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“But the Living Ethics is significantly different from Blavatsky's theosophy in its main focus and range of issues being developed.


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The view that the Living Ethics is a doctrinal version of Blavatsky's theosophy is marginal.


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Or it is an unsuccessful translation from English.


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The discussion of this particular issue took place here.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 07:10, January 24, 2012


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I suggest returning to more specific issues, such as the need for information about Mahatma Moria in the preamble, after the mediators resolve the main fundamental issue raised in my request.


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Come back again with the same arguments?


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Or are there well-paraphrased old ones?


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—Van Helsing 09:04, January 25, 2012


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Do not dilute the main discussion with additional issues, but return to them in a concentrated manner later, after the mediators make the main fundamental decision on the primary definition


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(definitions)


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Live Ethics.


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The main problem in Vajrapani's position is that the main elements of the current definition of the Living Ethics are confirmed by the AI.


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Nobody argues with this - part of the AI confirms them.


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But only part of it.


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The problem is the incompleteness and bias of the selection of these “elements of definition” - another part of the AI speaks of other “elements” or important characteristics of the Living Ethics that are not taken into account in the current definition.


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Moreover, they deal with primary characteristics, such as a pronounced ethical orientation of teaching, or a set of practical recommendations for moral self-improvement, etc.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 06:33, January 26, 2012


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The second problem in Vajrapani's position is that she begins to cite marginal sources in support of her opinion, such as the works of Protodeacon Kuraev, expressing the point of view of the Russian Orthodox Church.


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This clearly shows the main bias of Vajrapani and my other opponents.


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For example, I remember Van Helsing's remark on the Living Ethics SO in response to the question “Where will we find meaningful sources on


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(read against)


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Living Ethics?” Do you know what he said? - “Kuraev, Kuraev,...” —Alexander Ustimenko 05:43, January 27, 2012


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Letters from E.


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AND. The Roerich are an integral part of the Roerichs teachings, which followers use as a guide.


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Here is an indicative instruction to action: “For only when space is saturated with the necessary energies and thoughts and they have penetrated into the consciousness of the majority... So let us understand the effect of cementing space. Constant affirmations and repetitions are precisely the cementing of space, as well as the consciousness of employees. All creativity is embedded in this cementing of space, because this is how the reservoir of thoughts and energies is formed...”


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(E.Roerich, 04.06.1935).


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The “main” and “second” problems probably overcome the participant, but ascribing them to other participants, affirming and repeating is an attempt to impose


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(“cement the mind”)


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other participants.


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We will be vigilant, colleagues.


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Vajrapani 06:28, 27 January 2012


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You did not understand the quote from the letter.


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But this is a small thing.


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But your “warning” is already an insult.


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I give you a warning and ask you to refrain from such methods of discussion in the future.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 06:50, January 27, 2012


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The quote from the letter is not a trifle, uv.


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Alexander, it is eloquent and understandable to anyone, even those who are not “initiated” into Roerich esotericism, especially here: “Constant statements and repetitions are precisely the cementing of space, as well as consciousness employees” is relevant in your case of repeating/attributing the “problem in position” to other participants.


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The warning is inappropriate here, as there have been no insults against anyone, including yours.


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This is the method of discussion that I was talking about.


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Please draw conclusions.


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Goodwill, following the principle of “do no harm” in the discussion is useful and even necessary.


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Perhaps you didn't consider yourself a colleague?


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Okay, then the warning does not apply to you, you may not be vigilant when writing “your analyzes” of some “problems” and sources.


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Vajrapani 11:14, 27 January 2012


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Vajrapani, I kindly ask you not to tear quotes from the same dissertation from each other.


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I only supplement the quotes you have chosen with the valuable thoughts you missed from the same sources.


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There is no need to move them to another section, especially without indicating the source of quotes.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 16:05, January 26, 2012


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Vajrapani 16:25, 26 January 2012


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Review and add.


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quotes from Vajrapani sources


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1. Filippov, Yuri Viktorovich “Traditions and innovations in new religious movements: On the example of groups represented in St. Moscow” — Ph.D. thesis on history


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Additional quotes from the dissertation: “The question of the very religiosity of the movements we are studying has not been resolved unequivocally either, since it is associated with a more complex problem - the definition of religion in general... As a first step towards terminological ordering, we would suggest in relation to all groups and movements that are designated by any of the above or other synonymous with them terms, use the collective descriptive term new forms of spiritual and religious life in Russia, which implies the following: a) the individual phenomena included in it and their manifestations in society are not are subject to ethical assessment before their detailed scientific study; b) the definition of “new” means that in their current form these phenomena have begun to spread widely in Russian society in the post-socialist era, that is, not earlier than the late 1980s, regardless of what time the origin of the ideas underlying them belongs to, or the implementation of these ideas in other forms or in other countries; c) “spirituality” and “Religiosity” means that the activities of members of such groups, at least formally, are based on the desire for the ideal, either in a specific form - a perfect person, or in an abstract form - God.


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At the same time, they are opposed to improving purely intellectual


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(science)


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or aesthetic


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(art, culture in the narrow sense of the word).


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“—Alexander Ustimenko 06:32, January 24, 2012


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This dissertation contains a good phrase: “The question of the very religiosity of the movements we are studying has not been resolved either...”, reflecting the general situation with the inclusion of certain movements as NSD.


