex-linked disorders. + +The considerable clinical application of such technology lies in the fact that +it circumvents the need for prenatal diagnosis, in addition to the possibility +of a subsequent termination of affected fetuses, in order to avoid the birth +of affected children. + + +Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. +Associate Professor and Director of Research +Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology +College of Medicine +University of Arizona +Tucson, Arizona + + Applications, Success Rates and Advances for the + Management of Infertility + +The following are the ART procedures available at The University of Arizona +Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility. + + In Vitro Fertilization - Embryo Transfer is the core ART procedure of our +Assisted Reproduction Program. This procedure involves retrieval of +unfertilized eggs from the ovary, their insemination in vitro in a dish, and +the culture of resultant embryos for 1 or 2 days, before they are transferred +to the patient's uterus. All cultures are maintained in an incubator under +strictly controlled atmospheric and temperature conditions. Before being +processed for use in insemination, semen samples are evaluated in our +andrology laboratory using both subjective light microscopy and computer- + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 25 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +assisted semen analyses. To ensure an adequate number of eggs with which to +perform IVF-ET, or indeed, GIFT, follicular development is typically +stimulated, with gonadotropins (perganol, metrodin), gonadotropin releasing +hormone (GnRH, Factrel, lutrepulse) and/or GnRH analogues (lupron, Depo +lupron, synarel). Occasionally, however, IVF-ET is accomplished with eggs +obtained in non-stimulated cycles. While some programs utilize laparoscopic +egg retrieval in the operating room with the patient under general anesthesia, +we undertake the less costly approach of ultrasound-guided retrieval in our +Infertility Unit, with the patient sedated. + Couples who resort to IVF-ET exhibit such pathologies as tubal +deficiencies, ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, and/or mild forms of male +factor infertility. According to the United States IVF Registry, the overall +success rate for IVF-ET nationwide has stabilized at about 14 percent per +cycle. Results from our program, involving 86 patients who have undergone 173 +IVF-ET cycles, reflect a comparable success rate. + Nevertheless, the overall incidence of success with this procedure is +disconcertingly low and emphasizes the need to address those physiological +factors that limit achievement of a higher percentage of pregnancies. Well +recognized predictors of outcome include patient age, response to exogenous +ovarian stimulation, quality of sperm and number of repeated IVF-ET cycle +attempts. However, among these, age is the single most significant determinant +of conception. Therefore, it is critical that such patients are referred to an +Assisted Reproduction Program at the earliest opportunity following failure of +traditional therapies. + The underlying basis for the negative effect of age on fertility has not +been clearly delineated beyond recognition that: 1) the number of eggs +available for retrieval declines markedly with age; 2) fertilization rates +significantly decrease in eggs retrieved from patients who are over 40 years; +and 3) provided the appropriate hormonal background is present, age is +unrelated to uterine competency to sustain pregnancy. Ongoing research in our +Center, therefore, is investigating physiological changes in the egg that may +be impacted by age. We have determined that more than 50 percent of eggs that +fail to fertilize in vitro are chromosomally abnormal, and that a significant +proportion of these abnormalities are accountable to patient age. Currently, +the only recourse for such patients is to use eggs obtained from a donor. Our +program has initiated recruitment of volunteer egg donors to satisfy the needs +of a list of recipients interested in this form of therapy. + + GIFT - This high-tech ART procedure is performed in the operating room, +usually with the use of a laparoscope and, in contrast to IVF-ET, involves +introducing sperm and freshly retrieved eggs into the lumen of the Fallopian +tube (an average of 3 eggs/tube). Under these circumstances, fertilization +occurs in vivo and, if excess eggs are retrieved, the remainder undergo IVF, +with subsequent options for embryo transfer in that cycle, or freezing for +transfer in a subsequent cycle. This ART procedure is applied to cases in + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 26 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +which there is at least one patent Fallopian tube but the couple has such +pathologies as ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, male factor infertility +and/or idiopathic infertility. + The data reported in the United States IVF Registry for 1985 through 1990 +indicate that the overall success rate with GIFT is higher than that obtained +with the IVF-ET technique (range of clinical pregnancies for GIFT is 24 to 36 +percent and for IVF-ET 14 to 18 percent). In view of this fact, one might +expect more patients to be treated with GIFT than IVF-ET. However, in our +program we have taken into account three basic concerns which, while +substantially reducing the number of GIFT cycles performed, benefit the +patient. These concerns are: 1) the increased costs associated with performing +a procedure in the operating room; 2) the risks, albeit minimal, of undergoing +general anesthesia; and 3) the considerable benefits to be accrued from +obtaining direct information on the quality and fertilizability of the eggs, +and the developmental competency of resultant embryos. + The increased success with GIFT undoubtedly reflects the artificial +environment provided by the laboratory in the IVF-ET procedure. Between +January 1, 1991, and December 31, 1992, we have performed a total of 12 GIFT +cycles, with an overall success rate of 20 percent. + Embryo cryopreservation, or freezing, is applied in our program when +embryos result from residual GIFT eggs or from non-transferred IVF embryos. +This procedure not only provides patients with a subsequent opportunity for +success at much reduced costs, but also circumvents the legal and ethical +issues relating to disposal of supernumerary embryos. Therefore, as stipulated +by the American Fertility Society ethical guidelines for ART programs, from +both a practical and an ethical standpoint, all Assisted Reproduction programs +should have the capability of cryopreserving human embrys. + Gamete Micromanipulation - This ART procedure, which is still very new, +is applied to couples who are unaccepting of insemination with donor semen but +who have severe male factor infertility (less than 10 million sperm/ml in +combination with fewer than 20 perccent motile sperm, and/or less than 10 +percent sperm with normal morphology). We are currently developing the +procedure of sub-zonal insertion (SZI), which entails injecting sperm under +the coating around the egg, the barrier normally penetrated by the sperm +through enzymatic digestion. + Available data from SZI programs world-wide indicate that only 5 to 10 +percent of SZI cycles result in a pregnancy. This statistic undoubtedly +relates to limitations imposed by abnormalities inherent in the sperm. +Therefore, we are currently focusing on the development of improved techniques +for the recognition and selection of sperm chosen for manipulation. Such +efforts are unquestionably worthwhile in view of the fact that this technology +offers the only realistic opportunity for severe male factor patients to +establish conception. + +Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 27 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Associate Professor and Director of Research +Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology +College of Medicine +--------- end of part 2 ------------ +",13 +"excuse me for my ignorance. But I remember reading once that the +Biblical tribe known as the Philistines still exists...they are the modern +day Palestinians. +Anyone out there with more info, please post it!!!",0 +" +That's closer, but I dislike ""apps"". ""software"" (vs. ""hardware"") +would be better. Would that engulf alt.graphics.pixutils? Or would +that be ""programmer""? + +I don't know if traffic is really heavy enough to warrant a newsgroup +split. Look how busy comp.graphics.research is (not). + +It's true that a lot of the traffic here is rehashing FAQs and +discussing things that would probably be better diverted to +system-specific groups, but I don't know whether a split would help +or hurt that cause. + +Maybe we need a comp.graphics.RTFB for all those people who can't be +bothered to read the fine books out there. Right, Dr. Rogers? :-)",1 +"Well thank you dennis for your as usual highly detailed and informative +posting. + +The question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at +one of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be +handled at kourou or Vandenberg? + +Now if it uses storables, then how long would it take for the russians +to equip something at cape york? + +If Proton were launched from a western site, how would it compare to the +T4/centaur? As i see it, it should lift very close to the T4.",14 +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: conf:mideast.levant + + +Rights of children violated by the State of Israel (selected +articles of the IV Geneva Convention of 1949) +------------------------------------------------------------- +Article 31: No physical or moral coercion shall be exercised +against protected persons, in particular to obtain information +from them or from third parties. + +Article 32: The High Contracting Parties specifically agree that +each of them is prohibited from taking any measure of such a +character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of +protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not +only to murder, torture, corporal punishment (...) but also to any +other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or +military agents. + +Article 33: No protected person may be punished for an offence he +or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and +likewise measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. + +Article 34: Taking of hostages is prohibited. + +Article 49: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as +deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the +territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, +occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive. + +Article 50: The Occupying Power shall, with the cooperation of +the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working +of all institutions devoted to the care and education of +children. + +Article 53: Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or +personal property belonging individually or collectively to +private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, +or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except +where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by +military operations.",17 +" + ^^^ +How long does he have to take in fixing it? Does he have to use new +parts when he repairs it or can he substitute used parts without your +knowledge? Can he charge you for repairs that should be under warranty +but he claims are due to improper maintenance on your part? + +When it comes to local dealers: + +- Have fun getting consistently good support. Most of their ""techs"" are +re-treaded salesmen, not trained technicians, with a high turnover rate. + +- Have fun getting in-warranty work done quickly and courteously. + +- Have fun getting out-of-warranty work done cheaply, or even done +period, unless you are on a paid service contract. + +Having been both a service technician, and a service manager, at a +ComputerLand franchise and another retail computer place, I know what +I'm talking about. + +I also know the ""local service"" scam that retail computer dealers like +to push when they're selling. It's that same old song that car dealers +having been singing for years -- ""Buy from me and you'll get good +service. We always treat our customers right! Buy from my competition +and you'll be sorry if you need service."" + +Experienced mail order buyers know that there are some mail order +companies that give excellent service, including overnight replacement parts, +on-site calls, etc. There are probably some local dealers that can give you +good service, too. But if you think all local dealers give consistenly good +service, you are wrong. I have many anectdotes to prove my point, +but I'm sure there are others on the net can do a better job than I can.",3 +"To:All + +Hi, + +Does anybody have the source code to the externel processes that comes with 3D +Studio, and mabe som kind of DOC for writing the processes your self. + + +/Lars + ++++ Author: Lars_Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se, Syntax BBS, Denmark",1 +"I believe we are down to two: the 15-day and the 60-day. (I don't remember +a 30-day, but rather a 21-day. Anyways, it's gone now.) The period length +is a minimum, not a maximum. You can keep a guy on the 15-day for as long +as you want, IF he's still certified as injured. The player must be +periodically re-evaluated to determine if he's still injured (thus you +cannot park a player on the DL who maybe is out of options and you do not +wish to expose to waivers). If you get someone qualified for the 60-day +that reduces the frequency of re-evaluations. There is no longer, I +believe, any limit to the number of players you can place on the DL. When +there was, you often had to choose and juggle your injured players between +the lists. +--King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""No taxes: No new taxes, +kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |no old taxes, we are taxed +Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |enough."" -- Rep. Alan Keyes +Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% | (please run, Alan!) +",9 +" + +Is this a joke? The legal way to serve a search warrant is to knock on +the door. Tossing in a grenade to serve a search warrant violates the +US Constitution and is hence, illegal. The BD complied with legal +search warrants in the past. I do not understand why the BATF used an +illegal means to serve their search warrant last February.",16 +"From article <1993Apr15.205654.20845@news.cs.indiana.edu>, by ""Mohammad Al-Ansari"" : +Get back to your vendors, or better yet the board manufactures and get +some more info: + Where made. + Norton indexes (yeah I know BMs suck but whats a mother to do?) + number of slots, and types, # ESIA and # 32 bit? + Any IDE or SCSI on board? + How easy to upgrade RAM, location and # of pins. + OVERDRIVE? + Oscilator kits? + Does it have a 16550 UART? + Who's BIOS?",3 +" +If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/ +finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the +current payoff cost. + +If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the +payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you. (If this +turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.) +Subtract this difference from the price of the new car. This is the +size of the loan you will need for the new car. + +The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out +of the money you give them when you pick up your new car. + +At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio... + + + +",7 +"Selling X-men for the C64/128 for only $10 plus shipping. + + +first email gets it...",6 +"Hi all, + I've been following this thread about jacob's ladder for a few weeks and I +happened to come across one of the best project books that I've seen in a +while. The book ""Gadgeteer's Goldmine"" by Gordon McComb offers over 55 +excellent low cost projects including: Jacob's Ladder, tesla coils, plasma +spheres, a Van de Graaff generator, robots, an IR scope, and several laser +projects. The instructions come with complete part lists, warnings and +diagrams. For those of you who are interested in building any of the above +listed projects, you should seriously consider getting this book. The +paperback version is only $19.95 too. + +For those who want more information: +Title: Gadgeteer's Goldmine! 