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There are serious all-Russian textbooks on religious studies, for example, a textbook edited by Yablokov, in which the Roerich movement is absent in the chapter “New Religious Movements”; but the teaching of the Living Ethics is assigned to a special section called “Non-confessional syncretic religious philosophy”.


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And there are regional textbooks, such as “Matetskaya A.V.


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, Samygin S.I.


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Religious studies


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(short course)


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— Rostov n/D”, in which the followers of the Roerichs teachings are attributed to the new religiosity.


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In this dissertation itself, the Roerich movement is not included in the number of movements studied; and it is mentioned only once - in the review of various classifications of NSD, in the classification of P.I.


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Puchkova.


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I had a natural question: why did Vajrapani give a link to a dissertation that is not directly related to the issue under discussion - and not directly to the work of P.I.


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Puchkov, which gives this classification mentioning Agni Yoga?


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It turned out that P.I.


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Puchkov is an academician of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences and such sources are not very quoted as authoritative on Wikipedia.


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I ask intermediaries to evaluate the eligibility of such “maneuvers” with sources.


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But in this work, P.I.


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Puchkov has another interesting point: in his classification after the subtitle “New Century


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(USA and many other countries)” the first item in the list is “The New Age Actually,” and then everything else, including Agni Yoga. It turns out that there is the “New Century” itself and there is not the “New Century” itself, but something similar to it?


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This point does not directly apply to the preamble, let's take note of it for a discussion on the attribution of the Roerich movement to the New Age.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 06:10, January 26, 2012


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2. Ivanova, Olga Anatolyevna “Specifics of modern esotericism in Russia: cultural and philosophical analysis” — PhD thesis on philosophy


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Additional quotes from the dissertation: “The dissertation research focuses on the philosophical paradigm of esotericism...”


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“Esotericism is a socio-cultural phenomenon in modern society. Its socio-cultural content is manifested in the interdependence of ontological, epistemological, axiological and praxeological aspects, which makes it possible to consider esotericism as one of directions of philosophical thought...”


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“A feature of esoteric culture in modern Russia is the combination of historical traditions of Russian esotericism and the ideological attitudes of the New Age movement.”


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—Alexander Ustimenko 15:32, January 26, 2012


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Special thanks to Vajrapani for this dissertation - I found a lot of valuable material in it.


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And a good job in the piggy bank of our discussion with Melirius about the compatibility of esotericism with science.


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Quotes: “Rationalism of the XXI century is based on humanitarian and natural science knowledge, on the realities of a new civilization associated with globalization, which affects all aspects of cultural life man, to the formation of qualitatively new forms of relations between man and society with nature. Having such a broad basis for its formation, rationalism leads to the triumph not so much of the analyzing mind, but of the synthesizing mind, giving a holistic, holistic view of a person's view of the world. An important role in this development of rationalism is played by the formation of new forms of dialogue between science and other forms of human exploration of the world, in particular, with esotericism. The relevance of the study of modern esotericism is determined by the specifics of the relationship between esoteric and scientific views in the new worldview paradigm as a single system of consistent ideas. “and one more thing: “Specialists in ethnography, philology, political science, theology, cultural studies, psychology and sociology, etc. are engaged in the study of esotericism. a comprehensive study of esotericism, esoteric culture and its functioning in socio-cultural reality.” and more: “The modern socio-cultural situation is characterized by a dialogue between esoteric forms comprehension of being and philosophical-rational, scientific understanding of the world.” and much more on the same topic.


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Once again, all attempts to bring esotericism and science together are marginal.


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This is clearly and unequivocally stated by science, namely, the sociology of science.


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All philosophical views about any “dialogues” are nonsense, very characteristic of irrationalist philosophers.


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The same Stepin, whom you like to remember so much, formulated it correctly: science, developing according to its own laws and rules, has come to a paradigm that in some aspects resembles some of provisions of some philosophical, religious and esoteric teachings.


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But this is not a “dialogue” or “development in the bosom” — it is the result of a coincidence, as in the novel about “Titan”.


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If esoteric views are the source of the scientist's ideas, no problem, but if in his work he uses techniques and methodology characteristic of esotericism to prove the provisions


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(at least the notorious “criteria for the truth of esoteric knowledge”)


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It's not science anymore.


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—Melirius 22:33, January 26, 2012


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I.e.


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Do you reject this source from Vajrapani as decisively as Khachatryan's dissertation?


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—Alexander Ustimenko 05:34, January 27, 2012


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Without reading the text of the abstract, I will not draw a final conclusion, but yes from what you quoted.


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—Melirius 09:00, January 27, 2012


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But returning to the question of the relationship between the Living Ethics and religion, the Living Ethics and the New Age, this source speaks in my favor.


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1. It defines esotericism not as a religion, but as a direction of philosophical thought; 2. Quote: “A feature of esoteric culture in modern Russia is the combination of historical traditions of Russian esotericism and the ideological attitudes of the New Age movement” i.e.


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the author introduces the concept of “Russian esotericism” separate from Western New Age and separates these two concepts and trends from each other, talking only about a certain combination of them in modern Russia


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(including part of the modern Roerich movement, which is very similar to Simanzhenkova's dissertation); 3. The quote given by Vajrapani - and taking into account the quotes I added there - does not talk about the religiosity of the Living Ethics, since it refers to the author, together with the rest of the esoteric teachings, to the direction of philosophical thought.


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But the “esoteric teachings of our time”, united in the Western “New Age”, sin in attempts to “create a universal religion.”


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In the “esoteric culture of modern Russia”, these two directions of esotericism are combined, but do not merge into an indistinguishable whole.


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As for the Living Ethics and the cultural and educational majority of its followers, they certainly do their best to distance themselves from the New Age.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 15:55, January 26, 2012


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1. Where is it?


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I don't see point-blank.


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—Melirius 22:39, January 26, 2012


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What exactly does your question relate to?


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Ghkm, to paragraph 1: “It defines esotericism not as a religion, but as a direction of philosophical thought.”


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—Melirius 09:00, January 27, 2012


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Uh, and quotes at the beginning of this discussion


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Did you read the source?


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—Alexander Ustimenko 15:48, January 27, 2012


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I read it, and even carefully: it does not say a word about the fact that “esotericism is not a religion, but a direction of philosophical thought.”


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Point your finger.


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—Melirius 16:45, January 27, 2012


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Uh, got it, I apologize.


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It really does not say “esotericism is not a religion” - it says “allows us to consider esotericism as one of the directions of philosophical thought.”


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—Alexander Ustimenko 17:27, January 27, 2012


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CA.


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—Melirius 17:31, January 27, 2012


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3. Dobrovolskaya, Tatyana Vyacheslavovna “The World: Natural Science and Humanities Models” — Ph.D. thesis in philosophy.


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The dissertation does not raise any questions for me.


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However, it is devoted to a completely different issue, and E.


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AND.


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Roerich as an esoteric thinker is mentioned in it only in passing, in the list of sources used.


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Therefore, the weight of this source for the main definition in the article “Living Ethics” is extremely small.


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But it's good for statistical extras.


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In this dissertation, I found interesting thoughts on another issue - from the Criticism section of the article on the Living Ethics.


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Quote: “The study notes that in general, there are three main types of models of the World: natural science, humanities and non-scientific, in each of which the World is understood differently... In general, non-scientific models of the World can be represented by two generalized models: esoteric and religious... At the same time, religious models of the World can be considered as isomorphic to humanitarian types of models, and esoteric, claiming to be synthetic, can be correlated with both humanitarian and natural science models.” There are two important thoughts for our purposes: 1. the author breeds the concepts of “esotericism” and “religion” - in principle this is understandable, but just in case, to emphasize once again: esotericism is not a religion; 2. the author speaks about the correlation of the esoteric model of the World with humanitarian and natural science models of the World - while the section “Criticism” speaks of some contradiction of the esoteric picture of the world scientific picture of the world.


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They are simply different, but not contradictory - this is what the author of the dissertation says.


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4. Kurnosov, Yuri Vasilyevich “Esotericism as a cultural and historical phenomenon” is a doctoral dissertation on philosophy.


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It is a very interesting source, a deep and balanced analysis.


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He understands esotericism very broadly.


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He distinguishes between positive and negative sides in esotericism.


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On the positive aspects, he says: “Esoteric ideas and doctrines, when included in the cultural sphere, can contribute to the interaction of different cultures, their dialogue, and the increase in the importance of the role of people with high spiritual and cultural potential in the socio-political life of the country.” I wrote two pages of quotes from this dissertation - but even they will not give enough depth of understanding of the author's ideas.


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Therefore, I recommend, especially you, Melirius, to read his abstract “in the original”.


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For the “start”, I will give only three quotes on our topic:


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Further study of the problem of esotericism as a whole made it possible to put forward the following hypothesis that esoteric phenomena as theory and practice at various historical stages become inherent not only religion, but also other forms of public consciousness - philosophy, politics and art.


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Thus, esotericism began to be considered by the author as a specific area of the entire structure of public consciousness...


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The place of esotericism in the history of spiritual and political culture is very definite.


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It has had a significant


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(including a positive one)


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influence on mythology, religion, philosophy, art, science, on all aspects of human life.


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Despite the fact that although scientific knowledge gives a lot to humanity, it must necessarily be supplemented by various spheres and phenomena of culture with which science interacts and resonates.


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Human existence is created only in the completeness and heterogeneity of the entire cultural life.


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It is obvious that a reconciliation is required between the modern thirst for scientific analysis and the increasing degree of synthetics and uniformity of the knowledge accumulated by mankind.


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The only drawback is that the author is periodically “brought” into geopolitics...


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Vajrapani, You are just a storehouse of the most valuable sources!


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This is the second time I am happy and sincere to say thank you!


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—Alexander Ustimenko 17:27, January 27, 2012


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Thank you, it was a great pleasure to read it.


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Especially this: “The author believes that any knowledge other than scientific knowledge can only claim to increase the amount of our knowledge about the phenomena and fragments of reality. The full fruitfulness or negative significance of esoteric knowledge is revealed only in the context of scientific knowledge. It should also be borne in mind that, unlike the archaic forms of esotericism of the past, its modern forms are sometimes built on direct deception and illusion.” —Melirius 18:12, January 27, 2012


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Yes, I agree.