55 Space-Age Projects +Auth: Gordon McComb +Pub: TAB Books +CW: 1990 +ISBN: 0-8306-8360-7 + 0-8306-3360-X (paperback) + Price: $19.95 (paperback) + + -Scott",12 +"No, that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city. + +Unless you have an accident, you won't need more. If you plan on +paying for the car with a credit card, check and see if your card +automatically covers rental cars. Also, your own auto insurance may +cover rental cars also. + +Most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent, and +require you to initial in several spots if you don't want it. The +credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of +coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell. + +I have never rented from Alamo, so I don't know if they follow this +same practice. + +Yes. It is a compact 2-door, probably a bit dull performance and +acceleration-wise, but very adequate. It will have an automatic +transmission, AM/FM stereo, air conditioning, and possibly power +windows and door locks. + +Joe + + +",7 +"Hay all: + + Has anyone out there heard of any performance stats on the fabled p24t. + I was wondering what it's performance compared to the 486/66 and/or +pentium would be. Any info would be helpful. + +Later +BoB +-- +Robert Novitskey | rrn@po.cwru.edu | (216)754-2134 | CWRU Cleve. Ohio +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +COMPUTER ENGINEER AND C PROGRAMMER | NOW SEEKING SUMMER JOBS",3 +" + + +It sounds like your TV is one of the ones that also reacts to the video +protection. (Poor you!) + +The Macroscrubber from Radio Electronics removes the protection so you +souldn't have any more problems. However, if you use the method of +copying it from one VCR to another where the second VCR doesn't react to +the protection, you will end up with a duplicate tape, including the +protection. + +One thought comes to mind about your problem... When playing the tape +for viewing, are you feeding the signal from the source VCR through an +extra device before going to the TV? If you feed it through a second VCR +first, that is your problem. As to other devices such as converters, I +don't know if they would react or not. Just to be safe, you might want +to make sure that you have NOTHING between the VCR and TV.",12 +"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- + + + 2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks + like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to + town. + +Depends.. Its possible that the phone sends its serial number in the +clear at some specified interval... So all a listener needs to do is +get that SN, and then get the key for it... So swapping phones isn't +a problem (for the gov't, that is). They still know that this line +belongs to you, so they just watch the line and see the SN, and then +they get the key for that SN... + + In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 + +Well, I think this is understood. The major problem is that a lot of +people just don't trust this key escrow stuff, and the fact that the +algorithms are classified... So, yes, a lot of this needs to be looked +at closer! + +- -derek + +PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: + pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: 2.2 + +iQBuAgUBK9EbXDh0K1zBsGrxAQHzcALCAlvWtnvi7aySWf565id1MN++nsybTwQI +jQLgPKX/4tx6qjGC69BUQRZAtMQutkoVnvx/MqT5EZFM7uundRWD4cOwbb7CC4Gy +gT7JtLRqU0aF9VSf4SGNQqg= +=fGRj +-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",11 +,18 +,17 +" +Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people +are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). +Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time +you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: +Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. + +Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland",0 +" +I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in +our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward +one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished +values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the +clues. The fact that we are sapping the economic strength of americans +to prop up a former and possibly future enemy is just another. The fact +the words like community of nations, global village and international +business are in vogue are others. International corporations are +destroying our identy and economy and the propaganda they are playing +through the media and government is over powering our ability to resist. +Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have +already lost a great deal of sovergnty. + +The bottome line is that the single most evil aspect of One World +Government is that you have nowhere to run to and history has proven +that would be a disaster. ",16 +"Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will +include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with +accessories. +",6 +"Yeah - they also gave it their ""Editor's Choice"" in the run-down of +graphics accelerators they tested in the previous issue, which is why +I bought (and then returned) mine. The only conclusion I can come up with +is that PC Magazine has wildly different ways on determining the worthiness +of a video card than I do. +",1 +"Thanks Ron and Peter for some very nice maps. + +I have an advice though. You wrote that the maps were reduced to 256 +colors. As far ad I understand JPEG pictures gets much better (and +the compressed files smaller) if you use the original 3 color 24 bit +data when converting to JPEG. + +Thanks again, +",14 +" +[Text deleted, no value judgement implied] + + +More than shocking. What this says to me is no less than that government +is very interested in monitoring the public. This does more than scare me, +it mortifies me. + +PGP and RIPEM must become widespread enough to resist what Mr. Finney has +[IMHO correctly] identified as the next logical step. What was once an +academic discussion with regard to concealing cyphertext, has now become +a real consideration. + +The rhetoric that the clinton administration seems obsessed with, harmony, +either or propositions, tension, tells me that they know how difficult +it will be to sell this proposition. + +The phrase I hear more and more is ""I can't believe this is actually happening +here."" Call me conserative, Clinton was a huge mistake that we'll all be +paying for tommorow and many years from now. + +Have we approached the age of speakeasy public key depositiories? + +uni (Dark)",11 +" + There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:",7 +"Al Weiss played second for the White Sox in the early sixties, chiefly as +back up to Don Buford. Good glove, no hit, some spunk. + +(Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?) +",9 +"Just as the title suggest, is it okay to do that? +I havne't got DOS6 yet, but I heart DoubleSpace is less tight than stacker 3.0. +What are disadvantage/advantages by doing that? + +Any comments will be appreciated.",2 +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. + +/* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ +/* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Madness."" ---------- */ +FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. + +Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv's time). Friday local Tel Aviv's +paper, affiliated with Maariv. + +Date: 19 February 1993 + +Journalist: Guy Ehrlich + +Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan +(Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate +within the occupied territories. + +Excerpts from the article: + +""A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as +Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most +important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is +that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one +way or another insane"". + +A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name +is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge +from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be +called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to +depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different +from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript +service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely +different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures +about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their +fellows from the Cherry it woundn't be easy either. Yet after they +began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking. +The following article will contain all the horror stories +recounted with an appalling openness. + +(...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in +which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We +called such soldiers H.I. 'Hit by the Intifada'. Under my command +was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common +phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I +should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On +Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to +until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The +keys of my father's car must be ready for in advance, so that I +can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don't +want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it +instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time +and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only +there I become normal.(...) + +(...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother. +It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to +me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which +was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how +exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began +to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh +straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a +mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov +cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as +they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with +the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I +was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the +Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit +him straight in his ass. We both felt that we'd pulled off +something. + +Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts +in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that +spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab, +blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: 'Shut +up' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed +straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at +something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: 'All +right, wait a moment'. I left him in order to take a look at +another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be +saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the +help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all +this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight +into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt +I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he +omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over +her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn't know +what to say. + +(...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls +upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a +field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend +shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the +hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it. +We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two +deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we +saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to +such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully +inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of +the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We +had hit'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too, +so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my +revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short +distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the +bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall +outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of +blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our +madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like +beasts of prey. We couldn't explain what had happened to us. We +were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we +felt the whole day very badly. + +(...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in. +This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may +be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel +Godlike of sorts."" + +(...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment +studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any +security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. 