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And this, together with the quotes I have given above, indicates the author's balanced approach to the issue of esotericism.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 08:13, January 28, 2012


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5. Panychik, Alexander Vladimirovich “Social and Philosophical Analysis of Esotericism” — PhD thesis in philosophy


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Vajrapani's involvement of this source is not entirely clear - well, modern occultists call the Roerichs' teachings esoteric, so what?


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Are “modern occultists” an authority for Wikipedia?


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But I found some interesting thoughts on esotericism in this dissertation.


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Quoting:


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In the public consciousness and the scientific environment, the idea of the need to establish a dialogue with non-scientific forms of culture aimed at eliminating the spiritual imbalance caused by expansion is breaking through scientism.


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At the same time, a significant part of scientists tend to perceive the current situation as a kind of historical challenge to science from esotericism.


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Esotericism is an integral component of the culture of traditional and modern society and plays a positive role in it, primarily performing a stabilizing function, in contrast to pseudo - esotericism, whose role in society may be negative.


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There are at least four main interpretations of esotericism: philosophical and scientific, religious-critical, traditionalist and occult, between which it is currently unfolding symbolic struggle.


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As for the philosophical and scientific direction, some of its representatives, who believe that esotericism is advancing on science, call for a “crusade” against esotericism, thereby closing with supporters of a religious-critical approach; the other part seeks to comprehend this phenomenon with the help of modern scientific methods; the rest are driven by pragmatic interests, which can in some cases


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(the rapid development of pseudo-esoteric teachings, for example, eniological concepts, dianetics, etc.)


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pose a danger both to them and to society.


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Two trends in the study of esotericism in modern philosophy and science should be especially noted.


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The first is to narrow the boundaries of the phenomenon, reduce it to esoteric teaching or to the type of rationality, leaving without consideration the activities of esoteric organizations.


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The second trend is the unjustified expansion of esotericism, the inclusion of mysticism, Satanism, witchcraft, etc.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 16:41, January 30, 2012


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Alexander, this is yours: “Vajrapani's involvement of this source is not entirely clear — well, modern occultists call the Roerichs' teachings esoteric, so what? Are “modern occultists” an authority for Wikipedia?” - why would you?


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Do you like the discussion in such an unconstructive way?


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Still, it is not difficult to see that it is the author who is the Roerichs' teaching esoteric


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(in this context, a quote was given), and says about modern Russian occultists that they do not hide the fact that “there is a certain program of action” behind esoteric teachings.


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Maybe you have already changed your mind and now again object to the “belonging of the Living Ethics to the esoteric tradition”?


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If you do not agree that ZhE in everyday life and dissertations is generally called esoteric teaching and is synonymous with esotericism, then say so.


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If your “consensus” proposal dated 08:25, January 28, 2012 is <b data-parsoid='{"dsr":[167672,167679,3,3]}'>about</b> most of the sources, then write it like this.


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Just do not call your proposals a neutralization of the preamble.


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Vajrapani 10:25, 31 January 2012


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I see it as a way out of dead loops to fix a participant in such precedents on the SO, the closure of such discussions, and with new attempts to start - to refer to CO.


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—Van Helsing 10:38, January 31, 2012


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I can give you a bunch of dissertations in which the Living Ethics is generally called philosophical teaching - as in passing, as in the dissertations you are citing.


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There are more than a hundred dissertations that mention the Living Ethics - let me emphasize, it is mentioned, and is not the main subject of research.


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Just like in the sources discussed above.


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And you did not respond to my proposal for consensus.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 16:08, January 31, 2012


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The discussion is unequivocally about Alexander Ustimenko's phrase “Vajrapani's involvement of this source is not entirely clear — well, modern occultists call the Roerichs' teachings esoteric, so what? Are “modern occultists” an authority for Wikipedia?” to a source from which such allegations do not emerge.


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After pointing out this, for trying to change the topic to “I can give you a bunch of dissertations in which the Living Ethics is called philosophical teaching”, I consider it possible to ask intermediaries to do remark to Alexander Ustimenko on his SO, you can't talk in this format here.


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—Van Helsing 17:57, January 31, 2012


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I agree with Van Helsing's comment.


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And one more thing.


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If there are more than a hundred dissertations that mention the Living Ethics as an occult or esoteric teaching, then this can be called a generally accepted fact that is important to reflect in the preamble.


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Panychek is a socio-philosophical analysis of esotericism, where the Roerich teaching of ZhE is defined as esoteric or occult and is considered as such in a wide range of other teachings or schools, which we should have been shown.


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Versteen oder niht fersteen?


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If you bring the heels of reputable


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(not affiliated!)


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sources where the GE is approved and considered as a purely philosophical doctrine, you will not have to wave a bunch, but there will be a chance to consider this issue for the preamble.


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But there are no such AIs, because they currently do not exist and are unlikely to ever be.


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Vajrapani 19:09, 31 January 2012


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Mediation is actually organized for Oleksandr Ustimenko.


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There were long conversations with him whether he understood that the very essence of the JE doctrine is occult, esoteric and religious, and gave examples of karma of otherworldly entities and subtle worlds.


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Sources have been piled up - it will be enough for 3 articles.


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According to my own comment, the behavior of the participant and all the background, I consider further discussion in this direction not leading to anything.


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It makes sense to discuss, for example, how to revise the Teaching section


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(Creed).


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If the participant still has any misunderstanding, let him turn to the mediators with arguments.


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—Van Helsing 19:40, January 31, 2012


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I don't even feel comfortable reminding you that if an author


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(e.g. dissertations)


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sets out someone's views


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(for example, modern occultists)


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- this does not mean that the author himself agrees with these views.


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It is not clear from Panychek's dissertation that he himself classifies the Living Ethics as esotericism.


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In his dissertation, there is simply no classification of esoteric teachings - there is a simple list of those teachings and authors who include four alternative groups of researchers as esotericism: philosophical, religious, traditionalists and occultists.


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So, from the quotes given by Vajrapani, it can be seen that the Living Ethics is referred to as esotericism by representatives of religion and occultism; but it is not clear that representatives of the scientific and philosophical direction consider it esotericism studies of esotericism - namely, the scientific and philosophical classification are of interest to us first of all, and in all other queues too.


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But you're trying to take the discussion away from the point.


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More than a hundred dissertations mention the philosophical, rather than esoteric, component of the Living Ethics.


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Of these, more than a dozen are devoted directly to the study of the Living Ethics or any separate aspects of it, i.e.


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are classifying sources, unlike a bunch of dissertations that simply mention Living Ethics in a review of the relevance of the research topic.


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These are the classifying dissertations I cited in the discussion above, and in the links to the SO of the Living Ethics presented above.


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And I don't see any point in messing with more than a hundred indirect sources.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 07:40, February 1, 2012


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Vajrapani, from that review of the additional sources you have given - the part that I have read and analyzed - it follows that you insist that the Living Ethics belong to the esoteric traditions.


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Personally, I don't mind this much.


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But why bother with all this little things, there is a solid work, the encyclopedia “Esotericism”, ed.


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A.A.


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Gritsanova.


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Large and detailed articles are devoted to both the Living Ethics and the Roerichs.


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Let's talk to the mediators, and if they agree to consider this source as authoritative, then we'll do two interrelated things.


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1. Let us introduce an esoteric component into the definition of the Living Ethics, for example: “The Living Ethics, or Agni Yoga, is an esoteric philosophical and ethical doctrine that develops syncretic religious and philosophical views in line with the theosophical tradition of the synthesis of philosophy, science, religion, cultures of East and West, as well as containing practical instructions on the spiritual and moral improvement of a person”; 2. I'll be looking closely at Wikipedia's article “Esotericism”


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(if there is one, if not, we will create it)


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and I will add and correct it on the basis of Gritsanov's encyclopedia and Kurnosov's dissertation, which I and Melirius liked.


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Consensus?


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—Alexander Ustimenko 08:25, January 28, 2012


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To the end of the definitive “occult”


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The Living Ethics is included in the occult-theosophical tradition, as far as I understand, only one AI


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(NFE, ed. Stepin).


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Moreover, this is done “in the background”, after defining it as a “spiritual and moral doctrine”.


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In addition, further explanations in the dictionary actually nullify this reckoning, as it is said that the Living Ethics puts forward a kind of “ethical occultism” in place of traditional occultism.


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Thus, the weight of the occult characteristic of the teachings of the Living Ethics in the total volume of characteristics from AI is vanishingly small.


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And if the characteristic is “occult” and should be left in the preamble of the article, then 1. not in the main definition; and 2. with appropriate explanations about “ethical occultism”.


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This is where I came across examples of occultism by researchers


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(as I understand it - by theologians)


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on a par with Satanism and witchcraft.


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Thus, the term “occult” in the modern sense has a pronounced negative meaning - and therefore, according to the rule of neutrality of presentation, cannot be used in determining the teaching of the Living Ethics .


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It is quite possible to replace it with a more modern synonym “esoteric” that does not carry a pronounced negative meaning.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 06:52, January 22, 2012


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For reference


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Yablokov's textbook defines occultism as a mystical and philosophical doctrine.


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Here's a fuller quote: “Occultism


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(lat. occultus - secret)


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there is a mystical and philosophical doctrine about the existence of a higher reality hidden behind material processes and phenomena.


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He sets the task of penetrating into the mysteries of the universe and identifying the higher forces and abilities dormant in a person, and also develops methods of influencing the “hidden”, “secret”.


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The term “occult” became widespread after the publication of the treatise “Occult Philosophy”, written by Agrippa Nettesheim


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(1486 - 1,535).


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Occultism permeates the complex of so-called hermetic sciences


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(named after the legendary founder Hermes Trismegist), which include magic, Kabbalism, astrology, alchemy, phrenology and various types of mantle.


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“I.e.


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it's still a kind of philosophy, not a religion.


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In the encyclopedia “Esotericism”, ed.


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Gritsanov, the article “Esotericism” says the following: “The word “esotericism” finally took root after the Second World War as a term that replaced two similar and, in general, synonymous terms, meaning which had changed by that time: hermetic and occult.”


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Thus, it is competent to use the term “esotericism” instead of “occultism” - since the former is a more modern analogue of the second and, importantly, the term “occultism” has lost in the mass understanding its initially philosophical and neutral significance, and today it has a clearly negative connotation.


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Some authors


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(especially those who gravitate towards Orthodoxy)


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put it on a par with Satanism.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 15:44, January 20, 2012


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About spirituality and religiosity


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Sooner or later we will have to sum up the results here.


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So I see that the discussion is going in the wrong direction.


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Spirituality is not a more general concept to religion, but rather a more specific, or even more precise, overlapping concept.