'Why +shouldn't I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ? +Why shouldn't I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver +while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits +me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a +reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to +Bosnia in order to fight there.""",17 +"Okay all my friends are bitching at me that the map I made in Appsoft Draw +can't be displayed in ""xv""... I checked... It's true, at least with version +1.0. My readers on the NeXT have very little trouble on it (Preview messes +up the .eps, but does fine with the TIFF and ImageViewer0.9a behaves with +flying colors except it doesn't convert worth *&^^% ;-) ) + + Please is there any way I can convert this .drw from Appsoft 1.0 on the NeXT +to something more reasonable like .gif? I have access to a sun4 and NeXTstep +3.0 systems. any good reliable conversion programs would be helpful... please +email, I'll post responses if anyone wants me to... please email that to. + +Yes I used alphachannel... (god i could choke steve jobs right now ;-) ) + +Yes i know how to archie, but tell me what to archie for ;-) + +Also is there a way to convert to .ps plain format? ImageViiewer0.9 turns +out nothing recognizable.... + + terrychay + +--- +small editorial + +-rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 2908404 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff +-rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 73525 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff.Z",1 +" + First of all, without wanting to sound nagging and bossy, yes it is +a trivial answer and that's perfectly fine ( otherwise how is one supposed +to move up to the complicated and challenging questions, we net readers so +much enjoy :) ?), and the massive crossposting of your article was not + justified... +Please refer to appropriate newsgroups next time (by the way c.o.msw.misc is +OK :) ). Now as far as your problem is concerned: try playing around with +the settings in the 'Fonts..."" dialog box under the window control menu (that +little square at the top left corner of the window..). + +",2 +" + +",18 +" + +To put it mildly. As I watched the Flyers demolish Toronto last night, 4-0, +I realized that no matter how good the Leafs' #1 line may be, they'll need +one or two more decent lines to go far in the playoffs. And, of course, a +healthy Felix Potvin.",10 +" +A long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet +I own no firearms. + + +Amen, brother. + +-- +Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA + +",16 +" + +henrik] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their +henrik] RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are +henrik] INVADING their homeland. + + +HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today +HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) +HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the +HE] the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? With facist methods like +HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the +HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to +HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds +HE] by the Armenians. + +Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno- +Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas +between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade +Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying +because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this +policy. + +If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land +in the first place, not the Armenians. + +henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane +henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one +henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane +henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. + +HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes +HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities +HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo +HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. +HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of +HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not +HE] humanitarian aid..... + +What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending +aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in +the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out. + + +HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. +HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons +HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan +HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons +HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons?",17 +"I have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games: + +Sonic the Hedgehog (I) +Revenge of Shinobi +Thunderforce III + +I'm asking $160 OBO. I can best be reached via email, or alternatively, +by phone at: (415) 497-3719.",6 +"Also note (from and ): + +% whois -h rs.internic.net tis-dom +Trusted Information Systems, Inc. (TIS-DOM) + 3060 Washington Road, Route 97 + Glenwood, MD 21738 + + Domain Name: TIS.COM + + Administrative Contact: + Walker, Stephen T. (STW3) walker@TIS.COM + (301) 854-6889 + Technical Contact, Zone Contact: + Dalva, David I. (DID1) dave@TIS.COM + (301) 854-6889 + + Record last updated on 02-Jul-92. + + Domain servers in listed order: + + TIS.COM 192.33.112.100 + LA.TIS.COM 192.5.49.8 + + And ""dockmaster"" is an infamous address ... +",11 +" + +Exactly when will the hover test be done, and will any of the TV +networks carry it. I really want to see that... +",14 +" +I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). +My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly +infinitely easier to write than to read, which I think hurts your +acceptance by anything that will need to read those images (e.g., +paint programs). + +In a nutshell, I don't think TIFF is salvageable unless the fat is +trimmed significantly- and then it wouldn't be TIFF anymore. They +keep trying to cut it back, but it's late now. Maybe they >will< fix it, +and change that magic number to signify the lack of compatibility. +That would probably make me happy.",1 +"(Disclaimer: I'm a sufferer, not a doctor.) + +I'm not sure there's a really sharp distinction between allergic and +vasomotor rhinitis. Basically, vasomotor rhinitis means your nose is +stuffy when it has no reason to be (not even an identifiable allergy). + +Decongestants and steroid sprays work for vasomotor rhinitis. Also, +I can get surprising relief from purely superficial measures such as +saline moisturizing spray and moisturizing gel. +",13 +" +But now you are contradicting yourself in a pretty massive way, +and I don't think you've even noticed. + +In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the +""goal"" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. + +But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long +term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some +other species, either terrestrial or alien. + +Does that make it moral to do so?",0 +" + +Well, it all depends on the motherboard implimentation. + +I'm sure someone will make a vlb motherboard that takes 1x9 +simms and uses a pentium processor. I'm also sure that there +will be some motherboards that won't.",3 +"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +Then why do we really need national health insurance then? Wouldn't it just make +more sense to find some way to cut down on the cost of malpractice insurance? + +And maybe that's not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that it is next to +impossible in Canada to litigate against the health system-class action suits +are nearly impossible, and you can't sue the provincial health officials at all. + + +Oh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it is. Ask +most Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get more powerful. + + +Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside Ottawa. +Theoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some studies I've heard +about have suggested that about half the patients there are civilians who not +only have connections but aren't ""urgent"" at all. + +The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are approved by the +government, how do you keep political considerations out of medical decisions? +I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good friends with one, you're put on any +hospital's ""urgent"" care list no matter how minor your problem. Which is OK +unless you're someone who gets bumped off the list for some bigshot. + + +Hmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage of GNP spent +on health care if dentistry and optometry were included in the accounting? +Maybe Canada spends proportionately just as much on health care as we do. + + +So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse. Bob Rae, the +second least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a few years ago that if +they didn't stop cross-border shopping in such huge numbers, ""the services they +expect from the province just won't be there in a few years"" (Fortunately for +them (and less fortunately for the retailers here in Western New York) the +Canadian dollar went back to a more realistic value). He didn't say so, but I +knew he meant the OHIP. What would happen if his warning turned out to be the +truth? Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no +obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, but if what +you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of practice in handling +such basic services, too). + + +Would that it were free. Americans would start another revolution if they had +to pay taxes at Canadian rates. +",18 +" +While I didn't try the expansion personally, I know of at least two +other people who did and got the same results. Your allegation is +incorrect at best.",11 +"Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you: + +I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. +Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: + + -) multi-screen + -) multi-headed + -) multi-display + -) X-Server zaphod mode + +Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle +(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? + +How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one +screen/display to another. + +Any hints welcome. + +Thanks, rainer.",5 +" + +[ ACT 5:40 - 41 ] + +... +... + +The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on +the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to +the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at +least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died +and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up +with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established. +Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in +Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. + +What we need, therefore, is a reliable text, critically appreciated, which +documents the death of Christians for belief in the Resurrection. I would +suggest you look at some greek and roman historians. I think you will be +disapointed.",15 +" + + +",2 +"I have the March/April version of the X Journal open in front of me. + +I'll be working on programming x-clients this summer, and since I don't have +much experience with programming X, I thought this issue might be helpful +as it has a section on debugging, and a section on the 40 most common errors +in programming X. + +At the end of the errors section, there are the following references for +tutorials on X programming style. They are: + +Rosenthal, David - A simple X11 client program + Proceedings of the Winter 1988 Usenix Conference, 1988. + +Lemke, D., and Rosenthal, D. - Visualizing X11 clients + Proceedings of the Winter 1989 Usenix Conference, 1989. + + +Does anyone know where I could find these in printed or (preferably) +electronic form? + +Or can you suggest any net resources devoted to the introduction to +programming X (I'll be looking at the bookstore for books, so I am really +only asking about what I can find on the net.) + +Thanks, + +David Simpson",5 +" + +This is, as far as I know, complete nonsense. The codification of the bible +as we have it now came very much later.",0 +"Hi, I just have a small question about my bike. +Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to +think about my Honda. +She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike +week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and +was running only on one cylinder. +I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect +working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look +very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All +still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a +slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem), +but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for +this bike. +Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone +the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in +order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the +wear of my pistons?? +Please send comments to + sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca +Thanks in advance. Stef. ",8 +"Fellow netters, + +I'm in the market for a hand scanner. However, I don't know anyone who has +one. I have my eye on two choices. + +Dexxa: This scanner is available at Wal-Mart for $90. It includes GrayWorks +software and provides 400 dpi and 32 grayscales (I think). The OCR software +Catchword is available through mail-order for about $90 also. + +Mustek: (Gray Artist for Windows) This scanner offers 256 grayscales +(according to Cad & Graphics) and 800 dpi. It is available for $169 +mail-order and comes with Perceive OCR and Picture Publisher LE. + +I am also looking at a Genius hand scanner (B105) from Cad & Graphics. It +is basically the same as the Mustek scanner except for the resolution (400 +dpi) and price ($149). + +Basically, I would like recommendations on which to buy. I have heard that +Logitech makes the best and manufactures Dexxa scanners. But which one is the +best buy? Would 800 dpi really be helpful (output would be no better than HP +LaserJet III or Canon BJ-200 - 300x300 to 360x360)? I am leaning toward the +Mustek because it offers the most features and is in the middle in terms of +prices. Which should I buy? + +If you have a hand scanner, please let me know whether or not you would +recommend it. Also, if you know of another scanner within the price range +(under $225) that would be a better deal, please E-Mail me. Any and all help +would be greatly appreciated.",3 +" +Oh yeah, how come Dino could never take the Caps out of the Patrick +Division? He choked up 3 games to 1 last year and got swept away in +the second round two years ago. He rarely, if ever, makes it out of the +division. + + +So are the Islanders, but they can still pull it out. Vancouver has Winnipeg's + number, so it really doesn't matter. + + + + Kings always seem to go at least 6 or 7, they never play a four or five +game serious. There's a difference between battling it out and pulling it +out, as I take Calgary to pull it out in 7.",10 +" +Dominik, + + Have you tried xgrasp? It's out there on several ftp sites.(not sure which, but archie can find it, I'm sure.) It works ok but it lacks an interface.",1 +" + +This is true, but long-standing tradition has been to keep commercial +advertising in the biz.* hierarchy.",6 +" + + + +Yes, long before Star Trek. Before Einstein, in fact. + +Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation +of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets. But +Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis +of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit.",14 +"1. Can low Voltage lights be controlled with an X10 module by putting it +before the transformer? It seems to work, even the dimmer works. Not very +reliable. Will it damage the module? Can it be done reliably? + +2. I put a motion switch (Heath) to a low voltage light, it worked but now it is +broken, too much current? How can I get arround that? + +3. How can I increase the intensity of a light using the X10 PC computer +interface without having it go 100% on first and then down. I am doing +my own programing, not the X10 program.",12 +" +Ok, this is the only thing I will comment on from Stan at this time... +part of this forum we call rec.scouting is for policy discussions and +related topics. This is a policy discussion, and involves related +topics. this is not a ""fringe"" group discussion. obviously, it +engenders strong feelings from all sides of the issues at hand. +Wether a particular view is anti-societal or not is your opinion, +and yours alone, don't try to make it seem otherwise. +If you do not wish to engage in this discussion, use a kill file. +If you wish to continue in this discussion, please do so, knowing +full well the implications that apply. +I know for myself that I plan on continuing with the discussion when +i have the wish to have input. I for one am tired of people trying to +say that this is not a matter significant for this group! It is, and +quite so. Especially for those of us who feel the impact more closely. +",0 +"Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled: + +: ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around +: 45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving +: along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing +: the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound +: lane of 9W (one lane each direction). + + +And I haven't even got there yet. Must have been some other Brit... +-- + +Nick (the English Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Left is Right + +M'Lud.",8 +"Dangerous only to immune suppressed persons and fetuses. To them, +it is extremely dangerous. Most of the rest of us have already had +it and it isn't dangerous at all. + +Cat feces are the worst. Pregnant women should never touch the litter box. + +Cook your meat. Watch it with pets. + +You'll have to read up on it. + + +There is an effective antibiotic that can keep it in check. +Of course, it can't reverse damage already done, such as in +a fetus. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 +"...let me point out that both GUI-based word-processors and text-based + formatters both have a language; one happens to be mouse- and + action-based, and the other symbol-based. + +True, but that's beside the point. This is a fact about an abstract model +of what the GUI users are doing, not about what they actually *are* doing. +This abstract model is only apparent from the perpective of a *programmer* +of the system. (NB: some users may see it, too, but only when they put +aside the work at hand and start thinking like a programmer.) + +I'm not saying that the programmer's perspective is evil or stunted. After +all, that's what I do, too! I am saying that UI designers must carefully +distinguish between the user/programmer conceptual models, and they must +ultimately serve the user of the system, not the builder of the system. + + + I don't recall the actual stats, but something like 1 in 5 people can be + categorized as a ""symbol manipulator"". + +It would be interesting to know more about the meaning and basis for this +claim. At any rate, I don't think this is evidence that 20% of users think +like programmers. Bankers, financial analysts, structural engineers --- +these are all people whose work you could characterize as primarily symbol +manipulation. But what they do is not programming, and programming is not +required to do what they do. ",5 +" +The problem is, you can't raise adequate amounts of money that way. +The Viking Fund tried. They did succeed, in a way, but only because +of the political impact of their fundraising. The actual amount of +money they raised was fairly inconsequential; it would not have kept +the Viking lander going by itself.",14 +" +Well, the first 2 are easy. You need the math library. Try adding -lm after +-lX11. Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start. +",5 +" + +Do you, by any chance own an SHO or have access to one, such that you +would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles? + +Just wondering... +",7 +" + +Oh? + + +What is wrong with *this* motto, now? If you wouldn't approve of +even that one, I am beginning to think that you just have something +against mottos in general. What do you think of ""E plurbis unum?""",0 +"Hi + +I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib + +I have multiple windows and all can take input and +show output simultaneously on all other displays + +I want to implement a pointer feature + +I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once +I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able +to see it + +Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed + + +replies will be greatly appreciated",5 +" +my $.02 - Yes and No. I do not believe the above scenario is not possible. +Either they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else +they are not. Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough. + Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are +so committed, nor can you judge someone else. I guess the closest we can +come to know someone's situation is listening to their own statements. This +can be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another. + + +Regarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church +(at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16) He talks +about their works. A translation could say that he says their lack of +concern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up). + + Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if +you catch the two meanings. + I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either ""on fire +for Him"" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made +aware of our separation. This is admonishment for His children, not eternal +damnation. + +",15 +" + +Is that what turns you on? The truth needs to be told over and over +again. There are Armenians who of course witnessed the Armenian genocide +of 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914-1920 but their voices of truth +are suppressed today in the hollow din of anti-Turkish/Muslim campaign +by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle of the fascist +x-Soviet Armenian Government. Well, that is what I saw in the library. +What's your problem with this? + + +Source: K. S. Papazian, ""Patriotism Perverted,"" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934. + +pp. 17-18. + +""It seems that terrorism against their own co-nationals has been a prominent + part of the revolutionary activities of the Dashnag leaders of the Caucasus. + Organized to fight the Turks, these chieftains have been more successful + in their fight against their Armenian opponents in Turkey, and the Caucasus, + very often defenseless and innocent."" + +p. 38. + +""The fact remains, however, that the leaders of the Turkish Armenian section + of the Dashnagtzoutune did not carry out their promise of loyalty to the + Turkish cause when the Turks entered the war...and a call was sent for + Armenian volunteers to fight the Turks on the Caucasian front."" + +p. 38. + +""Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of + such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer + regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of + 1914-15-16."" + + +Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, +Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) +(287 pages). +(Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 + million Muslim people) + +p. 184 (second paragraph) + + ""I had received further very definite information of horrors that + had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as + I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their + treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from + Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not + be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their + troops being without discipline and not under effective control, + atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should + with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."" + +p. 177 (third paragraph) + + ""Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the + Moslem villages in the plain...."" + + ""Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile constantly arriving from the + plain, from which the whole Moslem population was fleeing with as much of + their personal property as they could transport, seeking to obtain security + and protection..."" + +p. 178 (first paragraph) + + ""In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched + for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of + such search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible + tortures had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as + to where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware + of the existence, although they had been unable to find them."" + +p. 179 (first paragraph) + + ""Shortly afterwards the head of the miserable column appeared. There + were in all about 200 persons, mostly old men and women and children, + with a few ox-carts, ponies, and donkeys, carrying all their worldly + possessions, except a few sheep that they were driving before them. + Their leader interviewed Bekir Bey, and was told to keep farther on + into the hills, where he would be able to cross the frontier into + Turkey unmolested by his enemies."" + +p. 181 (first paragraph) + + ""the Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish line with + artillery, with probably a large force in support."" + +p. 175 (first paragraph) + + ""The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement + that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the + Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the + British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation + commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced + the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the + pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms. + In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able + to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will + be referred to in due course."" + +The following news from Turan News Agency in Baku-Azerbaijan +is brought to you as a service of: + + + P.O. Box 14571 + Berkeley, CA 94701 + FAX: (804) 490-3832 + Email: farid@mem.odu.edu + +* AZERBAIJAN'S GOVERNMENT APPEALS TO COMPATRIOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD +* 60 REFUGEES FROM KELBAJAR PERISHED IN THEIR ESCAPE LORRIES +* SITUATION IN THE REGION OF KELBAJAR +* ARMENIAN ARMY CONTINUES ATTACK ON FIZULI +* PRESS-CONFERENCE OF THE CHIEF OF PRESS-SERVICE OF PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN +* AZERBAIJANIS PICKET IN FRONT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF RUSSIA +* PICKET OF SADVALERS IN MOSCOW +* ATTACK OF ARMENIAN UNITS STOPPED +* STATEMENT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF AZERBAIJAN + + + +AZERBAIJAN'S GOVERNMENT APPEALS TO COMPATRIOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD + + BAKU (APRIL 5) TURAN: Today, Azerbaijan's government appealed +to Azeris all over the world in connection with escalation of the +Armenian aggression against the republic. + It is stressed in appeal that the experience of five-years of fighting +for independence from imperial chains shows a grim process . The war +against Azerbaijan under the pretence of protecting the human rights of +the Armenians of Ukhari (Upper) Garabag, has meant the destruction of +Azeri villages and towns, occupation of 10 percent of the territory, 60 +thousand new refugees in addition to 500 thousand already in place. +This is all the price of fighting for liberty from Russian imperial rule, +is said in the document. + Azerbaijan's government appeals to all compatriots to make every +effort to inform the people of the world about the truth in Azerbaijan, +and to assistance in solving the problems facing the young state. + It is stressed in the appeal that there is urgent need for medicine, +food, experienced doctors and financial help to settle refugees from +Kelbajar, Fizuli and Lachin regions, and to render medical aid for the +sick and the wounded men.--O-- + + +60 REFUGEES FROM KELBAJAR PERISHED IN THEIR ESCAPE LORRIES + + BAKU (APRIL 5) TURAN: Today, during the evacuation from Kelbajar +region, 60 refugees on board two lorries were killed in the fire from the +Armenian Tanks on the only road to leave Kelbajar. According to press +-service of Azerbaijan president, no one survived the tragedy. --O-- + + +SITUATION IN THE REGION OF KELBAJAR + + BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Attempts to evacuate the rest of 15,000 +citizens, encircled on alpine villages of the region of Kelbajar +went on within the last twenty-four hours. Evacuation helicopters +could not land near these villages because of shelling from the +Armenian side and existence of fog. Measures are undertaken to air-drop +food and medicine to the encircled people. + Several hundred people succeed within the last twenty-four hours to +get out of the region of Kelbajar via mountain range. Refugees are +settled in the neighboring regions of Azerbaijan and in Ganja. +Authorities face serious problem with rendering refugees medical +aid and food. The number of refugees from Kelbajar is over 40,000 people. +Azerbaijan is not capable of handling a disaster of this magnitude.--0-- + + +ARMENIAN ARMY CONTINUES ATTACK ON FIZULI + + BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: The region of Fizuli of Azerbaijan, +situated outside of the territory of Daglig (Nagorno) Garabag, has been +subjected to heaviest attacks of Armenian army for the fourth day. About +30 armored technique and more than 500 soldiers of the enemy are taking +part in the attack. + Armenian units broke the defence line of the azeri forces and occupied +the ruling height from where the town is shelled from ""Grad"" installations, +this morning. There is heavy destructions in the town and more than 20 +people are dead. Population of the town is hastily evacuated.--0-- + + +PRESS-CONFERENCE OF THE CHIEF OF PRESS-SERVICE OF PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN + + BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Fifty-five thousand refugees from the region +of Kelbajar were taken out by 11 o'clock on April 5, informed the chief +of the press-service of president of Azerbaijan, Arif Aliev, today. + Journalists were also informed at the press-conference that +International Red Cross is helping to accept and render refugees medical +aid. There is an urgent need to supply the refugees with tents, food and +medical aid. + Arif Aliev informed that as a result of the ongoing tragedy brought +on by the latest aggression of Armenia, the leadership of Azerbaijan +intends to appeal to Azerbaijanis and all those who treasure human life +all over the world for help. + Concerning the reaction of the international community to aggression +of Armenia, Aliev said the department of state of the USA has expressed +its anxiety to leadership of Armenia. + Participants of peace efforts in Daglig (Nagorno) Garabag under +CSCE, Rafaelli, Mareska and Chetin strongly blamed the aggression of +Armenia against Azerbaijan. + Leader of press-service informed that tomorrow ambassador of +Azerbaijan in Russia, Hikmet Haji-zade, will conduct a press-conference +in Moscow. Detailed information on latest events in the region of +Kelbajar of Azerbaijan will be given at the press-conference.--0-- + + +AZERBAIJANIS PICKET IN FRONT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF RUSSIA + + BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Azerbaijanis, living in Moscow, picketed +in front of the building of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia. +Picket was conducted as a token of protest against participation of +Russian units in capture of the region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan by +Armenians. About 100 people took part in the picket, organized by +Azerbaijani society ""Dayag"".--0-- + + +PICKET OF SADVALERS IN MOSCOW + + BAKU (5 APRIL) 30-40 members of ""Sadval"" society picketed before +the building of permanent representation of Azerbaijan in Moscow. +Picketers were demanding the return of Lezghins lands, as if annexed +by Azerbaijan. + Ambassador of Azerbaijan in Moscow, Hikmet Haji-zade classified +this action as provocation aimed at creating a further inter-ethnic +conflict in Azerbaijan. He marked in his talk with the Turan +correspondent that he does not rule out a connection between the +Armenian aggression in the region of Kelbajar and this anti- +azerbaijani action of the ""Sadval"" society in Moscow. He also +marked that 30-40 people do not mean the Lezghian nationality in +the whole. + Society of Lezghins, ""Sadval"", registered in Moscow in 1990, +demands the creation of a Lezghistan state, which never existed +before on the northern territories of Azerbaijan.--0-- + + +ATTACK OF ARMENIAN UNITS STOPPED + + BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Attack of Armenian army on the town of +Fizuli, which began in the last twenty-four hours, is stopped, informs +the press-service of the Ministry of Defence of Azerbaijan. + In the result of undertaken measures, 6 tanks and a number of +the attackers were destroyed. Advance units of the Armenian army +retreated several kilometers. + Chairman of the parliament, Isa Gambar, visited the town of +Fizuli and met with commanders of the units of the national army +and local citizens, today.