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In this case, we mean spirituality in the meaning of en:spirituality, de:spiritualität.


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The spiritual can be opposed to the religious, or it can be part of it.


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When these concepts are opposed, it is understood that the spiritual is individual, associated with private, often mystical, experience, addressed to the transcendental world, irrational, esoteric , numinous.


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In Christianity, it is also about the search for spiritual revelation, a connection with St.


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spirit.


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Religious, on the other hand, refers to the church world, to tradition, clergy, community, religious metaphysics, dogmas, confession, cult.


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At the same time, the spiritual can also be understood as part of the religious, when it comes to spiritual experience within the framework of religion.


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E.g.


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teachings and practices of St.


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Teresa of Avila or St.


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John of the Cross.


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These are teachings within the framework of religion, but primarily spiritual.


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Especially often, the term “spiritual teaching” is applied to all kinds of new searches for spirituality, esotericism, etc. This is an additional shade of the term spiritual.


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What is said here above about spirituality in the sense of a certain general cultural, general humanitarian context, as the activity of the human spirit, mind in general, is clearly completely different from our context .


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This is another meaning of spirituality.


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This opposition of the spiritual in the meaning of “the activity of the human spirit, mind” and specifically religious significance in German is reflected in the concepts of geistlich, geistig and spiritual.


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There is no such distinction in English and Russian.


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Russian spirituality, spiritual, can mean all available meanings.


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In our case, the word spiritual, if applicable, is in the first sense, that is, individual, non-confessional, addressed to the transcendental world, irrational, esoteric.


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At the same time, as far as I understand, the mystical among the Roerichs is not developed, they clearly opposed themselves to mysticism, replacing mysticism with an orientation towards moral improvement.


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Hence the adjective is spiritual and moral, that is, the opposition to the spiritual-mystical.


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At least that's how I understand this definition.


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To sum up, the mediators and I will have to analyze the AI for prevalence and consistency of definitions.


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However, in any case, before making a decision, you must correctly understand the meaning of each of the terms used in order to choose meaningfully, not formally.


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—Abiyoyo 21:31, January 19, 2012


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Thank you for the clear and easy to understand analysis!


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Indeed, I now see that the discussion has gone in the wrong direction.


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The essence of my proposal was to give the most generalized definition


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(if at all possible), as neutral as possible and taking into account different points of view on the Living Ethics from the main AI - religious, philosophical, and cultural studies.


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Do you think that the definitive “spiritual teaching” - in the sense of synthesizing different forms of spiritual culture - is not suitable for this purpose?


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But I proceeded from the diversity of definitions of the Living Ethics in various AI, which actually cover all the main forms of spiritual culture.


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And in a number of AI, there is a comprehensive list of the components of the Living Ethics, for example, in Simanzhenkova's dissertation, a quote: “The complexity and versatility of the Roerichs teachings, including cultural, ethical, religious and philosophical components...” - which makes it impossible to reduce the definition of the Living Ethics to only one religious philosophy.


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How do you see a way out of this situation?


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—Alexander Ustimenko 09:07, January 20, 2012


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Dear Abiyoyo, based on the results of the discussions, I see the following options for overcoming this situation:


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If you go along the path of finding one generalizing definition - and if you still think that the definitive “spiritual” is not suitable for these purposes - then the most general and neutral term will be “teaching” without any additional definitions.


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And then the first sentence of the preamble could look like this: “The Living Ethics, or Agni Yoga - published in the 20-30s of the last century by E.


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AND.


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and N.K.


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The Roerichs interpreting the doctrine


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(variant: developmental; other option: synthesizing)


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a wide range of issues from various spheres of spiritual culture: ethical, religious, philosophical, scientific, social, aesthetic, pedagogical, as well as containing practical instructions on spiritual- moral improvement of a person”.


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If we try to take as a basis one particular definition - but the most general particular definition available in AI, which suits all opponents as much as possible - then I suggest based on a textbook Yablokov and give a definition as follows: “The Living Ethics, or Agni Yoga, is a philosophical and ethical doctrine that develops syncretic religious and philosophical views in line with the theosophical tradition of synthesis philosophy, science, religion, cultures of East and West, as well as containing practical instructions for the spiritual and moral improvement of a person”


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(Many AIs speak about the pronounced practical orientation of the Living Ethics, so I will insist on the last part of the proposal).


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If you refuse to search for one definition that suits all parties, then it remains only to give three or four particular definitions that are most used in the AI.


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I gave my version of three complementary particular definitions to the VU.


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I ask the mediators to comment on which of the three proposed options for the consensus search strategy they consider the most optimal.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 05:20, January 24, 2012


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A huge request to the mediators, before summing up the result, indicate on what sources it is based, which sources are taken into account, which have been discarded.


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Please also note that I have notified several times that Q Valda and I have previously presented a huge array of sources and arguments, which should also be taken into account in the end.


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—Van Helsing 18:14, January 31, 2012


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Please provide a link


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(links)


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to this “vast array of sources”.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 07:46, February 1, 2012


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Excuse me, haven't you been in the discussions for the past six months?


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I can see your signatures in almost all sections.


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—Van Helsing 08:10, February 1, 2012


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I.e.


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Do you suggest that mediators look for this “array” on their own in the discussions over the past six months?


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—Alexander Ustimenko 15:00, February 1, 2012


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Participant discussion: Alexander Ustimenko #О excessive quotes and analyzes.


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—Van Helsing 16:53, February 1, 2012


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About dissertations


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Unfortunately, I found that I had lost the link to the page of one of the Roerich organizations presenting the list of dissertations.


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Offhand, there are several such lists, smaller and larger:


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etc.


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In one of the first visits to the preamble, Alexander Ustimenko, when showing 1-in-1 dissertations, duplicated their sequence, as they are presented from a lost link.


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If the participant reminds her, it will be very good.


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—Van Helsing 18:14, January 31, 2012


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When searching for dissertations, I used many sources, and now I don't remember what episode you mean.


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Morihei Comment


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Much has been said on this page, and I will try to briefly strengthen some aspects.


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Before summing up the results for this nomination, it will be good to recall the content of the doctrine in the form of its “main provisions” described from authoritative independent sources, plus look at the life of the Roerichs themselves and their activities combined with this teaching.


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Assessment of the body of learning will make it possible to place emphasis in the preamble


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(when writing a project, the introduction is written last).


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The participant in this nomination incorrectly formulated the principle of writing a preamble, since it is proposed to distinguish individual phrases from sources about the sabge from the context.


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An example has already been mentioned here that the participant highlights “spiritual and moral teaching”, although it is about “spiritual and moral teaching within the framework of the occult-theosophical tradition of knowledge and esoteric wisdom East”.


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The difference is fundamental and needs to be taken into account.


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It can be seen from the review that ethics is only part of the Agni Yogi doctrine.


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Therefore, in my opinion, it is incorrect to focus on the ethical part of the doctrine from the very first words of the definition.


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After all, any yoga


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(and religion)


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contains instructions on lifestyle and morality.


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This page has already sufficiently shown the correctness of the current definition of the GE, but it does not describe the reason for the double name of the exercise.


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Therefore, a possible consensus solution: add an explanation to the existing definition at a second pace


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(from the same Yablokov), why the teaching is called both Agni Yoga and the Living Ethics — thus an essential explanation will be given.


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If desired, the main definition can be summarized by the quoted term “ethical occultism” from the NFE.


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As an example: “Living Etica, or Agni Yoga, is a syncretic [1] [2] religious and philosophical [1] [3] teaching [4] that unites the Western occult-theosophical tradition [5] and the esotericism of the East [5] [6] [7].


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The purpose of the teaching is to reveal the psychic abilities of a person through mastering the cosmic energy of Agni, so the teaching is called Agni Yoga, or Cosmic Fire Yoga [8].


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The second name, Living Ethics, is explained by the prescription in the teaching of special rules of life and activity, [9] leading to the development of spirituality through moral asceticism


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(“ethical occultism”) [10]”


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Plus a source from NSD


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(the author uses the term LDC)


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and on religious philosophy from Shambhala: “The leitmotif of the sermon of the classroom/client cult is a call for the spiritual development of the individual, while spirituality is understood by each cult in its own way: theosophy and Roerichianism see a source of spiritual and moral renewal


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(revival)


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a person in the spiritual “knowledge” emanating from the sages of mythical Shambhala <... > However, many modern communities, having survived the death of the founder, function productively in the market of religious services.


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This is also dianetics


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(Scientology), and Theosophy, and Roerichianism and Transcendental Meditation, and a number of other LDCs [non - traditional religious community] of cultist nature.


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<... > The structural amorphous nature of classroom cults ensures anonymous membership.


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Typical examples of such cults are the fascination with astrology, ufology, Kabbalah as interpreted by M. Laitman, Theosophy of E.


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P.


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Blavatsky, religious and philosophical heritage of E.


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AND.


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Roerich...”


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(YU. A. Yakovleva//, 2011, No. 2)


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It is interesting and significant how the followers of ZhE “transform” the terms esoterics/mystic/occultism into superscientific/metascientific.


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See page 8 of the Head of the Section for Problems of Space Thinking and Living Ethics of the Moscow Space Club L. M. Gindilis


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(from the ICR)


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at the “Pedagogical Seminar “Space Thinking in Education”, held at the Palace of Children and Youth Creativity on January 12, 2012.


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Explanation needed: “E. I.” is Elena Ivanovna Roerich, who reported in her letters about the obsolescence of the terms esoterics/mystic/occultism, which replace followers with superscientific/metascientific.


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I am not sure that in the EP we will have to take into account such attitudes and conditions, although they are trying to introduce Gindilis as an authoritative source.


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What do intermediaries think?


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Morihėi 06:14, 6 February 2012


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Well, this is a VP:PSNY comment, if the participant made it without discussion, I think there would be only one participant objections.


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—Van Helsing 08:12, February 6, 2012


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In the scientific work, you are right, some authors write the introduction as a brief informative “extract” from the main text.


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But on Wikipedia, this practice is called “oriss” and the preamble, like the entire article, is recommended to be written from authoritative sources, and not according to the semantic preferences of the article's editors.


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In addition, the main part of the preamble is the definition of the subject of the article, which is taken from the AI, and is not constructed on the basis of the entire article.


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“the principle of writing a preamble, since it is proposed to distinguish from context individual phrases from sources about the sabge” - this one-to-one principle, as you said, is applied when writing an existing now in the preamble to the doctrine definition.