--0-- + + +STATEMENT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF AZERBAIJAN + + BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan +issued a statement in connection with aggression of Armenia in the +region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan. + It is stated in the statement that regular units of the armed +forces of Armenia captured the town of Kelbajar on April 3 . + Attack of Armenian units, which began on March 27 deep in the +territory of Azerbaijan still continues. Armenia has occupied at +present 7500 sq.km of the territory of Azerbaijan. + Spreading of Armenian aggression far away from Ukhari (Upper) +Garabag proves that the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflicts has entered a +specially dangerous phase. This is the result of non-recognition of +Armenia as an aggressor by the international community, is marked +in the document. + It is stressed in the statement that the units of the 7th Russian +army are participating in the Armenian attack. This casts doubt on +the sincerity of Russian mediation efforts in finding a peaceful +solution to the conflict. + It is marked in conclusion that aggressive actions of Armenia +have wrecked the negotiation process under aegis of CSCE. + The document contains the appeal to the world community to stop +Armenian aggression and to use political and economic sanctions +against the aggressor.--0-- + + +Serdar Argic",17 +" +I would assume that the words (I saw the picture) indicated that those +SEATS will not be available for baseball games. If you look at the picture +of the diamond in the stadium, in relation to the areas marked ""NOT FOR +BASEBALL"", those seats just look terrible for watching baseball. Now, if +they should happen to reach the post-season, I would imagine that they +would consider opening some of those seats up, but that is surely a worry +of the future. + + + + +Sam Lubchansky spl2@po.cwru.edu + +""In the champion, people see what they'd like to be. In the loser, + they see what they actually are, and they treat him with scorn.""",9 +"In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1 +recommended me to do that (32bit access). +If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory +free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K +of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K. + +I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX, + +Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs +some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those +that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?) + +I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for +DOS using a windows programming environment. +",2 +"Here is a letter I sent to David Skaggs, (Dem, CO). Before anybody says +something, yes the letter is a bit ""sharp"" in tone. I have been writting +reasonable and polite letters to him for years, and all I get in return +in the HCI party line. Since he already is NRA F rated, I don't think that +upsetting him will harm the cause. Sorry if you disagree, but recent events +in Texas REALLY have me pissed. + +------------------- + April 20, 1993 +Representative Skaggs, + +Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the +Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response +you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control +legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. +My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to +firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total +ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. +I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you +could have been referencing. + +Either: +1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this +case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of +this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the +""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability +to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these +guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by +themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your +Church to be a cult! + +This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You +and Pat Robertson should really get along. + +2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the +""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by +some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh +illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest +laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that +David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted +him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished +Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple +hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. + +I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the +number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of +line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of +Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" + +Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that +has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" +restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain +250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They +are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR +district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I +have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" +gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you +representing Sarah Bradys'? + + + Thank You, + + + + + William J. Vojak + + + + + + April 20, 1993 +Representative Skaggs, + +Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the +Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response +you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control +legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. +My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to +firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total +ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. +I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you +could have been referencing. + +Either: +1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this +case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of +this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the +""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability +to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these +guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by +themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your +Church to be a cult! + +This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You +and Pat Robertson should really get along. + +2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the +""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by +some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh +illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest +laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that +David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted +him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished +Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple +hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. + +I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the +number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of +line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of +Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" + +Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that +has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" +restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain +250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They +are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR +district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I +have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" +gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you +representing Sarah Bradys'? + + + Thank You, + William J. Vojak + +--------------------------- + + Bill Vojak + vojak@icebucket.stortek.com + NRA, ILA, + Colorado Firearms Coalition +------------------------------------------------------------ +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)",16 +"Any truth to the rumor of an AWD 3-series for '94? I believe +this info was published in either Popular Science or AutoWeek +a couple of months ago. + + Also, a friend told me that BMW used to make an AWD 325 called +the 325ix. I'd appreciate any info about this car too. Thanks.. + + Thanks.",7 +" + + ... + + +Why do you say this? As of now, the Pens and Bruins have played the +same number of games, and given up the same number of goals. They are +tied for the third and fourth best defenses in the league, behind +Chicago first and Toronto second. The Pens' weak spot is defense? Only +by comparison to their offense, which is second in the league to +Detroit. But the Pens are no weaker on defense and goaltending than the +Bruins are; that is, they are both very strong. + +",10 +" + Why don't you consider PHIGS in X or PEX lib?",1 +"I've got a Racet 5.25"" MO Drive with a Ricoh RO-5030E mechanism with the +new ROMs... The thing is, I have a new TOSOH Optical Disk 512/bytes per +sector cart for the thing that refuses to mount or be formatted... all the +carts that I have for the drive that work are Racet Certified Media +512k/sector carts... All I can think of is that this TOSOH cart uses some +kind of incompatible low level format... anyone know what software will +allow this to be formatted on this drive? or a new DIP setting for the +mechanism? I've tried just about every combination of drivers and custom +formatting programs I can find with no luck... any ideas?",4 +"Archive-name: atheism/faq +Alt-atheism-archive-name: faq +Last-modified: 5 April 1993 +Version: 1.1 + + Alt.Atheism Frequently-Asked Questions + +This file contains responses to articles which occur repeatedly in +alt.atheism. Points covered here are ones which are not covered in the +""Introduction to Atheism""; you are advised to read that article as well +before posting. + +These answers are not intended to be exhaustive or definitive. The purpose of +the periodic FAQ postings is not to stifle debate, but to raise its level. If +you have something to say concerning one of these questions and which isn't +covered by the answer given, please feel free to make your point. + +Overview of contents: + + ""What is the purpose of this newsgroup?"" + ""Hitler was an atheist!"" + ""The Bible proves it"" + ""Pascal's Wager"" + ""What is Occam's Razor?"" + ""Why it's good to believe in Jesus"" + ""Why I know that God exists"" + ""Einstein and ""God does not play dice"""" + ""Everyone worships something"" + ""Why there must be a causeless cause"" + ""The universe is so complex it must have been designed"" + ""Independent evidence that the Bible is true"" + ""Godel's Incompleteness Theorem"" + ""George Bush on atheism and patriotism"" + ""I know where hell is!"" + ""Biblical contradictions wanted"" + ""The USA is a Christian nation"" + ""The USA is not a Christian nation"" + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Subject: What is the purpose of this newsgroup? + +Typical posting: + +Why have a newsgroup about atheism? Why do atheists organize in groups? +What is there to discuss? + +Response: + +Many things are discussed here, including: + +* Whether it is reasonable to feign theism in order to avoid upsetting one's + family +* Prayer in schools +* Discrimination against atheists +* Sunday trading laws +* The Satanic Child Abuse myth +* Whether one should be an overt atheist or 'stay in the closet' +* How religious societies prey (sic) on new college students +* How to get rid of unwanted proselytizers +* Whether religion is a danger to society and/or the individual +* Why people become atheists + +Of course, inevitably alt.atheism tends to attract evangelical Christians +looking for someone to convert. Most readers of the newsgroup don't +want to be preached to, although a few seem to derive perverse pleasure +from tearing apart particularly ill-considered or uninformed postings. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Hitler was an atheist! + +Typical posting: + +Hitler was an atheist, and look at what he did! + +Response: + +Adolf Hitler was emphatically not an atheist. As he said himself: + + The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in + his own denomination, of making _people_stop_just_talking_ + superficially_of_God's_will,_and_actually_fulfill_God's_will,_and_ + not_let_God's_word_be_desecrated._[orig. ital.] + + For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their + abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the + Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be + active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every + man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who + in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his + religious community and tries to butt into the other. + + [...] + + Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will + of the Almighty Creator: _by_defending_myself_against_the_Jew,_I_am_ + fighting_for_the_work_of_the_Lord._[orig. ital.] + + -- Adolf Hitler, from ""Mein Kampf"", trans. Ralph Mannheim. + +Of course, someone bad believing something does not make that belief +wrong. It's also entirely possible that Hitler was lying when he claimed +to believe in God. We certainly can't conclude that he's an atheist, +though. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The Bible proves it + +Typical posting: + +In the Bible it says that... + +Response: + +Most of the readers of alt.atheism feel that the Bible is of questionable +accuracy, as it was written thousands of years ago by many authors who were +recording oral tradition that existed many years before. Thus, any claimed +'truth' in it is of questionable legitimacy. This isn't to say that The +Bible has no truth in it; simply that any truth must be examined before being +accepted. + +Many of the readers of this group also feel that because any passage is +subject to ""interpretation"", any claim that a passage 'means' one thing and +one thing only is not legitimate. + +Note that this feeling tends to extend to other books. + +It is also remarkable to many atheists that theists tend to ignore other +equally plausible religious books in favour of those of their own religion. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Pascal's Wager + +Typical posting: + +If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- +but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to +hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist. + +Response: + +This argument is known as Pascal's Wager. It has several flaws. + +Firstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are +many mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often +described as the ""avoiding the wrong hell"" problem. If a person is a +follower of religion X, he may end up in religion Y's version of hell. + +Secondly, the statement that ""If you believe in God and turn out to be +incorrect, you have lost nothing"" is not true. Suppose you're believing in +the wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness. +Consider also the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in +favour of prayer. + +Another flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that +the two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of +comparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God +is close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the +argument is only likely to convince those who believe already. + +Also, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on +evidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or +cost-benefit analysis. + +Formally speaking, the argument consists of four statements: + + 1. One does not know whether God exists. + 2. Not believing in God is bad for one's eternal soul if God does + exist. + 3. Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist. + 4. Therefore it is in one's interest to believe in God. + +There are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view 1 as an +assumption, and 2 as a consequence of it. One problem with this approach, in +the abstract, is that it creates information from no information. This is +considered invalid in information theory. Statement 1 indicates one has no +information about God -- but statement 2 indicates that beneficial information +can be gained from the absolute lack of information about God. This violates +information entropy -- information has been extracted from no information, at +no ""cost"". + +The alternative approach is to claim that 1 and 2 are both assumptions. The +problem with this is that 2 is then basically an assumption which states the +Christian position, and only a Christian will agree with that assumption. The +argument thus collapses to ""If you are a Christian, it is in your interests +to believe in God"" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and not the way Pascal +intended the argument to be viewed. + +The biggest reason why Pascal's wager is a failure is that if God is +omniscient he will certainly know who really believes and who believes as +a wager. He will spurn the latter... assuming he actually cares at all +whether people believe in him. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: What is Occam's Razor? + +Typical posting: + +People keep talking about Occam's Razor. What is it? + +Response: + +William of Occam formulated a principle which has become known as Occam's +Razor. In its original form, it said ""Do not multiply entities +unnecessarily."" That is, if you can explain something without supposing +the existence of some entity, then do so. + +Nowadays when people refer to Occam's Razor, they generally express it +more generally, for example as ""Take the simplest solution"". + +The relevance to atheism is that we can look at two possible explanations +for what we see around us: + +1. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, which +came into being as a result of natural processes. + +2. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, and +there is also a God who created the universe. Clearly this God must be +of non-zero complexity. + +Given that both explanations fit the facts, Occam's Razor might suggest +that we should take the simpler of the two -- solution number one. +Unfortunately, some argue that there is a third even more simple solution: + +3. There isn't an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there. +We just imagine that there is. + +This third option leads us logically towards solipsism, which many people +find unacceptable. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Why it's good to believe in Jesus + +Typical posting: + +I want to tell people about the virtues and benefits of my religion. + +Response: + +Preaching is not appreciated. + +Feel free to talk about your religion, but please do not write postings that +are on a ""conversion"" theme. Such postings do not belong on alt.atheism and +will be rejected from alt.atheism.moderated (try the newsgroup +talk.religion.misc). + +You would doubtless not welcome postings from atheists to your favourite +newsgroup in an attempt to convert you; please do unto others as you would +have them do unto you! + +Often theists make their basic claims about God in the form of lengthy +analogies or parables. Be aware that atheists have heard of God and know the +basic claims about him; if the sole purpose of your parable is to tell +atheists that God exists and brings salvation, you may as well not post it, +since it tells us nothing we have not been told before. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Why I know that God exists + +Typical posting: + +I *know* from personal experience and prayer that God exists. + +Response: + +Just as many theists have personal evidence that the being they worship +exists, so many atheists have personal evidence that such beings do not +exist. That evidence varies from person to person. + +Furthermore, without wishing to dismiss your evidence out of hand, many +people have claimed all kinds of unlikely things -- that they have been +abducted by UFOs, visited by the ghost of Elvis, and so on. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Einstein and ""God does not play dice"" + +Typical posting: + +Albert Einstein believed in God. Do you think you're cleverer than him? + +Response: + +Einstein did once comment that ""God does not play dice [with the universe]"". +This quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the +Christian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein's +refusal to accept the uncertainties indicated by quantum theory. Furthermore, +Einstein's religious background was Jewish rather than Christian. + +A better quotation showing what Einstein thought about God is the following: +""I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of +what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of +human beings."" + +Einstein was unable to accept Quantum Theory because of his belief in an +objective, orderly reality; a reality which would not be subject to random +events and which would not be dependent upon the observer. He believed that +QM was incomplete, and that a better theory would have no need for +statistical interpretations. So far no such better theory has been found, +and much evidence suggests that it never will be. + +A longer quote from Einstein appears in ""Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A +Symposium"", published by the Conference on Science, Philosophy and Religion +in Their Relation to the Democratic Way of Life, Inc., New York, 1941. In + + ""The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events + the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side + of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him + neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an + independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a + personal God interfering with natural events could never be + *refuted* [italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this + doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific + knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. + + But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives + of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine + which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, + will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm + to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers + of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal + God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past + placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they + will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable + of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity + itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably + more worthy task..."" + + + ""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religous convictions, + a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a + personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. + If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the + unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our + science can reveal it."" + +The latter quote is from ""Albert Einstein: The Human Side"", edited by Helen +Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. +Also from the same book: + + ""I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics + to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind + it."" + +Of course, the fact that Einstein chose not to believe in Christianity does +not in itself imply that Christianity is false. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Everyone worships something + +Typical posting: + +Everyone worships something, whether it's money, power or God. + +Response: + +If that is true, everyone is a polytheist. Theists care just as much about +those things that atheists care about. If the atheists' reactions to (for +example) their families amount to worship then so do the theists'. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Why there must be a causeless cause + +Typical posting: + +Sets of integers that have a lower bound each have a smallest member, so +chains of causes must all have a first element, a causeless cause. + +Response: + +The set of real numbers greater than zero has a definite lower bound, but has +no smallest member. + +Further, even if it is true that there must be a causeless cause, that does +not imply that that cause must be a conscious supernatural entity, and +especially not that any such entity must match the description favoured by +any particular religion. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The universe is so complex it must have been designed + +Typical posting: + +The presence of design in the universe proves there is a God. Surely you +don't think all this appeared here just by chance? + +Response: + +This is known as the Argument From Design. + +It is a matter of dispute whether there is any element of design in the +universe. Those who believe that the complexity and diversity of living +creatures on the earth is evidence of a creator are best advised to read the +newsgroup talk.origins for a while. + +There is insufficient space to summarize both sides of that debate here. +However, the conclusion is that there is no scientific evidence in favour of +so-called Scientific Creationism. Furthermore, there is much evidence, +observation and theory that can explain many of the complexities of the +universe and life on earth. + +The origin of the Argument by Design is a feeling that the existence of +something as incredibly intricate as, say, a human is so improbable that +surely it can't have come about by chance; that surely there must be some +external intelligence directing things so that humans come from the chaos +deliberately. + +But if human intelligence is so improbable, surely the existence of a mind +capable of fashioning an entire universe complete with conscious beings must +be immeasurably more unlikely? The approach used to argue in favour of the +existence of a creator can be turned around and applied to the Creationist +position. + +This leads us to the familiar theme of ""If a creator created the universe, +what created the creator?"", but with the addition of spiralling +improbability. The only way out is to declare that the creator was not +created and just ""is"" (or ""was""). + +From here we might as well ask what is wrong with saying that the universe +just ""is"" without introducing a creator? Indeed Stephen Hawking, in his book +""A Brief History of Time"", explains his theory that the universe is closed +and finite in extent, with no beginning or end. + +The Argument From Design is often stated by analogy, in the so-called +Watchmaker Argument. One is asked to imagine that one has found a watch on +the beach. Does one assume that it was created by a watchmaker, or that it +evolved naturally? Of course one assumes a watchmaker. Yet like the +watch, the universe is intricate and complex; so, the argument goes, the +universe too must have a creator. + +The Watchmaker analogy suffers from three particular flaws, over and above +those common to all Arguments By Design. Firstly, a watchmaker creates +watches from pre-existing materials, whereas God is claimed to have +created the universe from nothing. These two sorts of creation are +clearly fundamentally different, and the analogy is therefore rather weak. + +Secondly, a watchmaker makes watches, but there are many other things in +the world. If we walked further along the beach and found a nuclear +reactor, we wouldn't assume it was created by the watchmaker. The argument +would therefore suggest a multitude of creators, each responsible for a +different part of creation. + +Finally, in the first part of the watchmaker argument we conclude that +the watch is not part of nature because it is ordered, and therefore +stands out from the randomness of nature. Yet in the second part of the +argument, we start from the position that the universe is obviously not +random, but shows elements of order. The Watchmaker argument is thus +internally inconsistent. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Independent evidence that the Bible is true + +Typical posting: + +The events of the New Testament are confirmed by independent documentary +evidence. For example... + +Response: + +The writings of Josephus are often mentioned as independent documentary +evidence. + +Early versions of Josephus's work are thought not to have mentioned Jesus or +James; the extant version discusses John in a non-Christian context. Many +scholars believe that the original mentioned Jesus and James in passing, but +that this was expanded by Christian copyists. Several ""reconstructions"" of +the original text have been published to this effect. + +Much information appears in the Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius (about 320 +C.E.). It is worthless as historical material because of the deliberate +falsification of the wily Eusebius who is generally acknowledged as 'the +first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity.' It is Eusebius who is +generally given the title of authorship for this material. + +Aside from the New Testament, the biographical information about Jesus is +more well-documented. For further information, please consult the Frequently +Asked Questions file for the newsgroup soc.religion.christian. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem + +Typical posting: + +Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible for the +Bible to be both true and complete. + +Response: + +Godel's First Incompleteness Theorem says that in any consistent formal +system which is sufficiently expressive that it can model ordinary +arithmetic, one can formulate expressions which can never be proven to be +valid or invalid ('true' or 'false') within that formal system. (Technically +speaking, the system must also be recursive; that is, there must be a decision +procedure for determining whether a given string is an axiom within the formal +system.) + +Essentially, all such systems can formulate what is known as a ""Liar +Paradox."" The classic Liar Paradox sentence in ordinary English is ""This +sentence is false."" Note that if a proposition is undecidable, the formal +system cannot even deduce that it is undecidable. + +The logic used in theological discussions is rarely well defined, so claims +that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible to +prove or disprove) the existence of God are worthless in isolation. + +One can trivially define a formal system in which it is possible to prove the +existence of God, simply by having the existence of God stated as an axiom. +This is unlikely to be viewed by atheists as a convincing proof, however. + +It may be possible to succeed in producing a formal system built on axioms +that both atheists and theists agree with. It may then be possible to show +that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem holds for that system. However, that +would still not demonstrate that it is impossible to prove that God exists +within the system. Furthermore, it certainly wouldn't tell us anything about +whether it is possible to prove the existence of God generally. + +Note also that all of these hypothetical formal systems tell us nothing about +the actual existence of God; the formal systems are just abstractions. + +Another frequent claim is that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates +that a religious text (the Bible, the Book of Mormon or whatever) cannot be +both consistent and universally applicable. Religious texts are not formal +systems, so such claims are nonsense. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: George Bush on atheism and patriotism + +Typical posting: + +Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered citizens? + +Response: + +The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I. +Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1988. Sherman +is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of +the press corps. The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce +federal disaster relief for Illinois. The discussion turned to the +presidential primary: + + RS: ""What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"" + + GB: ""I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in + God is important to me."" + + RS: ""Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of + Americans who are atheists?"" + + GB: ""No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, + nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under + God."" + + RS: ""Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation + of state and church?"" + + GB: ""Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not + very high on atheists."" + +UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were +still angry over the remarks. + +The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27, +1989. It can also be found in ""Free Enquiry"" magazine, Fall 1988 issue, +Volume 8, Number 4, page 16. + +On October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane, +cochairman of the Bush-Quayle '88 Illinois campaign. This concerned a +lawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated School +District 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade Atheist son to +pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as ""one nation under God"" +(Bush's phrase). The following conversation took place: + + RS: ""American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday. + Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?"" + + EM: ""It's bullshit."" + + RS: ""What is bullshit?"" + + EM: ""Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."" + + RS: ""Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush + campaign is on this issue."" + + EM: ""You're welcome."" + +After Bush's election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to retract +his statement. On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the +President, replied on White House stationery that Bush substantively stood by + + ""As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports + atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or + supported by the government."" + +For further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the American +Atheist Press's Cameron Road address. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: I know where hell is! + +Typical posting: + +I know where Hell is! Hell is in Norway! + +Response: + +There are several towns called ""Hell"" in various countries around the +world, including Norway and the USA. Whilst this information is mildly +amusing the first time one hears it, readers of alt.atheism are now +getting pretty fed up with hearing it every week. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Biblical contradictions wanted + +Typical posting: + +Does anyone have a list of Biblical contradictions? + +Response: + +American Atheist Press publish an atheist's handbook detailing Biblical +contradictions. See the accompanying posting on Atheist Resources for +details. + +There is a file containing some Biblical contradictions available from the +archive-server@mantis.co.uk. See the contacts file for more information. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The USA is a Christian nation + +Typical posting: + +Because of the religious beliefs of the founding fathers, shouldn't the +United States be considered a Christian nation? + +Response: + +Based upon the writings of several important founding fathers, it is clear +that they never intended the US to be a Christian nation. Here are some +quotes; there are many more. + + ""What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? + In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the + ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen + upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been + the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert + the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient + auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, + needs them not."" + - James Madison, ""A Memorial and Remonstrance"", 1785 + + ""I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of + the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. + Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"" + - John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson + + ""History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people + maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of + ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will + always avail themselves for their own purpose."" + + - Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 + + ""I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or + requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely + above it."" + + - Benjamin Franklin, from ""Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion"", + Nov. 20, 1728 + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The USA is not a Christian nation + +Typical posting: + +Is it true that George Washington said that the United States is not in any +sense founded upon the Christian religion? + +Response: + +No. The quotation often given is in fact from Article XI of the 1797 Treaty +of Tripoli (8 Stat 154, Treaty Series 358): + + Article 11 + + As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense + founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of + enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, -- and as + the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility + against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no + pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption + of the harmony existing between the two countries. + +The text may be found in the Congressional Record or in treaty collections +such as Charles Bevans' ""Treaties and Other International Agreements of the +United States of America 1776-1949"", vol. 11 (pp. 1070-1080). + +The English text of the Treaty of Tripoli was approved by the U.S. Senate on +June 7, 1797 and ratified by President John Adams on June 10, 1797. It was +recently discovered that the Arabic version of the treaty not only lacks the +quotation, it lacks Article XI altogether. + +The person who translated the Arabic to English was Joel Barlow, Consul +General at Algiers, a close friend of Thomas Paine -- and an opponent of +Christianity. It is possible that Barlow made up Article XI, but since there +is no Arabic version of that article to be found, it's hard to say. + +In 1806 a new Treaty of Tripoli was ratified which no longer contained the +quotation. +",0 +"Just found a great deal on a Clifford Delta car alarm, $450 installed. +Comes with glass break sensor, motion detector, and shock detector. Does +anyone have one of these alarms? Are they any good? From the looks of it, its +about the best on the market for the price. It's also on sale, so that's +another reason to get it. I think I'll be saving almost $200. Any opinions?",7 +" +Did you forget to put in a sarcasm flag?",16 +" + + +Sounds like wishful guessing. + + + + +'So-called' ? What do you mean ? How would you see the peace process? + +So you say palestineans do not negociate because of 'well-founded' predictions ? +How do you know that they are 'well founded' if you do not test them at the +table ? 18 months did not prove anything, but it's always the other side at +fault, right ? + +Why ? I do not know why, but if, let's say, the Palestineans (some of them) want +ALL ISRAEL, and these are known not to be accepted terms by israelis. + +Or, maybe they (palestinenans) are not yet ready for statehood ? + +Or, maybe there is too much politics within the palestinean leadership, too many +fractions aso ? + +I am not saying that one of these reasons is indeed the real one, but any of +these could make arabs stall the negotiations. + + +I like California oranges. And the feelings may get sharper at the table. + + + +Regards,",17 +" +Sometimes. It depends on your monitor and your timing. If you don't +have enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can +get even/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive +to the HHOLD control. It looks like what you would expect if you +scanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the +upper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube. +With proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock +solid. +",12 +" + +I would like to add my support for a misc.taoism discussion group. +I applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting <79899@cup.portal.com> +""Thyagi@cup.portal.com"" (I read in alt.magick), but I differ +with him/her in believing that at least some minimal parameters +should be agreed upon. + + + +But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into +a big amorphous glob. + +Other questions Thyagi proposes are: + + +It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the +category of ""general metaphysics"". I would prefer any misc.taoism +to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated +with at least ""semi-orthodox"" Taoism: with established classic works +definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about! + +I think ""neo-Taoism"" should be excluded or get its own group (what I +mean by this is ""Humpty-Dumpty Taoism"", in which Taoism means whatever +a poster says it means.) This ""alt.taoism"" could also be a refuge +for debates about what ""Taoism *REALLY* means"" or speculations on sexual +alchemy, etc.. + +e.g. (from Thyagi again): + +Kent gloomily predicts (quoting from Thyagi's article): + + +I think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of +place. What's happening is that that the term ""Taoism"" is becoming +completely polluted and trivialized like the words ""magic"", ""Alchemy"", +""Zen,"" etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they +want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled ""The +Tao of"" this, that, and everything else. (With respect to some exceptions +like the books by Jou, Tsung-Hwa.) + +Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance, +I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may. If +it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the +Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to +these groups just as they do now. + +-- ",19 +"ites: +a +The newer the drive, the less problem you will have. The old ten and fifteen +meg full heights were power hogs, but I have over twenty units that I set up +running flawlessly with half height drives and/or hard cards. + +-- ",3 +"THE DIVINE MASTERS + + Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that + Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of God + into the physical world, God Incarnate. + + But there are some very important related facts that + Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of + most other world religions. + + First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH- + STANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such Divine Master + (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL TIMES, + a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both before and + after the life of Jesus. + + The followers of some of these Masters founded the + world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of + their Master in the process. Christians, for example, added + THREATS of ""ETERNAL DAMNATION"" in Hell, and DELETED the + teaching of REincarnation. + + Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular + Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is + NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively + few people that He INITIATED while He was still PHYSICALLY + alive. (THAT IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD SET THINGS UP IN THE + UNIVERSES.) + + Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and + pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from + their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed + themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly + MANUFACTURED by the Romans. + + And emotional ""feelings"" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING + indicator for religious validity. + + These things are similarly true for followers of most + other major world religions, including Islam. + + Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune + His Initiates into the ""AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"" or ""SOUND + CURRENT"", (referred to as ""THE WORD"" in John 1:1-5, and as + ""The River of Life"" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally + guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they + are still connected to their living physical bodies by a + ""silver cord"". + + True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of + REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved + only by reaching at least the ""SOUL PLANE"", which is five + levels or universes above the physical universe, and this + canNOT be done without the help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine + Master. + + One such Divine Master alive today is an American, Sri + Harold Klemp, the Living ""Eck"" Master or ""Mahanta"" for the + ""Eckankar"" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, + (P.O. Box 27300; zip 55427). + + Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji, now + living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the ""Sant + Mat"" organization. + + One of the classic books on this subject is ""THE PATH OF + THE MASTERS"" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA + 90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian + and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India + studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of + that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. + + Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored + by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in + most public and university libraries and some book stores, or + obtained thru inter-library loan. The book ""ECKANKAR--THE + KEY TO SECRET WORLDS"", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER + classic. + + Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with + the ""Anti-Christ"", which is or was to be a temporary world + dictator during the so-called ""last days"". But the Masters + don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as + Jesus was. + + People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or + other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD Master, will + CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the + Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they + finally accept Initiation from a PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine + Master. + + + + RE-INCARNATION + + The book ""HERE AND HEREAFTER"", by Ruth Montgomery, + describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation + as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past + lives [about 50% accurate; the subconscious mind sometimes + makes things up, especially with a bad hypnotist], + SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some of + whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, + homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi- + ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel- + ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read- + ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS + FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the + Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How + can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED + BEFORE?!). [ ALWAYS use the ""KING JAMES VERSION"". Later + versions are PER-VERSIONS! ] + + Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., + typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES. For example, + a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually + results from having DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. + And sometimes a person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to + another person being met for the first time in THIS life, + because of a bad encounter with him during a PREVIOUS + INCARNATION. + + The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF + KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.). People would + behave much better toward each other if they knew that their + actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the + future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! + + + + ""2nd COMINGS"" + + If a Divine Master physically dies (""translates"") + before a particular Initiate of His does, then when that + Initiate physically dies (""translates""), the Master will meet + him on the Astral level and take him directly to the Soul + Plane. This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 2nd + Coming. It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something that + happens for everyone all at once. People who are still + waiting for Jesus' ""2nd Coming"" are WAITING IN VAIN. + + + + PLANES OF EXISTENCE + + The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN + major levels of existence. Above the Physical Plane is the + Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric + Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), + the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The + Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from + the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including) the + Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. + + It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological + influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See + the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without + an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between + the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. + + The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For example, a + sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called ""Hades"", and the + Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there + LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some + kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a + THREATENING manner. The Christian ""Heaven"" is located + elsewhere on the Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there + for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. + + + + SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH + + The Christian religion demands of its followers an + extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more + than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). + + If a person is not HEARING some form of the ""SOUND + CURRENT"" (""THE WORD"", ""THE BANI"", ""THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM""), + then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL + CONTINUE. + + The ""SOUND CURRENT"" manifests differently for different + Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on + the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a + flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds. In Eckankar, + Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as + a Member. This and other experiences (such as ""SOUL TRAVEL"") + REPLACE blind faith. + + + + For more information, answers to your questions, etc., + please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2 addresses). + + + + UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this + IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. +",19 +" + + + + + +It still applies, except the astronomy these days is Very Long Baseline +Radio Astronomy coupled to GPS and Satellite Laser Ranging. The data +from NASA's and the Naval Observatory's (among others) is a vital +source of data for studies into crustal dynamics, Earth rotation, and +purturbations. Every time there is a leap second added to the New Year, +remember the military and science are still co-habiting nicely. The +same VLBI was used to track Gallileo as it passed the Earth, and used +so little fuel that it can afford to observe Ida. + ",14 +"I have recently graduated and am looking to move into a bigger house, +leaving me with a condo to sell... It was originally listed at +59,000, but is now listed at $54,900. The following is a list of +features. + +Master Bedroom 14x11 +Bedroom 11x10 +Living Room 16x13 +Dining Room 10x9 +Kitchen 9x11 w/ extra cabinets +1 Full / Modern Bathroom +Full wtw carpeting /new/ excluding bath, Oil hot water heating +/converting to gas this summer/, central air, condo fee $183/mo +INCLUDING heat; hot water; landscaping; pool; tennis courts. + +In addition: washer, dryer /both in condo/, refrigerator, dishwasher, +2 ceiling fans, all window treatments /I don't understand why I can't +call them curtains.../, and a mantle! + +Large storage room in private basement, plenty of undesignated +parking. + +If you'd like to free me for the bliss of regular homeownership, +please call Kathleen Sullivan at the Rohrer&Sayers Real Estate Agency: +609-546-0004. She'll arrange for a showing off. + +Now for that disclaimer caca: Subject to errors, changes, ommissions, +withdrawls, and sales without notice. + +This posting is not to benefit or at the request of any commercial +agency. I simply want out. Flames can be sent to /dev/null",6 +" +The only folks claiming this are the ATF/FBI who have an interest in +putting the blame on the BD's. Wake up. + + + +Right and proper? How? It was FUBAR from day 1. + +From all independent sources. Yes. + + +It would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been +worse. + + +Sure, it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even +more paranoid. + + +And what makes you think that ""waffle boy"" didn't tell her to take the +wrap. It was job preservation not ""balls"".",16 +" + The word is ""subrogation."" Seems to me, if you're willing to wait +for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the +deductible. However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may +have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large- +fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers. + + Sad, but true. Call it job security for lawyers. + +Later,",8 +" +A Sea Doo is a boat. It turns by changing the angle of the duct behind the +propeller. A waterski bike looks like a motorcycle but has a ski where each +wheel should be. Its handlebars are connected through a familiar looking +steering head to the front ski. It handles like a motorcycle.",8 +"[...] + +I don't claim to be a crypto analyist... there isn't a whole lot of good +literature on the subject, and the best people don't seem to publish +their work :) but I rather doubt the approach such folks use is brute +force (sorry to have implied that in my previous post). The history +of these things is folks find clever ways of limiting the search and +bang from there. + +I guess my real problem with Skipjack is I can not believe NSA would +make publicly available a system they couldn't break if they wanted... +it just isn't in their charter. Remember DES came from IBM, not NSA +and, when first published, was given a useful life of 20 years... I think +we are well past that point now :( + +Remember, based on the size of the NSA budget, they spend a lot more +on the technology of decryption than most computer companies spend on +R&D. I have to imagine their stuff is real interesting... + +A friend who once worked for them (he is dead now) said he always enjoyed +monitoring SAC's (Strategic Air Command) crypto traffic :) and I rather +suspect that stuff is a bit more complex than Skipjack (Or was it the +military got the stuff from the NSA just like we get Skipjack from them ;) +[BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys. And the Walker spy case +shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.] +",11 +" +While I don't read normally read this group, I was looking for Valentine radar +information (sigh, maybe in the FAQ) and came across your posting.. + +I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles) +after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude, +and Celica. + +Check this month's Consumer Reports for previous Probe records. + +My criteria: a ""fun"" car with ABS, airbag, over 130hp, and less than $25K. +I thought about a turbo, but checking with insurance people ruled that out. +The Tri-Star cars (Eclipse/Talon/etc) were out since they don't have an air bag. +Ditto for the Mustang(also no ABS). +The SE-R/NX2000/M20 fell into the pocket-rocket category. A good used car buy. +The MX-6 was almost there but rolled more than I liked. +I didn't like the Prelude dash/instrumentation at all. Too weird for me. +The MR2 has a much smaller non-passenger space than I needed, so out that went. +The Celica was ""ok"" but underpowered when loaded with options (and somewhat +overpriced too) in non-turbo form. +I never considered the 240SX since it didn't have an airbag. I did look at it +for its RWD virtues but that's it. The Corolla never entered my mind. +I should have looked at the Mitsubishi VR4/Dodge Stealth more. +Since my list was exhausted, I bought the Probe. :-) + +The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its +reliability so far. For what it's worth, my comments: + +My dislikes: +Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal. +Headlights have ""stuck"" up a few times (weather?) +air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch) +condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely. +crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical) +parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts +underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical). +assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not +stitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke. +Ford only gives 1 key with the car. C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies! +Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when +I bash my head on the corner. +horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference) +Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car + +My Likes: +engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1 +handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits) +transmission (the 5 speed is a must) +usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere) +Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive) +stability at 100+mph (high gearing though) +low cowl (good visibility in front) +Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather) +ABS/Air bag (see above) +rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important) +No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!) +Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-) + +As you can see, I'm primarily interested in the engine. While it doesn't +have the uummmph of a big-liter car or the turbo rush, the big selling +point for me was the all-aluminum 24 value 2.5 liter engine. + +The overall car is a good buy for the money. That market segment hasn't changed +much since July (Prelude VTEC, Honda Del Sol??). I drive it to and from work +each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the +Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes. When you test drive one, find a +potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable. +If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They'll find +that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides +differently (if that's ""better"" is up to you). Also, there's a lot of glass +around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty +hot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about +the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with +the heat. I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine. +Leather and the keyless entry system weren't available when I got the car so +I can't comment on them (I got the car before it was officially announced). +I prefer cloth to leather anyway. + +I wouldn't want this car in the snow: The suspension is too rough for the +inevitable surprise potholes, tires aren't meant for snow, and the seats assume +that you're not wearing lots of thick clothing. Rain is much better: water +generally beads off the windshield at freeway speed, the windshield wiper +controls are easy and understandable, and I barely hydroplaned once with the +Eagles (and I was really trying). +There is also a definite lack of cup holder/small storage places. The GT +has map holders below the speakers in the door, but they're rigid plastic +that could fit two cassettes or CD's max. The center console/storage bin/arm +rest has *1* cup holder and the back of the front seats have a cloth ""pouch"" +but that's it. No change holders. Quite a let-down from the SHO. +And the Probe is definitely not a people-mover car or an econo-box car! + +Lastly, don't store wet car covers in the back. The foam will soak the +water up and the result will *not* smell pleasant :-(. + +Nathan +nathan@sco.com + + +",7 +"Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB, +I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been +trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since +my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.] +He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number +but I can find out.) + +Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get +one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both +at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup - +never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction +sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS +correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the +master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't +know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers +properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave). + +The only thing I can think of is maybe I'm doing the cabling wrong. I've +tried several combinations: + +controller - master - slave +controller - slave - master +master - controller - slave + +None of them worked. Unfortunately, I can't think of any others. + +Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into +two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for ""C: drive"" and ""D: +drive"" setup info rather than ""drive 1"" and ""drive 2"" like most others +I've seen. Could this be confusing things? + +So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some +info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper +about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one +of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so +it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost! + +Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have +two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! +-- ",3 +,17 +"