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So you hastened to recognize the “correctness” of this definition.


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Of course, it is difficult to combine the entire range of interpretations of AI in one generalized definition - but this can be done either in the second, third, etc.


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explaining the sentences of the preamble, or, as I suggest, give three or four basic definitions from AI in their “full” sound.


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Do you consider the “Agni Yoga doctrine” as a simple sum of more or less autonomous parts?


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The ethical part, the religious part, the philosophical part,...?


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In principle, this is not the right approach - ethics permeates all parts of the teaching of the Living Ethics.


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Secondly, there is practically no AI that does not emphasize the ethical characteristics of the doctrine.


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Thirdly, there are AI that analyze in detail the main provisions of the doctrine, for example, Simanzhenkova's dissertation, in which the ethical component is called the defining characteristic of the Living Ethics, quote:” The peculiarity of this doctrine is its pronounced ethical and practical orientation.”


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In my opinion, the “correctness of the current definition of the ZhE” has not yet been shown by anyone.


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My arguments on the essence of the incorrectness of this definition - its bias and not neutrality - are being bypassed by putting forward some secondary


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(not the subject of my criticism)


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arguments to which I have given reasoned objections on this page.


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Your explanation of the term “occult” does not suit me.


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Firstly, in the main definition, the negatively loaded term “occult-” remains - the explanation “ethical occultism” is out of touch with it in meaning, and a direct internal reference leads to the article” Occultism”.


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But thanks for finding a compromise anyway.


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It would be possible to do this at this point - if the mediators still decide to leave the term “occult” in the preamble, then give it an internal reference not to the article “Occultism”, but to a small subsection in the article “Living Ethics”, where, based on AI, and explain in a little more detail what is meant by this definitive in the context of the Living Ethics.


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By the way, it would also be possible to note there about the attitude of the doctrine itself to this term


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(as outdated and not adequately reflecting its original meaning).


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I will take a closer look at the additional source you have given.


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But the terminology already used in it is “Roerichianism”, “cultist nature”


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(from the word “culture”?) , and the non-traditional “non-traditional religious community” itself - betrays not scientific, but theological and even theological and sectorial character in it.


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It can hardly be accepted as a serious AI.


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Your thoughts on the last point are interesting, but have nothing to do with the preamble.


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Until I delved into them.


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—Alexander Ustimenko 06:21, February 7, 2012


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“the preamble, like the entire article, is recommended to be written from authoritative sources” — you would trust experienced participants more.


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Why put things in order?


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Look at VP:Preamble, it clearly states the essence.


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“this one-to-one principle, as you said, is applied when writing the definition that currently exists in the preamble” — don't tell me, it takes into account the context of using all terms and harmoniously takes into account all elements.


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And, for example, your proposal to write an “esoteric doctrine” right away was an incorrect use of information from the AI.


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“Do you consider the 'Agni Yoga doctrine' as a simple sum of more or less autonomous parts?” — In fact, Yablokov singles out parts in the teaching.


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“Ethics permeate all parts of the Living Ethics” — does Agni not permeate?


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and the doctrine of hierarchy does not permeate?


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“the term “occult-” remains negatively loaded — there is no negatively loaded term, but quite itself with a certain neutral meaning.


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Numerous AIs have already been cited in this regard.


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Do you suggest using your personal perception for the article?


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“cult nature” — from the word cult


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(as is the word culture).


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“It can hardly be accepted as a serious AI” — there is no reason to think so.


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“have nothing to do with the preamble” — but they are related to the affiliated sources you offer — Gindilis and Co.


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Vajrapáni 07:24, February 7, 2012


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(UTC)


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Information from Simanzhenkova for intermediaries


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Simanzhenkova T. K. The movement of followers of the Roerichs teachings in modern Russia: philosophical origins and trends of evolution/Dissertation for the degree of Candidate of Philosophical Sciences.


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Omsk.


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— Krasnoyarsk: State Educational Institution of Higher Professional Education “Siberian State Technological University”, 2006.


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150 p.


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Simanzhenkov briefly about the teachings of ZhE believes that the Roerichs, who were “directly related” to “theosophy and spiritualism”, studied and actively disseminated the “main occult ideas” of theosophy, as well as, relying on “theoretical postulates of theosophical doctrine” created “on the esoteric tradition” their “religious and philosophical doctrine”, which is characterized by “a pronounced ethical and practical orientation”.


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Quotes from the dissertation:


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“Since the 90s, a number of publications and dissertation studies have appeared, analyzing; their various aspects of the teaching of the Living Ethics, one of the central religious and mystical works of these authors [N. K. Roerich and E. AND. Roerich]”


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(page 5)


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“The mystical experience of E. I. and N. K. The Roerichs and the holistic system of knowledge set out in the teaching “Agni Yoga” served as a kind of basis for spiritual seekers in post-Soviet Russia. They turn to this esoteric tradition and, on its basis, create numerous versions of their neo-religious doctrines, which became widespread at the turn of the 20th and 21st centuries.”


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(p. 26)


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“Theosophists defined their teaching as a syncretic, mystic-religious philosophical system, a “synthesis of science, religion and philosophy”, based on an ancient metaphysical esoteric tradition, striving understand the supernatural by penetrating the hidden mysterious wisdom that involves explaining man and the universe”